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| Leo****
User ID: 89830
7/27/2008 11:09 AM
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i roll my dogs (when they get out of hand, not once a week whether they need it or not), and there is no way that if i was in a fight they would choose to bite me over my opponent.
you may be good at training killer attack dogs(for other people) but if you fear that your dog is going to team up with the other guy to finally put you in your place once and for all, you are doing something wrong. period
after submission with the alpha roll the dog recieves love an affection, when the dog displays calm/submission it gets a good reward,your affection, this isnt bullying the dog it is disiplining him and he comes away from it feeling better than ever.
its obvious you are doing it incorrectly and bullying and pissing off your dog, no wonder youre scared, youre doing it wrong... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 432406
Interesting perspectives, also the one about not trying to do it if the dog is in attack mode which seems obvious to me. Don't know about that part of "kicking his teeth" though, then again I know too little to have anything to say about anything regarding dogs.
However, in this thread we have heard examples of really big and powerful dogs being dominated by little poodles. I find it hard to believe the little poodle could maintain its pack status by "alpha rolling" the big one so I'm open to the idea of finding out also about other options. The small things you can do seems to matter a lot, at feeding time, how you walk and talk to your animal. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 432406
7/27/2008 11:09 AM | | Re: Opinions on teaching "killer doggies" how to behave? | Quote |
pps: the very best way to ensure that your dog will defend you isnt making it an unstable attack dog, it is love and affection.
the more you love your dog the more it will want to protect you.
its the trained attack dogs (who think its fun and rewarding to bite humans) that are dangerous and will turn on you...
i mean sure you can say bite and they bite, but what if your asleep?
ill take a loved pet to protect my sleeping ass any day over that lit stick of dynamite you think you have control over |
| Me
User ID: 394187
7/27/2008 11:11 AM
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I've never tried the Alpha Roll myself but apparently even the authors of the technique changed their stance on it.
[link to www.veterinarypartner.com]
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Oh, stop that alpha rollover! That is making her more and more defensive! Even the people who originally wrote that book and recommended that maneuver changed their position on it some years later, but unfortunately people keep teaching it, and doing it. It is extremely harmful to the relationship between dog and owner in many cases. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 432406
7/27/2008 11:11 AM | | Re: Opinions on teaching "killer doggies" how to behave? | Quote |
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i roll my dogs (when they get out of hand, not once a week whether they need it or not), and there is no way that if i was in a fight they would choose to bite me over my opponent.
you may be good at training killer attack dogs(for other people) but if you fear that your dog is going to team up with the other guy to finally put you in your place once and for all, you are doing something wrong. period
after submission with the alpha roll the dog recieves love an affection, when the dog displays calm/submission it gets a good reward,your affection, this isnt bullying the dog it is disiplining him and he comes away from it feeling better than ever.
its obvious you are doing it incorrectly and bullying and pissing off your dog, no wonder youre scared, youre doing it wrong...
Interesting perspectives, also the one about not trying to do it if the dog is in attack mode which seems obvious to me. Don't know about that part of "kicking his teeth" though, then again I know too little to have anything to say about anything regarding dogs.
However, in this thread we have heard examples of really big and powerful dogs being dominated by little poodles. I find it hard to believe the little poodle could maintain its pack status by "alpha rolling" the big one so I'm open to the idea of finding out also about other options. The small things you can do seems to matter a lot, at feeding time, how you walk and talk to your animal. Quoting: Leo****
lol, sorry, dont be extra mean to your dog, im just sayin by any means nessesary, but sure you wouldnt want to put yourself in a position to be bitten when the dog is in psycho mode |
| Me
User ID: 394187
7/27/2008 11:15 AM
| | Leo****
User ID: 89830
7/27/2008 11:19 AM
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lol, sorry, dont be extra mean to your dog, im just sayin by any means nessesary, but sure you wouldnt want to put yourself in a position to be bitten when the dog is in psycho mode Quoting: Anonymous Coward 432406
Ok, I understand. Easy rule of thumb: don't alpha roll big dogs in psycho mode... I'll definitely remember that! |
| Leo****
User ID: 89830
7/27/2008 11:20 AM
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Super cute! She even smiles! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 432406
7/27/2008 11:21 AM | | Re: Opinions on teaching "killer doggies" how to behave? | Quote |
I've never tried the Alpha Roll myself but apparently even the authors of the technique changed their stance on it.
[ link to www.veterinarypartner.com]
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Oh, stop that alpha rollover! That is making her more and more defensive! Even the people who originally wrote that book and recommended that maneuver changed their position on it some years later, but unfortunately people keep teaching it, and doing it. It is extremely harmful to the relationship between dog and owner in many cases.
it works very well, especially if you have multiple dogs,
like say if you are having dog fights regularly, this will cure that problem like nothing else can.
it may not be for everyone and in a single pet home there may be other methods that are just as good for teaching dominance ect, but in the pack atmosphere with multiple dogs this method is priceless.
the authors may have recanted on account of people doing the technique at the wrong times ect and getting hurt, and i can understand that, but if done properly at the proper time it is one of the best tools a dog handler can use. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 432406
7/27/2008 11:25 AM | | Re: Opinions on teaching "killer doggies" how to behave? | Quote |
its for keeping dogs in a calm mode instead of waiting for the fight to happen and dealing with it then.
if the dogs are in a calm/submissive state of mind the fight doesnt happen in the first place... |
| Me
User ID: 394187
7/27/2008 11:32 AM
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Yes Leo he is super cute, he usually does what we call a 'cheesy smile', it's so beaming.
it works very well, especially if you have multiple dogs,
like say if you are having dog fights regularly, this will cure that problem like nothing else can.
it may not be for everyone and in a single pet home there may be other methods that are just as good for teaching dominance ect, but in the pack atmosphere with multiple dogs this method is priceless.
the authors may have recanted on account of people doing the technique at the wrong times ect and getting hurt, and i can understand that, but if done properly at the proper time it is one of the best tools a dog handler can use. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 432406
Ah, ok, like I said I have never tried it, I only have the one Dog now (had to have my 13 year old Dobey put to rest last month) but together they were a great team, she was like a Mother figure to my Rottie, so never needed to use the technique, but if it works for you then I suppose it can't be all that bad. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 474287
7/27/2008 11:51 AM | | Re: Opinions on teaching "killer doggies" how to behave? | Quote |
pps: the very best way to ensure that your dog will defend you isnt making it an unstable attack dog, it is love and affection.
the more you love your dog the more it will want to protect you.
its the trained attack dogs (who think its fun and rewarding to bite humans) that are dangerous and will turn on you...
i mean sure you can say bite and they bite, but what if your asleep?
ill take a loved pet to protect my sleeping ass any day over that lit stick of dynamite you think you have control over Quoting: Anonymous Coward 432406
432406 you're a class A idiot on this subject.
I'd like to know why you think a bite trained dog lacks affection?
Are you assuming the dogs bite people out of defensiveness? Do you know anything about Prey Drive, Defense Drive, Fight drive? Do you know how to channel these drives?
You say bite trained dogs turn on the handler? How do you know this?
Why do you presume a dog with no training but lots of love with protect you if it's not trained to work under pressure?
If you were walking your dog and were attacked..would you leave you dog on the leash or let it go to fight for you?
Aren't you as the alpha supposed to protect it's pack? Why do you think the omega is going to step up and help you? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 432406
7/27/2008 9:10 PM | | Re: Opinions on teaching "killer doggies" how to behave? | Quote |
pps: the very best way to ensure that your dog will defend you isnt making it an unstable attack dog, it is love and affection.
the more you love your dog the more it will want to protect you.
its the trained attack dogs (who think its fun and rewarding to bite humans) that are dangerous and will turn on you...
i mean sure you can say bite and they bite, but what if your asleep?
ill take a loved pet to protect my sleeping ass any day over that lit stick of dynamite you think you have control over
432406 you're a class A idiot on this subject.
I'd like to know why you think a bite trained dog lacks affection?
Are you assuming the dogs bite people out of defensiveness? Do you know anything about Prey Drive, Defense Drive, Fight drive? Do you know how to channel these drives?
You say bite trained dogs turn on the handler? How do you know this?
Why do you presume a dog with no training but lots of love with protect you if it's not trained to work under pressure?
If you were walking your dog and were attacked..would you leave you dog on the leash or let it go to fight for you?
Aren't you as the alpha supposed to protect it's pack? Why do you think the omega is going to step up and help you? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 474287
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 432406
7/27/2008 9:42 PM | | Re: Opinions on teaching "killer doggies" how to behave? | Quote |
pps: the very best way to ensure that your dog will defend you isnt making it an unstable attack dog, it is love and affection.
the more you love your dog the more it will want to protect you.
its the trained attack dogs (who think its fun and rewarding to bite humans) that are dangerous and will turn on you...
i mean sure you can say bite and they bite, but what if your asleep?
ill take a loved pet to protect my sleeping ass any day over that lit stick of dynamite you think you have control over
432406 you're a class A idiot on this subject.
I'd like to know why you think a bite trained dog lacks affection?
Are you assuming the dogs bite people out of defensiveness? Do you know anything about Prey Drive, Defense Drive, Fight drive? Do you know how to channel these drives?
You say bite trained dogs turn on the handler? How do you know this?
Why do you presume a dog with no training but lots of love with protect you if it's not trained to work under pressure?
If you were walking your dog and were attacked..would you leave you dog on the leash or let it go to fight for you?
Aren't you as the alpha supposed to protect it's pack? Why do you think the omega is going to step up and help you? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 474287
i got more dogs and meaner dogs than anyone on this thread and i know a guy with 75 presa canerios, i know a bit of dog psychology,
if you are in trouble and your dog loves you it will protect you,
for all your training ect, what is the point if the dog wont protect you?
i mean as far as you guys are saying, these dogs have no defensive capabilities just offensive, what good is that? unless you are starting the beefs?
my dogs would love to chew you up for my affection.
if i was being attacked yes i would let the dog/s defend me, and they would, i have been defended by my dogs before.
(that were and were not trained)
i dont think that all trained dogs are mistrained, i think if you are to afraid to roll your dog then you cant control it enough to be attack training with it, its like giving a third grader an uzi.
i dont think every dog will defend under pressure but i do think the average rottie will, your rottweiller doesnt need attack training to be protective, they are the number one protection dog for a reason, it comes naturally, |
| Omega 
Total Unequivocal Bad Fuckin' News
User ID: 340280
7/27/2008 9:44 PM
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pps: the very best way to ensure that your dog will defend you isnt making it an unstable attack dog, it is love and affection.
the more you love your dog the more it will want to protect you.
its the trained attack dogs (who think its fun and rewarding to bite humans) that are dangerous and will turn on you...
i mean sure you can say bite and they bite, but what if your asleep?
ill take a loved pet to protect my sleeping ass any day over that lit stick of dynamite you think you have control over
432406 you're a class A idiot on this subject.
I'd like to know why you think a bite trained dog lacks affection?
Are you assuming the dogs bite people out of defensiveness? Do you know anything about Prey Drive, Defense Drive, Fight drive? Do you know how to channel these drives?
You say bite trained dogs turn on the handler? How do you know this?
Why do you presume a dog with no training but lots of love with protect you if it's not trained to work under pressure?
If you were walking your dog and were attacked..would you leave you dog on the leash or let it go to fight for you?
Aren't you as the alpha supposed to protect it's pack? Why do you think the omega is going to step up and help you?
i got more dogs and meaner dogs than anyone on this thread and i know a guy with 75 presa canerios, i know a bit of dog psychology,
if you are in trouble and your dog loves you it will protect you,
for all your training ect, what is the point if the dog wont protect you?
i mean as far as you guys are saying, these dogs have no defensive capabilities just offensive, what good is that? unless you are starting the beefs?
my dogs would love to chew you up for my affection.
if i was being attacked yes i would let the dog/s defend me, and they would, i have been defended by my dogs before.
(that were and were not trained)
i dont think that all trained dogs are mistrained, i think if you are to afraid to roll your dog then you cant control it enough to be attack training with it, its like giving a third grader an uzi.
i dont think every dog will defend under pressure but i do think the average rottie will, your rottweiller doesnt need attack training to be protective, they are the number one protection dog for a reason, it comes naturally, Quoting: Anonymous Coward 432406
Gotta agree with this. When I have friends over (some regular visitors) if someone moves too fast or animates their hands making a point in a discussion for instance my Fila is on them so fast it will make your head spin. If these dogs love you they will die for you no question......
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 89830 (OP)
7/28/2008 6:37 PM | | Re: Opinions on teaching "killer doggies" how to behave? | Quote |
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Gotta agree with this. When I have friends over (some regular visitors) if someone moves too fast or animates their hands making a point in a discussion for instance my Fila is on them so fast it will make your head spin. If these dogs love you they will die for you no question...... Quoting: Omega
It sounds like you run into a lot of awkward situations, having to explain to the paramedics how all this shit could happen and all... :)
Look, I'm just sort of wondering about what I should do about my little pup in her everyday training. She's got fabulous instincts for sure.
Like on nightwalks around the quarter... everything goes happily, then suddenly she stays dead in her tracks. A "mysterious" person is approaching her and "her pack" (i.e us) from behind, she stands like a bird dog, totally still. Nothing can disturb her, totally focused. As the "mysterious person" approaches, she begins to growl, then bark when the distance is to close for her comfort like 30 feet.
Should I even correct this? Not sure. Her instincts were correct in a way. All I did was to greet the "mysterios person" as he passed by and there was nothing more to it. Puppy stopped barking and growling when I interacted with the person, she saw that there was no cause for alarm. Should this behavior be rewarded, if so, exactly when? I did nothing but speaking calmly to her during the event.
Maybe this is a question for a working dog forum of some kind but I appreciate all input.
All I can say is that it is damned difficult to raise one of these puppies, it is always this question deep back in your mind that you might destroy their valuable natural instincts by "correcting" when no correction should be undertaken, or vice versa.
Extremely powerful dogs, that is clear. |
| Omega
Total Unequivocal Bad Fuckin' News
User ID: 340280
7/28/2008 7:20 PM
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Gotta agree with this. When I have friends over (some regular visitors) if someone moves too fast or animates their hands making a point in a discussion for instance my Fila is on them so fast it will make your head spin. If these dogs love you they will die for you no question......
It sounds like you run into a lot of awkward situations, having to explain to the paramedics how all this shit could happen and all... :)
Look, I'm just sort of wondering about what I should do about my little pup in her everyday training. She's got fabulous instincts for sure.
Like on nightwalks around the quarter... everything goes happily, then suddenly she stays dead in her tracks. A "mysterious" person is approaching her and "her pack" (i.e us) from behind, she stands like a bird dog, totally still. Nothing can disturb her, totally focused. As the "mysterious person" approaches, she begins to growl, then bark when the distance is to close for her comfort like 30 feet.
Should I even correct this? Not sure. Her instincts were correct in a way. All I did was to greet the "mysterios person" as he passed by and there was nothing more to it. Puppy stopped barking and growling when I interacted with the person, she saw that there was no cause for alarm. Should this behavior be rewarded, if so, exactly when? I did nothing but speaking calmly to her during the event.
Maybe this is a question for a working dog forum of some kind but I appreciate all input.
All I can say is that it is damned difficult to raise one of these puppies, it is always this question deep back in your mind that you might destroy their valuable natural instincts by "correcting" when no correction should be undertaken, or vice versa.
Extremely powerful dogs, that is clear. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 89830
Naw no paramedics, she just gets in their face with a stern warning.:>) Now if someone actually made a real move toward me.......
I would not discourage your dog from protecting you. At all-it's merely doing it's job. Plus that warns the stranger watch out or you got trouble. As long as you have complete control of the animal on the leash I don't see an issue.
I use a silent reward-a scratch behind the ear for instance, on the sly so the perp that almost got killed don 't see. But than again, I don't walk Fila's around in public. Need real insurance for that sort of thing,lol...FWIW. YMMV.
Yahoo IM omega375hh |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 89830 (OP)
7/28/2008 7:54 PM | | Re: Opinions on teaching "killer doggies" how to behave? | Quote |
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I would not discourage your dog from protecting you. At all-it's merely doing it's job. Plus that warns the stranger watch out or you got trouble. As long as you have complete control of the animal on the leash I don't see an issue.
I use a silent reward-a scratch behind the ear for instance, on the sly so the perp that almost got killed don 't see. But than again, I don't walk Fila's around in public. Need real insurance for that sort of thing,lol...FWIW. YMMV. Quoting: Omega
This is a dog that needs to be useful in public. And yes, I have proper insurance for the dog, actually! One of the first things I did.
For sure I realize and recognize this dog's natural instincts of protection.
For now it it just cute to see her growling and barking at mystical strangers, she's just like a baby alligator in her actual capabilities but nevertheless I appreciate her vigilance and preparedness already.
From what I heard, it is not really necessary to teach these dogs in bite training since it comes naturally.
She is quite a little snapper already I must say... no fear of chewing raw flesh although she usually is very careful with her teeth around us if not too excited.
I just kind of hoped she would rely totally on "her pack" to protect her. Obviously this is not the case, why else would she take this stance.
You see how much I have to learn about dogs... also incredibly much fun!
/L |
| Leo****
User ID: 89830 (OP)
7/28/2008 8:45 PM | | Re: Opinions on teaching "killer doggies" how to behave? | Quote |
I'm beginning to think Rottweilers already know a great deal of what is expected of them to do concerning protection and stuff, and that it is just a question of taming those instincts to fit into typical people's everyday lives.
Protection seems to come very naturally for this breed almost without training. They just seem to have this instinct from birth.
What are your experiences? Don't take me wrong, I realize they need to be put to work on "real stuff" on a daily basis to feel good. They need to work... but with what? Without proper activation I guess they go insane with all their capabilities.
/L |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 475075
7/28/2008 9:12 PM | | Re: Opinions on teaching "killer doggies" how to behave? | Quote |
I'm beginning to think Rottweilers already know a great deal of what is expected of them to do concerning protection and stuff, and that it is just a question of taming those instincts to fit into typical people's everyday lives.
Protection seems to come very naturally for this breed almost without training. They just seem to have this instinct from birth.
What are your experiences? Don't take me wrong, I realize they need to be put to work on "real stuff" on a daily basis to feel good. They need to work... but with what? Without proper activation I guess they go insane with all their capabilities.
/L Quoting: Leo**** 89830
your puppy is actually going through a fear period for the next couple of weeks. There is nothing protective about your dog now and until she's about 18-24mo old. Rotts are very slow to mature.
You need to be over at www.workingdogforum.com with your questions. There is maybe one other person on this thread that know what they are talking about. On WDF just about everybody knows what they are talking about.
A rottweiler needs bite training to be effective. You'd be a fool to think you're dog will protect you without training. Rotties in general, especially the backyard breed american rotts are very weak nerve dogs.
Your puppy growls now, not because she's tough or being protective but rather because she's scared. Be careful until she's 14wks old, you could turn her into a fear biter. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 89830 (OP)
7/29/2008 10:11 AM | | Re: Opinions on teaching "killer doggies" how to behave? | Quote |
your puppy is actually going through a fear period for the next couple of weeks. There is nothing protective about your dog now and until she's about 18-24mo old. Rotts are very slow to mature.
You need to be over at www.workingdogforum.com with your questions. There is maybe one other person on this thread that know what they are talking about. On WDF just about everybody knows what they are talking about.
A rottweiler needs bite training to be effective. You'd be a fool to think you're dog will protect you without training. Rotties in general, especially the backyard breed american rotts are very weak nerve dogs.
Your puppy growls now, not because she's tough or being protective but rather because she's scared. Be careful until she's 14wks old, you could turn her into a fear biter. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 475075
Good advice. Taking dog training classes is one thing but I also need help from experienced people to interpret her reactions in everyday situations and get advice. Have to check out those working dog and rottweiler forums more closely.
However, not sure I want to go hard core bite training with her, wouldn't that make her too dangerous to keep around people? We were more thinking about making her a safe and secure dog, with less combat-oriented activities such as tracking, maybe rescue.
Maybe I'm wrong about bite training making the dog more dangerous around normal people. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 475075
7/29/2008 10:39 AM | | Re: Opinions on teaching "killer doggies" how to behave? | Quote |
All dogs bite.
A bite trained dog is far less dangerous then a non-trained dog. Bites with a trained dog are something you don't have to worry about because they are confident and shown when and where it's appropriate to use their mouth.
That's said, I saw you posting on one of the other forums.
YOU HAVE A ROTT MIX that changes everything. Looks like there is a lot of lab in it too. Tracking would be good but you don't have a real Rott so don't pretend like you do.
I doubt your dog have the capability to bite for real- most dogs don't. Most rotties are watered down versions of the real thing and if it has lab in it like she looks then she most likely isn't ever going to be a serious dog.
I have a real deal Rottie from one of the most reknowed breeders in europe. My dog was bred to work in the way the original rottie were. He wasn't cheap but you have to pay for quality and even then it's a crap shoot. You have a dog from a back yard breeder who was looking to make a few buck from a mistake.
Good advice. Taking dog training classes is one thing but I also need help from experienced people to interpret her reactions in everyday situations and get advice. Have to check out those working dog and rottweiler forums more closely.
However, not sure I want to go hard core bite training with her, wouldn't that make her too dangerous to keep around people? We were more thinking about making her a safe and secure dog, with less combat-oriented activities such as tracking, maybe rescue.
Maybe I'm wrong about bite training making the dog more dangerous around normal people. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 89830 |
| Leo****
User ID: 89830
7/29/2008 10:55 AM
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All dogs bite.
A bite trained dog is far less dangerous then a non-trained dog. Bites with a trained dog are something you don't have to worry about because they are confident and shown when and where it's appropriate to use their mouth.
That's said, I saw you posting on one of the other forums.
YOU HAVE A ROTT MIX that changes everything. Looks like there is a lot of lab in it too. Tracking would be good but you don't have a real Rott so don't pretend like you do.
I doubt your dog have the capability to bite for real- most dogs don't. Most rotties are watered down versions of the real thing and if it has lab in it like she looks then she most likely isn't ever going to be a serious dog.
I have a real deal Rottie from one of the most reknowed breeders in europe. My dog was bred to work in the way the original rottie were. He wasn't cheap but you have to pay for quality and even then it's a crap shoot. You have a dog from a back yard breeder who was looking to make a few buck from a mistake.
... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 475075
Not a member of any dog forums yet, sorry. But yes, as I explained earlier, a paperless dog is not allowed to train or compete in some branches and I can understand why. You need to have at least some degree of control over critical variables such as temperament and motivation in the dog, this is what the tests and papers are for.
Good luck with your dog! I'll stick to the original plan of doing tracking and maybe some rescue, depending on what is available where I live. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 475075
7/29/2008 4:53 PM | | Re: Opinions on teaching "killer doggies" how to behave? | Quote |
Ok Leo,
I call Bullshit on you.
First off, a paperless dog can train and be certified as guide dogs, companion dogs, working dogs etc... There are lot of mutts in the Military, Police Depts, FEMA etc. Nobody cares about breeds, they just care if the dog can work. All breeds of dogs of issues, no set of paper is proof of anything. A test will test a dog but not a breed.
Secondly, Haken, you shouldn't lie. There's nothing wrong with being member of a dog forum if you care about your dog.
No there is no more respect for you.
Good Luck.
Not a member of any dog forums yet, sorry. But yes, as I explained earlier, a paperless dog is not allowed to train or compete in some branches and I can understand why. You need to have at least some degree of control over critical variables such as temperament and motivation in the dog, this is what the tests and papers are for.
Good luck with your dog! I'll stick to the original plan of doing tracking and maybe some rescue, depending on what is available where I live. Quoting: Leo**** |
| Leo****
User ID: 89830
7/29/2008 6:04 PM
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Ok Leo,
I call Bullshit on you.
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No there is no more respect for you.
Good Luck. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 475075
Sorry pal, you lost me.
Someone must have done something really bad to you back at that forum... why not work it out there instead of bothering me about whatever it is?
Have a nice day, conversation with you is over.
/L |
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