He is coming back as a conquering king. The first thing he is going to do is kill those who try to kill him at his return. (Revelation)
Quoting: mopar28m
Jesus is not coming to kill anyone.
Lotus People are not a commodity, without love they become so. Parents are the guardians of the soul, a precious gem born to shine. It is the guardian’s responsibility to ensure that gem is not reshaped, but allowed to BE its natural state. Children are the supreme joy of human life’ "God's will is compelled by love into compassionate action to save." "Blessed are the pure of heart for they shall see God."
In my integrity you uphold me and set me in your presence forever. Psa 41:12 "The LORD within her is righteous; he does no wrong. Morning by morning he dispenses his justice, and every new day he does not fail, yet the unrighteous know no shame." Zephaniah 3:4-6
Anonymous Coward User ID: 281126 7/23/2008 8:04 PM
Re: IS 'JESUS CHRIST' COMING BACK AS A MAN OR A CHILD?
Then clearly you haven't read the OT. God destroyed entire nations and cultures that had fallen to sin and depravity. Sodom is good example. He poured the flood gates of brimstone upon it. You can actually walk the archaeological site of it and find skulls entombed in soil and rock.
He destroyed countless other nations as well after giving clear warning of what was coming to them by way of the prophets.
Indeed the OT God states over and over that he/it is Jealous God and does not tolerate his creation falling into sin and depravity.
Look at the History of Israel. They rejected his messager and if you are Christian God's Son. In 32ad. By 65ad Jeresalem that had stood for 1000 years. Was GONE! The temple nothing of smoldering ash and childern of Isreal scattered to the four winds. ONLY ONLY returning after what???? THE HOLOCAUST (The purification by fire) in 1947ad.
If you think he's going to be Good Shepard at the end of days. The FINAL BATTLE over Satan and his forces. Your Entirly wrong.
Shady
He is coming back as a conquering king. The first thing he is going to do is kill those who try to kill him at his return. (Revelation)
Jesus is not coming to kill anyone.
Lotus
Quoting: Lotus Feet
"In a time of deceit telling the truth is revolutionary act." - George Orwell
In 32ad He Loved YOU! So Much that he gave up his body and his blood for you. Taking upon himself the SINS OF HUMANS past present and future (YOU). An by doing so granting you Eternal Life!. .. All he asked in return was for you to Believe and your Faith.
He did this for you.
If by the Tribulation mankind hasn't accepted that gift. If you haven't accepted that gift..
Then he told you himself. The Wheat gets separated from the Chaff and the Chaff IS GOING into the Fires.
Shady "In a time of deceit telling the truth is revolutionary act." - George Orwell
Lotus Feet The Paraclete, defender of human rights User ID: 433953 7/23/2008 8:22 PM
Re: IS 'JESUS CHRIST' COMING BACK AS A MAN OR A CHILD?
Then clearly you haven't read the OT. God destroyed entire nations and cultures that had fallen to sin and depravity. Sodom is good example. He poured the flood gates of brimstone upon it. You can actually walk the archaeological site of it and find skulls entombed in soil and rock.
He destroyed countless other nations as well after giving clear warning of what was coming to them by way of the prophets.
Indeed the OT God states over and over that he/it is Jealous God and does not tolerate his creation falling into sin and depravity.
Look at the History of Israel. They rejected his messager and if you are Christian God's Son. In 32ad. By 65ad Jeresalem that had stood for 1000 years. Was GONE! The temple nothing of smoldering ash and childern of Isreal scattered to the four winds. ONLY ONLY returning after what???? THE HOLOCAUST (The purification by fire) in 1947ad.
If you think he's going to be Good Shepard at the end of days. The FINAL BATTLE over Satan and his forces. Your Entirly wrong.
Shady
He is coming back as a conquering king. The first thing he is going to do is kill those who try to kill him at his return. (Revelation)
Jesus is not coming to kill anyone.
Lotus
Quoting: Nightshade 09
I agree with Prophet Jeremiah the scribes changed the texts to suit themselves.
Knowing the father as I do his bark his worst then his bite. He is like every good and concerned father; he cares a lot about humanity. He loves his children and every hair of every head. Athough sometimes he is forced to shout and act because the children run in the road in front of cars. Sometimes children don't look where they are going and they walk blindly through life. He does what he can to help us when we are prepared to listen and do. From experience I know that he does know best and I trust him with all my heart and soul.
He is merciful, compassionate, giving, forgiving and loving. He has a great humour but don't push your luck otherwise he is likely to ignore and give you a cold shoulder if you do not behave with a moral conscience that befits a spiritually and emotionally mature person.
Lotus People are not a commodity, without love they become so. Parents are the guardians of the soul, a precious gem born to shine. It is the guardian’s responsibility to ensure that gem is not reshaped, but allowed to BE its natural state. Children are the supreme joy of human life’ "God's will is compelled by love into compassionate action to save." "Blessed are the pure of heart for they shall see God."
In my integrity you uphold me and set me in your presence forever. Psa 41:12 "The LORD within her is righteous; he does no wrong. Morning by morning he dispenses his justice, and every new day he does not fail, yet the unrighteous know no shame." Zephaniah 3:4-6
An you bold brave scoffers that say Jesus is all bullshit.
You better be damn sure because you are gambling with your ETERNAL LIFE. ETERNITY.. Say that over and over until it registers..
Btw he also predicted that in the end times a World Wide Blindness to the Truth would descend upon the population. It was the first signs to the believers that Tribulation would be upon them.
He predicted scoffers would multiply. So you Scoffers are the fulfillment of his own Predictions! An you don't even recognize it as he said you wouldn't... LOL
The End Times are indeed upon us all.
Shady "In a time of deceit telling the truth is revolutionary act." - George Orwell
Lotus Feet The Paraclete, defender of human rights User ID: 433953 7/23/2008 8:28 PM
Re: IS 'JESUS CHRIST' COMING BACK AS A MAN OR A CHILD?
In 32ad He Loved YOU! So Much that he gave up his body and his blood for you. Taking upon himself the SINS OF HUMANS past present and future (YOU). An by doing so granting you Eternal Life!. .. All he asked in return was for you to Believe and your Faith.
He did this for you.
If by the Tribulation mankind hasn't accepted that gift. If you haven't accepted that gift..
Then he told you himself. The Wheat gets separated from the Chaff and the Chaff IS GOING into the Fires.
Shady
Quoting: Nightshade 09
Jesus did not die for anyone's sins. Jesus knew that the spilling of blood on the land was against the divine law of God. Read Exodus.
He carried the karma of the world just like other spiritual people do once they have broken their own wheel of karma and cycle of rebirth. Its hard going and only the spiritually mature can handle it. However, they have jumped through so many hoops by the time they get to that stage of evolution they go with the flow of it once they are aware what is happening to them.
Lotus People are not a commodity, without love they become so. Parents are the guardians of the soul, a precious gem born to shine. It is the guardian’s responsibility to ensure that gem is not reshaped, but allowed to BE its natural state. Children are the supreme joy of human life’ "God's will is compelled by love into compassionate action to save." "Blessed are the pure of heart for they shall see God."
In my integrity you uphold me and set me in your presence forever. Psa 41:12 "The LORD within her is righteous; he does no wrong. Morning by morning he dispenses his justice, and every new day he does not fail, yet the unrighteous know no shame." Zephaniah 3:4-6
Wake up tards User ID: 471867 7/23/2008 8:36 PM
Re: IS 'JESUS CHRIST' COMING BACK AS A MAN OR A CHILD?
"I AM the way, the truth and the light. NO MAN comes to the Father but threw me." - Jesus Christ circa 30 ad.
Which harkens back to the OT 10 commandments. Rule 1
"Thou Shalt Have No Other Gods before Me."
That means Lotus Feet. There is NO OTHER Spiritual Path in the World past, present or future that will lead you to eternal life. Its means Lotus. As painful as it may sound, yet it is the truth if Jesus was who claimed to be.
There will be no Buddhists, Hindus, or ANY Other Faiths allowed in Eternity.
Its not Politically Correct to say that. But it is the truth and taken by his direct words. If he is the Son of God as he calmed. There is no other path (no matter how good intentioned) that will lead you into Heaven into Paradise.
He is the ONLY Way.
Shady
In 32ad He Loved YOU! So Much that he gave up his body and his blood for you. Taking upon himself the SINS OF HUMANS past present and future (YOU). An by doing so granting you Eternal Life!. .. All he asked in return was for you to Believe and your Faith.
He did this for you.
If by the Tribulation mankind hasn't accepted that gift. If you haven't accepted that gift..
Then he told you himself. The Wheat gets separated from the Chaff and the Chaff IS GOING into the Fires.
Shady
Jesus did not die for anyone's sins. Jesus knew that the spilling of blood on the land was against the divine law of God. Read Exodus.
He carried the karma of the world just like other spiritual people do once they have broken their own wheel of karma and cycle of rebirth. Its hard going and only the spiritually mature can handle it. However, they have jumped through so many hoops by the time they get to that stage of evolution they go with the flow of it once they are aware what is happening to them.
Lotus
Quoting: Lotus Feet
"In a time of deceit telling the truth is revolutionary act." - George Orwell
He will not be born again. He already did that. Was sacrificed to purchase a pardon for man's collective sin of imperfection and seperation from God. He will return in His Resurrected Body.
The End. Truth is a Stranger to Fiction
Learn to Swim
In the Instancy of Atomic Love, the Footloose are Dead
"Think not that I come into this world to bring Peace. But a Sword.... To turn brother against brother, sister against sister, Father against Son and Daughter Against Mother... For a Person that Believes in Me will find his greatest enemy within his own house."
What he meant by that was that his message would turn the whole world against the believers because it was so controversial. That Jesus Christ was the Only Way to Salvation and Eternal Life.
An it remains controversial to this day.
Shady "In a time of deceit telling the truth is revolutionary act." - George Orwell
Lotus Feet The Paraclete, defender of human rights User ID: 433953 7/23/2008 8:53 PM
Re: IS 'JESUS CHRIST' COMING BACK AS A MAN OR A CHILD?
"I AM the way, the truth and the light. NO MAN comes to the Father but threw me." - Jesus Christ circa 30 ad.Which harkens back to the OT 10 commandments. Rule 1
"Thou Shalt Have No Other Gods before Me."
Quoting: Nightshade 09
Read the end of the bible our father does not mind if people choose other gods as long as it does them no harm.
That means Lotus Feet. There is NO OTHER Spiritual Path in the World past, present or future that will lead you to eternal life. Its means Lotus. As painful as it may sound, yet it is the truth if Jesus was who claimed to be.
Quoting: Nightshade 09
You are so innocent....Jesus was Jewish and there are many spiritual paths in Judaism. As Jesus said my father has many mansions. The Children of Abraham have a wonderful spiritual heritage that has been denied them by the orthodox of all religions.
There will be no Buddhists, Hindus, or ANY Other Faiths allowed in Eternity.
Quoting: Nightshade 09
Well you will find the spiritual realities with Hindu's and Sikhs almost exactly the same. And Buddhist Lama's say that a true Buddhist is a Christian and a true Christian is a Buddhist. There is a lot of truth in that because Jesus was a Buddha and a Yogi. The truth of God is universal although he has many names in many different cultures. It is man that creates religions to divide not God. Every good spiritual teacher teaches the way, the light and the truth. However, there aren't many good ones around. Jesus was teaching the ancient mystery teachings and they are universal.
Everyone is immortal read the bible where it talks about immortality.
Its not Politically Correct to say that. But it is the truth and taken by his direct words. If he is the Son of God as he calmed. There is no other path (no matter how good intentioned) that will lead you into Heaven into Paradise.
Quoting: Nightshade 09
Many have reached the heaven state of being without Jesus; only difference is it is known by different terms in different cultures and spiritual philosophies.
He is the ONLY Way.Shady
In 32ad He Loved YOU! So Much that he gave up his body and his blood for you. Taking upon himself the SINS OF HUMANS past present and future (YOU). An by doing so granting you Eternal Life!. .. All he asked in return was for you to Believe and your Faith.He did this for you.
If by the Tribulation mankind hasn't accepted that gift. If you haven't accepted that gift..Then he told you himself. The Wheat gets separated from the Chaff and the Chaff IS GOING into the Fires. Shady
Quoting: Nightshade 09
Not true....and if it was true nobody would transgress universal law. Also the word faith did not exist pre 1300's it was developed by theologians. As he said 'My father has many mansions".
Lotus People are not a commodity, without love they become so. Parents are the guardians of the soul, a precious gem born to shine. It is the guardian’s responsibility to ensure that gem is not reshaped, but allowed to BE its natural state. Children are the supreme joy of human life’ "God's will is compelled by love into compassionate action to save." "Blessed are the pure of heart for they shall see God."
In my integrity you uphold me and set me in your presence forever. Psa 41:12 "The LORD within her is righteous; he does no wrong. Morning by morning he dispenses his justice, and every new day he does not fail, yet the unrighteous know no shame." Zephaniah 3:4-6
Yes there are thousands of holy men today there were in Jesus' time.
But of all the holy men that ever were did one rise from the dead?
One did and ONLY ONE...
Jesus
The rest are still rotting in the ground, our blowing as dust in the wind waiting for Eternity that will NEVER come to them.
That's all I'm going to say.
Shady
"I AM the way, the truth and the light. NO MAN comes to the Father but threw me." - Jesus Christ circa 30 ad.Which harkens back to the OT 10 commandments. Rule 1
"Thou Shalt Have No Other Gods before Me."
Read the end of the bible our father does not mind if people choose other gods as long as it does them no harm.
That means Lotus Feet. There is NO OTHER Spiritual Path in the World past, present or future that will lead you to eternal life. Its means Lotus. As painful as it may sound, yet it is the truth if Jesus was who claimed to be.
You are so innocent....Jesus was Jewish and there are many spiritual paths in Judaism. As Jesus said my father has many mansions. The Children of Abraham have a wonderful spiritual heritage that has been denied them by the orthodox of all religions.
There will be no Buddhists, Hindus, or ANY Other Faiths allowed in Eternity.
Well you will find the spiritual realities with Hindu's and Sikhs almost exactly the same. And Buddhist Lama's say that a true Buddhist is a Christian and a true Christian is a Buddhist. There is a lot of truth in that because Jesus was a Buddha and a Yogi. The truth of God is universal although he has many names in many different cultures. It is man that creates religions to divide not God. Every good spiritual teacher teaches the way, the light and the truth. However, there aren't many good ones around. Jesus was teaching the ancient mystery teachings and they are universal.
Everyone is immortal read the bible where it talks about immortality.
Its not Politically Correct to say that. But it is the truth and taken by his direct words. If he is the Son of God as he calmed. There is no other path (no matter how good intentioned) that will lead you into Heaven into Paradise.
Many have reached the heaven state of being without Jesus; only difference is it is known by different terms in different cultures and spiritual philosophies.
He is the ONLY Way.Shady
In 32ad He Loved YOU! So Much that he gave up his body and his blood for you. Taking upon himself the SINS OF HUMANS past present and future (YOU). An by doing so granting you Eternal Life!. .. All he asked in return was for you to Believe and your Faith.He did this for you.
If by the Tribulation mankind hasn't accepted that gift. If you haven't accepted that gift..Then he told you himself. The Wheat gets separated from the Chaff and the Chaff IS GOING into the Fires. Shady
Not true....and if it was true nobody would transgress universal law. Also the word faith did not exist pre 1300's it was developed by theologians. As he said 'My father has many mansions".
Lotus
Quoting: Lotus Feet
"In a time of deceit telling the truth is revolutionary act." - George Orwell
Jesus told you that if you need to see a physician go and find out what it means. He didn't say come here I will save you. However, he did do a lot of healing on a lot of people like all healers do. True Christians walk in his footsteps and become healers of self and others; just like he asked his followers to do.
Christians have got a lot of shocks coming....the angels that have taught their souls to fly are the harvesters in the end times of the end of age.
Blessed are the ones that are awake when the Master comes.
Lotus People are not a commodity, without love they become so. Parents are the guardians of the soul, a precious gem born to shine. It is the guardian’s responsibility to ensure that gem is not reshaped, but allowed to BE its natural state. Children are the supreme joy of human life’ "God's will is compelled by love into compassionate action to save." "Blessed are the pure of heart for they shall see God."
In my integrity you uphold me and set me in your presence forever. Psa 41:12 "The LORD within her is righteous; he does no wrong. Morning by morning he dispenses his justice, and every new day he does not fail, yet the unrighteous know no shame." Zephaniah 3:4-6
So have I when I was six I fell off my parents roof slammed face first onto the concrete patio below. My father raced down the ladder and carried me into the house. I say he carried my lifeless rag doll of a body, because I was standing next to him.
This was in the days before 911 so it took the paramedics 10 minutes to arrive and they worked on my EKG FLATLINE body for the next six. Meanwhile I watched the whole scene, the hysterical family, the frantically working paramedics. I watched it all from the corner of the room.
Wrapped in the wings of an angel and behind her the tunnel of light and at the very end a Single being standing there watching us both as we watched my family. Being folded into her arms, into her robes, into her wings. I felt INDESCRIBABLE PEACE AND LOVE AND JOY. So much so when she told me it wasn't my time yet and I had to go back. I wept and begged her to stay, lol she wouldn't hear of it .. lol Told me that there was much left for me to learn and do back on Earth. So sigh I sighed and was sent back.
I still have the old EKG tape Lotus.. plus the reports. I was six minutes beyond the point of no return both brain dead and heart beat dead. When they brought me back. (Eleven is the cut off point, if doc's can't revive you by then and do after that by some chance. There is 95% of Brain Damage so much so its more humane to let you die then bring you back.)
When they brought me back after a few of those narly paddle shocks to my six year old chest. I literally got up and slapped the paramedic across the face calling him a bad man and rushed to my mom's arms. Where there was bitter tears just seconds before even from the paramedics eyes. Now there was but laughter and joy.
Three days later after they let me out of the hospital due to observation.. I had FULL memory of what happened in the Light with that Angel and FULL memory of happened in my parents living room and my body.
An in conclusion Lotus Feet... There is ONLY ONE "Holy Man" and his teachings that convey the LOVE, PEACE, JOY, and WARMTH that I felt in that light that. ONLY ONE that comes close to what I felt "Over There" and that 'Holy Man" is only found in the First four Testaments of New Testament.
As of the rest.. an believe me I've read hundreds of "Holy Books" investigated hundreds of beliefs. From them only come minor minor burning embers of truth.
Shady
Many of us have risen from the dead....
Religion buries men in the box of emotion.
Lotus
Quoting: Lotus Feet
"In a time of deceit telling the truth is revolutionary act." - George Orwell
GDW User ID: 472541 7/23/2008 9:46 PM
Re: IS 'JESUS CHRIST' COMING BACK AS A MAN OR A CHILD?
The book of Revelation has been studied by countless theologians and worshippers of all denominations, and also by Bible critics. It appears that everyone who has read Revelation has his/her own private opinion as to the “interpretation” of this confusing compilation of. prophetic dogma
I find it amusing that those who attempt to promote their own view of Revelation prophecy often accuse those who disagree with them of not having read the Bible. Well, I have read the Bible, and studied the Bible, not only the KJV but other versions as well, for over 50 years. In addition to reading the Bible over and over again, I have also read many books about the Bible, both pro and con. Now, will someone please ask me, a true Bible researcher, what Revelation says??
The question is: Professor, what is the true meaning of the book of Revelation?
And the answer, from one who is truly knowledgeable of the Bible is: I don’t have a clue, and I don‘t think you do either.
If you Bible believing “scholars” knew how foolish you all sound attacking each other’s personal interpretations of the scripture, you might at least muffle your criticism of those who disagree with you.
Finally, I would suggest, to the obvious displeasure of all Biblical fundamentalists, that the mere fact that Revelation is so confusing disproves any claim that the book is divinely inspired. When God really writes a book, don’t you think that everyone will be able to understand the damn thing??????? If God really wanted you to know something, don’t you think He would avoid confusing symbolism and tell it like it is so everyone would know what He expects of them???? Does your God like guessing games?? Is the Christian God some frustrated game-show host winnable??? Oh well, perhaps I have been too hard on all you divine spokespersons. I suppose I should be grateful to all of you for telling me what God intended to say but did not quite know how to say it. I thank you and God thanks you.
Now, fight nice or I will spank you all!
Anonymous Coward User ID: 472631 7/24/2008 2:36 AM
Re: IS 'JESUS CHRIST' COMING BACK AS A MAN OR A CHILD?
In 32ad He Loved YOU! So Much that he gave up his body and his blood for you. Taking upon himself the SINS OF HUMANS past present and future (YOU). An by doing so granting you Eternal Life!. .. All he asked in return was for you to Believe and your Faith.
He did this for you.
If by the Tribulation mankind hasn't accepted that gift. If you haven't accepted that gift..
Then he told you himself. The Wheat gets separated from the Chaff and the Chaff IS GOING into the Fires.
Shady
Jesus did not die for anyone's sins. Jesus knew that the spilling of blood on the land was against the divine law of God. Read Exodus.
He carried the karma of the world just like other spiritual people do once they have broken their own wheel of karma and cycle of rebirth. Its hard going and only the spiritually mature can handle it. However, they have jumped through so many hoops by the time they get to that stage of evolution they go with the flow of it once they are aware what is happening to them.
Lotus
Quoting: Lotus Feet
Anonymous Coward User ID: 468993 7/24/2008 3:12 AM
Re: IS 'JESUS CHRIST' COMING BACK AS A MAN OR A CHILD?
12 I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red, 13and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as late figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind. 14The sky receded like a scroll, rolling up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place.
15Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and every slave and every free man hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains. 16They called to the mountains and the rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17For the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?"
Anonymous Coward User ID: 364863 7/24/2008 3:29 AM
Re: IS 'JESUS CHRIST' COMING BACK AS A MAN OR A CHILD?
So have I when I was six I fell off my parents roof slammed face first onto the concrete patio below. My father raced down the ladder and carried me into the house. I say he carried my lifeless rag doll of a body, because I was standing next to him.
This was in the days before 911 so it took the paramedics 10 minutes to arrive and they worked on my EKG FLATLINE body for the next six. Meanwhile I watched the whole scene, the hysterical family, the frantically working paramedics. I watched it all from the corner of the room.
Wrapped in the wings of an angel and behind her the tunnel of light and at the very end a Single being standing there watching us both as we watched my family. Being folded into her arms, into her robes, into her wings. I felt INDESCRIBABLE PEACE AND LOVE AND JOY. So much so when she told me it wasn't my time yet and I had to go back. I wept and begged her to stay, lol she wouldn't hear of it .. lol Told me that there was much left for me to learn and do back on Earth. So sigh I sighed and was sent back.
I still have the old EKG tape Lotus.. plus the reports. I was six minutes beyond the point of no return both brain dead and heart beat dead. When they brought me back. (Eleven is the cut off point, if doc's can't revive you by then and do after that by some chance. There is 95% of Brain Damage so much so its more humane to let you die then bring you back.)
When they brought me back after a few of those narly paddle shocks to my six year old chest. I literally got up and slapped the paramedic across the face calling him a bad man and rushed to my mom's arms. Where there was bitter tears just seconds before even from the paramedics eyes. Now there was but laughter and joy.
Three days later after they let me out of the hospital due to observation.. I had FULL memory of what happened in the Light with that Angel and FULL memory of happened in my parents living room and my body.
An in conclusion Lotus Feet... There is ONLY ONE "Holy Man" and his teachings that convey the LOVE, PEACE, JOY, and WARMTH that I felt in that light that. ONLY ONE that comes close to what I felt "Over There" and that 'Holy Man" is only found in the First four Testaments of New Testament.
As of the rest.. an believe me I've read hundreds of "Holy Books" investigated hundreds of beliefs. From them only come minor minor burning embers of truth.
Shady
Many of us have risen from the dead....
Religion buries men in the box of emotion.
Lotus
Quoting: Nightshade 09
I can believe U as I have the similar near death experience.
But it is only first class lecture. Be patient and try to learn more.
4w.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 458269 7/24/2008 5:03 AM
Re: IS 'JESUS CHRIST' COMING BACK AS A MAN OR A CHILD?
adult / child, boy / girl, I just wish it would happen already.
Everyone has different ideas, everyone is right, everyone searching for the truth - it is so confusing. I wonder if we will ever know. Maybe this will only happen on the spiritual plane - and every eye that sees it will be the soiritual eye, or third eye.
Sometimes the intangible is so frustrating. I'm feeling a bit fed up with it all at the moment.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 454457 7/24/2008 5:34 AM
Re: IS 'JESUS CHRIST' COMING BACK AS A MAN OR A CHILD?
adult / child, boy / girl, I just wish it would happen already.
Everyone has different ideas, everyone is right, everyone searching for the truth - it is so confusing. I wonder if we will ever know. Maybe this will only happen on the spiritual plane - and every eye that sees it will be the soiritual eye, or third eye.
Sometimes the intangible is so frustrating. I'm feeling a bit fed up with it all at the moment.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 458269
Thats because it's all a 'silly' kindergarden 'game'.
Know thy self or stay and play!
:)
Anonymous Coward User ID: 397865 7/24/2008 7:55 AM
Re: IS 'JESUS CHRIST' COMING BACK AS A MAN OR A CHILD?
The question is: Professor, what is the true meaning of the book of Revelation?
And the answer, from one who is truly knowledgeable of the Bible is: I don’t have a clue, and I don‘t think you do either.
Quoting: The Professor 385883
Greetings Professor,
If I may offer a short answer to a short question this would be mine.
The true meaning of the book of Revelation is one of hope in the midst of a horrible oncoming persecution which was to befall the Christians of that era.
I believe it is important to take it in its historic context.
I don't believe it is a book for everyone as it is clearly addressed to "the seven churches which are in Asia.."
It tells of things which must "..shortly come to pass.."
Without controversy history tells us of horrible persecutions which befell the early church and I believe it is in this setting that the message was of great importance.
The true meaning is simple really and it is one of hope and perseverance in the face of the adversary.
The Book is highly symbolic in nature but they who needed it most were blessed to understand it.
The Book tells of the upcoming persecution. The need to repent and hold fast, and the glorious reward of the faithful as well as the fate of the unbeliever.
I would also like to say it is not a message that Christ sent us to preach to the lost. The message, or commission is the same today as it was then. "Preach the gospel to every creature.."
Jesus Christ died in your place.
He was buried and rose again on the third day. He was seen by many and sent them to bear wittiness of Him and His message of hope.
He ascended into Heaven where He reigns as High Priest on behalf of those In Him.
He promised to send the Comforter to His Apostles and directed them to wait in the city until thus endowed.
This we see taking place on the day of Pentecost as set forth in the opening chapter of The Book of Acts.
Having been empowered from on High Peter stood up and preached the Gospel to those gathered.
Having heard The Word of God, and knowing the horrid state and guilt shared by all listening, they asked, "men and brothers, what shall we do?"
Peter told them to repent and be baptized for the remission of their sins and they would receive the Gift of The Holy Spirit.
Some 3000 obeyed from the heart and The Lord added daily to the church those who were being saved.
This same message continued to expand and by it the church grew greatly creating more who would carry the same message of hope.
Much had transpired by the time the book of Revelation was delivered. Satan moved greatly against the church and some of the most horrible things imaginable were committed against the Christians of that time.
Therefore The Book was designed to offer these hope and courage to stand in the face of the persecutions knowing they were temporary and that those who overcame would find themselves written in The Book of Life.
The Book is a panoramic view of time and shows that God is in control and knows the trials and persecutions that would befall His. It is a Book that encourages steadfastness and holds out the hope Christians share.
The book does not contain those things you need to hear as it does not tell you as a non believer what to do to be saved. It is little wonder it is misunderstood by those who cannot so much as digest, understand and accept the simple gospel message.
I see many folks today argue over its meaning which is a complete waste of time. Some pretty fantastic tales are spun from it in the minds of those outside of Christ.
Again the message we are to carry is simply the gospel.Those who reject it as written can never come to understand this Book.
I hope this helps.
Regards
JimmyK
GDW User ID: 472958 7/24/2008 5:45 PM
Re: IS 'JESUS CHRIST' COMING BACK AS A MAN OR A CHILD?
The question is: Professor, what is the true meaning of the book of Revelation?
And the answer, from one who is truly knowledgeable of the Bible is: I don’t have a clue, and I don‘t think you do either.
Greetings Professor,
If I may offer a short answer to a short question this would be mine.
The true meaning of the book of Revelation is one of hope in the midst of a horrible oncoming persecution which was to befall the Christians of that era.
I believe it is important to take it in its historic context.
I don't believe it is a book for everyone as it is clearly addressed to "the seven churches which are in Asia.."
It tells of things which must "..shortly come to pass.."
Without controversy history tells us of horrible persecutions which befell the early church and I believe it is in this setting that the message was of great importance.
The true meaning is simple really and it is one of hope and perseverance in the face of the adversary.
The Book is highly symbolic in nature but they who needed it most were blessed to understand it.
The Book tells of the upcoming persecution. The need to repent and hold fast, and the glorious reward of the faithful as well as the fate of the unbeliever.
I would also like to say it is not a message that Christ sent us to preach to the lost. The message, or commission is the same today as it was then. "Preach the gospel to every creature.."
Jesus Christ died in your place.
He was buried and rose again on the third day. He was seen by many and sent them to bear wittiness of Him and His message of hope.
He ascended into Heaven where He reigns as High Priest on behalf of those In Him.
He promised to send the Comforter to His Apostles and directed them to wait in the city until thus endowed.
This we see taking place on the day of Pentecost as set forth in the opening chapter of The Book of Acts.
Having been empowered from on High Peter stood up and preached the Gospel to those gathered.
Having heard The Word of God, and knowing the horrid state and guilt shared by all listening, they asked, "men and brothers, what shall we do?"
Peter told them to repent and be baptized for the remission of their sins and they would receive the Gift of The Holy Spirit.
Some 3000 obeyed from the heart and The Lord added daily to the church those who were being saved.
This same message continued to expand and by it the church grew greatly creating more who would carry the same message of hope.
Much had transpired by the time the book of Revelation was delivered. Satan moved greatly against the church and some of the most horrible things imaginable were committed against the Christians of that time.
Therefore The Book was designed to offer these hope and courage to stand in the face of the persecutions knowing they were temporary and that those who overcame would find themselves written in The Book of Life.
The Book is a panoramic view of time and shows that God is in control and knows the trials and persecutions that would befall His. It is a Book that encourages steadfastness and holds out the hope Christians share.
The book does not contain those things you need to hear as it does not tell you as a non believer what to do to be saved. It is little wonder it is misunderstood by those who cannot so much as digest, understand and accept the simple gospel message.
I see many folks today argue over its meaning which is a complete waste of time. Some pretty fantastic tales are spun from it in the minds of those outside of Christ.
Again the message we are to carry is simply the gospel.Those who reject it as written can never come to understand this Book.
I hope this helps.
Regards
JimmyK
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 397865
The book of Revelation is so out of place in the New Testament. It's the most interesting of all the books, comparable to Daniel...probably written by the same person, probably written by the woman that is painted on the grand old roof in Italy.
The book of Revelation is being unveiled right now...it hasn't been properly discerned until now...because everybody likes to bring their baggage with them when they read it. Forget the mythology for a moment and read it with new eyes and you will see the truth that is within.
The Revelation is a history piece, full to the brim with astrology and astronomy. Take for example the horse and the messiah type character upon it...this is Pegasus of astronomy and the Justice card from the Tarot...also reflected in the Sun card.
In March 2009, Venus which is the temple of the loving one, which is libra, which holds a sword and scales in the tarot will be sitting uopn the wings of Pegasus. And there's your Messiah with sword and justice riding a white horse to save mankind.
The whole of Revelation is like this, with either historical, astrological and astronomical references.
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