No, America was the "Great Satan" long before who you refer to as the "Bush zionists" came to power..
No, Zionism has been present in America since long before the current administration. I mean how do you think Iran is supposed to react when the US provided Hussein with financing and weapons including gas which he used on the Iranian people? Are they supposed to just be cool with that? Is Iran supposed to ignore all the times America has incited revolt in Iran, performed assassinations, coups, shot down their commercial airliners, sent their special ops across their borders (invasion) for who the hell knows what, and have just generally harassed and threatened all throughout those decades?
Are they supposed to love America? Really?
And don't even act like Bush is the only person in this country who has ever acted in the interests of Zionism. Israel got their nuclear weapons from the US, Israel has been a major US ally since its founding. Israel has had its lobby groups and what not here influencing things since the beginning, has had its citizens and associates here running these show both directly and indirectly since the beginning.
The US government, the Israeli government, and Zionists have been at Iran's throat for such a very long time now. So please, please spare yourself the humiliation of suggesting that Bush is the beginning of Zionism in America.
Quoting: kits
Do you seriously think you're "humiliating" me with your apologist drivel? You obviously don't know me. As you said, Israel has been allied with the United States for a very long time - thanks mainly to the fact that it's one of the only functional democracies in the Middle East. Israel shares VALUES with the west, that is why it gets western support, and not just from the US. The Iranian mullah regime is a brutal, oppressive theocracy - with major ambitions for regional dominance..
For the record MANY, MANY countries - INCLUDING IRAN, lobby the American government. Obviously, Israel does it better than most - they do almost anything better than most.. "It may be that your whole purpose in life is to serve as a warning to others."
Anon
Anonymous Coward User ID: 472298 7/23/2008 2:05 PM
Re: IRAN: A signal the mullah regime may be ready to fold on the nuke issue
No, America was the "Great Satan" long before who you refer to as the "Bush zionists" came to power..
No, Zionism has been present in America since long before the current administration. I mean how do you think Iran is supposed to react when the US provided Hussein with financing and weapons including gas which he used on the Iranian people? Are they supposed to just be cool with that? Is Iran supposed to ignore all the times America has incited revolt in Iran, performed assassinations, coups, shot down their commercial airliners, sent their special ops across their borders (invasion) for who the hell knows what, and have just generally harassed and threatened all throughout those decades?
Are they supposed to love America? Really?
Quoting: kits
There ya go...reason enouh for me to not trust them with the bomb.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 376874 7/23/2008 2:07 PM
Re: IRAN: A signal the mullah regime may be ready to fold on the nuke issue
Iran has nothing against Israeli people or American people. Iran just doesn't agree with the two what they call 'zionist' governments. Iran wouldn't hurt innocent Israeli or American civilians though so we have nothing to worry about.
Do you seriously think you're "humiliating" me with your apologist drivel? You obviously don't know me. As you said, Israel has been allied with the United States for a very long time - thanks mainly to the fact that it's one of the only functional democracies in the Middle East. Israel shares VALUES with the west, that is why it gets western support, and not just from the US. The Iranian mullah regime is a brutal, oppressive theocracy - with major ambitions for regional dominance..
For the record MANY, MANY countries - INCLUDING IRAN, lobby the American government. Obviously, Israel does it better than most - they do almost anything better than most..
Quoting: Grizzled Old Goat
No, you would've been humiliating yourself had you continued to claim that Bush was the beginning of Zionism. Let's not put words in each others mouths. Other than that, you acknowledged Israel has great influence on America. Beyond that, was just propaganda insinuating that Israel is this great, noble democracy while Iran is this evil dictatorship. As that's speculation, what're you wanting me to reply? "Nu uh" ..? Regardless of whether or not you wanna try to be slick and slide away from the topic, what you're talking about now isn't the point of discussion.
The topic is the USA and ISR governments and elites attacking, destabilizing and threatening Iran, both directly and indirectly. That explains Iran stating that it's not enemies with the American or Israeli general population, and those actions justify all actions Iran has taken to date and more. TPTB can't just create these wild claims, do the things they're doing, and think it justifies their actions against Iran, or think Iran isn't justified in retaliating in return. You mess with Iran, they mess with you back. Fair game.
And who am I apologizing for? Iran nor does anyone advocating they be left lone need to apologize for that country or its people. They are being wronged, they aren't perpetrating the wrong-doing. It is TPTB who should be apologizing for their deeds if anyone. But of course, they wouldn't ever. Because it's just business and pleasure, and they don't give a damn how anyone feels about it. AIM:kits56fa2
No, America was the "Great Satan" long before who you refer to as the "Bush zionists" came to power..
No, Zionism has been present in America since long before the current administration. I mean how do you think Iran is supposed to react when the US provided Hussein with financing and weapons including gas which he used on the Iranian people? Are they supposed to just be cool with that? Is Iran supposed to ignore all the times America has incited revolt in Iran, performed assassinations, coups, shot down their commercial airliners, sent their special ops across their borders (invasion) for who the hell knows what, and have just generally harassed and threatened all throughout those decades?
Are they supposed to love America? Really?
There ya go...reason enouh for me to not trust them with the bomb.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 472298
Because America and Israel has been committing those incredibly terrible and damning acts for decades, yes? You don't trust them with nuclear weapons, because you fear they might decide to defend themselves? So of course, let's just wrong them further by striking them, that's the solution right. The solution isn't "leave them alone finally," it's "fuck with them more." That's sort've like gangs pushing to make all firearms illegal because they know they already have theirs and can get more, and know that a disarmed population against them while they're armed would be very beneficial for them.
I'm not sure if you were being sarcastic at all, but if not, that's a really messed up way of handling the situation. How about America and Israel be good guys for once? AIM:kits56fa2
Anonymous Coward User ID: 472276 7/23/2008 2:37 PM
Re: IRAN: A signal the mullah regime may be ready to fold on the nuke issue
A BRIEF HISTORY OF IRANIAN JEWS
(Continued)
By Massoume Price
The next major change comes with the Safavids in 16th century. Shiism is introduced as the state religion. A religious hierarchy is established with unlimited power and influence in every sphere of life. The concept of "ritual pollution" (najes) of the non-Muslims is introduced. Suffering and persecution of all religious groups particularly the Sunnis becomes a norm (this period is one of the worst with respect to human rights in Iran).
Jewish chronicles are full of accounts of massacre, forced conversion into Islam and mistreatment. New institutions are created; nasi became the head of the Jewish community assisted by the rabbi, mullah (Jewish one), or dayyan. The nasi was responsible for the prompt payment of jizya to local authorities. All relations between Iranian Jews and others outside the country were completely severed. Christians and Zoroastrians were subjected to the same harsh treatments and Sunnis suffered most. Segregation became a reality again for all minorities and Jewish Ghettos were reinforced. The reports by European travelers and missionaries describe the tragic situation of the Jews and other religious minorities. Jews were forced to wear both a yellow badge and a headgear, and their oath were not accepted in courts of justice. A Jew who converted to Islam could claim to be the sole inheritor of the family property, to the exclusion of all Jewish relatives. If one Jew committed a crime or an illegal act, the whole community would be punished (other religious minorities were subjected to the same harsh treatments).
The Jewish community of Iran saw little change till 19th century. In one incident the Jewish quarters were looted in Mashad. The anti Jewish sentiment reached its peak when the whole Jewish community in the city was forced to convert into Islam in 1839 under Muhammad Shah Quajar. Europeans intervened for the first time and the decree was reversed. The first modern
Jewish School, Alliance was opened after a long and frustrating debate with heavy pressure from Europeans and the International Jewish Alliance in 1891 by an order from Nasser E' din Shah. Once opened, the students and the teachers would have to be escorted by the police to stop the mob from attacking them (All modern schools specially girls' schools were subjected to the same attacks by religious Fatwas). Jewish chronicles report Quajar period as one of the worst in their history.
The end of the 19th century is the beginning of fundamental changes in Iran and the start of the Constitutional Revolution. Jewish partisans along with other minorities participated in the movement. They were instrumental in forming the first multiethnic Secret Society of 1905, which began the debate on political change. Jews, Christians, Bahai and Zoroastrians fought hard with the constitutionalists to form a National Consultative Majlis instead of an Islamic Majlis as demanded by the religious hierarchy. Along with other religious minorities they succeeded in their efforts to ratify laws that gave equality to Muslim and non-Muslim (male) citizens in 1907 and defined a new concept of Nationality not based on religious origins (with the exception of Bahai who were not recognized).
According to the new constitution Jews, Christians and Zoroastrians had the right to elect one delegate each to the Majlis, but they could not participate in elections of other delegates. The constitution also prohibited non-Shiite Muslims from becoming a member of the Government. This was ignored by the Phahlavi regime and there were non-Muslim high government officials even Bahai by the 1970's.
Such gains did not put an end to discriminatory practices and attitudes. Jewish quarters were still attacked and looted in Mashad, Tabriz and Tehran at the beginning of this century by religious Fatwas. Though the constitution of 1907 put an end to the segregation of religious minorities and Jewish Ghettos, it was at the time of Reza Shah that they were able to integrate in the larger Iranian society without fear from Fatwas.
Reza Shah was the first Iranian Monarch after 1400 years that paid respect to the Jews by praying to the Torah and bowing in front of it, when visiting the Jewish community of Isfahan. An act that boasted the self-esteem of the Iranian Jews and made Reza Shah the second most respected Iranian leader after Cyrus the Great. Still when in the 1970's, they showed up to support the Iranian Football team against Israel in the Asian games in Tehran, they were beaten up by the mob and the Iranian flags they were carrying were taken away.
In 1948, there was a high concentration of Jewish communities in Kurdistan. There were around 12,000 Jews scattered in approximately 15 Jewish settlements in Iranian Kurdistan. After the formation of the State of Israel many Jews in the area left for Tehran, in transit to Israel. The move angered the Muslim authorities. In March 1950, 12 Jews were murdered in Kurdistan. As a result more Jews moved to Tehran and demanded protection. The Iranian government guaranteed their safe passage. By March 1951, 8000, Iranian Jews had moved to Israel, the first major emigration in 20th century. After the formation of Israel in 1949, all the Muslim countries in the region expelled their local Jewish population except Iran. By 1966, the number of Jews immigrated to Israel had reached 22,000.
Kanoun e Javanan Yahudi formed in 1938, was the first Jewish Youth Organization in Iran. The first Iranian Jewish women's organization (Sazman Banovan Yahud i Iran) was established in 1947. Headed by Mrs. Shamsi Hekmat, the organization provided help to the needy and established branches in several towns. The first Jewish hospital opened in Tehran in 1958.
Since the conquest of Islam, Iranian Jews (and other religious minorities) have been instrumental in preserving Iranian music especially in Safavid times when music was restricted. Also many ancient rituals and traditions long forgotten by the Iranian Muslims are still practiced by the Jews as part of their festivals and celebrations. Illanout (tree festival) celebrated in February by Iranian Jews is identical to Shab e Cheleh and is a lot more elaborate, reminiscence of the pre Islamic celebrations.
In Iranian folklore, Jews are portrayed as mean, misery and polluted (Najes). Children were warned not to go to Jewish quarters because they would be kidnapped and Jews would drink their blood. They are used as stereotypes to portray evil characters by the likes of Mulana Jalaledin Rumi, Nezami, Sadi and many other literary figures. They could not touch water sources and when rained stayed in doors, since rain touching them would pollute the soil. At the times of persecution their water sources would be cut off.
The Jewish quarter of Kirman had preserved many characteristics of these segregated ghettos till recently. The lanes were extremely narrow, rarely more than five feet wide. The compound walls on either side were 10 to 12 feet high, with jagged glass and stone set in the top to discourage entry. Massive oaken doors strengthened by metal studs guarded the entrances to the houses. One had to stoop to enter the low portals since the height should be lower than the Muslim homes. These details were also designed to prevent mounted horsemen from effectively attacking its residents. All facilities necessary were inside the quarter. The synagogues bore no external symbols, so they were difficult to locate. All transaction with Jews would be through special intermediaries not to pollute Muslim tradesmen.
The Islamic Revolution of 1979, made Shariat the legal code and therefore gender and religious discriminations are an integral part of the system. Bahai once again are not recognized at all, Jews, Christians and Zoroastrians each have one representative in the Parliament and are not legally forbidden from employment in the government sector. But since the authorities only employ Muslims and a 'Shariat test' is required, in reality these people are once again barred from working for the government. Like Bahaies it was very difficult for them to leave Iran for a decade after the revolution and restrictions still apply. They are accepted into Universities, but are not given access to post graduate studies, though no law prohibits them. Their monetary transactions are monitored closely to make sure no money is sent out. There were 85000 Iranian Jews before 1979, almost half have emigrated mainly to USA. The largest exodus since Darius' time when 30,000 left joyfully to rebuild their temple. Their departure this time has not been a happy one!
Massoume Price
Anonymous Coward User ID: 472298 7/23/2008 2:39 PM
Re: IRAN: A signal the mullah regime may be ready to fold on the nuke issue
No, America was the "Great Satan" long before who you refer to as the "Bush zionists" came to power..
No, Zionism has been present in America since long before the current administration. I mean how do you think Iran is supposed to react when the US provided Hussein with financing and weapons including gas which he used on the Iranian people? Are they supposed to just be cool with that? Is Iran supposed to ignore all the times America has incited revolt in Iran, performed assassinations, coups, shot down their commercial airliners, sent their special ops across their borders (invasion) for who the hell knows what, and have just generally harassed and threatened all throughout those decades?
Are they supposed to love America? Really?
There ya go...reason enouh for me to not trust them with the bomb.
Because America and Israel has been committing those incredibly terrible and damning acts for decades, yes? You don't trust them with nuclear weapons, because you fear they might decide to defend themselves? So of course, let's just wrong them further by striking them, that's the solution right. The solution isn't "leave them alone finally," it's "fuck with them more." That's sort've like gangs pushing to make all firearms illegal because they know they already have theirs and can get more, and know that a disarmed population against them while they're armed would be very beneficial for them.
I'm not sure if you were being sarcastic at all, but if not, that's a really messed up way of handling the situation. How about America and Israel be good guys for once?
Quoting: kits
I never said to strike them. It appears the sanctions are working nicely. Iran as a nation would probably never use nuclear weapons offensively, but I have no doubt that some fanatic could let some plans and uranium slip into another fanatic's hands. You may be willing to sarifice a city or two to look like the good guys, I am not.
I never said to strike them. It appears the sanctions are working nicely. Iran as a nation would probably never use nuclear weapons offensively, but I have no doubt that some fanatic could let some plans and uranium slip into another fanatic's hands. You may be willing to sarifice a city or two to look like the good guys, I am not.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 472298
So you still want to harass them and cause problems for them then? Why? And who are these 'fanatics' you talk about? Are you talking about the people who keep saying "don't attack us" and "leave us alone" ..?
And now I want to sacrifice cities? How'd you manage that conclusion? Because I'm pointing out how malevolent and deceitful Irans enemy (US/ISR gov and elite) is, that means I want to "sacrifice cities?" I'm not calling for anything even remotely resembling that, nor is Iran. Iran wants to be left alone, and allowed to grow and prosper in a peaceful atmosphere. And that makes them fanatics, who want to sacrifice cities, and the "bad guys?"
C'mon now. You can't call for attacks and/or harassment against a people based on nothing. What's your reasons? Where's your evidence? Or is it really just "they're wrong and we're right," and that's that? Because I think you'll lose that argument if so, due to the reasons you quoted from me, and the fact that Iran hasn't attacked anyone in hundreds of years. AIM:kits56fa2
Anonymous Coward User ID: 472298 7/23/2008 2:54 PM
Re: IRAN: A signal the mullah regime may be ready to fold on the nuke issue
So you still want to harass them and cause problems for them then? Why? And who are these 'fanatics' you talk about? Are you talking about the people who keep saying "don't attack us" and "leave us alone" ..?
Quoting: kits
No, I am talking about the 'fanatics' that chant 'Death to America' and 'Death to Israel'. The ones that strap bombs to children, the ones that say 'The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the
rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him.'
I never said to strike them. It appears the sanctions are working nicely. Iran as a nation would probably never use nuclear weapons offensively, but I have no doubt that some fanatic could let some plans and uranium slip into another fanatic's hands. You may be willing to sarifice a city or two to look like the good guys, I am not.
So you still want to harass them and cause problems for them then? Why? And who are these 'fanatics' you talk about? Are you talking about the people who keep saying "don't attack us" and "leave us alone" ..?
And now I want to sacrifice cities? How'd you manage that conclusion? Because I'm pointing out how malevolent and deceitful Irans enemy (US/ISR gov and elite) is, that means I want to "sacrifice cities?" I'm not calling for anything even remotely resembling that, nor is Iran. Iran wants to be left alone, and allowed to grow and prosper in a peaceful atmosphere. And that makes them fanatics, who want to sacrifice cities, and the "bad guys?"
C'mon now. You can't call for attacks and/or harassment against a people based on nothing. What's your reasons? Where's your evidence? Or is it really just "they're wrong and we're right," and that's that? Because I think you'll lose that argument if so, due to the reasons you quoted from me, and the fact that Iran hasn't attacked anyone in hundreds of years.
Quoting: kits
You are conveniently forgetting Hamas and Hizballah - AGAIN
"It may be that your whole purpose in life is to serve as a warning to others."
Anon
Anonymous Coward User ID: 472375 7/23/2008 3:05 PM
Re: IRAN: A signal the mullah regime may be ready to fold on the nuke issue
No, I am talking about the 'fanatics' that chant 'Death to America' and 'Death to Israel'. The ones that strap bombs to children, the ones that say 'The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the
rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him.'
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 472298
So you're talking about the people who're extremely tired of being fucked with, and who're damn sure ready to defend themselves if attacked. But beyond that, are harmless. Leave them alone, and they leave you alone. You can't instigate a fight, and commit acts of aggression including attacks, and expect them to just lay down and take it up the ass.
They're scared the US/ISR gov and elite. They're tired of the constant barrage of bullshit. Leave them alone and they'll leave you alone. But don't pretend their anger and hostility is an excuse, when it's a direct result of TPTB's previous and current doings.
Iran doesn't want to fight. Iran wants to be left alone. If that wasn't the case, there would already be war, and they would've been the first to through the first official blow.
Leave Iran alone. Stop harassing them. Stop attacking them. Then they won't be so angry, and you won't have to be so scared of them. AIM:kits56fa2
You are conveniently forgetting Hamas and Hizballah - AGAIN
Quoting: Grizzled Old Goat
You're talking about organizations which are retaliating. Iran wasn't supporting them until US and ISR began messing with Iran. Don't start no shit, won't be no shit.
Besides, you're conveniently forgetting the myriad acts of aggression US and ISR has committed against Iran. In which, US and ISR STARTED it, and continues to refuse to relent, and continues to make up these poor, easily debunkable excuses for their malevolent actions.
US and ISR commits terrorism against Iran, but Iran isn't allow to engage in terrorism against the US and ISR? Why? AIM:kits56fa2
Anonymous Coward User ID: 472298 7/23/2008 3:09 PM
Re: IRAN: A signal the mullah regime may be ready to fold on the nuke issue
No, I am talking about the 'fanatics' that chant 'Death to America' and 'Death to Israel'. The ones that strap bombs to children, the ones that say 'The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the
rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him.'
So you're talking about the people who're extremely tired of being fucked with, and who're damn sure ready to defend themselves if attacked. But beyond that, are harmless. Leave them alone, and they leave you alone. You can't instigate a fight, and commit acts of aggression including attacks, and expect them to just lay down and take it up the ass.
They're scared the US/ISR gov and elite. They're tired of the constant barrage of bullshit. Leave them alone and they'll leave you alone. But don't pretend their anger and hostility is an excuse, when it's a direct result of TPTB's previous and current doings.
Iran doesn't want to fight. Iran wants to be left alone. If that wasn't the case, there would already be war, and they would've been the first to through the first official blow.
Leave Iran alone. Stop harassing them. Stop attacking them. Then they won't be so angry, and you won't have to be so scared of them.
Quoting: kits
Nope, I'm talking about religious fanatics intent on a worldwide caliphate.
It was Ahmadinejad that said "Islam is ready to rule the world".
Iran has nothing against Israeli people or American people. Iran just doesn't agree with the two what they call 'zionist' governments. Iran wouldn't hurt innocent Israeli or American civilians though so we have nothing to worry about.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 376874
Yes of course, Iran LOVES the jewish people..
"It may be that your whole purpose in life is to serve as a warning to others."
Nope, I'm talking about religious fanatics intent on a worldwide caliphate.
It was Ahmadinejad that said "Islam is ready to rule the world".
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 472298
Wasn't it Bush Sr who said "A New World Order is coming into view" ..? It seems to me that America, Israel and their collective allies are doing a great deal more threatening, posturing and certainly is starting a great deal more wars - slaughtering of millions. I'd say you're pretty safe from being ruled by Iran. But Iran and all other smaller nations which aren't beneficial to TPTB are at great risk of being dominated by US/ISR.
If either side is likely to go on a merciless rampage for which to further its interests and dominate the world, it's US/ISR - as they're already in the process of it. AIM:kits56fa2
Anonymous Coward User ID: 472298 7/23/2008 3:22 PM
Re: IRAN: A signal the mullah regime may be ready to fold on the nuke issue
Iran has nothing against Israeli people or American people. Iran just doesn't agree with the two what they call 'zionist' governments. Iran wouldn't hurt innocent Israeli or American civilians though so we have nothing to worry about.
Yes of course, Iran LOVES the jewish people..
Quoting: Grizzled Old Goat
There's 25,000 Jews living in Iran, you silly twit. And they wouldn't move to Israel if you paid them.
· Expats offer families £30,000 to emigrate
· Our identity is not for sale, say community leaders
Robert Tait in Tehran
guardian.co.uk, Thursday July 12, 2007
Article history
The following correction was printed in the Guardian's Corrections and clarifications column, Saturday July 28 2007
In the article below we reported that last year President Ahmadinejad said (quoting the late Ayatollah Khomeini) that Israel should be "wiped off the map". A more literal translation of the statement he made in 2005, at The World without Zionism conference in Tehran, is "the regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time".
Iran's Jews have given the country a loyalty pledge in the face of cash offers aimed at encouraging them to move to Israel, the arch-enemy of its Islamic rulers.
The incentives — ranging from £5,000 a person to £30,000 for families — were offered from a special fund established by wealthy expatriate Jews in an effort to prompt a mass migration to Israel from among Iran's 25,000-strong Jewish community. The offers were made with Israel's official blessing and were additional to the usual state packages it provides to Jews emigrating from the diaspora.
However, the Society of Iranian Jews dismissed them as "immature political enticements" and said their national identity was not for sale.
"The identity of Iranian Jews is not tradeable for any amount of money," the society said in a statement. "Iranian Jews are among the most ancient Iranians. Iran's Jews love their Iranian identity and their culture, so threats and this immature political enticement will not achieve their aim of wiping out the identity of Iranian Jews."
The Israeli newspaper Ma'ariv reported that the incentives had been doubled after earlier offers of £2,500 a head failed to attract any Iranian Jews to leave for Israel.
Iran's sole Jewish MP, Morris Motamed, said the offers were insulting and put the country's Jews under pressure to prove their loyalty.
"It suggests the Iranian Jew can be encouraged to emigrate by money," he said. "Iran's Jews have always been free to emigrate and three-quarters of them did so after the revolution but 70% of those went to America, not Israel."
Iran's Jewish population has dwindled from around 80,000 at the time of the 1979 Islamic revolution but remains the largest of any country in the Middle East apart from Israel. Jews have lived in Iran since at least 700BC.
Hostility between Iran's Islamic government and Israel means Iranian Jews are often subject to official mistrust and scrutiny. In 2000 10 Jews in the southern city of Shiraz were jailed for spying for Israel, which Iran refuses to recognise.
A Jewish businessman, Ruhollah Kadkhodah-Zadeh, was hanged in 1998, apparently for allegedly helping Jews to emigrate.
Jews generally avoid political controversy, but Mr Motamed wrote a letter of protest to Iran's president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, last year after he called the Holocaust "a myth". Mr Ahmadinejad had earlier said that Israel should be "wiped off the map".
Jews are free to practise their religion and have their own schools, although they are forced to open on Saturdays, the Jewish sabbath.
Despite the absence of diplomatic ties with Israel, Iranian Jews frequently go there to visit relatives.
Apparently, there are some Jews that do not worship the Almighty Shekel.
There's 25,000 Jews living in Iran, you silly twit. And they wouldn't move to Israel if you paid them.
Apparently, there are some Jews that do not worship the Almighty Shekel.
Strange but true.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 472375
25,000 out of 65,000,000? Perfect! Just enough for propaganda fodder - not enough that you would even notice them. I have more jews than that living on my street!
Oh, and you're a racist asshole.. "It may be that your whole purpose in life is to serve as a warning to others."
Anon
Anonymous Coward User ID: 437732 7/23/2008 3:49 PM
Re: IRAN: A signal the mullah regime may be ready to fold on the nuke issue
There's 25,000 Jews living in Iran, you silly twit. And they wouldn't move to Israel if you paid them.
Apparently, there are some Jews that do not worship the Almighty Shekel.
Strange but true.
25,000 out of 65,000,000? Perfect! Just enough for propaganda fodder - not enough that you would even notice them. I have more jews than that living on my street!
Oh, and you're a racist asshole..
Quoting: Grizzled Old Goat
I have more jews than that living on my street!
Geez...
When other people aren't locking them up in ghettos, they lock THEMSELVES up in ghettos.
It's no wonder you people are so wierd. You live all sealed up by yourselves, and feed on each other's paranoia.
Obviously, "diversity" is not a Jewish thang.
Even thought they constantly try to force it down everyone else's throats.
There's 25,000 Jews living in Iran, you silly twit. And they wouldn't move to Israel if you paid them.
Apparently, there are some Jews that do not worship the Almighty Shekel.
Strange but true.
25,000 out of 65,000,000? Perfect! Just enough for propaganda fodder - not enough that you would even notice them. I have more jews than that living on my street!
Oh, and you're a racist asshole..
I have more jews than that living on my street!
Geez...
When other people aren't locking them up in ghettos, they lock THEMSELVES up in ghettos.
It's no wonder you people are so wierd. You live all sealed up by yourselves, and feed on each other's paranoia.
Obviously, "diversity" is not a Jewish thang.
Even thought they constantly try to force it down everyone else's throats.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 437732
That's one of those far-left anti-semetic talking points that has NO basis in reality - just like most of your idiotic arguments. Show me ONE example of jews forcing "diversity" down your throat - I'll wait. "It may be that your whole purpose in life is to serve as a warning to others."
Anon
Anonymous Coward User ID: 472276 7/23/2008 4:03 PM
Re: IRAN: A signal the mullah regime may be ready to fold on the nuke issue
And now I want to sacrifice cities? How'd you manage that conclusion? Because I'm pointing out how malevolent and deceitful Irans enemy (US/ISR gov and elite) is, that means I want to "sacrifice cities?" I'm not calling for anything even remotely resembling that, nor is Iran. Iran wants to be left alone, and allowed to grow and prosper in a peaceful atmosphere. And that makes them fanatics, who want to sacrifice cities, and the "bad guys?"
Quoting: kits
“We do not worship Iran, we worship Allah. For patriotism is another name for paganism. I say let this land [Iran] burn. I say let this land go up in smoke, provided Islam emerges triumphant in the rest of the world.”
25,000 out of 65,000,000? Perfect! Just enough for propaganda fodder - not enough that you would even notice them. I have more jews than that living on my street!
Oh, and you're a racist asshole..
Quoting: Grizzled Old Goat
Calling him a "racist asshole" over that is like saying the same about someone who says "blacks tend to love basketball," "English tend to love tea," or "cats tend to have big eyes." If I said that, what would it make me? Racist, Nationist, and Speciesist? You're talking about a trait which is commonly found more-so in persons of the Jewish religion than any other. Do you disagree that there's a higher percentage of wealthy Jews than wealthy individuals of other religions? Do you disagree that persons of the Jewish religion tend to be more obsessed with their finances and overall acquisition of things and wealth than any other religion? Because I've known my fair share of Jewish people before, and a lot of others here have too. That stereotype didn't come out of nowhere - it was based on the fact that they tend to be more obsessed with wealth. He then is stating the obvious.
I personally wouldn't have stated that, as I try to forego generalizations as certainly not all Jews are obsessed with wealth. What's more: I don't care that they are. It doesn't matter. So it's not something I would think to comment on. But had I, it wouldn't make me anti-semitic. It would make me a blunt realist. Then of course I wouldn't say anything about "the jews" as it's not about Jewish in general, it's about Zionists and TPTB. The corrupt, the decadent, the immoral.
Racist asshole? You've got to be kidding me. I wasn't even aware that Jews were a race now. Besides, what are the main causes of the peoples issue with Iran?
Ignorance.
Sadism.
Racism.
Otherwise why can't you provide a valid argument for which to justify the attack on Iran which you're drooling over? You're fiending for some dead Iranians and a country in turmoil, and you have absolutely no problem with the terrorism conducted against it. What does that mean, Goat? What does that mean? You're aware of the situation, I've made you aware and your avoidance of it shows that you most certainly understand it at least well enough to know you're providing a bad argument. You've seen what I've said, and continually fail to justify yourself. So you're not ignorant. That leaves two options. Perhaps you fit in only one of those categories, perhaps you fit in both of them. Most likely both, considering racism and sadism tend to go hand in hand.
So you're racist against the Muslim people, and sadistic so the thought of them burning in napalm gets you off? Sure seems like that to me. I don't see how it could be anything else, actually. The only other option available is that your agenda is based on personal benefit so Iran burning would bring you wealth, power or opportunity of some sort. But you wouldn't be sitting here arguing all day about this if that was the case - because convincing me or anyone else in this thread wouldn't assist you there - it would be a waste of time. So then, it's conclusive isn't it. You're either sadistic, racist or a sadistic racist. Otherwise you wouldn't be slandering them, cheer leading those who wish to attack them.
You must be very proud of yourself. AIM:kits56fa2
Anonymous Coward User ID: 472298 7/23/2008 4:16 PM
Re: IRAN: A signal the mullah regime may be ready to fold on the nuke issue
“We do not worship Iran, we worship Allah. For patriotism is another name for paganism. I say let this land [Iran] burn. I say let this land go up in smoke, provided Islam emerges triumphant in the rest of the world.”
All you need to know about the Mullahs plan.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 472276
Those people don't exist, according to kits.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 464327 7/23/2008 4:21 PM
Re: IRAN: A signal the mullah regime may be ready to fold on the nuke issue
Iran has nothing against Israeli people or American people. Iran just doesn't agree with the two what they call 'zionist' governments. Iran wouldn't hurt innocent Israeli or American civilians though so we have nothing to worry about.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 376874
must be nice to live in cloud 9
Anonymous Coward User ID: 94240 7/23/2008 4:26 PM
Re: IRAN: A signal the mullah regime may be ready to fold on the nuke issue
why are people even arguing with gog? hes so narrow minded and thick. since he came to this forum he has always done the same thing and nothing new. You can also check one of his ocher accounts one is senor ding dong. And you can see he has no skill of arguing nor even bringing any relative facts none so ever. Just the usual "try to insult" "put pic here"
“We do not worship Iran, we worship Allah. For patriotism is another name for paganism. I say let this land [Iran] burn. I say let this land go up in smoke, provided Islam emerges triumphant in the rest of the world.”
All you need to know about the Mullahs plan.
Those people don't exist, according to kits.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 472298
Alright well I'll tell you what. When America and Israel gets rid of all their fundamentalists and religious fanatics themselves, these people who're calling for war after war, obsessing over "Armageddon" and all these things, then we can consider the quoted comments to be an issue. But as it is, you've got a lot of psychotic maniacs, complete religious screwballs, who're just begging for more bloodshed, who're just begging for the world to go to absolute chaos so their Jesus can come save them and terrorize their enemies.
Think about that comment. " We do not worship Iran, we worship Allah. Patriotism is another name for paganism." Sounds sort've like false idolatry doesn't it? Basically worshiping ones nation, when they're only allowed to worship their god?
"I say let this land [Iran] burn. I say let this land go up in smoke, provided Islam emerges triumphant in the rest of the world." You know, I'm pretty sure that all those religious nuts in America would have no problem with watching their country burn for its sins, for its abandoning 'god.' Especially, provided Christianity or Judaism survives and prevails. After all, "we are all servants before the lord" so we are here to ensure the "lord and masters" wishes, up to and including dying to ensure the "word of god" continues on or being blown away in a giant ball of fire for being bad people.
No? Doesn't sounds like some people you know in the west at all, huh? AIM:kits56fa2
Anonymous Coward User ID: 437732 7/23/2008 4:30 PM
Re: IRAN: A signal the mullah regime may be ready to fold on the nuke issue
There's 25,000 Jews living in Iran, you silly twit. And they wouldn't move to Israel if you paid them.
Apparently, there are some Jews that do not worship the Almighty Shekel.
Strange but true.
25,000 out of 65,000,000? Perfect! Just enough for propaganda fodder - not enough that you would even notice them. I have more jews than that living on my street!
Oh, and you're a racist asshole..
I have more jews than that living on my street!
Geez...
When other people aren't locking them up in ghettos, they lock THEMSELVES up in ghettos.
It's no wonder you people are so wierd. You live all sealed up by yourselves, and feed on each other's paranoia.
Obviously, "diversity" is not a Jewish thang.
Even thought they constantly try to force it down everyone else's throats.
That's one of those far-left anti-semetic talking points that has NO basis in reality - just like most of your idiotic arguments. Show me ONE example of jews forcing "diversity" down your throat - I'll wait.
Quoting: Grizzled Old Goat
Far Left Anti-Semetic Talking Point
Or FLASTP in acronym-speak
You people even have your own jargon for this crap, don'tcha. Amazing.
Anyway, since you only asked for ONE example, one is all you get.
The ADL's A WORLD OF DIFFERENCE® Institute (complete with registered trademark symbol, of course) is the leading provider of Diversity and Anti-Bias Training in the Occupied Territories (Western Command), formerly known as America.
25,000 out of 65,000,000? Perfect! Just enough for propaganda fodder - not enough that you would even notice them. I have more jews than that living on my street!
Oh, and you're a racist asshole..
Calling him a "racist asshole" over that is like saying the same about someone who says "blacks tend to love basketball," "English tend to love tea," or "cats tend to have big eyes."
(BLAH)
You must be very proud of yourself.
Quoting: kits
I couldn't disagree more. Jews being money obsessed is one of the key group of stereotypes that have contributed to systematic, savage racism (for lack of a better word - snork) and genocide throughout history. There have always been your type too - the softspoken pseudo-intellectuals who peer at this and proclaim that the haters are correct - but mean no harm. To compare that statement to "Blacks tend to like basketball" is patently ludicrous. Yes - I am proud of myself.. "It may be that your whole purpose in life is to serve as a warning to others."
Anon
Anonymous Coward User ID: 94240 7/23/2008 4:33 PM
Re: IRAN: A signal the mullah regime may be ready to fold on the nuke issue
25,000 out of 65,000,000? Perfect! Just enough for propaganda fodder - not enough that you would even notice them. I have more jews than that living on my street!
Oh, and you're a racist asshole..
Calling him a "racist asshole" over that is like saying the same about someone who says "blacks tend to love basketball," "English tend to love tea," or "cats tend to have big eyes."
(BLAH)
You must be very proud of yourself.
I couldn't disagree more. Jews being money obsessed is one of the key group of stereotypes that have contributed to systematic, savage racism (for lack of a better word - snork) and genocide throughout history. There have always been your type too - the softspoken pseudo-intellectuals who peer at this and proclaim that the haters are correct - but mean no harm. To compare that statement to "Blacks tend to like basketball" is patently ludicrous. Yes - I am proud of myself..
Quoting: Grizzled Old Goat
you cant be a racist against religious people dumbass...
jews has many colors, man you are stupid.
but you on the other hand IS a racist since you gladly show racist remarks against ARABS. Lol
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