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IRAN: A signal the mullah regime may be ready to fold on the nuke issue

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Grizzled Old Goat Subscriber
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7/23/2008 4:35 PM
Re: IRAN: A signal the mullah regime may be ready to fold on the nuke issueQuote

Obviously, "diversity" is not a Jewish thang.

Even thought they constantly try to force it down everyone else's throats.

yawn

That's one of those far-left anti-semetic talking points that has NO basis in reality - just like most of your idiotic arguments. Show me ONE example of jews forcing "diversity" down your throat - I'll wait.


Far Left Anti-Semetic Talking Point

Or FLASTP in acronym-speak

You people even have your own jargon for this crap, don'tcha. Amazing.

Anyway, since you only asked for ONE example, one is all you get.

[link to www.adl.org]

The ADL's A WORLD OF DIFFERENCE® Institute (complete with registered trademark symbol, of course) is the leading provider of Diversity and Anti-Bias Training in the Occupied Territories (Western Command), formerly known as America.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 437732


You seem surprised that the ADL would sponsor information to do with addressing anti-semitism...

ollysven
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 472430
7/23/2008 4:48 PM
Re: IRAN: A signal the mullah regime may be ready to fold on the nuke issueQuote

“We do not worship Iran, we worship Allah. For patriotism is another name for paganism. I say let this land [Iran] burn. I say let this land go up in smoke, provided Islam emerges triumphant in the rest of the world.”


All you need to know about the Mullahs plan.

Those people don't exist, according to kits.

Alright well I'll tell you what. When America and Israel gets rid of all their fundamentalists and religious fanatics themselves, these people who're calling for war after war, obsessing over "Armageddon" and all these things, then we can consider the quoted comments to be an issue. But as it is, you've got a lot of psychotic maniacs, complete religious screwballs, who're just begging for more bloodshed, who're just begging for the world to go to absolute chaos so their Jesus can come save them and terrorize their enemies.

Think about that comment. " We do not worship Iran, we worship Allah. Patriotism is another name for paganism." Sounds sort've like false idolatry doesn't it? Basically worshiping ones nation, when they're only allowed to worship their god?

"I say let this land [Iran] burn. I say let this land go up in smoke, provided Islam emerges triumphant in the rest of the world." You know, I'm pretty sure that all those religious nuts in America would have no problem with watching their country burn for its sins, for its abandoning 'god.' Especially, provided Christianity or Judaism survives and prevails. After all, "we are all servants before the lord" so we are here to ensure the "lord and masters" wishes, up to and including dying to ensure the "word of god" continues on or being blown away in a giant ball of fire for being bad people.

No? Doesn't sounds like some people you know in the west at all, huh?
 Quoting: kits

I knew you just couldn't admit that there are religious fanatics in Iran without pointing fingers at the west.

Iran is currently a theocracy, run by people just like the man quoted above. Thus, we witness the internal conflict they are currently having.
Anonymous Coward
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7/23/2008 4:51 PM
Re: IRAN: A signal the mullah regime may be ready to fold on the nuke issueQuote

Antisemitism is anything the Jews don't like.

(which seems to include pretty much everything except jew worship)
kits
User ID: 357079
7/23/2008 4:56 PM
Re: IRAN: A signal the mullah regime may be ready to fold on the nuke issueQuote

I couldn't disagree more. Jews being money obsessed is one of the key group of stereotypes that have contributed to systematic, savage racism (for lack of a better word - snork) and genocide throughout history. There have always been your type too - the softspoken pseudo-intellectuals who peer at this and proclaim that the haters are correct - but mean no harm. To compare that statement to "Blacks tend to like basketball" is patently ludicrous. Yes - I am proud of myself..
 Quoting: Grizzled Old Goat

It doesn't matter if the characteristic is hated. The fact is that they have a much higher amount of individuals which possess it. More Jews are obsessed with the acquisition of wealth and power than any other religion. A person isn't be prejudice simply because they're pointing our a common trait among a people.

Jews tend to love money. Blacks tend to love basketball. There isn't a difference. It's the same thing, except one of those traits is neutral (love of basketball) and the other trait is frowned upon, considered shallow and materialistic (love of money). Same thing, other than one of those common traits among those people, is considered shameful. Same thing. If you disagree, explain how they are different beyond what I have said here.

Nice "blah" though, again editing out what I have said. You couldn't point out any errors in my statement, so you censored it out, hoped your sadism and racism would be no further issue. But just like that individual who supported you and referred to Muslims as "Moslems" (which is derogatory), you both exhibbit racism and sadism. And that claim can't be combated, as it's obvious truth.

Finally, I'm sure you're quite proud of yourself. Racists and sadists tend to be. You can't admit you're wrong, you can't admit what you are - you ignore it, pretend you're right and pretend you're the good guy because that's what gives you your sense of superiority, and your sense and purposeless. It makes you feel better than others, more deserving than others. But don't worry, that's a trait often found among humans - it's called arrogance, short-sightedness, and denial. There's a great many like you, don't feel too bad. Not that you would.
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7/23/2008 4:59 PM
Re: IRAN: A signal the mullah regime may be ready to fold on the nuke issueQuote

I couldn't disagree more. Jews being money obsessed is one of the key group of stereotypes that have contributed to systematic, savage racism (for lack of a better word - snork) and genocide throughout history. There have always been your type too - the softspoken pseudo-intellectuals who peer at this and proclaim that the haters are correct - but mean no harm. To compare that statement to "Blacks tend to like basketball" is patently ludicrous. Yes - I am proud of myself..

It doesn't matter if the characteristic is hated. The fact is that they have a much higher amount of individuals which possess it. More Jews are obsessed with the acquisition of wealth and power than any other religion. A person isn't be prejudice simply because they're pointing our a common trait among a people.

Jews tend to love money. Blacks tend to love basketball. There isn't a difference. It's the same thing, except one of those traits is neutral (love of basketball) and the other trait is frowned upon, considered shallow and materialistic (love of money). Same thing, other than one of those common traits among those people, is considered shameful. Same thing. If you disagree, explain how they are different beyond what I have said here.

Nice "blah" though, again editing out what I have said. You couldn't point out any errors in my statement, so you censored it out, hoped your sadism and racism would be no further issue. But just like that individual who supported you and referred to Muslims as "Moslems" (which is derogatory), you both exhibbit racism and sadism. And that claim can't be combated, as it's obvious truth.

Finally, I'm sure you're quite proud of yourself. Racists and sadists tend to be. You can't admit you're wrong, you can't admit what you are - you ignore it, pretend you're right and pretend you're the good guy because that's what gives you your sense of superiority, and your sense and purposeless. It makes you feel better than others, more deserving than others. But don't worry, that's a trait often found among humans - it's called arrogance, short-sightedness, and denial. There's a great many like you, don't feel too bad. Not that you would.
 Quoting: kits


You've got THAT right..

D0gzzz
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Ronald Reagan
kits
User ID: 357079
7/23/2008 5:00 PM
Re: IRAN: A signal the mullah regime may be ready to fold on the nuke issueQuote

I knew you just couldn't admit that there are religious fanatics in Iran without pointing fingers at the west.

Iran is currently a theocracy, run by people just like the man quoted above. Thus, we witness the internal conflict they are currently having.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 472430

Hahaha! "We point fingers at Iran and wanna blow them away just as they point fingers at us and want to blow us away! How dare you not side with us!"

Please, get the fuck out've here. It's the same, there's no difference. Did you see how Iran's Mullah said the same thing the west's religious fanatics say? You did, but you don't care. Because "fuck Iran." "It's all about us!"

No dude. both sides are the same. Both sides are filled with religious fanatics who are absolutely insane and incredibly dangerous. Both sides. Like I said, when your side relieves itself of its myriad religious nuts, then you can start talking about Iran and its religious nuts. Until then, you're the same when it comes to religious psychotics.
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kits
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7/23/2008 5:07 PM
Re: IRAN: A signal the mullah regime may be ready to fold on the nuke issueQuote

You've got THAT right..
 Quoting: Grizzled Old Goat

Exactly. You couldn't refute my argument that the blacks/basketball is the same as jews/money. You couldn't comment on the obviousness of your sadism/racism. Finally, you acknowledge that your conscience isn't the least bit troubled by your hatred and lies.

All you could manage was some stupid picture. That was the best you could do. Pathetic.

Racism, lies, arrogance - all so very pathetic. The least you could do is admit you were wrong - at least that would be honorable. But no, you can't do that for the same damn reason that US/ISR can't leave Iran alone. Because you don't wanna, because it doesn't help you.

Iran has to be wrong and you have to be right, and you'd never admit that it was you who were wrong and Iran who was right. Not under any circumstances. Ever.

Great for you.
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Anonymous Coward
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7/23/2008 5:07 PM
Re: IRAN: A signal the mullah regime may be ready to fold on the nuke issueQuote

I knew you just couldn't admit that there are religious fanatics in Iran without pointing fingers at the west.

Iran is currently a theocracy, run by people just like the man quoted above. Thus, we witness the internal conflict they are currently having.

Hahaha! "We point fingers at Iran and wanna blow them away just as they point fingers at us and want to blow us away! How dare you not side with us!"

Please, get the fuck out've here. It's the same, there's no difference. Did you see how Iran's Mullah said the same thing the west's religious fanatics say? You did, but you don't care. Because "fuck Iran." "It's all about us!"

No dude. both sides are the same. Both sides are filled with religious fanatics who are absolutely insane and incredibly dangerous. Both sides. Like I said, when your side relieves itself of its myriad religious nuts, then you can start talking about Iran and its religious nuts. Until then, you're the same when it comes to religious psychotics.
 Quoting: kits

It is NOT the same. One nation is ruled by said fanatics, the other just watches them on tv and sends money like morons.

One nation's constitution clearly separates church from state, the other has no distinction between the two.

Bush won't be nuking Iran because it is God's will.
He may bomb their nuclear facilities because the majority of the western world agrees that a nuclear Iran is not to be trusted.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 465868
7/23/2008 5:11 PM
Re: IRAN: A signal the mullah regime may be ready to fold on the nuke issueQuote

You've got THAT right..

Exactly. You couldn't refuse my argument that the blacks/basketball is the same as jews/money. You couldn't comment on the obviousness of your sadism/racism. Finally, you acknowledge that your conscience isn't the least bit troubled by your hatred and lies.

All you could manage was some stupid picture. That was the best you could do. Pathetic.

Racism, lies, arrogance - all so very pathetic. The least you could do is admit you were wrong - at least that would be honorable. But no, you can't do that for the same damn reason that US/ISR can't leave Iran alone. Because you don't wanna, because it doesn't help you.

Iran has to be wrong and you have to be right, and you'd never admit that it was you who were wrong and Iran who was right. Not under any circumstances. Ever.

Great for you.
 Quoting: kits



Goat shagger is one jew that will never admit fault, nice of you to try Kits, most give up after a bombardment of assorted graphics....
kits
User ID: 357079
7/23/2008 5:22 PM
Re: IRAN: A signal the mullah regime may be ready to fold on the nuke issueQuote

It is NOT the same. One nation is ruled by said fanatics, the other just watches them on tv and sends money like morons.

One nation's constitution clearly separates church from state, the other has no distinction between the two.

Bush won't be nuking Iran because it is God's will.
He may bomb their nuclear facilities because the majority of the western world agrees that a nuclear Iran is not to be trusted.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 472430

Really? Because Bush said that he was doing "gods will" by invading Iraq. He's doing the work of "god" he thinks. He's commented on this many times. Also, the vast majority of American politicians and military commanders are Christian. They hold similar or identical beliefs to the religious fanatics. They will fight and die to protect the "word" of their perceived "god." Look how many American citizens call for not only attacks on Iran, but also to nuke Iran. Have you heard anything regarding the plans for attacking Iran? Several have called for nuclear "bunker busters." America is talking about starting a nuclear war, and you're going to come here and tell me that Iran is also talking about a nuclear war - but that it's totally different?

Because ..? It's not even about religion. It's about who's crazy enough to do what. America has already nuked another country. America nearly got it and Europe nuked in the sixties. America has been trotting the globe committing genocide. And some Mullah of Iran talking the same things that American citizens and leaders talk about, it's totally different?

No. Iran isn't more likely to nuke another country than the US is. Iran isn't more likely to be malevolent in their dealings with other countries than the US is. And no, the majority of the Western people don't want Iran to be attacked. Maybe the majority of Americans, but not the majority of the west and certainly not the majority of the world overall. Even if they did, that makes your position right? Especially considering how pumped full of propaganda and hatred so many of you are?

Iran isn't this evil regime of monsters which is more dangerous than the United States. Iran has in-fact proved itself to be LESS dangerous, LESS likely to preempt through their actions, inactions, and precedence.

Like I said, if you're so scared of Iran, then leave them alone. They don't want "a piece of America." They don't want to get themselves involved in a conflict like that; they don't want to get themselves blown away. Hence, Iran still being at peace with America despite the extreme amount of wrongdoings done to it. Leave them alone, stop threatening, harassing and attacking them, and they'll just go on involving themselves with their internal affairs, just as they have done since the nations founding. Let them be, and they will have no reason to attack you. Just stop rattling the bee hive and walk away.
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kits
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7/23/2008 5:37 PM
Re: IRAN: A signal the mullah regime may be ready to fold on the nuke issueQuote

Goat shagger is one jew that will never admit fault, nice of you to try Kits, most give up after a bombardment of assorted graphics....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 465868

Well I wasn't ever trying to convince Goat of anything. I was just trying to make my point, and to get the message out to anyone who hasn't heard it. It's becoming really sickening, and I mean I physically feel ill, seeing all this hate speech, all this propaganda, and seeing all these people falling for it and siding with it.

I figure we should all do our part, make an effort to debunk the propaganda and inform others from time to time. Goat just happened to be the person who gave me the ability to debate with them, to show the truth. I knew that he wasn't going to submit to reason and the facts. I just hoped others would recognize them, and have a change of view. Thanks though.

Anyway, I'm done with this thread. Anyone else wanting to spew your hatred and lies, have fun with that. Maybe someone else will correct you and if not, at least the thread got bumped, helping to get the message out.
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7/23/2008 5:38 PM
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Goat shagger is one jew that will never admit fault, nice of you to try Kits, most give up after a bombardment of assorted graphics....

Well I wasn't ever trying to convince Goat of anything. I was just trying to make my point, and to get the message out to anyone who hasn't heard it. It's becoming really sickening, and I mean I physically feel ill, seeing all this hate speech, all this propaganda, and seeing all these people falling for it and siding with it.

I figure we should all do our part, make an effort to debunk the propaganda and inform others from time to time. Goat just happened to be the person who gave me the ability to debate with them, to show the truth. I knew that he wasn't going to submit to reason and the facts. I just hoped others would recognize them, and have a change of view. Thanks though.
 Quoting: kits

rolleyes

Oh puhleeze...
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Grizzled Old Goat Subscriber
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7/23/2008 5:39 PM
Re: IRAN: A signal the mullah regime may be ready to fold on the nuke issueQuote

Goat shagger is one jew that will never admit fault, nice of you to try Kits, most give up after a bombardment of assorted graphics....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 465868


I'm not jewish, you..

h0rs1e
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7/23/2008 5:42 PM
Re: IRAN: A signal the mullah regime may be ready to fold on the nuke issueQuote

It's becoming really sickening, and I mean I physically feel ill,
 Quoting: kits


Martyr's complex. That explains it.

chuckle
Anonymous Coward
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7/23/2008 5:45 PM
Re: IRAN: A signal the mullah regime may be ready to fold on the nuke issueQuote

Goat shagger is one jew that will never admit fault, nice of you to try Kits, most give up after a bombardment of assorted graphics....


I'm not jewish, you..
 Quoting: Grizzled Old Goat


No?

lmao

Just a bad liar....
Anonymous Coward
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7/23/2008 5:49 PM
Re: IRAN: A signal the mullah regime may be ready to fold on the nuke issueQuote

Anyone that doesn't trust the mullahs with the bomb just has to be jewish.
Anonymous Coward
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7/23/2008 5:54 PM
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Obama is also a Jew.

[link to www.ynetnews.com]
TX PATRIOT
User ID: 440969
7/23/2008 5:55 PM
Re: IRAN: A signal the mullah regime may be ready to fold on the nuke issueQuote

Study up! Iran is not exactly a good citizen in the community of nations. Iran was guilty of the US Embassy hostage crisis,
 Quoting: Grizzled Old Goat


Study up, indeed! Why do you continue to start Iranian history at the time of the hostage crisis?? Why? Well, it seems the most logical answer is because it serves to stir negative emotional sentiment - “look what they did to Americans!” – in drumming up support of a war agenda. You probably believe that people are too lazy to study factual history, but after getting burned with Iraq, I believe that strategy has surpassed the point of diminishing returns.

But if not, I, too, encourage others to study Iranian-US-British history starting with, oh, let's say, the early 1900s. Discover the reason/motivation for the hostage crisis. And, no, I am not apologizing or justifying the acts. I am, however, intelligent enough to want to understand the motives. Others should be as well instead of blindly following those who want to take us straight to WWWIII without a just purpose.

One can start here:

Brief time line history since 1900:

[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

Operation Ajax - the 1953 CIA and British Secret Intelligence Service coup d’etat against Iran’s democratically elected government, and specifically Muhammad Mossadeq, via covert operations.

[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]


engaged in a brutal war of attrition with Iraq in the 80's
 Quoting: Grizzled Old Goat


Attrition?? Engaged in? IRAQ invaded and waged war on Iran - with US backing and weaponry supply to Saddam - over land and religious disputes. Iran DEFENDED THEMSELVES. Yes, I am quite certain I would engage in defending myself in all ways possible if someone invaded my property and attacked me with the intent of taking control of my land.

1980-1988: Iran-Iraq war “began when Iraq invaded Iran on 22 September 1980 following a long history of border disputes and fears of Shia insurgency among Iraq's long suppressed Shia majority influenced by Iran's Islamic revolution. Although Iraq hoped to take advantage of revolutionary chaos in Iran and attacked without formal warning, they made only limited progress into Iran and within several months were repelled by the Iranians who regained virtually all lost territory by June 1982. For the next six years Iran was on the offensive. Despite several calls for a ceasefire by the United Nations Security Council, hostilities continued until 20 August 1988.”


…and have been the world's foremost sponsor of terrorism since the advent of the mullah regime under Khomeini.
 Quoting: Grizzled Old Goat


Given factual history, I personally believe that, outside of African states, Israel and Palestine are the world’s leaders in terrorism under the true definition of the word, not the new expanded version that seems to have morphed into including all acts of violence, speech and thoughts under the sun. But, that topic is definitely for another thread.

Additionally, the “advent of the mullah regime” was factually created as a result of a national referendum vote of the Iranian people that received a reported 98.2% support to make Iran an Islamic Republic after the people rose up in opposition to the brutal, Western installed Shah who ruled for over 25 years. I believe, under most accepted definitions, this would be considered a democratic vote of the people.


They have 2 active proxies making war on Israel, and causing havoc in Lebanon.
 Quoting: Grizzled Old Goat


And Israel receives support, money and weapons from the US, Britain and the EU. As I have presented to you previously: don't you think the world would be at constant war based proxies, i.e. who supports or funds who at any given time. Just review the history of the US. We supported Saddam but then we had to kill him and then take his country. We support(ed) Bin Laden and, then, well we had to make him a scapegoat. And it goes on and on ad nauseam.

Israel should pony up, take care of her own shit - some of it her own making - and fight her enemy who has directly attacked her: a just war. If it is Hamas, she should go conquer Hamas. But you want to blame her troubles on another country: childish. (Come to think of it, as an aside, has Israel EVER owned her own actions or the subsequent consequences to those actions?)

Hell, funny that Israel doesn't mind being supported, yes? How much has the US provide Israel for weapons technology? Israel certainly approves of such “proxy” behavior when she is on the right receiving end, yes?

GOG, you have never addressed the above questions.


They have threatened to destroy Israel and US interests in the ME...
 Quoting: Grizzled Old Goat


Threatened…Israel has threatened Iran; the US has threatened Iran; Iran has threatened Israel; US threatens Russia; Russia threatens the US; and that goes on ad nauseam as well. HELL…..my six year old nephew threatened his older brother this week. Did the six year old beat the shit out of the older? No. Did the older beat the shit out of the younger because of the threat…you know, that preemptive strike to put him in his place strategy? No.

Thankfully, these kids have a mature character, which is not something I can state about these war wankers. I don’t believe there are enough trees or digital storage space to document all the threats that have been thrown in this world, but, thankfully, most nations do not decide to start a WW based on verbal threats. Well, most anyway.


…all while developing nuclear weapons.. ..
 Quoting: Grizzled Old Goat


So old and such a weak argument….there is no proof of nuclear weaponry or the intent to build weaponry. And even it there was proof of intent, Israel has nukes but refuses to participate in international nuclear governance organizations. Why are they so hypocritical? Israel needs to clean up her own yard first.

And what about Paki nukes? Or Saudi nukes? Or India nukes? If it is about the combination of Islamic religious dictates and Muslim countries owning nukes, as many claim, then what about these countries? Are they next on the war list?


Do the math, and report back..
 Quoting: Grizzled Old Goat


GOG, I have conducted my due diligence, and the results do not add up to a justification in taking the world into WWWIII.

As I have stated in other threads, Iran hasn't attacked Israel or anyone else in 400 years. Yet you seem to support starting WWWIII for what you think is proxy – although Israel is guilty of the same. And for what you consider is terrorism – although, Israel is guilty of the same. And for what you imagine is a nuclear weaponry program – although, Israel is guilty of the same but worse. And for what you perceive as a threat on religious grounds – although Israel is quite guilty of the same. Not only Israel but also the US and the UK in many of the above points.

In summation of my entire post, Israel’s hypocrisy combined with a lack of any foundation for all presented arguments/justifications to take us into WWIII for her agenda is simply immature and immensely dangerous.

The part that really angers me, though, is that immature behavior has global consequences, and how dare Israel or any other country impose her/their shit on me or anyone else.


(I think I will put that last para into a signature line.)
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7/23/2008 5:57 PM
Re: IRAN: A signal the mullah regime may be ready to fold on the nuke issueQuote

Anyone that doesn't trust the mullahs with the bomb just has to be jewish.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 472430

*snicker*
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Ronald Reagan
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7/23/2008 6:28 PM
Re: IRAN: A signal the mullah regime may be ready to fold on the nuke issueQuote

Study up! Iran is not exactly a good citizen in the community of nations. Iran was guilty of the US Embassy hostage crisis,

Study up, indeed! Why do you continue to start Iranian history at the time of the hostage crisis?? Why? Well, it seems the most logical answer is because it serves to stir negative emotional sentiment - “look what they did to Americans!” – in drumming up support of a war agenda. You probably believe that people are too lazy to study factual history, but after getting burned with Iraq, I believe that strategy has surpassed the point of diminishing returns.

But if not, I, too, encourage others to study Iranian-US-British history starting with, oh, let's say, the early 1900s. Discover the reason/motivation for the hostage crisis. And, no, I am not apologizing or justifying the acts. I am, however, intelligent enough to want to understand the motives. Others should be as well instead of blindly following those who want to take us straight to WWWIII without a just purpose.

One can start here:

Brief time line history since 1900:

[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

Operation Ajax - the 1953 CIA and British Secret Intelligence Service coup d’etat against Iran’s democratically elected government, and specifically Muhammad Mossadeq, via covert operations.

[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]



engaged in a brutal war of attrition with Iraq in the 80's


Attrition?? Engaged in? IRAQ invaded and waged war on Iran - with US backing and weaponry supply to Saddam - over land and religious disputes. Iran DEFENDED THEMSELVES. Yes, I am quite certain I would engage in defending myself in all ways possible if someone invaded my property and attacked me with the intent of taking control of my land.

1980-1988: Iran-Iraq war “began when Iraq invaded Iran on 22 September 1980 following a long history of border disputes and fears of Shia insurgency among Iraq's long suppressed Shia majority influenced by Iran's Islamic revolution. Although Iraq hoped to take advantage of revolutionary chaos in Iran and attacked without formal warning, they made only limited progress into Iran and within several months were repelled by the Iranians who regained virtually all lost territory by June 1982. For the next six years Iran was on the offensive. Despite several calls for a ceasefire by the United Nations Security Council, hostilities continued until 20 August 1988.”



…and have been the world's foremost sponsor of terrorism since the advent of the mullah regime under Khomeini.

Given factual history, I personally believe that, outside of African states, Israel and Palestine are the world’s leaders in terrorism under the true definition of the word, not the new expanded version that seems to have morphed into including all acts of violence, speech and thoughts under the sun. But, that topic is definitely for another thread.

Additionally, the “advent of the mullah regime” was factually created as a result of a national referendum vote of the Iranian people that received a reported 98.2% support to make Iran an Islamic Republic after the people rose up in opposition to the brutal, Western installed Shah who ruled for over 25 years. I believe, under most accepted definitions, this would be considered a democratic vote of the people.


They have 2 active proxies making war on Israel, and causing havoc in Lebanon.

And Israel receives support, money and weapons from the US, Britain and the EU. As I have presented to you previously: don't you think the world would be at constant war based proxies, i.e. who supports or funds who at any given time. Just review the history of the US. We supported Saddam but then we had to kill him and then take his country. We support(ed) Bin Laden and, then, well we had to make him a scapegoat. And it goes on and on ad nauseam.

Israel should pony up, take care of her own shit - some of it her own making - and fight her enemy who has directly attacked her: a just war. If it is Hamas, she should go conquer Hamas. But you want to blame her troubles on another country: childish. (Come to think of it, as an aside, has Israel EVER owned her own actions or the subsequent consequences to those actions?)

Hell, funny that Israel doesn't mind being supported, yes? How much has the US provide Israel for weapons technology? Israel certainly approves of such “proxy” behavior when she is on the right receiving end, yes?

GOG, you have never addressed the above questions.



They have threatened to destroy Israel and US interests in the ME...

Threatened…Israel has threatened Iran; the US has threatened Iran; Iran has threatened Israel; US threatens Russia; Russia threatens the US; and that goes on ad nauseam as well. HELL…..my six year old nephew threatened his older brother this week. Did the six year old beat the shit out of the older? No. Did the older beat the shit out of the younger because of the threat…you know, that preemptive strike to put him in his place strategy? No.

Thankfully, these kids have a mature character, which is not something I can state about these war wankers. I don’t believe there are enough trees or digital storage space to document all the threats that have been thrown in this world, but, thankfully, most nations do not decide to start a WW based on verbal threats. Well, most anyway.


…all while developing nuclear weapons.. ..

So old and such a weak argument….there is no proof of nuclear weaponry or the intent to build weaponry. And even it there was proof of intent, Israel has nukes but refuses to participate in international nuclear governance organizations. Why are they so hypocritical? Israel needs to clean up her own yard first.

And what about Paki nukes? Or Saudi nukes? Or India nukes? If it is about the combination of Islamic religious dictates and Muslim countries owning nukes, as many claim, then what about these countries? Are they next on the war list?



Do the math, and report back..

GOG, I have conducted my due diligence, and the results do not add up to a justification in taking the world into WWWIII.

As I have stated in other threads, Iran hasn't attacked Israel or anyone else in 400 years. Yet you seem to support starting WWWIII for what you think is proxy – although Israel is guilty of the same. And for what you consider is terrorism – although, Israel is guilty of the same. And for what you imagine is a nuclear weaponry program – although, Israel is guilty of the same but worse. And for what you perceive as a threat on religious grounds – although Israel is quite guilty of the same. Not only Israel but also the US and the UK in many of the above points.

In summation of my entire post, Israel’s hypocrisy combined with a lack of any foundation for all presented arguments/justifications to take us into WWIII for her agenda is simply immature and immensely dangerous.

The part that really angers me, though, is that immature behavior has global consequences, and how dare Israel or any other country impose her/their shit on me or anyone else.


(I think I will put that last para into a signature line.)
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 Quoting: TX PATRIOT 440969



Where is your irrational counter goat shagger?
Anonymous Coward
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7/23/2008 6:31 PM
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the goat shagger is prolly fucking a goat atm, but he will return with calling everyone for anti-semite or racist. but he dosent even know what those words are because hes both of them. :)
Grizzled Old Goat Subscriber
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7/23/2008 7:31 PM
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the goat shagger is prolly fucking a goat atm, but he will return with calling everyone for anti-semite or racist. but he dosent even know what those words are because hes both of them. :)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 472467

brav01

Always a pleasure to be insulted by an illiterate..
I've noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born.

Ronald Reagan
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 437732
7/23/2008 9:38 PM
Re: IRAN: A signal the mullah regime may be ready to fold on the nuke issueQuote

the goat shagger is prolly fucking a goat atm, but he will return with calling everyone for anti-semite or racist. but he dosent even know what those words are because hes both of them. :)

:brav01:

Always a pleasure to be insulted by an illiterate..
 Quoting: Grizzled Old Goat


Notice how the "illiterates" don't have to use cheesy cartoons to make their points.
TX PATRIOT
User ID: 440969
7/23/2008 10:39 PM
Re: IRAN: A signal the mullah regime may be ready to fold on the nuke issueQuote

To where did GOG run off? No response...no discussion...not even a pic...nothing?

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Grizzled Old Goat Subscriber
Get off my land..
User ID: 472312
7/23/2008 10:40 PM
Re: IRAN: A signal the mullah regime may be ready to fold on the nuke issueQuote

the goat shagger is prolly fucking a goat atm, but he will return with calling everyone for anti-semite or racist. but he dosent even know what those words are because hes both of them. :)

brav01

Always a pleasure to be insulted by an illiterate..


Notice how the "illiterates" don't have to use cheesy cartoons to make their points.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 437732


Oh, I could spend all day typing up replies to the same ol' bunch of nitwits for the 1000th time - but a picture often crystalizes my thoughts perfectly..

:thbbt:
I've noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born.

Ronald Reagan
Grizzled Old Goat Subscriber
Get off my land..
User ID: 472312
7/23/2008 10:47 PM
Re: IRAN: A signal the mullah regime may be ready to fold on the nuke issueQuote

To where did GOG run off? No response...no discussion...not even a pic...nothing?

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 Quoting: TX PATRIOT 440969


To make a long story short - I disagree with virtually everything you have to say about Iran and the mullah regime. Why do you act as apologist for such a backward and violently oppressive regime? Do you admire their hatred for Israel - do you respect the way they use proxy rubes, children and Islamobrainwash victims to fight their battles, while they carefully guard their precious lives in Tehran? Do you think their treatment of women is admirable?

I suspect you just support the vile mullah government because you hate Israel too..

:rushd1e2:
I've noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born.

Ronald Reagan
TX PATRIOT
User ID: 440969
7/23/2008 11:02 PM
Re: IRAN: A signal the mullah regime may be ready to fold on the nuke issueQuote

To where did GOG run off? No response...no discussion...not even a pic...nothing?

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To make a long story short - I disagree with virtually everything you have to say about Iran and the mullah regime. Why do you act as apologist for such a backward and violently oppressive regime? Do you admire their hatred for Israel - do you respect the way they use proxy rubes, children and Islamobrainwash victims to fight their battles, while they carefully guard their precious lives in Tehran? Do you think their treatment of women is admirable?

I suspect you just support the vile mullah government because you hate Israel too..

:rushd1e2:
 Quoting: Grizzled Old Goat


GOG, I don't "support" anything but truth, something you seem to have a little trouble presenting. And, in this case, the hard truth is important to be shared or else manipulations will lead us to WWIII.

It doesn't matter to me if we are talking about Iran or Belize. And it doesn't matter if I or anyone other than the Iranian citizens agree or disagree with the manner in which that country is run. They are a sovereign country. Leave them alone. Stop poking the stick. And let them handle their own problems internally. There is no just reason under the current scenario to start another WW. Full stop.

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Anonymous Coward
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7/23/2008 11:16 PM
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Anyone that doesn't trust the mullahs with the bomb just has to be jewish.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 472430


Anyone who spends as much time promoting the hive as GOG does is either a member, or a paid stooge for them.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 472598
7/24/2008 12:35 AM
Re: IRAN: A signal the mullah regime may be ready to fold on the nuke issueQuote

There is no just reason under the current scenario to start another WW. Full stop.

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 Quoting: TX PATRIOT


That is of course why various nations would like to see Iran's nuclear facilities bombed - to stop WWIII

Iran is run by the Mullahs - whose proclaimed sacred 'mission' is to pave the way for the return of the 12th Immam, in order that Islam can conquer the world.

Khomeini clearly stated his willingness to sacrifice Iran in order to achieve this goal!

It is no use pretending that this is a private Iranian issue.
TX PATRIOT
User ID: 440969
7/24/2008 12:39 AM
Re: IRAN: A signal the mullah regime may be ready to fold on the nuke issueQuote

Anyone that doesn't trust the mullahs with the bomb just has to be jewish.


Anyone who spends as much time promoting the hive as GOG does is either a member, or a paid stooge for them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 437732



He always wants to morph the discussions of truth and fact into hatred and racism, when, in fact, that very repeated behavior indicates the position from which he most likely seems to be operating.

Sort-of sad really until you consider he is doing this to drum up global support of WWIII using false info, half truths and manipulations...and that is where I draw the line.

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