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BREAKING!!! in mainstream media, astronaut claims UFO coverup!!!

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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 472525
7/24/2008 7:31 PM
Re: BREAKING!!! in mainstream media, astronaut claims UFO coverup!!!Quote

The "aliens" are nothing more than the fallen angels spoken of in the Bible. Greys, reptilians, nordics, whatever caste of fallen angel they are...........
.......
or maybe...just maybe the fallen angels are nothing more than aliens!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 470988

yeah, now I feel we're getting closer!
RememberThis
User ID: 472997
7/24/2008 7:32 PM
Re: BREAKING!!! in mainstream media, astronaut claims UFO coverup!!!Quote

what are all you non believers goingg to do when the aliens reveal themselves ,when their spaceships land and they step onto the soil and greet you with the bible in their hand lol
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 404866


That would be just too cool :)
BriGuy
User ID: 467255
7/24/2008 7:34 PM
Re: BREAKING!!! in mainstream media, astronaut claims UFO coverup!!!Quote

the fallen angels are forever fallen? they couldn't come back to light? why not. that is a mystery to me.
fuck off
BriGuy
User ID: 467255
7/24/2008 7:34 PM
Re: BREAKING!!! in mainstream media, astronaut claims UFO coverup!!!Quote

could they not repent.

and if they could repent or w/e

why would they choose not to?

something seems clearly wrong
fuck off
GONG
User ID: 473014
7/24/2008 7:48 PM
Re: BREAKING!!! in mainstream media, astronaut claims UFO coverup!!!Quote

Hoh and now like any other eminent person who dared to talk let the discredit start!


Soon Mitchell will be labeled with every offensive thing, it happened in the past who know maybe times have changed to.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 473020
7/24/2008 7:54 PM
Re: BREAKING!!! in mainstream media, astronaut claims UFO coverup!!!Quote

right on, dr. mitchell, right on

Since I was old enough to remember, I've known that following must be true:

1) Ancient (and modern) people saw other "people" come down from the sky, do amazing things on earth, and leave. They wrote about it in ancient books.

2) The people who came from the sky came seemed to come from some other place that was not here. They seemed to how to get from there to here and could come back and forth.

3) There is an explanation for these comings and goings.

The above must be true.

So

Why not just come out with what is known even if it is incomplete? Hell, why not speculate?

Who benefits from the secrecy and ignorance and why is that so?



/did not read the whole thread, sorry if I'm creating an echo
Not fond of some christians
User ID: 357364
7/24/2008 7:54 PM
Re: BREAKING!!! in mainstream media, astronaut claims UFO coverup!!!Quote

The "aliens" are nothing more than the fallen angels spoken of in the Bible. Greys, reptilians, nordics, whatever caste of fallen angel they are, they are NOT to be trusted. They lie to humans and hate us because we were made in the image of the Almighty God, and the Bible says one day we will judge them. They can't stand this, that the children of the Almighty God will judge them, so they do everything within their power to distort the truth and destroy us and keep us from the saving power of Jesus Christ and the inheritance we have through Him. And the only reason they haven't completely destroyed us/earth so far is because they can do nothing outside the will of the Almighty God. They do nothing but kill, steal, and destroy, which is probably what they did to the earth originally before Adam and Eve were created, because the Bible says 2And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Don't believe their lies! Even those who work closely with them admit to their penchant for lying. They know their time of judgment is approaching very, very soon, so you can expect them to ratchet up the deception. Shortly, they will be bound for a thousand years, along with all the wicked nephilim spirits, while on earth we have this blessed assurance: Now it will come about that In the last days, The mountain of the house of the Lord Will be established as the chief of the mountains, And will be raised above the hills; And all the nations will stream to it. And many peoples will come and say, 'Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, To the house of the God of Jacob; That He may teach us concerning His ways, And that we may walk in His paths.' For the law will go forth from Zion, And the word of the Lord from Jerusalem. And He will judge between the nations, And will render decisions for many peoples; And they will hammer their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, And never again will they learn war. Come, house of Jacob, and let us walk in the light of the Lord." (Isaiah 2:1-5).



or maybe...just maybe the fallen angels are nothing more than aliens!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 470988

Oh no, not another one!
GONG
User ID: 473014
7/24/2008 7:57 PM
Re: BREAKING!!! in mainstream media, astronaut claims UFO coverup!!!Quote

Michelle and all of the right wing Christian nut-jobs that infect this forum are probably the very reason disclosure hasn't happened sooner. We can't scare the unevolved too fast ... heaven forbid!

The Universe is probably teaming with life and the Christian arrogants still think they are so damn special. They want the Universe all to themselves. Holy dumb as a post, Batman!!!!


Religion is slowing down the process?

Really?

So you're telling me that the reason why people have not been exposed to the truth about UFOs is because of religious zealots?

That is the most preposterous supposition I've ever heard.


The process is slowed down because of full spectrum censorship.

That and psychological control because of fear of being labeled schizophrenic and mentally ill.


People just love making religion a scapegoat for everything.
 Quoting: ATTC



IN fact just recently even the Vatican admitted of the very likely existance of other beings in space, but the scientific world quickly denied, so I dont think religion is the reason of this cover up or at least not anymore.
AC25
User ID: 472980
7/24/2008 8:09 PM
Re: BREAKING!!! in mainstream media, astronaut claims UFO coverup!!!Quote

Link to free download of Roswell Alien Interview book.

www.theparacast.com


Highly recommended 5a 5a 5a
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 473028
7/24/2008 8:13 PM
Re: BREAKING!!! in mainstream media, astronaut claims UFO coverup!!!Quote

Obama is an alien sent to earth to take over the U.S. presidency and then the WORLD jeje....What the hell do i care about what a 70 something year old senile old man said about aliens.

5a
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 425250
7/24/2008 8:38 PM
Re: BREAKING!!! in mainstream media, astronaut claims UFO coverup!!!Quote

SO WE MUST NOW PRESSURE DR. MICHELL TO COME CLEAN AND TELL US ALL HE KNOWS.

I WANT TO KNOW THE NATURE OF THE CONTACTS, AND WHAT WAS DISCUSSED. I AM SURE DR. MITCHELL KNOWS.


SO WE NEED TO FAX, CALL, TELEPHONE AND ASK DR. MITCHELL TO FILL IN THE DETAILS. THANK YOU!!
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 425250
7/24/2008 8:46 PM
Re: BREAKING!!! in mainstream media, astronaut claims UFO coverup!!!Quote

SO WE MUST NOW PRESSURE DR. MICHELL TO COME CLEAN AND TELL US ALL HE KNOWS.

I WANT TO KNOW THE NATURE OF THE CONTACTS, AND WHAT WAS DISCUSSED. I AM SURE DR. MITCHELL KNOWS.


SO WE NEED TO FAX, CALL, TELEPHONE AND ASK DR. MITCHELL TO FILL IN THE DETAILS. THANK YOU!!
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 425250
7/24/2008 8:46 PM
Re: BREAKING!!! in mainstream media, astronaut claims UFO coverup!!!Quote

SO WE MUST NOW PRESSURE DR. MICHELL TO COME CLEAN AND TELL US ALL HE KNOWS.

I WANT TO KNOW THE NATURE OF THE CONTACTS, AND WHAT WAS DISCUSSED. I AM SURE DR. MITCHELL KNOWS.


SO WE NEED TO FAX, CALL, TELEPHONE AND ASK DR. MITCHELL TO FILL IN THE DETAILS. THANK YOU!!
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 457129
7/24/2008 8:54 PM
Re: BREAKING!!! in mainstream media, astronaut claims UFO coverup!!!Quote

An unimpeachable source and what I believe is the MOST important UFO interview to date.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 457129
7/24/2008 8:57 PM
Re: BREAKING!!! in mainstream media, astronaut claims UFO coverup!!!Quote

Obama is an alien sent to earth to take over the U.S. presidency and then the WORLD jeje....What the hell do i care about what a 70 something year old senile old man said about aliens.

5a
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 473028



You sir, are an ass.

This man went on a very high risk mission to the moon. He is a national hero and a national treasure.

He has dedicated his life in service to America, and is an unimpeachable and credible source!
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 473037
7/24/2008 9:13 PM
Re: BREAKING!!! in mainstream media, astronaut claims UFO coverup!!!Quote

Actually, when you think about it, it becomes clear that the government of this world is incapable of covering up the presence of the aliens without the aliens cooperation. With the superior technology that these "beings" possess they could easily end any government coverup, and our government couldn't do anything to stop it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 472854

You have eyes to see in regards to this matter. You see the aliens are clearly involved and the humans who think they know so much are the pawns of Satan.

Only God withholds the aliens from uncovering "too soon".
Whee! 8D
User ID: 470660
7/24/2008 9:34 PM
Re: BREAKING!!! in mainstream media, astronaut claims UFO coverup!!!Quote

The "aliens" are nothing more than the fallen angels spoken of in the Bible. Greys, reptilians, nordics, whatever caste of fallen angel they are, they are NOT to be trusted. They lie to humans and hate us because we were made in the image of the Almighty God, and the Bible says one day we will judge them. They can't stand this, that the children of the Almighty God will judge them, so they do everything within their power to distort the truth and destroy us and keep us from the saving power of Jesus Christ and the inheritance we have through Him. And the only reason they haven't completely destroyed us/earth so far is because they can do nothing outside the will of the Almighty God. They do nothing but kill, steal, and destroy, which is probably what they did to the earth originally before Adam and Eve were created, because the Bible says 2And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Don't believe their lies! Even those who work closely with them admit to their penchant for lying. They know their time of judgment is approaching very, very soon, so you can expect them to ratchet up the deception. Shortly, they will be bound for a thousand years, along with all the wicked nephilim spirits, while on earth we have this blessed assurance: Now it will come about that In the last days, The mountain of the house of the Lord Will be established as the chief of the mountains, And will be raised above the hills; And all the nations will stream to it. And many peoples will come and say, 'Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, To the house of the God of Jacob; That He may teach us concerning His ways, And that we may walk in His paths.' For the law will go forth from Zion, And the word of the Lord from Jerusalem. And He will judge between the nations, And will render decisions for many peoples; And they will hammer their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, And never again will they learn war. Come, house of Jacob, and let us walk in the light of the Lord." (Isaiah 2:1-5).
 Quoting: Michelle


Please, stick your angels up your ass together with the book talking about them will you?

Thanks. :)
Using any book that is pretended to be the word of god as a proof = Automatic Fail

Using the following concepts in a post leads to an automatic failure of that post : Witchcraft, evil, good, curse, repent, sin, heaven, hell

Number of people who tried to insult me using my TP avatar : 8 (Punisher x3) <= People should maybe actually learn to read?
HardTruth
User ID: 423076
7/24/2008 9:34 PM
Re: BREAKING!!! in mainstream media, astronaut claims UFO coverup!!!Quote

Actually, when you think about it, it becomes clear that the government of this world is incapable of covering up the presence of the aliens without the aliens cooperation. With the superior technology that these "beings" possess they could easily end any government coverup, and our government couldn't do anything to stop it.

You have eyes to see in regards to this matter. You see the aliens are clearly involved and the humans who think they know so much are the pawns of Satan.

Only God withholds the aliens from uncovering "too soon".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 473037



Let's hope they are cannibals and invite all the christians over for dinner!!



___________
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Let the truth be told... though the heavens fall!
The opposite of bravery is not cowardice but conformity.
Nothing is more dangerous, than trying to give truth to people, who are stuck in their ways...
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TEXAS UNCENSORED
User ID: 473025
7/24/2008 9:39 PM
Re: BREAKING!!! in mainstream media, astronaut claims UFO coverup!!!Quote

Good for him. It's a really good interview.

It sounds stupid to ask the question "is there intelligent life out there, aliens from other planets? "
To call them fallen angels screams religious fanatic, fanatic, fanatic.

Considering the massive amount of sightings with photos and videos, who do you think is flying these sophisticated machines anyway ? Lab mice ?
DUH ! They are being flown by intelligent beings not of this earth.

[link to www.picasaweb.google.com]
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 322321
7/24/2008 9:40 PM
Re: BREAKING!!! in mainstream media, astronaut claims UFO coverup!!!Quote

we are ready for a full disclosure ..NOW !!
Joseph
User ID: 473073
7/24/2008 9:50 PM
Re: BREAKING!!! in mainstream media, astronaut claims UFO coverup!!!Quote

The "aliens" are nothing more than the fallen angels spoken of in the Bible. Greys, reptilians, nordics, whatever caste of fallen angel they are, they are NOT to be trusted. They lie to humans and hate us because we were made in the image of the Almighty God, and the Bible says one day we will judge them. They can't stand this, that the children of the Almighty God will judge them, so they do everything within their power to distort the truth and destroy us and keep us from the saving power of Jesus Christ and the inheritance we have through Him. And the only reason they haven't completely destroyed us/earth so far is because they can do nothing outside the will of the Almighty God. They do nothing but kill, steal, and destroy, which is probably what they did to the earth originally before Adam and Eve were created, because the Bible says 2And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Don't believe their lies! Even those who work closely with them admit to their penchant for lying. They know their time of judgment is approaching very, very soon, so you can expect them to ratchet up the deception. Shortly, they will be bound for a thousand years, along with all the wicked nephilim spirits, while on earth we have this blessed assurance: Now it will come about that In the last days, The mountain of the house of the Lord Will be established as the chief of the mountains, And will be raised above the hills; And all the nations will stream to it. And many peoples will come and say, 'Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, To the house of the God of Jacob; That He may teach us concerning His ways, And that we may walk in His paths.' For the law will go forth from Zion, And the word of the Lord from Jerusalem. And He will judge between the nations, And will render decisions for many peoples; And they will hammer their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, And never again will they learn war. Come, house of Jacob, and let us walk in the light of the Lord." (Isaiah 2:1-5).
 Quoting: Michelle


You are wise friend.
Joseph
User ID: 473073
7/24/2008 9:58 PM
Re: BREAKING!!! in mainstream media, astronaut claims UFO coverup!!!Quote

Michelle and all of the right wing Christian nut-jobs that infect this forum are probably the very reason disclosure hasn't happened sooner. We can't scare the unevolved too fast ... heaven forbid!

The Universe is probably teaming with life and the Christian arrogants still think they are so damn special. They want the Universe all to themselves. Holy dumb as a post, Batman!!!!


The Christian religion along with the other fraudulent monotheistic belief systems are evil despicable totalitarian regimes mediated by barbaric old men who maintain control via lies, subterfuge, and continuous bloodshed along with a highly ignorant population; A population starved and longing for a spiritual reconnection with our planet.

Contact will a type II or III civilization will not be made until organized religion ceases to exist.

We know that won't happen for the obvious and simple reason that our entire human species are barely half thinking primates.

We're fresh out of the swamp and have a long way to go my brothers and sisters.

It's not looking good.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 471869



5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

5:21 Woe unto [them that are] wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!

5:22 Woe unto [them that are] mighty to drink wine, and men of strength to mingle strong drink:

5:23 Which justify the wicked for reward, and take away the righteousness of the righteous from him!

5:24 Therefore as the fire devoureth the stubble, and the flame consumeth the chaff, [so] their root shall be as rottenness, and their blossom shall go up as dust: because they have cast away the law of the LORD of hosts, and despised the word of the Holy One of Israel.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 357364
7/24/2008 10:05 PM
Re: BREAKING!!! in mainstream media, astronaut claims UFO coverup!!!Quote

Actually, when you think about it, it becomes clear that the government of this world is incapable of covering up the presence of the aliens without the aliens cooperation. With the superior technology that these "beings" possess they could easily end any government coverup, and our government couldn't do anything to stop it.

You have eyes to see in regards to this matter. You see the aliens are clearly involved and the humans who think they know so much are the pawns of Satan.

Only God withholds the aliens from uncovering "too soon".



Let's hope they are cannibals and invite all the christians over for dinner!!

___________
 Quoting: HardTruth

chuckle
Valerie
User ID: 460590
7/24/2008 10:05 PM
Re: BREAKING!!! in mainstream media, astronaut claims UFO coverup!!!Quote

The "aliens" are nothing more than the fallen angels spoken of in the Bible. Greys, reptilians, nordics, whatever caste of fallen angel they are, they are NOT to be trusted. They lie to humans and hate us because we were made in the image of the Almighty God, and the Bible says one day we will judge them. They can't stand this, that the children of the Almighty God will judge them, so they do everything within their power to distort the truth and destroy us and keep us from the saving power of Jesus Christ and the inheritance we have through Him. And the only reason they haven't completely destroyed us/earth so far is because they can do nothing outside the will of the Almighty God. They do nothing but kill, steal, and destroy, which is probably what they did to the earth originally before Adam and Eve were created, because the Bible says 2And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Don't believe their lies! Even those who work closely with them admit to their penchant for lying. They know their time of judgment is approaching very, very soon, so you can expect them to ratchet up the deception. Shortly, they will be bound for a thousand years, along with all the wicked nephilim spirits, while on earth we have this blessed assurance: Now it will come about that In the last days, The mountain of the house of the Lord Will be established as the chief of the mountains, And will be raised above the hills; And all the nations will stream to it. And many peoples will come and say, 'Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, To the house of the God of Jacob; That He may teach us concerning His ways, And that we may walk in His paths.' For the law will go forth from Zion, And the word of the Lord from Jerusalem. And He will judge between the nations, And will render decisions for many peoples; And they will hammer their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, And never again will they learn war. Come, house of Jacob, and let us walk in the light of the Lord." (Isaiah 2:1-5).
 Quoting: Michelle


SPOT ON! Well said.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 448843
7/24/2008 10:06 PM
Re: BREAKING!!! in mainstream media, astronaut claims UFO coverup!!!Quote

Michelle and all of the right wing Christian nut-jobs that infect this forum are probably the very reason disclosure hasn't happened sooner. We can't scare the unevolved too fast ... heaven forbid!

The Universe is probably teaming with life and the Christian arrogants still think they are so damn special. They want the Universe all to themselves. Holy dumb as a post, Batman!!!!


The Christian religion along with the other fraudulent monotheistic belief systems are evil despicable totalitarian regimes mediated by barbaric old men who maintain control via lies, subterfuge, and continuous bloodshed along with a highly ignorant population; A population starved and longing for a spiritual reconnection with our planet.

Contact will a type II or III civilization will not be made until organized religion ceases to exist.

We know that won't happen for the obvious and simple reason that our entire human species are barely half thinking primates.

We're fresh out of the swamp and have a long way to go my brothers and sisters.

It's not looking good.



5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

5:21 Woe unto [them that are] wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!

5:22 Woe unto [them that are] mighty to drink wine, and men of strength to mingle strong drink:

5:23 Which justify the wicked for reward, and take away the righteousness of the righteous from him!

5:24 Therefore as the fire devoureth the stubble, and the flame consumeth the chaff, [so] their root shall be as rottenness, and their blossom shall go up as dust: because they have cast away the law of the LORD of hosts, and despised the word of the Holy One of Israel.
 Quoting: Joseph 473073


5:20 Woe unto them that go around quoting verses from some book that nobody cares about.

5:21 Woe unto [them that are] pious in their own eyes, and lucid in their own sight!

5:22 Woe unto [them that are] mighty to teatotal, and men of stench to mingle with parishioners.

5:23 Which justify the wicked indy nosebone on the righteous snowboard!

5:24 Therefore as the fire devoureth Barney Rubble, and the flame consumeth the hash, [so] their poot shall be as rottenness, and their nostrum shall go up as angel dust: because they have cast away the paw of the boar of coasts, and despised the word of the coke-head from Misery-ael
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 357364
7/24/2008 10:09 PM
Re: BREAKING!!! in mainstream media, astronaut claims UFO coverup!!!Quote

The "aliens" are nothing more than the fallen angels spoken of in the Bible. Greys, reptilians, nordics, whatever caste of fallen angel they are, they are NOT to be trusted. They lie to humans and hate us because we were made in the image of the Almighty God, and the Bible says one day we will judge them. They can't stand this, that the children of the Almighty God will judge them, so they do everything within their power to distort the truth and destroy us and keep us from the saving power of Jesus Christ and the inheritance we have through Him. And the only reason they haven't completely destroyed us/earth so far is because they can do nothing outside the will of the Almighty God. They do nothing but kill, steal, and destroy, which is probably what they did to the earth originally before Adam and Eve were created, because the Bible says 2And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Don't believe their lies! Even those who work closely with them admit to their penchant for lying. They know their time of judgment is approaching very, very soon, so you can expect them to ratchet up the deception. Shortly, they will be bound for a thousand years, along with all the wicked nephilim spirits, while on earth we have this blessed assurance: Now it will come about that In the last days, The mountain of the house of the Lord Will be established as the chief of the mountains, And will be raised above the hills; And all the nations will stream to it. And many peoples will come and say, 'Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, To the house of the God of Jacob; That He may teach us concerning His ways, And that we may walk in His paths.' For the law will go forth from Zion, And the word of the Lord from Jerusalem. And He will judge between the nations, And will render decisions for many peoples; And they will hammer their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, And never again will they learn war. Come, house of Jacob, and let us walk in the light of the Lord." (Isaiah 2:1-5).


SPOT ON! Well said.
 Quoting: Valerie 460590

A little delusional, are ya?
The Professor
User ID: 385883
7/24/2008 10:37 PM
Re: BREAKING!!! in mainstream media, astronaut claims UFO coverup!!!Quote

Why is this such a big deal. This is only one of literally thousands of disclosures by reputable people all over the world. Hell, this guy isn’t even the first astronaut to talk about alien spacecraft. In fact, the governments of the United Kingdom, Russia, Mexico and other countries have openly acknowledged the presence of alien craft in Earth’s atmosphere. Those who continue to deny UFO’s have somehow successfully managed to avoid the many thousands of published accounts of extraterrestrials. Contrary to the known laws of probability, they have managed to stay dry during a rain storm by running between the drops.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 470675
7/24/2008 10:39 PM
Re: BREAKING!!! in mainstream media, astronaut claims UFO coverup!!!Quote

When is this guy going on Larry King???


I wonder if this is meant to coincide with the X-files movie. Sure seems UFO's have been a hot topic in 2008. Seems like they fell out of favor for a little while.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 373181
7/24/2008 10:44 PM
Re: BREAKING!!! in mainstream media, astronaut claims UFO coverup!!!Quote

trust me unless the ets themselves tell us the whole story then whatever we hear from our own species is TOTAL BULLSHIT
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 452430
7/24/2008 10:46 PM
Re: BREAKING!!! in mainstream media, astronaut claims UFO coverup!!!Quote

trust me unless the ets themselves tell us the whole story then whatever we hear from our own species is TOTAL BULLSHIT
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 373181


agreed.
i will not trust anything the criminals tell me.
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