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What's the big deal with a NWO?
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BriGuy
User ID: 467255
7/24/2008 9:04 PM
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Ok, since I see that no one has answered my question from earlier, I'll repeat it. How would you apply a system of checks and balances to this proposed government? Are you just thinking that the people in charge will consider the best interest of the masses above all? Quoting: Poof
sorry i got mixed up. alot of ppl posting.
i think a republic of the people would work.
so everyone is represented. and if they are not represented correctly then that representative would be held at vote from his ppl wether or not he would retain his position. if not we would elect another qualified person. no one in charge at the top though. only the representatives. whatever was majority would pass.
executive branch would not exist though
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BriGuy
User ID: 467255
7/24/2008 9:06 PM
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the people would be the check in the balance of power
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Poof
User ID: 458746
7/24/2008 9:11 PM | | Re: What's the big deal with a NWO? | Quote |
Ok, so majority rule, with no "big cheese tie-breaker" in charge. Fair enough. I'm not out to step on anyone's toes, but it's hard to get my point across with a neutral example. Say, 60% of the representatives were Baptist, and 40% were Methodist. The majority decide they want to make everybody go to a Baptist church. they can make it happen, because they are the majority. Am I correct? |
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JimmyK
User ID: 397865
7/24/2008 9:16 PM | | Re: What's the big deal with a NWO? | Quote |
Ok, since I see that no one has answered my question from earlier, I'll repeat it. How would you apply a system of checks and balances to this proposed government? Are you just thinking that the people in charge will consider the best interest of the masses above all? Quoting: Poof
If I may add to that, who exactly are the "masses" and who makes that decision?
In the case of the Dark Ages and the Popes who killed, nothing but evil came of it. Were they not trying to bring about the same idea?
In the case of Hitler, who were the masses that were to make up his kingdom?
Go back to Constantine and his crusades.
The very idea of man to bring about a NWO has always resulted in death and hatred.
It matters not if one claims it is done in the name of God, a simple understanding of the truth negates their claims and exposes who really is behind such.
War and death is wrong regardless of what the goal is at least as far as a true Christian is concerned.
Bush is no Christian by any means and he has brough reproach upon those who actually are.
Many have falsely come in the name of The Lord and Christ rightly said you shall know them by their fruits.
I know the world will go on killing and I know who is behind it. One cannot stop it but one can refrain from supporting it.
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Wake up tards
User ID: 459770
7/24/2008 9:19 PM | | Re: What's the big deal with a NWO? | Quote |
I want all nations to come together, for the benefit of all mankind. We are all citizens of one world.
In the long run, wouldn't you say it makes sense to move in this direction anyways? Quoting: BriGuy
It WOULD be great if the NWO was being formed for the BENEFIT of humanity, but in case you haven't noticed...it is being formed by the BIGGEST CRIMINALS IN THE WORLD for their OWN purposes! |
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Poof
User ID: 458746
7/24/2008 9:21 PM | | Re: What's the big deal with a NWO? | Quote |
My point exactly Jimmy! The fact of the matter is, right now the checks and balances ARE the different governments in charge around the world. Don't like how they run things in Cuba? Do your best to sneak out. Think inflation is off the chain in Zimbabwe? Run away!! With one government in control of everything, what are you gonna do about it? Suck it up! Take your little atheist butt to church! Don't like the job you were assigned? Tough! Wanna do something about it? Now you are an enemy of the governement and must be dealt with, because peace must be maintained at all costs and that means none of you get to rock the boat! |
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BriGuy
User ID: 467255
7/24/2008 9:23 PM
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Ok, so majority rule, with no "big cheese tie-breaker" in charge. Fair enough. I'm not out to step on anyone's toes, but it's hard to get my point across with a neutral example. Say, 60% of the representatives were Baptist, and 40% were Methodist. The majority decide they want to make everybody go to a Baptist church. they can make it happen, because they are the majority. Am I correct? Quoting: Poof
only if deciding that matter would benefit all of humanity. which it would objectively not. religion is to be determined on a personal level. shouldn't be controlled by anyone else, ever
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BriGuy
User ID: 467255
7/24/2008 9:25 PM
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also. those in charge now, would never be in charge of a world government. i'm sure they know that
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Poof
User ID: 458746
7/24/2008 9:25 PM | | Re: What's the big deal with a NWO? | Quote |
So, who will stop them? That's what I want to know. Theoretically, we are governed here in the US by people we elect to represent us. Which means, they should be concerned about the issues that we are concerned about, and voting in such a way that reflects the opinions of the people they represent. Would you say that is the case now? |
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BriGuy
User ID: 467255
7/24/2008 9:27 PM
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no, that's why we need to wash out all current politics and start to build a new organization for the betterment of humankind. all humankind. it's complicated, i'm sure, but at the very least plausible and most likely will occur at some point in time.
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BriGuy
User ID: 467255
7/24/2008 9:28 PM
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gotta go.. will continue later. u guys feel free to debate though
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Poof
User ID: 458746
7/24/2008 9:29 PM | | Re: What's the big deal with a NWO? | Quote |
If it's plausible, then why can't we do it in this country alone? Do you really think that if it's not the case here, we can make it work worldwide? Who is going to stop the 60% of the reps who have one mindset from running all over the others? |
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Moosehead
User ID: 472847
7/24/2008 9:29 PM | | Re: What's the big deal with a NWO? | Quote |
Most obviously we are not. Opponents are here speaking their mind in logical discourse. Do you think you would be allowed to voice your opposition if the world was already enslaved by the NWO? What rubbish!
When did I say that their plans were completed?
And there is such a thing as RESEARCH.
Also there are many new ways for them to silence opponents. Or to make them ineffectual.
Hiring mouth-pieces to type in their defense on the internet is only one.
They killed 3000 people on September 11 2001.
Why don't you comment on that?
Your "insightful" social commentaries are lacking.
Evolve! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 472879
Oh, ha ha. You speak as if the NWO people are already in control. In actuality, humanity has exploded into countless regional cultures, dialects and belief systems, some of which have become self-governing.
The advantage, the momemtum, is with the side that has a plan. As opponents you have no plan.
The new world order singularity is the natural order becoming manifest, like a flower blooming.
Opponents have no vision. Their plan is chaos. All for the benefit of a selfish few.
Talk about human empathy! Billions currently without running water. What are NWO opponents doing? Nothing! They have no plan and obstruct the efforts of others.
The time has come to put aside our differences for the good of all.
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JimmyK
User ID: 397865
7/24/2008 9:33 PM | | Re: What's the big deal with a NWO? | Quote |
My point exactly Jimmy! The fact of the matter is, right now the checks and balances ARE the different governments in charge around the world. Don't like how they run things in Cuba? Do your best to sneak out. Think inflation is off the chain in Zimbabwe? Run away!! With one government in control of everything, what are you gonna do about it? Suck it up! Take your little atheist butt to church! Don't like the job you were assigned? Tough! Wanna do something about it? Now you are an enemy of the governement and must be dealt with, because peace must be maintained at all costs and that means none of you get to rock the boat! Quoting: Poof
Well there is another factor as well and that has not been discussed. Weapons. We should consider the technology today and understand once a NWO is in place, they control the means by which to control the masses.
I understand what the OP is saying about majority rules and all that, but then the majority has the means by which to enforce their will. Numbers will continue to diminish as those in opposition are taken out. Will the majority control the means by which to enforce control? No their elite overseers will and that is when they themselves will be brought into subjection or die.
Not a good thing at all. |
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Poof
User ID: 458746
7/24/2008 9:43 PM | | Re: What's the big deal with a NWO? | Quote |
Ah, this debate will take a book I believe. The very idea of one worldwide government is so fundamentally flawed, I have no idea why I bother to argue about it. The disadvantages should be so obvious and overwhelming that no one in their right mind would seriously consider it. Starry eyed kids that don't understand how people and politics work and slept through world history I guess. For now, I would suggest this: Read 1984. Go do some research into Hitler, and communism. Do some reading about Mugabe down in Zimbabwe. Understand how easy it is for power to be corrupted, without people noticing until it's too late. Then consider that you are suggesting it would be in the best interest to eliminate people who oppose the government and disarming basically everyone in the process. Then come back and explain to the good folks on this forum why you think we have evolved to the point where history cannot repeat itself. |
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383623
User ID: 383623
7/24/2008 9:44 PM | | Re: What's the big deal with a NWO? | Quote |
hey you guys OP is a NWO shill and he's noting everybody down who answers him 
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BriGuy
User ID: 467255
7/24/2008 10:00 PM
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I'm no shill
I'm a citizen of America, and a hopeful for world citizenship realization.
Weapons in America have always been here for militia and self defense. And furthermore it has lived through a test of time.
I believe all should have some sort of available weaponry through very tight restrictions.
how about your state building having all weapons, and overseen by a public authority. in case of some crazy emergency the people who are qualified and licensed could rent out the equipment for their defense. and all would be accountable for what they had. ie. you gun killed someone, you didn't pull the trigger, but it's your responsibility and fault.
then after such emergency, all weaponry seized by the state building.
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BriGuy
User ID: 467255
7/24/2008 10:01 PM
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also the republic would have to be, under no defect, completely transparent. that's another thing i have stated
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JimmyK
User ID: 397865
7/24/2008 10:02 PM | | Re: What's the big deal with a NWO? | Quote |
Well that is the very attitude that will eat our lunch. Act afraid, hide a bit, let them take out a few as an example and increase the fear.
I have lived long enough free and should I die tonight I would take my last breath a free man bonded only to Christ. I have no problem with that whatsoever.
Taking one single breath as a man bound to man would disgust me completely and make each breath taken thusly burn to my very soul.
I would prefer being one of the first taken out knowing my hope is not in this life but the next.
I am a freeman in Christ and come what may let me be hidden only in Him with a prayer that all may share in Him the same joy I cherish. I know the answer to that prayer is "it shall not be" but it remains mine and I am content to accept the answer with a humble "let it be so".
Regards
JimmyK |
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Poof
User ID: 458746
7/24/2008 10:04 PM | | Re: What's the big deal with a NWO? | Quote |
Most obviously we are not. Opponents are here speaking their mind in logical discourse. Do you think you would be
Talk about human empathy! Billions currently without running water. What are NWO opponents doing? Nothing! They have no plan and obstruct the efforts of others.
The time has come to put aside our differences for the good of all.
Not doing anything you say. I can't speak for everyone, but I do what I can to make the world around me a little better. I don't need a government to micromanage me into doing the right thing.
I would dearly love for their to be world peace. I hate to see little hungry kids on the street. What you fail to realize, is that if there was one big government, that power can and WILL be abused. Maybe not right away, but it will. You will have eliminated every resouce available to the common man to fight government oppression. What you are suggesting is a quick-fix-for-now, not a real solution. See, it's not about religion. That was just an argument that most people can relate to. It's about who the hell is going to stop the government from passing whatever they want? Eventually a bunch of greedy SOBs will wind up in charge and be peeing in gold toilets while we slave away over 40 acres and kiss their rear ends because they allow us to pay taxes. Whos is gonna keep that from ahppening? The common man that has has his weapons taken away? |
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BriGuy
User ID: 467255
7/24/2008 10:06 PM
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i see it as a quick fix for all up and coming new ages
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JimmyK
User ID: 397865
7/24/2008 10:06 PM | | Re: What's the big deal with a NWO? | Quote |
I'm no shill
I'm a citizen of America, and a hopeful for world citizenship realization.
Weapons in America have always been here for militia and self defense. And furthermore it has lived through a test of time.
I believe all should have some sort of available weaponry through very tight restrictions.
how about your state building having all weapons, and overseen by a public authority. in case of some crazy emergency the people who are qualified and licensed could rent out the equipment for their defense. and all would be accountable for what they had. ie. you gun killed someone, you didn't pull the trigger, but it's your responsibility and fault.
then after such emergency, all weaponry seized by the state building. Quoting: BriGuy
Well they cannot put in our hands that which they have. Any pea shooter they allow you could easily be overcome by "them".
Consider the technology of today and who shall disarm them? |
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Poof
User ID: 458746
7/24/2008 10:07 PM | | Re: What's the big deal with a NWO? | Quote |
I don't think he's a shill. I think he's some young'un barely out of high school that slept through world history, and possibly even psych 101. Starry-eyed, inexperienced, and sadly misguided about human nature. |
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Moosehead
User ID: 339376
7/24/2008 10:07 PM | | Re: What's the big deal with a NWO? | Quote |
Ah, this debate will take a book I believe. The very idea of one worldwide government is so fundamentally flawed, I have no idea why I bother to argue about it. The disadvantages should be so obvious and overwhelming that no one in their right mind would seriously consider it. Starry eyed kids that don't understand how people and politics work and slept through world history I guess. For now, I would suggest this: Read 1984. Go do some research into Hitler, and communism. Do some reading about Mugabe down in Zimbabwe. Understand how easy it is for power to be corrupted, without people noticing until it's too late. Then consider that you are suggesting it would be in the best interest to eliminate people who oppose the government and disarming basically everyone in the process. Then come back and explain to the good folks on this forum why you think we have evolved to the point where history cannot repeat itself. Quoting: Poof
The current fractionalized situation of every man for himself is really the "fundamentally flawed" system, full of conflict and chaos.
What could be the disadvantage of a system we haven't yet tried?
A big worry is how the NWO leader(s) will avoid being corrupted by their power.
The problem is not corruption, the problem is weak leadership. Hitler and Mugabe are both defective examples of humanity. In the NWO era there will exist no more despots.
I would not support any elimination of opponents. That is the red herring that is always brought out to besmirch the NWO efforts.
Like I said, we have a plan. Opponents have only distractions and ad hominem attacks.
Harsh and threatening rhetoric are not needed to implement the New World Order. It will be a reunion of all, for all, with peace and order eternal.
We are in the last throes! Not too much farther to go.
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BriGuy
User ID: 467255
7/24/2008 10:08 PM
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we are them. we will disarm ourselves.
if not. then another idea i had was completely cutting them off from all things going on in our government. no trade, no nothing. join us, or your on your own basically.
need oil, water, protection?
join us, or you will not get any. especially from the men running your establishment into the ground
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Poof
User ID: 458746
7/24/2008 10:09 PM | | Re: What's the big deal with a NWO? | Quote |
Still no real answer about who will keep the "majority" representatives from running all over the "minority" representatives and throwing in a pit of lions when they disagree.
Why would the "state" rent out weapons? Why would the majority let them have weapons, and who would keep the majority from taking them away from the state amy more than the rest of us? |
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BriGuy
User ID: 467255
7/24/2008 10:11 PM
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I don't think he's a shill. I think he's some young'un barely out of high school that slept through world history, and possibly even psych 101. Starry-eyed, inexperienced, and sadly misguided about human nature. Quoting: Poof
Age has nothing to do with intellect.
for your info I aced economics and social studies. got a C+ in psychology, but am more interested in sociology anyways.
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Poof
User ID: 458746
7/24/2008 10:11 PM | | Re: What's the big deal with a NWO? | Quote |
Oh, we can disarm ourselves if you want to. You go first. |
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BriGuy
User ID: 467255
7/24/2008 10:11 PM
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Still no real answer about who will keep the "majority" representatives from running all over the "minority" representatives and throwing in a pit of lions when they disagree.
Why would the "state" rent out weapons? Why would the majority let them have weapons, and who would keep the majority from taking them away from the state amy more than the rest of us? Quoting: Poof
publicly completely transparently run government
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Poof
User ID: 458746
7/24/2008 10:12 PM | | Re: What's the big deal with a NWO? | Quote |
Orly? How would we know it's transparent, because the people in charge tell us so? |
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