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Distinguished Brazil General Says 'UFO Secrets Must Be Disclosed'

 
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oannes had a small post on this a couple months ago, but now new info has been published. Whitley Strieber is covering it in this weeks Dreamland:

In an unprecedented exclusive interview with A. J. Gevaerd, editor of the Brazilian UFO Magazine, one the highest ranking and most distinguished officials of the Brazilian Air Force, Brigadier José Carlos Pereira, recognized that "it is time to end the UFO secrecy"

Links to docs of both stories in English and I assume Portuguese can be found here:

[link to www.ufo.com.br]

oannes original thread: Thread: Jose Carlos Pereira: UFO Secrets Must Be Disclosed(Brazilian high-rank Brigadier)

I just got this info, so I am reading the interviews now...
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Here's the article from Dreamland - it contains the text from the second part of the interview.

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Distinguished Brazil General? is that like distinguished German comedian, distinguished British ice hockey player, distinguished Iranian diplomat and so on?
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Distinguished Brazil General? is that like distinguished German comedian, distinguished British ice hockey player, distinguished Iranian diplomat and so on?
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No one beats them on corruption.
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He is a Brigadier General - most people have no idea what that means, so distinguished is what you get for being a tard, I suppose.

here's a very interesting excerpt:

UFO – We know that the Brazilian Air Force officially investigates the UFO phenomenon since 1969, when Brigadier Jose Vaz da Silva established the System for Investigation of Unidentified Flying Objects (SIOANI) at the Brazilian IV Regional Air Command (COMAR 4). But why was that research apparently closed in that same year without any further progress?

Pereira – Look, that's a very interesting question. I wasn't around that time and have not researched those facts. I've never had the idea of investigating the reasons why that work was ended, but I suspect Brigadier Vaz da Silva hasn't had any more conditions to go further. He tells a different story [from many other military]. He was always an avant-garde man, always ahead of this time.

UFO – Do you believe in a superior interference in the establishment of SIOANI or was it an exclusive initiative of Brigadier Vaz da Silva?

Pereira – I'm almost sure there was a superior order. Certainly a superior instance to Brigadier Vaz da Silva worked with it by supporting the project, assisting and implementing SIOANI. A commander can't do anything by himself. He must have a superior instance behind his actions.

UFO – The two leaked SIOANI bulletins brought descriptions of cases researched by the body, including UFO landings and their crew. These are being investigated and kept in secret by the military. This is the kind of documents ufologists want to see disclosed. Do you believe they can be publicly revealed?

Pereira – In my opinion there is no reason to keep such material in secret. None. I understand that the disclosure won't affect any of the four classical criteria military always have in mind when dealing with national secrets. And these are represented by the following questions: first, will the disclosure take the country into a war? Second, will it cause panic in the population? Third, is it a threat to the national security, be it with a South-American country or any other? And fourth, will the disclosure of this material affect the privacy of people possibly mentioned on it? This is what we must have in mind. If none of these matters are affected – which is actually the case –, then it must be disclosed!
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I was a student in one of Brazil's most distinguished universities and one of my teachers was a man that had been in charge of the ITA (Institute of Aeronautics) in Brazil. He also was invited to work for NASA. He used to talk about time travel, secret government projects, free energy and aliens as trivial things.
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I was a student in one of Brazil's most distinguished universities and one of my teachers was a man that had been in charge of the ITA (Institute of Aeronautics) in Brazil. He also was invited to work for NASA. He used to talk about time travel, secret government projects, free energy and aliens as trivial things.
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Brazil is one big, walking GLP anyhow
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Nice try, but you fail.
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this gets better and better!

UFO – He told us that he was together with a subordinate at Rio Guajará-Mirim heading towards the camp when a cylindrical aircraft with 100m in length nearly landed on the other margin. From the top, a door was opened and an ET came from it floating to the place where they were. According to Hollanda this was the most exciting moment in the operation. Have you ever discussed that with him?

Pereira – No, unfortunately I didn't have details before. But maybe that's why he had put all of his efforts and dedication in Operação Prato [Operation Saucer], which was where he found a sense for his life. If he couldn't succeed as an aviator and if he rejected the idea of being an intending officer, then the intelligence suited him well. Working for the intelligence for me is an agreeable experience, at least partially. Things were tough those times. I worked a lot with pure military intelligence, with strategy. But I was never much concerned with communists for example [the first official justification for Operação Prato [Operation Saucer] was that it was conceived in order to identify communists possibly hidden in the Amazon jungle].

UFO – Hollanda suspected that the contact he had with an ET at the margin of Rio Guajará-Mirim during December 1977 was the turning point for the termination of Operação Prato [Operation Saucer]. He said he was ordered to terminate the operation after reporting it to his superior, Brigadier Protásio Lopes de Oliveira, then commander of the Brazilian I Regional Air Command (COMAR 1). Did you know that?

Pereira – Partly. I didn't have that detail.
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UFO – Regarding the Brazilian Committee of Ufologists (CBU) visit to Comdabra, Brigadier Atheneu Azambuja - then commander of that body-, reported that it was common to have Air Force jets taking off to identify “radar targets” being “hotel traffic” among them. We know that those words were used to describe several things including flying saucers. How many of these interceptions occurred every year in Brazil and what are the outcomes?

Pereira – Many. I remember one at moment. This is all automated, procedures are automated. This fact occurred in Anapolis (GO) a few years ago. There was a radar contact with “something” and the Air Defense determined a Mirage to take off from the air field of that town. The unidentified object was very close, it wasn't very far, almost in Goiania area. The radar could not determine the altitude, but only the position it was. The Mirage went up towards it as high as possible and reached 48 thousand feet [nearly 16km], which is its maximum altitude of operation and had to abort the search. The pilot said: “I reached 48 thousand feet and can't see anything. The radar says it's in front of me, but I don't see anything”.

UFO – The ground radar spotted a dot in that position. How about the Mirage's radar?

Pereira – Yes. The jet's radar informed the altitude it was, but it couldn't tell the altitude of the other contact which appeared in both radars. So it's very hard when you don't know where the target is. It could be at any altitude from 1000m on. I remember that episode very well. The pilot had visual contact with the object, a lightening spot at noon, at broad day light.

UFO – Was that a large object?

Pereira – Well, it was a bright spot whose size was impossible to tell because it would involve parallax. You cannot tell the size of something when you don't know the distance it is from you. The pilot says it was far away. “I see something here, but it is far, very far”, he said. And he was already at the maximum altitude of 48 thousand feet. A Mirage can reach 50 thousand feet, but that would be dangerous. I remember that taking off very well.

UFO – Brigadier, how many of these cases happen every year and what are the outcomes?

Pereira – I remember three or four like these. I don't know about the annual average [laconic], but it can be two or three each year. There's another thing, do you have information on any case involving the Brazilian Navy in Rio Amazonas?

UFO – In Rio Amazonas all we have are cases involving civilian ships. As for the Navy, we have one case occurred in Rio Paraguay, 1962, involving a ship captained by the late Captain Joao Maria Romariz. That ship was followed by a UFO near Forte Coimbra, a territory that now is part the State of Mato Grosso do Sul. This case is reported in the book UFOs: Arquivo Confidencial. Do you know of any specific case occurred in Rio Amazonas?

Pereira – Yes, and this case was “sealed” in the Navy, it was never disclosed. I had the information that one of those old corvettes, which sail very well, was involved in a sighting. That kind of ship could go to very far frontiers. A corvette like that was travelling at night when approached by a UFO that came very close. Things went mad, they say. The situation got very complicated for the captain of the ship because panic took over the crew in a very remote area. In that kind of place, the nearest Indian is a thousand kilometers away...


I find it interesting there is a town in Brazil called Anapolis...
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UFO – So you think that if they were disclosed...

Pereira – This would be the first step for us to advance. I don't believe people would panic if these files are opened. This (panic) would never happen. If there's a country that never panics this is Brazil. Maybe we'll even have a samba theme in celebration [laughter].

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register of luminous echos,Anapolis radar

[link to www.ufo.com.br]
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Air Force regulation regarding procedures about UFO (OVNI)sightings

[link to www.ufo.com.br]
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some interesting tidbits about the chain of command - I'm now on part two of the interview:

UFO – Do you believe minister Dilma Rousseff would be informed in case we had a military or civil chase for UFOs in the country? Would the subject be taken to her?

Pereira – The minister of defense will know about it for sure, since this is part of his assignments. It's automatic, his phone will ring. But I don't know if he would inform minister Rousseff. Depending on the case, the minister has the obligation to inform the president. This is how it works. When I was a commander at Comdabra, I had the personal number of the president, but I was not allowed to call him for any simple thing.

UFO – What is the chain of contact in these cases?

Pereira – In case something serious happened I had to call the commander of air operations who then would call the Air Force commander. He would contact the minister of defense who, in turn, would report to the president of the Republic. But I had authority to skip any of these steps. If I couldn't contact my commander, for example, I could go on to the next post and from this to the next one until I reach the president. If the president couldn't answer, then I should take responsibility. This is all legal. Of course we need to assess the situation, I'd never go that far if not for the most serious problem. When I was a commander at Comdabra [1999 to 2001] all cases involving military and UFOs spotted by radars would came to my knowledge. After I left, I still had access to nearly all information I desired on this subject.

UFO – When you were a commander, how often did you receive reports on the cases?

Pereira – That was only once a month. A controller would say something like “I'm following this object for 10 minutes in the radar”, or “we have another hotel traffic in Amazonas or Santa Catarina”. However, false echoes or false targets are very common in radars. A false target appears very briefly and it is easy to know it because it disappears soon. But a different thing is when we have a regular trajectory. These occurred once a month and had very short duration.
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Air Force regulation regarding procedures about UFO (OVNI)sightings

[link to www.ufo.com.br]
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Hi 472982 - can you interpret Portuguese? If so, a translation would be nice.
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Operação Prato: UFO pics

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Operação Prato: Hollanda´s drawings of UFOS and aliens


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Hi Aware,

Sorry, my English is not good enough to translate.
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some UFO pics:

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Distinguished Brazil General? is that like distinguished German comedian, distinguished British ice hockey player, distinguished Iranian diplomat and so on?


No one beats them on corruption.
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Or a distinguished US President.
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He is a Brigadier General - most people have no idea what that means, so distinguished is what you get for being a tard, I suppose.

here's a very interesting excerpt:

UFO – We know that the Brazilian Air Force officially investigates the UFO phenomenon since 1969, when Brigadier Jose Vaz da Silva established the System for Investigation of Unidentified Flying Objects (SIOANI) at the Brazilian IV Regional Air Command (COMAR 4). But why was that research apparently closed in that same year without any further progress?

Pereira – Look, that's a very interesting question. I wasn't around that time and have not researched those facts. I've never had the idea of investigating the reasons why that work was ended, but I suspect Brigadier Vaz da Silva hasn't had any more conditions to go further. He tells a different story [from many other military]. He was always an avant-garde man, always ahead of this time.

UFO – Do you believe in a superior interference in the establishment of SIOANI or was it an exclusive initiative of Brigadier Vaz da Silva?

Pereira – I'm almost sure there was a superior order. Certainly a superior instance to Brigadier Vaz da Silva worked with it by supporting the project, assisting and implementing SIOANI. A commander can't do anything by himself. He must have a superior instance behind his actions.

UFO – The two leaked SIOANI bulletins brought descriptions of cases researched by the body, including UFO landings and their crew. These are being investigated and kept in secret by the military. This is the kind of documents ufologists want to see disclosed. Do you believe they can be publicly revealed?

Pereira – In my opinion there is no reason to keep such material in secret. None. I understand that the disclosure won't affect any of the four classical criteria military always have in mind when dealing with national secrets. And these are represented by the following questions: first, will the disclosure take the country into a war? Second, will it cause panic in the population? Third, is it a threat to the national security, be it with a South-American country or any other? And fourth, will the disclosure of this material affect the privacy of people possibly mentioned on it? This is what we must have in mind. If none of these matters are affected – which is actually the case –, then it must be disclosed!
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The first country to make a full disclosure to the world with EVERYTHING they know and have on record, will be an emerging superpower. I think it will be Brazil.
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UFO – So you think that if they were disclosed...

Pereira – This would be the first step for us to advance. I don't believe people would panic if these files are opened. This (panic) would never happen. If there's a country that never panics this is Brazil. Maybe we'll even have a samba theme in celebration [laughter].

5a
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He's right about Brazil...they don't get involved in wars either. They are the only country to successfully engineer the nuclear bomb and then disassemble it, along with the facility as well!

They claim is was not for them.
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He's right about Brazil...they don't get involved in wars either.
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They are too busy killing their own.
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UFO – Have you ever heard of the Area 51 in the Nevada desert?
Pereira – Yes. The area is a real thing and we conducted some exercises there. Not in the Area 51 itself, but over the Nevada desert where many military facilities are located. The USAF performs exercises all over that place. It has international cooperation and invites military from many countries for training sessions there. We took part in a training program there and heard of the Area 51, but no one is allowed to enter there. The Brazilian Air Force (FAB) has already sent two teams to exercise there and I was leading one of these operations. One interesting thing is that all exercises avoid Area 51 which is located right at the center of everything.

UFO – Aren't there any incidents of pilots trespassing those borders?
Pereira – Yes. The biggest problem is to make foreign pilots understand the procedures to be followed. Not even US nationals are allowed to fly over that space.
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I can translate it completely if you give me a little while.

The first part is:

Ministry of Aeronautics
Regional Service Protocol of Flight to Rio de Janeiro
Division of Operations

Subject: Agency Procedures to be adopted by ATS/ACS in the event of an Unidentified Flying Object

Annex: Model of Questionaire to be applied
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this gets better and better!

UFO – He told us that he was together with a subordinate at Rio Guajará-Mirim heading towards the camp when a cylindrical aircraft with 100m in length nearly landed on the other margin. From the top, a door was opened and an ET came from it floating to the place where they were. According to Hollanda this was the most exciting moment in the operation. Have you ever discussed that with him?

Pereira – No, unfortunately I didn't have details before. But maybe that's why he had put all of his efforts and dedication in Operação Prato [Operation Saucer], which was where he found a sense for his life. If he couldn't succeed as an aviator and if he rejected the idea of being an intending officer, then the intelligence suited him well. Working for the intelligence for me is an agreeable experience, at least partially. Things were tough those times. I worked a lot with pure military intelligence, with strategy. But I was never much concerned with communists for example [the first official justification for Operação Prato [Operation Saucer] was that it was conceived in order to identify communists possibly hidden in the Amazon jungle].

UFO – Hollanda suspected that the contact he had with an ET at the margin of Rio Guajará-Mirim during December 1977 was the turning point for the termination of Operação Prato [Operation Saucer]. He said he was ordered to terminate the operation after reporting it to his superior, Brigadier Protásio Lopes de Oliveira, then commander of the Brazilian I Regional Air Command (COMAR 1). Did you know that?

Pereira – Partly. I didn't have that detail.
 Quoting: Aware
5aThey got the bomb down in Brazil,,,the choice stuff.....
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They are too busy killing their own.
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Showing your ignorance. Brazil is on of the emerging Superpowers of the world. Watch and see. Do some research as well.
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Distinguished Brazil General? is that like distinguished German comedian, distinguished British ice hockey player, distinguished Iranian diplomat and so on?


No one beats them on corruption.



Or a distinguished US President.
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Several US Presidents were Generals, several were B Generals, if I recall - Garfield was one.

Of course Eisenhower was a full General - five stars. In the US a BGen is 1 star General.

Interesting that many countries use this method of ranking their military personnel, and vary slightly. I wonder who they all serve in the end? Gotta be a way to keep track, after all, when your minions are dispersed worldwide, speaking a plethora of languages.

Point is, a General of any rank is HIGHLY dependable, not apt to 'crack up' and a faithful follower of all the rules and regs. Highly trained observers, they don't fuck up often, if at all - well, at least not according to their superiors.

The thing I love is this guy is like, wtf! The POPULACE NEEDS TO KNOW - it's not a game anymore to him - he's viewed his service as a service to the presidency, which is a servant to the people. Sure, that's just the wording and the brain that runs this machine doesn't really believe or adhere to it. Now the arms and the legs of the same machine are revolting.

Comin' back around again...
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UFO – We had a strange coincidence few weeks after Case Varginha: NASA director Daniel Goldin came to Brazil. Brazilian and US space agencies signed an agreement for space cooperation. Ufologists say this was only an excuse to cover-up US participation in that story...

Pereira – This is what we call “Operation Umbrella”, because after that we are covered against any bad weather.
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Air Force regulation regarding procedures about UFO (OVNI)sightings

[link to www.ufo.com.br]


Hi 472982 - can you interpret Portuguese? If so, a translation would be nice.
 Quoting: Aware


UFO – Do you know the NPA-09, a document issued on August 20th 1990 entitled Procedures to be Followed by ATS/ATC Bodies in Case of UFO Sightings? Is it still in force?
Pereira – If no other document was prepared to replace it, then it is still in force. I'm not really sure, but if this is from 1990 then it's probably still in force. But this is a confidential document for the use of the Armed Forces. The NPA-09 determines that UFO occurrences must be entered in a book specific for this purpose (LRO). The occurrences must be entered in chronological order and including the time of the occurrence when possible. These are routine procedures.

UFO – This document NPA-09 contains an item (4.7) in the section entitled General Instructions, which reads: “In case the press or any other people request for information the answer shall be 'we are not authorized to comment on that'”. Why not answering to ufologists and the press? Wouldn't it be more transparent to answer to ufologists in a serious manner?
Pereira – I'm not for this, but controversial issues must be handled with care. In general, they are not authorized, but this is not only for military issues. Do you remember the subway accident in São Paulo last year (2007)? Everybody started to call and the response was “we are not authorized to comment on that”. This is to avoid disputes among different press agencies. Try talking to Folha de Sao Paulo and not to O Globo newspapers or vice-versa. You'll become an enemy to one of them. So the Armed Forces and the government normally try to keep distance from these press war.
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UFO – We had a strange coincidence few weeks after Case Varginha: NASA director Daniel Goldin came to Brazil. Brazilian and US space agencies signed an agreement for space cooperation. Ufologists say this was only an excuse to cover-up US participation in that story...

Pereira – This is what we call “Operation Umbrella”, because after that we are covered against any bad weather.
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wow, for not understanding english really well, you know how to mine a humdinger! (you sure you can translate some of those Portuguese docs??? =)


UFO – We had a strange coincidence few weeks after Case Varginha: NASA director Daniel Goldin came to Brazil. Brazilian and US space agencies signed an agreement for space cooperation. Ufologists say this was only an excuse to cover-up US participation in that story...

Pereira – This is what we call “Operation Umbrella”, because after that we are covered against any bad weather.



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