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Survival Guns discussed
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Prof_Rabbit
User ID: 148352
7/31/2008 1:32 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
I need to get a gun which one should I buy?
Should it be a rifle a pistol or a shotgun?
You see I have this mouse in the house and I need to get rid of it. And I don't want to you one of those yucky traps! Quoting: Underground_Dude 471384
Simple, buy a non "yucky" trap or a cat, easy, no gun required.
"Anger is a wind that blows out the lamp of your mind" |
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Evil Twin  
Senior Forum Moderator
User ID: 476649
7/31/2008 1:35 PM
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I use the plastic trays from boxes of .45 acp ammo for loading blocks for all my handgun ammo.
I did the block of wood with holes trick for larger rifle cartridges.
I have a friend with better machinery than mine, so I have a stack of pistol blocks on the left and rifle on the right, same blocks for 20 years.
"Must haves" powder funnel or three (or four), something to add (or take away) very small amounts of powder to your scales, you can buy a "trickler" or use a tiny spoon, note plastic spoons attract static and become a nuisance around powder. Quoting: Prof_Rabbit
A .45 case with a piece of wire twisted around it for a handle makes a nice dipper, the brass doesn't hold a static charge. |
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Evil Twin
Senior Forum Moderator
User ID: 476649
7/31/2008 1:36 PM
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I need to get a gun which one should I buy?
Should it be a rifle a pistol or a shotgun?
You see I have this mouse in the house and I need to get rid of it. And I don't want to you one of those yucky traps!
Well. I used to hunt mice from my easy chair in my living room with a Dan Wesson Model 15 .357 8 inch barrel with lead shot ammo.
Thats livin'.
Just sayin'
;>) Quoting: Omega
Beats the hell out of throwin' your boot at 'em, lol.
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Omega
User ID: 357757
7/31/2008 1:40 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
I need to get a gun which one should I buy?
Should it be a rifle a pistol or a shotgun?
You see I have this mouse in the house and I need to get rid of it. And I don't want to you one of those yucky traps!
Well. I used to hunt mice from my easy chair in my living room with a Dan Wesson Model 15 .357 8 inch barrel with lead shot ammo.
Thats livin'.
Just sayin'
;>)
Beats the hell out of throwin' your boot at 'em, lol.
LOL, yeah I never was fast enough with the boot. I'd set myself up with a reading light, a nice book and the .357 on my lap on a blanket. See em' outta the corner of my eye...BLAMMO....your history pal...
  
My gurlfriend didn't like it much.
Handguns are a skill; shotguns an art; rifles a science.
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Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on whats for dinner.
Disarmament is the precursor to Genocide.
Better to take action now rather than chances later. Your choice. |
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Underground_Dude
User ID: 476676
7/31/2008 1:40 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
I need to get a gun which one should I buy?
Should it be a rifle a pistol or a shotgun?
You see I have this mouse in the house and I need to get rid of it. And I don't want to you one of those yucky traps!
Simple, buy a non "yucky" trap or a cat, easy, no gun required. Quoting: Prof_Rabbit
How do you think a cat would do around 16 dogs that have never seen a cat except for a mountain lion? |
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Lester
User ID: 476599
7/31/2008 1:46 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
The Lee progressive press is supposed to be pretty decent.
Lee also makes a handheld press that is decent and light enough to fit in a backpack.
You might find an old RCBS single stage press at a good price in a pawnshop or on craigslist. The RCBS powder measure is very consistent, try ebay or pawnshop. Powder measure throws very consistent charges. RCBS 505 scale is best one I have used, and I own a 1010 as well. Lyman and Redding also make decent scale. A scale check weight set is worth having too. Don't want to have an out of spec powder charge.
Lee dies are very good. Buy them online. About $20 buys the deluxe set including LEE crimp die, powder dipper and shellholder; along with Seating and Sizing dies. Excellent stuff. As good as any other non-match die set.
The Lee auto prime is the best priming tool under $100. |
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Enigma
User ID: 70637
7/31/2008 1:49 PM
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I believe a pistol with a shoulder stock would need a 16" barrel to be legal without a short barreled rifle tax stamp. Quoting: Evil Twin
i believe that is correct, but I'm not planning on LEAVING any sort of stock or anything... just want it AVAILABLE for a survival situation.
So at present, I'm looking for a pistol, with scope that MAY at some day have the capability of a shoulder mount stock.
I want this for my sailboat and would have it in international waters ANYWAY.
I'm sort of torn between the buckmark and the ruger.
my dad has a buckmark rifle and all the parts interchange between the rifle and pistol.
buck mark with a good scope?
or a ruger mark ?
"knowing and not DOING, is like NOT KNOWING at all" |
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Enigma
User ID: 70637
7/31/2008 1:49 PM
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I believe a pistol with a shoulder stock would need a 16" barrel to be legal without a short barreled rifle tax stamp. Quoting: Evil Twin
why did this post twice?
anyway I'll edit the post for the NEO 22
[link to www.gunmuse.com]
"knowing and not DOING, is like NOT KNOWING at all" |
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Enigma
User ID: 70637
7/31/2008 1:51 PM
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two things on my list...
an theoban airgun...
and another .22 type pistol/rifle.
I'm thinking a Browning BuckMark pistol with scop pr maybe a Ruger.
What pistol also has the "options" of adding a stock? like an old broom handled mauser with the add on stock?
I'm looking for accurate, scoped and pistol.
enigma...
I've been wondering about this beretta NEO 22 plinker handgun they were allegedly going to release a carbine kit for. anyone have any experience with this? sounds like a nice system, in theory Quoting: Anonymous Coward 433259
[link to www.gunsandammomag.com]
"knowing and not DOING, is like NOT KNOWING at all" |
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Evil Twin
Senior Forum Moderator
User ID: 476649
7/31/2008 1:56 PM
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I believe a pistol with a shoulder stock would need a 16" barrel to be legal without a short barreled rifle tax stamp.
i believe that is correct, but I'm not planning on LEAVING any sort of stock or anything... just want it AVAILABLE for a survival situation.
So at present, I'm looking for a pistol, with scope that MAY at some day have the capability of a shoulder mount stock.
I want this for my sailboat and would have it in international waters ANYWAY.
I'm sort of torn between the buckmark and the ruger.
my dad has a buckmark rifle and all the parts interchange between the rifle and pistol.
buck mark with a good scope?
or a ruger mark ? Quoting: Enigma
You might want to check out the Ruger 22 charger, it's a 10/22 pistol, so any aftermarket 10/22 stock would fit it, and there are some nice side folders and collapsible AR style stock out there.
[link to www.ruger-firearms.com] |
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malu
User ID: 476687
7/31/2008 2:06 PM
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I believe a pistol with a shoulder stock would need a 16" barrel to be legal without a short barreled rifle tax stamp.
i believe that is correct, but I'm not planning on LEAVING any sort of stock or anything... just want it AVAILABLE for a survival situation.
So at present, I'm looking for a pistol, with scope that MAY at some day have the capability of a shoulder mount stock.
I want this for my sailboat and would have it in international waters ANYWAY.
I'm sort of torn between the buckmark and the ruger.
my dad has a buckmark rifle and all the parts interchange between the rifle and pistol.
buck mark with a good scope?
or a ruger mark ? Quoting: Enigma
hey guys
you could always go with a 1911 model, i have seen several stock kits for that, plus barrels galore, and use the .22 cal insert, although i know that is a lot of extra hardware
took so damn long to catch up now i have to go to work,, lol
i have to check out that ar15 forum omega mentioned
When peaceful revolution becomes impossible, violent revolution becomes inevitable.
"Hard pressed on my right. My center is yielding. Impossible to maneuver. Situation excellent. I am attacking." |
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Underground_Dude
User ID: 476690
7/31/2008 2:10 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
Guess who's back!
This is all boarding on the strangely weird!
First it was the 16s
then pistol practice
the last 2 days shotguns
I wonder what's next? |
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malu
User ID: 476687
7/31/2008 2:12 PM
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Guess who's back!
This is all boarding on the strangely weird!
First it was the 16s
then pistol practice
the last 2 days shotguns
I wonder what's next? Quoting: Underground_Dude 476690
yeah that is very strange, and probably the only group in the country shooting at a private range, i wonder what is going on with other depts around the country?
any sniper rigs?
When peaceful revolution becomes impossible, violent revolution becomes inevitable.
"Hard pressed on my right. My center is yielding. Impossible to maneuver. Situation excellent. I am attacking." |
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Evil Twin
Senior Forum Moderator
User ID: 476649
7/31/2008 2:20 PM
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Guess who's back!
This is all boarding on the strangely weird!
First it was the 16s
then pistol practice
the last 2 days shotguns
I wonder what's next? Quoting: Underground_Dude 476690
Grenade launchers, naturally! |
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Underground_Dude
User ID: 375903
7/31/2008 2:21 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
any sniper rigs? Quoting: malu
Not yet but that could be for today.
I know they asked for advice from one of the guys about setting up barricades to shoot around. I just can't figure out what they were told that has got them so spooked this is weird.
And I've asked and they're not telling.
All I can say is I'm glad we are deep in the mountains! |
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Underground_Dude
User ID: 375903
7/31/2008 2:30 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
Guess who's back!
This is all boarding on the strangely weird!
First it was the 16s
then pistol practice
the last 2 days shotguns
I wonder what's next?
Grenade launchers, naturally! Quoting: Evil Twin
Who freakin knows?
This town they're from is small and I know the department doesn't have a lot of money yet all the equipment they've been using is new. Including their side arms, all now have 1911s, Benelli shotguns, tasers, 16s, night vision WTF is going on and who is arming them? |
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Underground_Dude
User ID: 455131
7/31/2008 2:35 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
I'm outta here
I'm gonna try to get the kid by himself and see if he'll spill some info then it's back to picking and some shooting.
Later |
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Omega
User ID: 357757
7/31/2008 2:36 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
Man I am sorely tempted. Whaddya think???
[link to www.ar15.com]
It would round out old school for the SP1.
BTW I also have the original M9 bayonet for it...
Handguns are a skill; shotguns an art; rifles a science.
_____________________________________
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on whats for dinner.
Disarmament is the precursor to Genocide.
Better to take action now rather than chances later. Your choice. |
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Evil Twin
Senior Forum Moderator
User ID: 476649
7/31/2008 2:38 PM
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Guess who's back!
This is all boarding on the strangely weird!
First it was the 16s
then pistol practice
the last 2 days shotguns
I wonder what's next?
Grenade launchers, naturally!
Who freakin knows?
This town they're from is small and I know the department doesn't have a lot of money yet all the equipment they've been using is new. Including their side arms, all now have 1911s, Benelli shotguns, tasers, 16s, night vision WTF is going on and who is arming them? Quoting: Underground_Dude 375903
It's hard to believe they are expecting trouble that far from Denver. You'd think they would just close the highway if something major happened. |
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Evil Twin
Senior Forum Moderator
User ID: 476649
7/31/2008 2:42 PM
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Man I am sorely tempted. Whaddya think???
[ link to www.ar15.com]
It would round out old school for the SP1.
BTW I also have the original M9 bayonet for it...
Nice. Hard to beat that, since it was made for your rifle. |
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Omega
User ID: 357757
7/31/2008 2:42 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
Guess who's back!
This is all boarding on the strangely weird!
First it was the 16s
then pistol practice
the last 2 days shotguns
I wonder what's next?
Grenade launchers, naturally!
Who freakin knows?
This town they're from is small and I know the department doesn't have a lot of money yet all the equipment they've been using is new. Including their side arms, all now have 1911s, Benelli shotguns, tasers, 16s, night vision WTF is going on and who is arming them?
It's hard to believe they are expecting trouble that far from Denver. You'd think they would just close the highway if something major happened. Quoting: Evil Twin
It's going down man we are fucked I am getting ready see you all later man time to load up and everything....
Bahahahahahhaha!!!!
Sorry couldn't resist....
Still Underground Dude imparts some curious information....
All's we gotta do is get some more reports of the locals arming up like this then we have a for real connect the dot and my twist off above becomes real,lol...
Handguns are a skill; shotguns an art; rifles a science.
_____________________________________
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on whats for dinner.
Disarmament is the precursor to Genocide.
Better to take action now rather than chances later. Your choice. |
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Evil Twin
Senior Forum Moderator
User ID: 476649
7/31/2008 2:47 PM
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It's going down man we are fucked I am getting ready see you all later man time to load up and everything....
Bahahahahahhaha!!!!
Sorry couldn't resist....
Still Underground Dude imparts some curious information....
All's we gotta do is get some more reports of the locals arming up like this then we have a for real connect the dot and my twist off above becomes real,lol... Quoting: Omega
LOL
All I have to do is grab my vest and bandoliers out of the closet, fill my camelbak, put on my boots and RUN!! lmao |
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Omega
User ID: 357757
7/31/2008 2:52 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
It's going down man we are fucked I am getting ready see you all later man time to load up and everything....
Bahahahahahhaha!!!!
Sorry couldn't resist....
Still Underground Dude imparts some curious information....
All's we gotta do is get some more reports of the locals arming up like this then we have a for real connect the dot and my twist off above becomes real,lol...
LOL
All I have to do is grab my vest and bandoliers out of the closet, fill my camelbak, put on my boots and RUN!! lmao Quoting: Evil Twin
I here ya. I'll kick out the front windshield on that 1977 Ford F150 4x4 I have, put the ar15 on the swivel mount on the dash, and shoot while I drive and run over mutherfuckers and everything,lmao...
Hmmmm....shifting might be a problem though....I am gonna have to work on that...;>)
Handguns are a skill; shotguns an art; rifles a science.
_____________________________________
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on whats for dinner.
Disarmament is the precursor to Genocide.
Better to take action now rather than chances later. Your choice. |
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Evil Twin
Senior Forum Moderator
User ID: 476649
7/31/2008 3:03 PM
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I here ya. I'll kick out the front windshield on that 1977 Ford F150 4x4 I have, put the ar15 on the swivel mount on the dash, and shoot while I drive and run over mutherfuckers and everything,lmao...
Hmmmm....shifting might be a problem though....I am gonna have to work on that...;>) Quoting: Omega
LOL, sounds like fun almost!
Later guys, I'm going to go look around for that AR 10
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Lester
User ID: 476599
7/31/2008 3:20 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
If I was going to rely on one weapon, it would be a short-barreled carbine. A Lewis Machine Tool (LMT) 14.5" AR-15 with permanent flash hider to be BATF compliant. The upper has a 1:7 twist rate barrel so it will stabilize heavier bullets reliably. This M4 configured rifle, with an ACOG sight or Aimpoint is very handy to deploy, lightweight, and durable. LMT barrels are regarded as quite accurate and are also chrome-lined which gives it an enhanced durability factor.
Not "the best" out there, but maybe The Best single firearm solution out there.
As a second choice, a Marlin 1894 in .44magnum and low-power variable scope and sling. A .30-30 Marlin 336 could be considered but the 1894 holds 9 rounds of ammo which enables more defensive utility. If you are loaded with cash, a Steyr Scout rifle or Remington short barreled, stainless fluted could be a great choice. 20" barrel and a quality variable scope or a 3.5x ACOG.
If you only have one weapon, it needs to be handy to deploy and this means a carbine. The AR has great pistol grip design and collapsing stock options plus free-floated barrels give super accuracy. A 16" oal barrel will deliver rifle accuracy out to 350/400yds with heavy bullets and be fast to bear in close encounters. A 30rd magazine option can't hurt, but the 20rd is probably going to be sufficient, especially with several available for fast reloads.
Don't shoot your gun dry, no matter how well your bolt release works. |
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Lester
User ID: 476599
7/31/2008 3:23 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
If you are flush with cash, look at the Noveske rifles. The LMT really needs a float tube, the Noveske will already have it. Highly Esteemed! |
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Prof_Rabbit
User ID: 148352
7/31/2008 10:30 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
How do you think a cat would do around 16 dogs that have never seen a cat except for a mountain lion? Quoting: Underground_Dude 476676
Dude!, you got 16 dogs that can't catch a mouse?
"Anger is a wind that blows out the lamp of your mind" |
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Prof_Rabbit
User ID: 148352
7/31/2008 10:44 PM | |
Prof_Rabbit
User ID: 148352
7/31/2008 10:51 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
I believe a pistol with a shoulder stock would need a 16" barrel to be legal without a short barreled rifle tax stamp.
why did this post twice?
anyway I'll edit the post for the NEO 22
[ link to www.gunmuse.com]
Methinks you want one of these....
[link to www.impulsegunbarrels.com]
"Anger is a wind that blows out the lamp of your mind" |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 467459
7/31/2008 11:02 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
i had to click on the last page, to see who was on it... LOLOL!! SSDD. |
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