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| Lester
User ID: 565617
12/4/2008 2:56 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
I haven't been to a gunshop or spent time in the sporting goods depts of our closest town's retailers that sell guns in a couple of months. Yesterday though, what I saw was very concerning.
If you haven't prepared yourself with weapons discussed on this thread already, you likely waited too long. Or maybe you will have to really pay through the nose to get one.
Sportsmans Warehouse was sold out of most everything. No reloading primers, powder or bullets in the popular diameters and weights. Shotgun primers and powders were all they had. There were a few packages of brass, none in any popular chambering except the .270Win and .22-250. Not much ammunition. Nothing in .22rimfire except shorts, and Win Rimfire Magnum. There was a couple boxes of CCI green label std velocity, lead bullets at $14/100. Same way at the local gunshop. Pawnbrokers had virtually no rifles, some shotguns. No retailer had any semi-auto rifles, not even a mini-14. Didn't see any 10-22s or M1a rifles, not even a Rem 700.
If you are waiting for the rush to drop off and prices to reset, I doubt they will.
It is time to get serious about your provisions for weaponry. |
| Lester
User ID: 566955
12/6/2008 1:23 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
Intending to purchase a weapon is not the same as possessing one. I strongly endorse arming yourself with a primary defensive pistol or rifle ASAP.
Many people, especially gun-people, are amazed at what they see to be an aberation in gun/ammunition/components prices. Yet, the demand far exceeds supply so what a basic AR-15 cost 6 weeks ago has no bearing on what it costs today. Ammunition for common defense weaponry is all but no longer available. Uncommon cartridges are available until they are gone too. It is just taking people a while to realize if they ever want to get another couple boxes of .225 Win, .250-3000, .257 Roberts, 7mm Rem Mag, .32Win, or .444Marlin etc etc; they better buy it now.
It won't take but a few weeks for the public to figure this out.
If there aren't anymore semi-auto military pattern rifles or pistols, then Lever-action and revolvers or target semis will go next.
Seems like 12ga Buckshot rounds and slugs have been in short supply since Summer. If you really want to own a shitload of buckshot rounds, your best recourse would be to buy a MEC 600JR and make them yourself. Instead of buckshot, maybe you load BBs or maybe you can find a good source for ball bearings? Not much rocket science to loading shotgun shells, just takes the right tools to seat wad and crimp shell closed.
Handloading gear could be the most valuable investment you ever made. Components likely already are.
If you ever want to own a semi-auto defense pistol or rifle; now is the time to acquire one. Hold your nose and buy, whoever is selling isn't charging you enough anyway. What price can you place on a tool that can preserve your life and property? |
| Lester
User ID: 566955
12/6/2008 11:10 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
Got a Dremel Tool?
About the most versatile tool you can own for home gunsmithing after a set of punches and a hammer. Be sure you have lots of cut-off wheels and sanding drums. These two common dremel tools will enable you to undertake major modifications and make parts for your firearms.
Been doing some tuning up. Always a good idea if you are a reloader to trim a coil or two off your ejector spring. You want your brass just to drop at about 2 o'clock from where you're firing, not go spinning off to Timbuktu in the deep weeds. Excess ejector pressure also marks up your brass and puts a load on the case as it sets on the bolt. Not really good, and very easy to cure. Just be sure when you drive out the retaining pin you don't drive it all the way out; and then be sure to hold your finger over the boltface or cover it with something to catch the spring and ejector, which otherwise will fly about 20' away and wind up Gone Forever.... |
| Lester
User ID: 567664
12/7/2008 5:34 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
Gunsmithing gear:
If you own a popular self-defense weapon like an AR-15, Colt type 1911 .45auto, or a Remington 700 rifle; you might give some thought to owning some basic gunsmithing tools.
An AR-15 may one day need a rebarrel job. If you have a replacement barrel, a vise, clamshell upper receiver fixture, and an AR-15 armorers wrench, it's pretty easy to change a barrel.
Separate Upper from Lower,
Pull out the bolt carrier group,
Insert Clamshell dummy bolt,
Set upper in clamshell and tighten table vise,
Remove handguards or float tube,
Loosen gas block and slide block w/gas tube off barrel or out of barrelnut/delta ring,
Use Armorer's Wrench to slack tension on delta ring,
Loosen clamshell a bit and remove barrel from upper receiver.
Takes longer to write it than to do it.
It is not rocket science to fit new barrel w/barrel extension. Slide into upper receiver and torque. Some say 30 ft lbs, but basically you are limited by the delta ring alignment anyway. Nothing to be gained by pounding on the Armorer's Wrench with a sledge hammer just to get the torque value.
Barrels will be "shot out" whenever you do long sessions of firing without breaks. Lots of used/like new barrels sold on ar15.com from individuals, or order parts from one of hundreds of outlets and barrelmakers.
Nice to have a barrel vise and action wrench if you are going to change a factory barrel from a bolt rifle. Those are always torqued to hell & back. A hand sledge might be needed to break the barrel free. Definitely want a steel fixture barrel vise with aluminum or hardwood bushings and probably some rosin to hold barrel in place. 3/4" SAE Fine bolts or larger, something you can really torque the hell out of to hold the barrel from movement.
Probably worthwhile to have a firing pin removal tool especially if you have a Rem 700. Win 70 has the middle setting on the safety, so you can remove pin assy and clean/lube it. Remington needs a tool or the bootlace method.
For 1911 you probably need a decent steel bushing wrench, set of pin punches, grip bushing driver, and some other tools. Lots of drop in replacement barrels, bushings and link pins.
There was a list put up on this thread in the early pages taken from JB Wood's recommendations for spare parts. Wood wrote 24 columns for Mel Tappan's Personal Survival Newsletter. Mostly you need firing pin, ejector, extractor and their pins and springs to cover most common breakages. Wood and Tappan agreed that it was foolish to buy "parts guns" when most common parts broken are very cheap. |
| Lester
User ID: 568370
12/8/2008 7:54 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
Evil Twin has a thread today about Cheaper Than Dirt being sold out of anything that Obama might tax or ban...
Well, Ol' Lester done tol ya the day was a comin'.
If you get nothing else, buy a Lee Loader and a kinetic bullet puller. You can scrounge ammunition components and reuse them in your weapon if you can pull bullets.
Soon to come, more about Survival Gunsmithing and Reloading. |
| Lester
User ID: 599369
1/23/2009 12:46 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
As Mel Tappan expected, handguns and assault weapons should be among your first acquisitions because once they are banned or legislation is introduced they will no longer be readily available.
Hasn't this happened? Come to pass in the last couple of months?
There are no AR-15 barrels or building parts available from suppliers. Banks these companies work with are no longer able to conduct regular business. Will the credit crunch and banking consolidation essentially end production in every area of our society and others?
Lots of people are broke.
You haunt the pawnshops, read craigslist and gunboards you might find what you are looking for. You sure will find what you can use.
Maybe all you can get are parts?
With a Remington Sendero in .25-06, .270win or .30-06, if you can find a .308 PSS or Varmint Special barrel, you got a working .308 on a long action which is a good thing. Maybe the Best Thing. You can now shoot even the longest bullets (carefully since the barrel isn't throated for 200-240gr bullets), and once the barrel throat is shot out in about 7K rounds, you can find someone with a .30-06 reamer and improve that barrel and have a like-new rifle again for another 5krds.
Versatile? The American 30cal/.308 diameter ctgs are where it is at.
Live in an area without elk, bear or big-ass men? A .223 with bullets heavier than 55gr will work for you.
Got reasons to favor something more exotic than a standard American rifle ctg? The world is your oyster, if no longer your ammo dump. Just be sure you got parts and spares to keep your arms functioning.
Looks kinda to me as if it is all over but the shooting.
Banking collapses, Production collapses, Transportation collapses; and then there is nothing to buy or even barter for unless you can find an individual with what you need.
Time to cue up that INXS song...
For the loss of a horshoe nail... |
| Enigma
User ID: 578473
1/23/2009 1:22 PM
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I recently traded a Colt 1911 for a Sako Tikka T3 in .308 with a stainless bull barrel and composite stock...
what an EXCELLNET rifle.
many would say BLASPHEMY on getting rid of the .45, but it was the ONLY .45 caliber I had, and while it shot well, just wasn't my cup of tea... I'm consolidating calibers and .308 is a better thing for me...
I've got plenty of handguns anyway, so the loss of one is no big deal.
After shooting Omega's .44 mag wheelgun, I'm seriously considering getting one, or maybe a .45 long colt gun...
The Taurus Judge has caught my eye since it came out as it will shoot .45 LC and .410
man o man that Sako has a sweet trigger, and my dad gave me a Bushnell 6x18 varmint scope to go on it...
suuuhhhwwwwweeet!
"knowing and not DOING, is like NOT KNOWING at all" |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 553830
1/23/2009 1:36 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
Way to go Enigma!
I'm not a .45 person either. I've had several really "nice" ones, but they're just not my cup of tea.
I like my .308's and 7.62x51's
What are you going to do for mass quantities of ammo?
Have you got the components to crank them out? |
| Evil Twin  
Senior Forum Moderator
1/23/2009 1:41 PM
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Can't really go wrong with a big bore wheel gun, either .44 or .45 Colt, especially if you handload.
One of these days, I'd like to get my hands on a .454 Casull, with an extra cylinder chambered for .45 acp.
To visualize the coming apocalypse, imagine, if you will, Oprah & Rosie O'Donnell wrestling for the last rib at an all-you can-eat Bar-B-Q... |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 553830
1/23/2009 2:05 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
Get a load of this shit. A couple months ago I bought a 200 round pack of federal .223's at wally world to plink with. Well yesterday I took a .223 chambered ar15 out for it's first firing. I grabbed that box of federal .223's and headed out just before dusk to pop a few off to see if it functioned.
I shot several other guns and right at dusk loaded 10-15 shells into that .223.
I pop them off and collect the brass and head home.
When I got home I got the brass out to see what kind of marks were on it, and got around to looking at the primer and low and behold the fucking cases were lake city 08 nato stamped!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MotherFuckers!!!!!!!!
If I WANTED to shoot 5.56 I would have!!!!!!!
SHIT!
I'm not sure of what consequences this will have on my NEW barrel...but I'm not at all happy about it! |
| starbattle
User ID: 498149
1/23/2009 2:17 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
I don't like guns. However, before the rumored Longwalkers,
the Nephilim Giants of biblical lore, show up in actuality,
I could fall in love with guns pretty quick. |
| Evil Twin
Senior Forum Moderator
1/23/2009 2:22 PM
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Get a load of this shit. A couple months ago I bought a 200 round pack of federal .223's at wally world to plink with. Well yesterday I took a .223 chambered ar15 out for it's first firing. I grabbed that box of federal .223's and headed out just before dusk to pop a few off to see if it functioned.
I shot several other guns and right at dusk loaded 10-15 shells into that .223.
I pop them off and collect the brass and head home.
When I got home I got the brass out to see what kind of marks were on it, and got around to looking at the primer and low and behold the fucking cases were lake city 08 nato stamped!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MotherFuckers!!!!!!!!
If I WANTED to shoot 5.56 I would have!!!!!!!
SHIT!
I'm not sure of what consequences this will have on my NEW barrel...but I'm not at all happy about it! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 553830
With that few rounds, I wouldn't worry about it too much, unless the brass showed signs of over-pressure.
To visualize the coming apocalypse, imagine, if you will, Oprah & Rosie O'Donnell wrestling for the last rib at an all-you can-eat Bar-B-Q... |
| Omega
User ID: 599483
1/23/2009 3:43 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
hey speaking of shooting I took only me to the range yesterday for her first time ever shooting guns and started her off with the .22 buckmark at 7 yards. She put a few through the X ring boys so I moved her up to the .38 and man sillhoute and she busted some sucking chests wounds then proceeded to shoot the fucked in the balls. Wearing high heels lmao... That 38 barks purty good on a wimmins she was a trooper I am very proud .woo hoo!!!
Laterz ....
Handguns are a skill; shotguns an art; rifles a science.
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Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on whats for dinner.
Disarmament is the precursor to Genocide.
Better to take action now rather than chances later. Your choice. |
| Evil Twin
Senior Forum Moderator
1/23/2009 3:46 PM
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hey speaking of shooting I took only me to the range yesterday for her first time ever shooting guns and started her off with the .22 buckmark at 7 yards. She put a few through the X ring boys so I moved her up to the .38 and man sillhoute and she busted some sucking chests wounds then proceeded to shoot the fucked in the balls. Wearing high heels lmao... That 38 barks purty good on a wimmins she was a trooper I am very proud .woo hoo!!!
Laterz .... Quoting: Omega
Nice!
Another gunny addict in the making! LOL
To visualize the coming apocalypse, imagine, if you will, Oprah & Rosie O'Donnell wrestling for the last rib at an all-you can-eat Bar-B-Q... |
| Lester
User ID: 604938
1/31/2009 3:58 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
bump bump and away..... |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 604676
2/22/2009 10:29 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 456942
2/22/2009 10:38 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
Get a load of this shit. A couple months ago I bought a 200 round pack of federal .223's at wally world to plink with. Well yesterday I took a .223 chambered ar15 out for it's first firing. I grabbed that box of federal .223's and headed out just before dusk to pop a few off to see if it functioned.
I shot several other guns and right at dusk loaded 10-15 shells into that .223.
I pop them off and collect the brass and head home.
When I got home I got the brass out to see what kind of marks were on it, and got around to looking at the primer and low and behold the fucking cases were lake city 08 nato stamped!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MotherFuckers!!!!!!!!
If I WANTED to shoot 5.56 I would have!!!!!!!
SHIT!
I'm not sure of what consequences this will have on my NEW barrel...but I'm not at all happy about it! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 553830
Why on earth would anyone have an AR-15 chambered for .223? |
| Enigma
User ID: 578473
2/22/2009 10:52 PM
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I don't like guns. However, before the rumored Longwalkers,
the Nephilim Giants of biblical lore, show up in actuality,
I could fall in love with guns pretty quick. Quoting: starbattle 498149
even the assgaard fear force projectile weeaponry... and long walkers bleed just like you and i...
"knowing and not DOING, is like NOT KNOWING at all" |
| Enigma
User ID: 578473
2/22/2009 10:54 PM
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Get a load of this shit. A couple months ago I bought a 200 round pack of federal .223's at wally world to plink with. Well yesterday I took a .223 chambered ar15 out for it's first firing. I grabbed that box of federal .223's and headed out just before dusk to pop a few off to see if it functioned.
I shot several other guns and right at dusk loaded 10-15 shells into that .223.
I pop them off and collect the brass and head home.
When I got home I got the brass out to see what kind of marks were on it, and got around to looking at the primer and low and behold the fucking cases were lake city 08 nato stamped!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MotherFuckers!!!!!!!!
If I WANTED to shoot 5.56 I would have!!!!!!!
SHIT!
I'm not sure of what consequences this will have on my NEW barrel...but I'm not at all happy about it!
Why on earth would anyone have an AR-15 chambered for .223? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 456942
why would ANYONE have a .223 anyway?
not good for much more than prarie dogs and coyotes...
not even legal to hunt deer with...
not that I would be stupid enough to shoot a deer with a .22 unless it was a head shot.
"knowing and not DOING, is like NOT KNOWING at all" |
| NOLADOG
User ID: 466677
2/22/2009 11:03 PM
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"V" for Vendetta..SUCKS MORE than George Noory EVER COULD!!!!! AND HE IS PROUD OF IT!!!!!
"V" is for Vermin...the creatures you call an exterminator for to get rid of. |
| Lester
User ID: 620919
2/22/2009 11:24 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
Why the .223 in an AR-15???
Well.... lotsa reasons, but mainly it depends....
Got a barrel with 1:8 or faster twist? Then you can reliably and accurately shoot the heavy boolets... 90gr boolets are extremely accurate. 75gr, 77gr, 80gr are excellent.
How many cartridges you figure on needing?
Nice to have a 30rd magazine of longrange accurate match ammo which will kill deer and anything else. A .22lr will kill deer, not like a .223 Remington won't. I have recovered many 75gr match bullets from rock/gravel backstops and they get mangled very intensely, but hang together. Flesh and bone is not as hard as igneous rock. Will a 75gr BTHP break a moose's shoulder bone? Probably, but with 5 or 10 rds placed in him, you'll find him dead if you can track worth a damn. Think elk are some superhero deer? Can kill them too with a .223.
Guess what? In the context of SURVIVAL GUNS you aren't worried about game laws or clean-kill. Nice to get, but taking home the meat is the critical agenda.
Not a big deal to carry 400rds of .223. Try carrying 400rds of .308.
Haven't touched on the inherent accuracy capability of the rifle due to bolt carrier barrel integration, or simplicity of field or user repair rebuilding. Easy to handload. Uses half the powder of a .308. Negligible recoil. Relatively lightweight. More accessories and rifle specific gear than any other rifle ever produced. Has excellent sights in A2 configuration or in A4 with integral picatinny rail. Reliable.
Easy to swap upper receiver assemblies, pull two takedown pins and in 5 secs you're done. Maybe you want one of about 20 different ctgs in your alternate upper?
The .223 with correct ammunition is hard to beat.
Might like to have a 6.5Grendel or 6mmAR Turbo, but why? Gonna really shoot 1000yds? May as well buy that 6.5 twist barrel and shoot the 90gr VLD bullets. Figure to be semi-auto shooting at 1000yds? 90gr JLK tested by Canadian Rifle Club 15-20 shot groups averaged 2.5" vertical dispersion at 1000yds. Is .25moa good enough for ya? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 598227
2/22/2009 11:33 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
Yugo SKS.
Cheap, powerful, reliable and uses one of the most common rounds ever made, the 7.62 x 39mm. Semi auto fire carbine, fully legal in all 50 states. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 379765
2/22/2009 11:35 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
>223 is fun to plink targets with. That's why somebody would have one. They also have a lot of power behind them. I would not want to get hit by a .223 round from an AR-15. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 379765
2/22/2009 11:46 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
Of course, for a bush rifle, my trusty 30-30 with easily reloadable brass and flying bricks that don't go flying off target with a few intervening branches or twigs is nice. |
| Lester
User ID: 620919
2/22/2009 11:58 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
You can handload spitzer bullets for your .30-30 also. You know only to single-load these, but hornady does have some soft tip bullets to get better flight characteristics to the .30-30.
I have a win 94 .30-30. Nice rifle. had a Williams aperture rear sight on it, no more. Prefer the 170gr flat points for .30-30. Actually prefer the .44mag in a lever rifle. Very handy and flat. Great to stash one in one of those seatcover rigs with the driver side pocket for rifle, or over the dash. |
| Lester
User ID: 624428
2/28/2009 7:27 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
Bump up for topic relevance |
| Lester
User ID: 625857
3/1/2009 5:34 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
Colt 1911 type pistols:
Magazine, extractor, sear, firing pin, disconnector, sear spring, ejector, barrel link pin. grip screw(s), firing pin spring, recoil spring. Nice to have a spare hammer, bushing, maybe a complete pin and spring kit. Wolf's spring kit is very nice value for the money. Maybe you look at replacing your magazine followers with arredondo or pachmayr followers, and put a recoil buffer in your slide system. Give some consideration to a Ciener .22LR conversion unit as they are affordable and make a great training aid and extend usefulness greatly.
Ruger Mk II pistols:
Firing pin, extractor, recoil spring assembly. Nice to improve on factory parts with Volquartson or other aftermarket makers like Clark etc. Good to have spare springs and pins. Good to have a diagram for disassembly etc if you don't have your Ruger manual.
Ruger 10/22 semi-auto rifle:
Firing pin, FP return spring; extractor w/plunger & spring, magazine.
This rifle is capable of being tuned to extraordinary accuracy. Volquartson and others make a wide variety of accessory parts. Nice to have the extended bolt lock and magazine release levers. A picatinny rail gives interchangability to your scope system with other rifles. An aftermarket barrel and stock kit add much to potential accuracy. Very handy with short, heavy barrel and plastic or laminated stock.
Smith & Wesson revolvers:
Hammer nose & rivet, hammer spring, cylinder stop & spring, grip screw, sideplate screw spares, hand & sping. Wolf and other tune-up kits from Cylinder & Slide are very nice and easy to install. Kuhnhausen's manual is especially worthwhile for these handguns because so much of their interanals are/were hand fitted for functioning and there are many tricks to tune and assemble them correctly. S&W at one time sold parts direct.
Marlin 39 lever action .22 rifles:
Firing pin, extractor, ejector & spring, magazine tube complete.
Remington 870 pump shotgun:
Firing pin & return spring; extractor w/plunger & spring, R&L shell stop.
Greatly accessorized, these shotguns have pin sets, spring sets and tuned parts available readily. Ejector assembly and other parts reportedly have very rare incidents of breakage yet maybe you want a spare and the rivets needed to install it?
Winchester 94 lever action rifle:
Firing pin, hammer spring, sear spring, extractor.
Marlin 336 etc:
Firing pin, FP striker & spring; ejector & spring, extractor.
M1a semi-auto rifle:
Firing pin; extractor, spring & plunger; ejector & spring, recoil spring, gas piston; gas valve spring, spindle & pin. Spare magazines.
Ruger Mini-14:
Firing pin; extractor, spring & plunger; ejector & spring, recoil spring, hammer spring, magazine latch spring, trigger guard, gas piston. Spare magazines.
Remington 700 and other bolt rifles:
Firing pin and spring assembly with barrel shroud (for ease of installation), spare set of action screws, magazine spring, extractor with rivet (or extractor w/spring & pin if mauser type bolt). Spare screws for scope base mounts, spare sling swivel studs and qd swivels.
AR-10 & AR-15 rifles:
Firing Pin, bolt takedown pin, spare assembled bolt or entire bolt carrier assy unit, carrier key screws; extractor, o-ring, spring and pin; ejector, spring & pin; gas tube & pin, gas ring set or McFarland ring for AR-10, Pin plunger and spring set for lower receiver, spare recoil spring, buffer and tube w/stock extension if use A2 or other full length stock. Spare gas block or A2 front sight assy (w/sight parts) also a good idea for long functioning potential. Roll pin can cup pin punches are worth investing in for dissembling gas assy parts. |
| Lester
User ID: 640445
3/22/2009 5:21 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
Lester
User ID: 640445
3/22/2009 5:12 PM
Edit Your Post
Re: What to do with $2000 and How to Deploy it??? Quote
Guy on the forum asks about what to do with $200,000???
from above thread....
Read this thread about weapons, there are differences that are vital. Better to have defensive weapons than others. Buy the right defensive weapons (AR-10 or AR-15, Colt 1911) and you can hunt and take game easily with them. Buy others that are designed for sporting/hunting use, and they could fail when you need them most. Best solution, buy all you can afford or budget after you have other priorities met. First Priority is defensive weapons, ammunition and accessories for those weapons.....
For how many persons/families?
What do you already own?
How long can you go without working?
Money buys you time to devote 100% to your projects.
How seriously do you view the current situation?
How much additional capital do you have to reserve?
Is this money make/break or simply available?
Easy to deploy $200K
Spend $5k on homeopathic and herbal remedies plus other first aid and medical references
Spend $50k on Alternative energy: 3-4 wind generators 600w/hr ea (IF you get 12mph winds routinely), 2 Quality Sine Wave Inverters w/batt charger, 24 quality solar panels, 16 Trojanl L16 batteries, Plenty of 0000 cable for array transmission......
$15k on used diesel tractor with disc, blade, and other implements depending upon your terrain and soils
$5k on diesel fuel and storage tank.
$2K on 2 Toyotomi fuel miser vented fuel oil #1/#2 heaters
$10k on whole grains, canned foods, seasonings, grain mill, elec & hand crank
$8K on two quality cargo trailers (maybe)
Weapons for each household member, defense & working rifles and pistols several shotguns. Ammunition, handloading gear, bullet casting, components, plus gunsmithing tools
Chainsaws, 2-4; axes, swedish saws, hatchets, other outdoor cutting tools.
Variety of tents, several sleeping bags for ea house member, outdoor cooking gear, binoculars, spotting scope...
In depth supply of quality Kitchen utensils, food prep machinery, dehydrator, pressure cookers/canners, Water Filters.
Got specific questions?
Read my Essentials for the coming changes thread.
All That Stuff might be of value to you.
Maybe you buy an older RV and school bus or two for some remote property; or your brothers & sisters all setup for mobile relocation to some BLM land or Natl/State Forest and get there in time to establish your enclave, stake your claim?
Gear, food, water purifying and sources, defensive weapons, shelter....
Warm, Dry, Hydrated, Fed, and Capable of Defense.
Do as much as you can with what you have.
$200K isn't much if you are starting from scratch.
If you own a ranch, have cattle and eqpt to raise food; likely you have $500K of gear already.
What have you done with the money you've earned?
If you have goods and gear, you are ahead of most.
Right Now, Weapons, food, Alternative energy, fuels, and other supplies are in demand. Prices will go up as more are removed from the market. Oil will go back up over $100 soon. |
| Lester
User ID: 684974
5/22/2009 11:13 AM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
What is new with this topic?
Saw some discussion about primers recently. Gunshop owner posting that Remington, Winchester etc would NOT be releasing primers until they catch up on ammunition production.
That will likely be a while. Gunpowder likely in the same vein of limited availability.
I was able to buy some Nosler match bullets the other day at almost double the former price. If you have brass and components, may as well assemble rounds with what you have. (Got a bullet puller?)
Are you conserving your ammunition?
If you don't have the basic trigger control and sight alignment thing down solidly, I recommend buying Jeff Cooper's book, To Ride, Shoot Straight, and Tell The Truth. In it, Cooper gives detailed narrative about trigger control, surprise break, sight alignment etc. A good read for many reasons. Cooper's book, The Art of The Rifle, likely also contains many how-to teaching narratives. There aren't many such writings out there. Massad Ayoob's book, In The Gravest Extreme is a bit dated, but still has good discussion about concealed handgun carry. Likely there are many other more current books on the subject, maybe he has written an update?
Excessive dry firing is not good for rimfires, but is fine for centerfires, even without snap-cap gizmos. Might also think about getting Brownell's 4 volume set of books on gunsmithing, Gunsmith Kinks and the NRA Gunsmithing Guides, and the Gun Digest books showing exploded views of common guns and their dissembly/assembly. |
| Lester
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10/29/2009 12:29 AM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
Have recently discovered Reloader 17 powder.
Go to 6mmbr.com and search the article archive for an amazing German Salazar report on how this powder enables a 200fps boost to the .284 Winchester and does NOT produce pressure problems.
Currently in their gun of the week feature is a 10lb .284 win tactical hunting rifle that is worth seeing.
Lightweight rifles with new-age powders may give magnum ctgs a real run for their money.
Americans are buying an average of more than 1,000,000 firearms per month!
Hope you have gotten yours... |
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