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| Lester
User ID: 473805
7/26/2008 3:36 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
Working gun selection.
The Remington 700 is regarded & proven as the most accurate, right out of the carton, factory centerfire rifle. Winchester 70, Savage, Browning, Ruger others make fine accurate rifles; but buy a Remington 700 and you have basis for a custom rifle and access to more accessories than any other model.
The basic selection of working rifles might include:
.223 Remington or .22-250 for varmints
.243 Winchester for varmints, deer or antelope
.270 Winchester for deer and elk
.30-30 Win for deer
.308 or .30-06 for all-around use
.300Win or .338Win for big game
.35 Whelen for big game
.45-70 for big game.
Sure don't "need" all of them, but do your really "need" more than a driver, iron, wedge and a putter to play golf; (which I don't play).
Then there are the more special purpose or expert's-choice cartridges:
.220 swift
6mm Remington
.257 Roberts
.260Rem
.280Rem
7mm/08
The Weatherby Magnums
.375 H&H mag
.458 Win Mag
Bound to have left some out. Yet, for the sportsman there is no reason not to have them all. For the survivalist, bolt weapons that duplicate the defensive ctgs are a Great Idea~!
Nice to have a bolt .223Rem. I like Sakos because they have a smaller size receiver, at least in the Vixen I own. Like owning a Rolex watch, a thing of real beauty and precision. The Remington 700 Varmint in .223 is way too heavy; although very accurate. Yet, the AR-15 is also capable of even finer accuracy than the Rem 700. I endorse the AR-15 as a defensive weapon without peer, so unless you want a bolt action, maybe all you need is a precision Varmint style upper for your AR-15? |
| Lester
User ID: 473805
7/26/2008 3:55 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
Probably, the Armalite Platform weapon systems time has come for the survivalist. The AR-10 can do it all. The AR-15 is more convenient. Having both a .308 and .223 battle rifle is GOOD! Especially when you can select from about 10 various cartridges to fill any mission or need you have!
The AR-15 chambered for .223/5.56mm with a 1 in 7 twist barrel is VERY VERSATILE. 40gr to 90gr ammo can be fired with great accuracy. 77gr ammo is the heaviest that will function from magazines, but the 75 or 77gr bullets will take deer and other large game fairly reliably. They will also up the lethality over 55/62gr bullets in a defensive situation. A GREAT CHOICE for many reasons.
With the ability to change barrels and cartridges in 10seconds, the AR-15 is VERSATILE and CAPABLE. The 6x47, 6mmAR, 6.5 Grendel, and 6.8SPC enable the same lower receiver to fire bullets weighing up to 150 grains and some like the Grendel and 6mmAR with superb accuracy out to 1000yds. Forgot that the .458 Socom, .50AE, .50 Beowulf and other ctgs w/rebated caseheads are chambered in AR-15 uppers.
With an A-4 flat top receiver, the AR can mount almost any kind of scope or battle sight and since the scope base is integral to the receiver, do so with even better precision than many bolt rifles.
The AR-10 is a larger receiver, heavier rifle at about 11.5 lbs w/loaded mag versus 9 lbs for an AR-15; yet, it fires the much more versatile .308 bullet at up to 180gr. An AR-10 with 20rd mag will take any game on earth; IF you get your repeat shots in and can wait for the game to die. Probably not what you choose to go for Cape Buffalo or Kodiak Brown Bear, yet with 180gr premium bullets you could do the job.
The AR-10 upper can be built to fire a greater variety of ctgs than the AR-15. .22-250, .243, 260Rem, 7mm/08, .308, .338Fed, .358Win, and .450 Marlin. The .300 Rem Short Action Ultra Mag is also factory supplied by Armalite and DPMS; maybe by Rock River Arms as well. |
| Lester
User ID: 473805
7/26/2008 4:16 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
Unless you really want to tie-up funds in many rifles, I think the dual-purpose Defense rifle is the best approach. Have several uppers for special applications, but rely on your barrel twist and handloading of selected bullets in standard .308 and .223 to do all you could envision.
Maybe, just maybe, you want a Longrange precision rifle? Yet, unless you are shooting elk or moose across canyons, and there are guys who do hunt with .338 Edge and Lapua monster rifles weighing 40lbs (see longrangehunting.com); what is the purpose?
Got plans to go out with your Sendero and snipe? With a 24" barreled Ar-10T and tuned 175 sierra matchking ammo you can likely do it all with the .308... Plenty of guys shoot 10shots into 6" at 600yds with AR-15 service rifles every weekend. Single load your 80gr match handloads and make your shot. These rifles shoot .5moa or less in still wind situations and typically outshoot the best match M14 rifles under all but the windiest conditions.
There is lots to be said for the fast followup shot from a semi-auto at longrange when you are in the field. Military snipers are using Knight's SR25 rifles (AR-10T) with suppressors in Iraq. Suppressed semis are very capable at longrange IF your scope has enough vertical adjustment. Fixed power Leupold Mk 4 scopes do.
A Remington 700 BDL is a very accurate hunting rifle. A Varmint Special or Sendero with fluted stainless barrel is a great walkabout rifle as their weight is close to the hunting BDL. Custom barrel and a trigger job on one of these and you have a great basic bolt rifle that will shoot accurately for 5000 rds (in .308win). Yet, when you have to fire 60-100rds really fast, only a rifle made for the task will do. Unless you have spare barrels and talent to install them, your boltgun barrel will be toast while a chromelined defensive weapon will be begging for more, at least for a while. John Noveske makes some barrels from machinegun blanks to get longest barrel life possible for his customers.
A Sendero or VS makes a great woodsroaming & hunting rifle. Nice to have all the options you can afford.
If I were to have only one rifle; it would be an Armalite M-15 (AR-15) or AR-10 A4 w/scope and 18-20" barrel. |
| Lester
User ID: 473805
7/26/2008 4:42 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
Working rifles selection
Youth models are often available. These have shorter length of pull stocks which are great for those of smaller frame dimensions, or maybe just those with short arms. A wooden stocked rifle can easily be modified; maybe a plastic one too, but not so a fiberglass stock. McMillan or H-S Precision are about the best choices in custom stockmakers for rifles intended for precision shooting. McMillan pioneered the field and has more options and styles than any other maker.
A working rifle should have a scope sight, unless it is intended to be a truck gun, or tucked in a saddle scabbard. Most rifle competitions require metallic/iron sights. A precision aperture sight can deliver at 1000yds very easily, but that is a very specialty item. Williams or Redfield aperture sights are rugged and durable. Apperture sights are also found on most serious military weapons. Those of the AR system are exceptionally capable and durable.
Great Working Rifles?
Rem 700 in any flavor.
Winchester 94 in .30-30, or Win/Browning 86 in .30-06
Marlin 336 in .30-30 or .35Rem
Marlin 1894 in .357mag or .44mag
Marlin 1894 in .444marlin, .45-70, or .450marlin
Winchester 70 any flavor
Savage 110,
Browning FN any flavor
Ruger 77 any flavor
Steyr-Mannlicher Pro hunter or Cooper Scout rifle
Sako any model any flavor
Lee-Enfield .303enfield
Mauser in 7mm/8mm chambering
Howa in any flavor
Weatherby in any flavor or model but esp non-magnum
Colt Sauer, Blazer, KDF, custom rifles are fine, but be sure of parts availability. Not many USA gunsmiths fabricat metric parts.
Lots of rifles not mentioned. Any rifle more powerful than .30-30 is a good choice. Nothing less powerful than .30-30, unless for varmints only, is a good choice.
Other fine rifles:
Any drilling or combo rifle you can handload for.
Winchester 88 lever action in any chambering.
Winchester 100 semi-auto, not as versatile as a defensive weapon, but decent.
Remington 7600 pump action in most standard ctgs
7400 auto again poor choice compared to defensive semi-auto
Sako Finnwolf lever action in .243 or .308
Savage Campguns over under 12ga/.30-30, .223/.20ga |
| Lester
User ID: 473805
7/26/2008 5:03 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
Scopes and mount systems for Working rifles:
Most critical aspect of scope system is the base and rings. Picatinny-slotted base or Weaver slotted base is much better than any STD type system, although the Dual Dovetail system and Leupold Quick Release QR systems are EXCELLENT alternatives.
If you want to shoot with precision you need to mount your scope with precision. Badger Ordnance bases and rings are about the defacto standard for this. Near Manufacturing bases are better, Warne is about the best at entry level. In terms of best value for rings, I have sold my Badger Ord rings and use Tactical Precision almost exclusively; great quality/superb value.
To shoot longrange you will need an elevated MOA base. These are canted or sloped at the back moving your scope reticle down, so to be zeroed at 100yds, your scope vertical movement uses almost every available movement or click to gain distance. IE, if you have a Leupold scope with 48moa of vertical travel, you basically have 24moa or a bit less for distance adjustment. Shooting past 600yds will not be possible without an MOA enhanced scopebase, unless you use holdover which is pretty iffy. Nice to have a scope with click turret adjustments and lots of movement.
I would consider longrange scope base over a regular hunting base simply for the flexibility. There is a longrange base made for the STD system, but the STD is a pretty gimpy mount system so disregard that unless you have no other choice. Funny how many $1200 rifles w/$1000 scopes you see with $20 STD longrange bases. Probably why they are for sale? The gun wouldn't perfom with the crappy mount system.
Ruger 77 rifles and Sako rifles have integral bases and they are limited in terms of options. Avoid these if possible. You want a Picatinny or Weaver type rail. You can enlarge the Weaver rail with a file or milling machine to accept Picatinny spec rings. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 473805 (OP)
7/26/2008 5:35 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
Working Centerfire handguns:
Not many working hanguns will be pistols. Semi-auto designs are not as flexible as revolvers. Even the Desert Eagle .44mag pistol cannot digest anything but near-maximum velocity handloads unless you want to use it as a single-shot. There are many proponents of the .357Sig. I've never fired one. A 9mm is not adequate for defense and a .357magnum revolver with 6" or 8-3/8" barrel is better.
Not much reason, unless you already own one, to opt for a .38special or .44mag or .45colt over their magnum big brothers. The magnums can chamber the specials and enable much more flexibility. .357magnum, .44magnum and .454Casull are the primary working cartridges to consider.
Sure, the .32 H&R Magnum is a sweetheart, but why go for a .30 when a .357 will do more and a .38sp can be loaded to almost pellet gun mildness? Why opt for the .41magnum when the .44 also offers the special? The .45Colt has lots going for it, but why not the Casull or .460 S&W?
Power. Power is something you may definitely need from your working gun. A 4" or 2.5" .357 is pretty marginal in the power dept. Yet a S&W 66 is very handy especially the pocket size 2.5" snubby. Yet, the .357 needs barrel length to make power. Look at the ballistics yourself and decide.
Best all-around working handgun is the S&W mod 29 or 629 in 4" barrel. Heavy? Kinda, but they can be carried in your back pocket or waist band and any handgun firing a 200+ grain bullet is serious medicine! Handloading is a must for the .44mag. The best working gun loads are going to be the fairly mild 240 gr hardcast flat-nosed semi-wadcutter bullets. Unless you are hunting bear, full-power loads simply are too much. Hollowpoints are most often encountered in factory ammo, but you will learn to prefer softnose flat-points. A working handgun is for taking game when the opportunity presents itself, because you have your handgun with you. You don't want to have to throw away half a deer because you blew it apart. You also want to be able to fire without flinching, better a 1100fps load than one at 1400; the deer won't know the difference.
When you need Real Power, you don't need to push your .44 into handcannon mode. The .454 Casull is fantastic! The Ruger Super Redhawk is very smooth in double-action mode and handles the extra power with ease. Handloading, again, makes it a joy to shoot; that and the Ruger grips which help tame recoil. Lyman makes a cast bullet mold which gives me a 345gr bullet with huge meplat area. Very accurate, no need for gaschecks w/wheelweight alloy, and penetrates 27" into cottonwood from point blank distance. This is a real handcannon, but easy to shoot. Easier than my 44mag w/factory loads.
Nice to be able to scope a .22 pistol or hunting handgun. The Ruger has built in rings, but Wiegand makes a slotted rail that installs very easily.
One other hangun that is worth considering is the Thompson Center Contender. Very interesting and customizable. A bit awkward but may be of interest to some. If you want to fire a rifle ctg in a handgun, the Contender is likely your ticket.
Handloading is what turns any weapon into a versatile and flexible tool. Being able to cast your own bullets and make ammunition is very confidence inspiring. More on this later.
CCI makes shot ctg ammunition that is worth considering for snake protection and pest removal. Easy to shoot and the two copperheads I killed with it when out with my little kids, years back, proved its worth to me. When you have a 2yr old in a backpack carrier, your aim tends to be skewed as your 5yr old wanders over toward the snake! CCI shredded the snake pretty well though. Nice from a short barrel .357! Some writers even advise it for home defense, but who wants a lawsuit for blinding a would-be rapist? Better to use a cast bullet and mild load for fast repeat shots and accuracy. |
| Suggestion
User ID: 473920
7/26/2008 5:58 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
Everyone should be buying AK-47s right now. Prices are (were) cheap and are starting to go up quickly.
there will probably be no more due to ban on inporting kits with barrels.
[link to www.gunbroker.com]
Saiga's (New production Russian AKs without pistol grips) can still be had for under $300.
They are not ARs or prized for their accuracy, but just about everyone can afford one.
I would go with 7.62x39
Just mho.
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| CountryJoe
User ID: 447201
7/26/2008 6:02 PM
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the 12ga shotgun has that "clack clack" of chambering a round that is a powerful deterrent in an of itself..for long range i like .30 cal carbine.
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"we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There's no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we're the imagination of ourselves..Bill Hicks" |
| Omega
User ID: 340280
7/26/2008 6:31 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
Working rifles selection
Youth models are often available. These have shorter length of pull stocks which are great for those of smaller frame dimensions, or maybe just those with short arms. A wooden stocked rifle can easily be modified; maybe a plastic one too, but not so a fiberglass stock. McMillan or H-S Precision are about the best choices in custom stockmakers for rifles intended for precision shooting. McMillan pioneered the field and has more options and styles than any other maker.
A working rifle should have a scope sight, unless it is intended to be a truck gun, or tucked in a saddle scabbard. Most rifle competitions require metallic/iron sights. A precision aperture sight can deliver at 1000yds very easily, but that is a very specialty item. Williams or Redfield aperture sights are rugged and durable. Apperture sights are also found on most serious military weapons. Those of the AR system are exceptionally capable and durable.
Great Working Rifles?
Rem 700 in any flavor.
Winchester 94 in .30-30, or Win/Browning 86 in .30-06
Marlin 336 in .30-30 or .35Rem
Marlin 1894 in .357mag or .44mag
Marlin 1894 in .444marlin, .45-70, or .450marlin
Winchester 70 any flavor
Savage 110,
Browning FN any flavor
Ruger 77 any flavor
Steyr-Mannlicher Pro hunter or Cooper Scout rifle
Sako any model any flavor
Lee-Enfield .303enfield
Mauser in 7mm/8mm chambering
Howa in any flavor
Weatherby in any flavor or model but esp non-magnum
Colt Sauer, Blazer, KDF, custom rifles are fine, but be sure of parts availability. Not many USA gunsmiths fabricat metric parts.
Lots of rifles not mentioned. Any rifle more powerful than .30-30 is a good choice. Nothing less powerful than .30-30, unless for varmints only, is a good choice.
Other fine rifles:
Any drilling or combo rifle you can handload for.
Winchester 88 lever action in any chambering.
Winchester 100 semi-auto, not as versatile as a defensive weapon, but decent.
Remington 7600 pump action in most standard ctgs
7400 auto again poor choice compared to defensive semi-auto
Sako Finnwolf lever action in .243 or .308
Savage Campguns over under 12ga/.30-30, .223/.20ga Quoting: Lester
Out of these I would recommend to pass out to neighbors is the Lee Enfield .303. 10 Shot bolt gun, they can be found on the cheap at guns shows-they are proven workhorses and IMO look cool too.
The Winchester Model 94 is of course one of the most famous rifles around and the 30-30 is a great cartridge. I prefer the pre-64 Model 94 however these are somewhat collectible and becoming expensive. If you are planning on horseback carrying get a pre 64 short barrel 94 with the saddle ring on it. FWIW,YMMV.
Handguns are a skill; shotguns an art; rifles a science.
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Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on whats for dinner.
Disarmament is the precursor to Genocide.
Better to take action now rather than chances later. Your choice. |
| Frigg Stuyvesant
User ID: 398933
7/26/2008 7:22 PM
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[ link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
A breath of fresh air enters this all too often stale
and barren place. Maybe you can put aside your thoughts banana clips and bashing teeth with hatchets.
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[link to www.oftwominds.com]
Charles Hugh Smith
The Art of Survival, Taoism and the Warring States
I know this runs counter to just about everything that's being recommended by others, but if you're a "hick" like me, then you know it rings true. The flatlanders are scared because they're alone and isolated; we're not scared. We've endured bad times before, and we don't need much to get by. We're not saints, but we will reciprocate to those who extend their good spirit and generosity to the community in which they live and in which they produce something of value.
I certainly don't consider this person a "hick"
Damned valuable food for thought....
Just in case though...
Russian made SKS milled not stamped metal w 3 30 rounders and plenty of ammo.
browning 22lr lever action
S&W 357mag shoots multiple ammo(revolver)
Remington 870 epress mag.(again multipurpose ammo)
Good .308 or 30-06 w/scope
savage over under 22mag./20ga.
Glock or other reliable hi-cap 9mm.
all w/spare parts and manuals
enough ammo for realistic eventualities.
Would be more than enough for most and not hard to find ammo for any.
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| 3rd Day Rising
User ID: 291612
7/26/2008 7:33 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
For me:
Semi Auto:Kimber .45acp
Pump Riot Shotgun: Winchester 1300 Defender
Semi Auto rifle:AR15sp1- although I am not happy with it.
Bolt Poor Mans Sniper Rifle: Browning Medallion .375H&H, Leopold 4.5x14 40mm
Snake Gun: Stevens 12 Gauge SxS couch gun
.22 plinking/varmit: Browning Target .22 pistol, Ruger 10/22 rifle
Other various tools to get the job done and have fun.
YMMV. FWIW. Quoting: Omega
Hey Omega,
You ever check into the .45 and .50 PCP??? Quackenbush has one that they dropped a Bison with and the Sam Yang Big Bore 909s is the one I think I will pick up. All the fun with no brass casings.
In survival situations, you can fill it up with a tire pump and get approx 8-10 full power shots. Breech loader, no clips yet. I might have to try a mod on that once I get it |
| Omega
User ID: 340280
7/26/2008 8:01 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
For me:
Semi Auto:Kimber .45acp
Pump Riot Shotgun: Winchester 1300 Defender
Semi Auto rifle:AR15sp1- although I am not happy with it.
Bolt Poor Mans Sniper Rifle: Browning Medallion .375H&H, Leopold 4.5x14 40mm
Snake Gun: Stevens 12 Gauge SxS couch gun
.22 plinking/varmit: Browning Target .22 pistol, Ruger 10/22 rifle
Other various tools to get the job done and have fun.
YMMV. FWIW.
Hey Omega,
You ever check into the .45 and .50 PCP??? Quackenbush has one that they dropped a Bison with and the Sam Yang Big Bore 909s is the one I think I will pick up. All the fun with no brass casings.
In survival situations, you can fill it up with a tire pump and get approx 8-10 full power shots. Breech loader, no clips yet. I might have to try a mod on that once I get it Quoting: 3rd Day Rising
That sounds interesting, I'll check it out. Funny you should say that though, I am checking out .177 and .22 airguns as we speak....fixin' to plunk down around 300 smackeroo's...
Handguns are a skill; shotguns an art; rifles a science.
_____________________________________
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on whats for dinner.
Disarmament is the precursor to Genocide.
Better to take action now rather than chances later. Your choice. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 464327
7/26/2008 8:20 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
Colt Series 80 .45 ACP
FN-FNP .40 S&W
Glock 19,Glock 23
Ruger P95DC 9mm
Ruger GP .357 4' barrel
S&W Model 29 '4 barrel .44Magnum
for rifles I only have one hunting rifle
Remington model 700 in .280 Rem cartridge
Leupold 3-9x40 scope
old hand me down .22 Winchester early 60's rifle
WASR GP ak47
Bulgarian SLR-96 ak47
Maddi Ak47
Izhevsk Mosin Nagant M-44 7.62x54Rmm(could be used to hunt, fairly accurate for $100 rifle)
shotguns
China made 12ga
Mossberg 500 |
| UD
User ID: 395270
7/26/2008 8:38 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
In for dinner MMMMMMM lightly smoked quail, potato salad, a small green salad and home brew!
I found out what the cops are doing: The feds came to town and first briefed the town council and the day before yesterday talked to the cops as well as giving them weapons.
They said to prepare for civil unrest! It sounds like they did a good job of scaring everyone. The convention will be in Denver and they expect something to happen driving people toward the mountains.
The chief is pretty level headed but this has got him spooked! The way they're shooting tells me he's scared shitless. He asked us if they could move their families to our valley if anything happens.
What he wouldn't tell me was exactly what they thought would happen. We are a good way from town and about 12 miles from the main road so I'm not very worried but the feds told them something that's got them going.
They are still out at the range! The amount of ammo expended is bizarre even by our standards! All this for a small mountain town with 6 cops WTF! I have the feeling if they knew about our indoor range they would be living in there.
WHAT IS GOING ON? I would lay a large bet that nothing of any real interest happens but hey I'm wrong a lot. |
| God-Forsaken
User ID: 465537
7/26/2008 9:04 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
heres a couple gunporn pics of a couple guns I want to buy in the near future (hopefully I have the cash by then lol).
fap material
:gunporn2:
*The thought of nothing after death is far worse than thoughts of going to Hell.*
*The closer you get to the meaning
The sooner you'll know that you're dreaming*
*The more things change, the more they stay the same*
[link to www.youtube.com]
[link to www.cyberstoyz.com] |
| Omega
User ID: 340280
7/26/2008 9:18 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
In for dinner MMMMMMM lightly smoked quail, potato salad, a small green salad and home brew!
I found out what the cops are doing: The feds came to town and first briefed the town council and the day before yesterday talked to the cops as well as giving them weapons.
They said to prepare for civil unrest! It sounds like they did a good job of scaring everyone. The convention will be in Denver and they expect something to happen driving people toward the mountains.
The chief is pretty level headed but this has got him spooked! The way they're shooting tells me he's scared shitless. He asked us if they could move their families to our valley if anything happens.
What he wouldn't tell me was exactly what they thought would happen. We are a good way from town and about 12 miles from the main road so I'm not very worried but the feds told them something that's got them going.
They are still out at the range! The amount of ammo expended is bizarre even by our standards! All this for a small mountain town with 6 cops WTF! I have the feeling if they knew about our indoor range they would be living in there.
WHAT IS GOING ON? I would lay a large bet that nothing of any real interest happens but hey I'm wrong a lot. Quoting: UD 395270
Hey UD, sounds like a nice dinner bro.....
Concerning the brief.
What convention and what agency (if you can find out) briefed the locals???
Also any clue to the time frame?
Thanks....
EDIT: and I was researching 14,000 ft peaks in Colorado earlier today after your hint,lol....
There are a lot so it's gonna be tough....:>)
Handguns are a skill; shotguns an art; rifles a science.
_____________________________________
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on whats for dinner.
Disarmament is the precursor to Genocide.
Better to take action now rather than chances later. Your choice. |
| LOGGY'S DOGGY'S
User ID: 340476
7/26/2008 9:20 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
ALL THE ABOVE GUNS ARE GREAT BUT THE COST FACTOR ! A COUPLE 12 GAUGE SHOTGUNS(FEW HUNDRED ROUNDS 00 BUCKSHOT) HI POINT 9MM OR 40 CAL CARBINES 10 ROUND CLIPS($200 & $250 DOLLARS) |
| UD
User ID: 474024
7/26/2008 9:31 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
Howdy Lester: WOW you type a lot!
You have some interesting opinions although I don't agree with most of them but hey that's what make life interesting.
IMHO carry the biggest gun you can afford weight wise.
Use the largest caliber you can afford to carry weight wise.
Don't forget to factor in food and medical supplies when factoring in weight.
If possible use a mil caliber.
Bolts are better that semi, less to go wrong.
I use one of my 50BMGs for Elk hunting every year it's the best damn Elk gun I know of.
Remington IS NOT know as the most accurate out of box rifle in fact far from it. I think and most of the people I know think the Savage is the most accurate OOB rifle due to the floating bolt head.
Always carry an auto at your hip and a revolver as back up.
Never put yourself in the position of having to need full auto unless ordered to.
After having built custom rifles for many years and sadly the Remington was the majority I think it just takes too much work to get right. I can't tell you how many times I've found the the barrel thread WAY WAY out of a line with the receiver and the bolt. The bolt has a sloppy fit to the receiver and doesn't lock up in the rear. Should I really need to sleeve the bolt? The bore tolerance is stupid unpredictable. Their accepted group accuracy is 1.5" at 100 HHHHMMMM to me that's not even in the ball park.
I put enough roads down range that I rebarrel about 4-5 times a year so to me the best advice to someone is get one gun, shoot it as much as you can afford and don't switch guns much. |
| UD
User ID: 379852
7/26/2008 9:43 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
Hey UD, sounds like a nice dinner bro.....
Concerning the brief.
What convention and what agency (if you can find out) briefed the locals???
Also any clue to the time frame?
Thanks....
EDIT: and I was researching 14,000 ft peaks in Colorado earlier today after your hint,lol....
There are a lot so it's gonna be tough....:>) Quoting: Omega
Crap dude I don't know I think it's either the DNC or RNC I'm not really into politics.(I just shoot and grow food)
My take was the FBI but I wasn't there and they freaked people out which tends to reduce observation.
Location: HAHAHAHAHA that's what makes it fun! I had Digger go through everything that I've leaked or hinted at and he found us in 30 minutes of reading. His deal was why don't you send them tickets this is to easy! HAHAHAHAHAHA |
| Omega
User ID: 340280
7/26/2008 9:54 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
Hey UD, sounds like a nice dinner bro.....
Concerning the brief.
What convention and what agency (if you can find out) briefed the locals???
Also any clue to the time frame?
Thanks....
EDIT: and I was researching 14,000 ft peaks in Colorado earlier today after your hint,lol....
There are a lot so it's gonna be tough....:>)
Crap dude I don't know I think it's either the DNC or RNC I'm not really into politics.(I just shoot and grow food)
My take was the FBI but I wasn't there and they freaked people out which tends to reduce observation.
Location: HAHAHAHAHA that's what makes it fun! I had Digger go through everything that I've leaked or hinted at and he found us in 30 minutes of reading. His deal was why don't you send them tickets this is to easy! HAHAHAHAHAHA Quoting: UD 379852
Mkay man I was thinking knowing the agency may at some point be....useful....
Hey, I never got or missed the other hints!!! :>)
Off work, long drive home, take care.....
Handguns are a skill; shotguns an art; rifles a science.
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Disarmament is the precursor to Genocide.
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 474018
7/26/2008 10:01 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
BTW I am shopping for a .177 cal pellet gun under 300 bucks so I can practice daily in my backyard. It's gotta be very accurate. I am looking at some Gamo's and Beeman's. Anyone got a specific model in mind? Quoting: Omega
I've got the gammo nra commemorative.It comes with a scope and is deadly accurate.One pump breach barrell.1000 fps.i've killed many a grackles with mine.they hate it and me. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 464984
7/26/2008 10:08 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
I use one of my 50BMGs for Elk hunting every year it's the best damn Elk gun I know of. Quoting: UD 474024
I bet that does knock them down. lmao
So how far is your average hike with a .50 BMG Starret?
My survival rig includes an HK91, a Marlin .22 in a rack on my back pack, and a USP45 in a tactical thigh holster.
If the shit hit the fan I probably would not be able to leave my six inch model 29 behind, I love that gun. |
| UD
User ID: 441575
7/26/2008 10:08 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
Mkay man I was thinking knowing the agency may at some point be....useful....
Hey, I never got or missed the other hints!!! :>)
Off work, long drive home, take care..... Quoting: Omega
Sorry bro I didn't mean to come off as flippant the next chance I get I'll ask. I just don't go around weapons when drinking. The home brew is called Red October for a reason.
Be Safe!
OH THE HINTS: HHHHMMMMMM considering I was told by my spotter to STFU and I think my replies have been deleted (not sure) and I don't start many threads I don't know what to say?
West of Denver
10,953ft EL
Aprox. 25 miles to nearest town
1800 acres that used to be National Forrest
National Forrest road that's now private
(New one) Newly constructed gate that says WOOOOSH HILL. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 129627
7/26/2008 10:13 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
Savage Model #24
22 over 20GA... |
| malu 
User ID: 421073
7/26/2008 10:22 PM
 | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
Mkay man I was thinking knowing the agency may at some point be....useful....
Hey, I never got or missed the other hints!!! :>)
Off work, long drive home, take care.....
Sorry bro I didn't mean to come off as flippant the next chance I get I'll ask. I just don't go around weapons when drinking. The home brew is called Red October for a reason.
Be Safe!
OH THE HINTS: HHHHMMMMMM considering I was told by my spotter to STFU and I think my replies have been deleted (not sure) and I don't start many threads I don't know what to say?
West of Denver
10,953ft EL
Aprox. 25 miles to nearest town
1800 acres that used to be National Forrest
National Forrest road that's now private
(New one) Newly constructed gate that says WOOOOSH HILL. Quoting: UD 441575
holy crap! that is more info than the two? years of posts i have been reading of you! may as well pull something out of the rack and a couple of crates of ammo :)
damn, a gun thread around here is like tossing bread on the beach, out of no where appears a flock of seagulls
just got home from work, read it as fast as i could before i hop in the shower and re read it, hope some gun nuts, errr, enthusiasts are still around
based on what i read, we will have a false flag very soon in Denver
When peaceful revolution becomes impossible, violent revolution becomes inevitable.
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| IDW
User ID: 474022
7/26/2008 10:30 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
999 rounds fired in anger don't hit anything they were intended to do.
The best survival gun is dependant of course on just what it is you need to survive.
In the strictest sense, the only sensible 'survival rifle' is a lightweight .22 , repeater or semi auto, carbine or rifle. The ruger 10/22 in stainless is an excellent choice, so is the browning.
You can carry thousands of rounds easily.
With this weapon you can kill game up to the size of a deer or hog, elliminate pests or in a pinch shoot a human assailant in one of about three places where the .22 bullet is almost instantly deadly.
The biggest , most energetic caliber out there isnt going to help most of you if you come against a foe like myself, because I will hit you with whatever I have with the first shot, and you'll never realize I was there.
I think some of you are just a bit confused as to what a survival rifle is. |
| UD
User ID: 429528
7/26/2008 10:31 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
I use one of my 50BMGs for Elk hunting every year it's the best damn Elk gun I know of.
I bet that does knock them down. lmao
So how far is your average hike with a .50 BMG Starret?
My survival rig includes an HK91, a Marlin .22 in a rack on my back pack, and a USP45 in a tactical thigh holster.
If the shit hit the fan I probably would not be able to leave my six inch model 29 behind, I love that gun. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 464984
Howdy:
Yea it knocks them down! I use bullets that I've turned on a lathe.
We do PT at aprox. 11,000ft every day and I carry a two gun drag bag on my back a McMillan bolt and a custom 300 Win Mag the run is 5 miles then we go to the pool and play water polo or swim laps.
The rifle is an ancient McMillan bolt action 50BMG rebarreled many times.
I'm 60yo and the youngest of the team so I feel pretty good doing 5 miles I know it isn't much but hey I'm a retiree.
I have a couple of HK 91s and 93s German engineering is fantastic but heavy. |
| UD
User ID: 429528
7/26/2008 10:37 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
999 rounds fired in anger don't hit anything they were intended to do.
The best survival gun is dependant of course on just what it is you need to survive.
In the strictest sense, the only sensible 'survival rifle' is a lightweight .22 , repeater or semi auto, carbine or rifle. The ruger 10/22 in stainless is an excellent choice, so is the browning.
You can carry thousands of rounds easily.
With this weapon you can kill game up to the size of a deer or hog, elliminate pests or in a pinch shoot a human assailant in one of about three places where the .22 bullet is almost instantly deadly.
The biggest , most energetic caliber out there isnt going to help most of you if you come against a foe like myself, because I will hit you with whatever I have with the first shot, and you'll never realize I was there.
I think some of you are just a bit confused as to what a survival rifle is. Quoting: IDW 474022
YEP AGREED! I did training in Alaska and saw a kid of about 12 put a 22 long rifle in the ear of a Moose at about ten feet and it dropped NOW! BALLSY!!!!!!
BUT
Our ideas of survival are different. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 464984
7/26/2008 10:40 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
999 rounds fired in anger don't hit anything they were intended to do.
The best survival gun is dependant of course on just what it is you need to survive.
In the strictest sense, the only sensible 'survival rifle' is a lightweight .22 , repeater or semi auto, carbine or rifle. The ruger 10/22 in stainless is an excellent choice, so is the browning.
You can carry thousands of rounds easily.
With this weapon you can kill game up to the size of a deer or hog, elliminate pests or in a pinch shoot a human assailant in one of about three places where the .22 bullet is almost instantly deadly.
The biggest , most energetic caliber out there isnt going to help most of you if you come against a foe like myself, because I will hit you with whatever I have with the first shot, and you'll never realize I was there.
I think some of you are just a bit confused as to what a survival rifle is. Quoting: IDW 474022
If I had to limit myself to one gun I would agree with this. The lowly .22 is probably the single most desirable. My little bolt action tube fed Marlin (which has a place on my back pack specially made for it) will keep every round inside a half inch at fifty yards when I do my part. Two five hundred round bricks in the pack take up little room and guarantee plenty of eats along the trail.
But I do like the comfortable sense of security the HK91 gives one. A little heavy but hell, I'm a big boy. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 464984
7/26/2008 10:44 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
I use one of my 50BMGs for Elk hunting every year it's the best damn Elk gun I know of.
I bet that does knock them down. lmao
So how far is your average hike with a .50 BMG Starret?
My survival rig includes an HK91, a Marlin .22 in a rack on my back pack, and a USP45 in a tactical thigh holster.
If the shit hit the fan I probably would not be able to leave my six inch model 29 behind, I love that gun.
Howdy:
Yea it knocks them down! I use bullets that I've turned on a lathe.
We do PT at aprox. 11,000ft every day and I carry a two gun drag bag on my back a McMillan bolt and a custom 300 Win Mag the run is 5 miles then we go to the pool and play water polo or swim laps.
The rifle is an ancient McMillan bolt action 50BMG rebarreled many times.
I'm 60yo and the youngest of the team so I feel pretty good doing 5 miles I know it isn't much but hey I'm a retiree.
I have a couple of HK 91s and 93s German engineering is fantastic but heavy. Quoting: UD 429528
Fiver miles with a big fifty for a sixty year old is very impressive, kudos sir. |
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