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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 474088
7/27/2008 12:46 AM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
Prices for the 870 and 1100 are about the same....
And clearning the chamber is just about as easy.
On the other hand, to each their own.
GOOD pumps are known for the reliability.
I guess I just had a bad experiences with a piece of junk mossenburg pump. First shotgun I ever bought and had major quality problems. Traded it back shortly afterwards.
Autos are just great for trap due to the quick follow ups.
I'm not quick enouph to hit two birds with a pump. You also loose your sight/target with each cycle. Some guys pull it off though. |
| UD
User ID: 456025
7/27/2008 12:54 AM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
Stay away from the pump shotguns. I know the people stuck in the "good ol days" will cry over that one, but They rattle and they are simply old technology. The beloved "chlachuck" sound people brag about is just as true for any bolt/slide being cycled. Get an autoloader. 1100 or a beretta at best. Load up on slugs, 00, and bird shot and you will be prepared for hunting and protection.
And for the 10/22 guys- great for squirls, but bad for defense. Sure, if you were sniping and able to hit everything in the face. But come on 
With that said, the best survival gun is having more than one (one for each type of job).
Get an AK or SKS (and there are no stamped receivers on the SKS, at least those sold in the US). These are good $150 - $400 battle rifles that will not be available forever. 7.62 is far the cheapest going right now, and mags and such are cheap as well. Besides, all of the "freedom fighters" in the Middle East, Africa, China, Russia, and just about every country/continent other than the US could not be wrong.
I envy the guys with the ARs, not all of us have $1000s to spend. Nice though, wish I had one.
The Glock guy is righ on. Out of all of the firearms I own, and have ever owned, my G21 is the best. In fact it is the only gun I have ever considered for self defense. The rest are all SHTF safe queens.
MMMMKKKKK thanks for the opinion, everyone is going to like what they have but what happens when you have most if not all being talked about?
AND
Have put many many rounds down each? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 474088
7/27/2008 1:03 AM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
Stay away from the pump shotguns. I know the people stuck in the "good ol days" will cry over that one, but They rattle and they are simply old technology. The beloved "chlachuck" sound people brag about is just as true for any bolt/slide being cycled. Get an autoloader. 1100 or a beretta at best. Load up on slugs, 00, and bird shot and you will be prepared for hunting and protection.
And for the 10/22 guys- great for squirls, but bad for defense. Sure, if you were sniping and able to hit everything in the face. But come on
With that said, the best survival gun is having more than one (one for each type of job).
Get an AK or SKS (and there are no stamped receivers on the SKS, at least those sold in the US). These are good $150 - $400 battle rifles that will not be available forever. 7.62 is far the cheapest going right now, and mags and such are cheap as well. Besides, all of the "freedom fighters" in the Middle East, Africa, China, Russia, and just about every country/continent other than the US could not be wrong.
I envy the guys with the ARs, not all of us have $1000s to spend. Nice though, wish I had one.
The Glock guy is righ on. Out of all of the firearms I own, and have ever owned, my G21 is the best. In fact it is the only gun I have ever considered for self defense. The rest are all SHTF safe queens.
MMMMKKKKK thanks for the opinion, everyone is going to like what they have but what happens when you have most if not all being talked about?
AND
Have put many many rounds down each?
Then I guess you have all that you need and the post was not directed towards you.
Or are you in the market for your first firarm purchase?
Smartypants  |
| Evil Twin  
Senior Forum Moderator
User ID: 474075
7/27/2008 1:05 AM
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I am buying a 10/22 for my Dad's wife. Shhhh...it's a surprise! lol
She is only about 5' tall, tiny thing. She just doen't handle centerfire rifles well at all, not even .223, but, she shoots my 10/22 better than I do, soooo, I'm gettin' her one of her own. I'll get her some 30 rnd mags, and she can lay down suppressing fire :)
To visualize the coming apocalypse, imagine, if you will, Oprah & Rosie O'Donnell wrestling for the last rib at an all-you can-eat Bar-B-Q... |
| malu
User ID: 421073
7/27/2008 1:21 AM
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I am buying a 10/22 for my Dad's wife. Shhhh...it's a surprise! lol
She is only about 5' tall, tiny thing. She just doen't handle centerfire rifles well at all, not even .223, but, she shoots my 10/22 better than I do, soooo, I'm gettin' her one of her own. I'll get her some 30 rnd mags, and she can lay down suppressing fire :) Quoting: Evil Twin
that ruger was one of my first guns, i spent most of my teen years with it, my dog, and the woods, it still is one of my all time favorite guns to shoot
When peaceful revolution becomes impossible, violent revolution becomes inevitable.
"Hard pressed on my right. My center is yielding. Impossible to maneuver. Situation excellent. I am attacking." |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 474101
7/27/2008 1:22 AM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
Then I guess you have all that you need and the post was not directed towards you.
Or are you in the market for your first firarm purchase?
Smartypants
First fire arm purchase? That happened in the 60s
All that I need: OK maybe gone overboard
Directed toward me: It's an open forum and I and very few others were posting.
Have a nice shoot next time! |
| malu
User ID: 421073
7/27/2008 1:25 AM
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Stay away from the pump shotguns. I know the people stuck in the "good ol days" will cry over that one, but They rattle and they are simply old technology. The beloved "chlachuck" sound people brag about is just as true for any bolt/slide being cycled. Get an autoloader. 1100 or a beretta at best. Load up on slugs, 00, and bird shot and you will be prepared for hunting and protection.
And for the 10/22 guys- great for squirls, but bad for defense. Sure, if you were sniping and able to hit everything in the face. But come on
With that said, the best survival gun is having more than one (one for each type of job).
Get an AK or SKS (and there are no stamped receivers on the SKS, at least those sold in the US). These are good $150 - $400 battle rifles that will not be available forever. 7.62 is far the cheapest going right now, and mags and such are cheap as well. Besides, all of the "freedom fighters" in the Middle East, Africa, China, Russia, and just about every country/continent other than the US could not be wrong.
I envy the guys with the ARs, not all of us have $1000s to spend. Nice though, wish I had one.
The Glock guy is righ on. Out of all of the firearms I own, and have ever owned, my G21 is the best. In fact it is the only gun I have ever considered for self defense. The rest are all SHTF safe queens.
MMMMKKKKK thanks for the opinion, everyone is going to like what they have but what happens when you have most if not all being talked about?
AND
Have put many many rounds down each?
Then I guess you have all that you need and the post was not directed towards you.
Or are you in the market for your first firarm purchase?
Smartypants
we have been advising UD to start off small, like a Daisy Red Ryder BB gun, so he doesn't bruise his delicate skin, once he demonstrates safe use, we have been thinking about letting him try out a 22 cal rifle
but we aren't making any promises yet , right now the guns still scare him so much, we have to help him get over that first :)
When peaceful revolution becomes impossible, violent revolution becomes inevitable.
"Hard pressed on my right. My center is yielding. Impossible to maneuver. Situation excellent. I am attacking." |
| UD
User ID: 474101
7/27/2008 1:26 AM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
I am buying a 10/22 for my Dad's wife. Shhhh...it's a surprise! lol
She is only about 5' tall, tiny thing. She just doen't handle centerfire rifles well at all, not even .223, but, she shoots my 10/22 better than I do, soooo, I'm gettin' her one of her own. I'll get her some 30 rnd mags, and she can lay down suppressing fire :) Quoting: Evil Twin
BUSTED!!!!!!!!
NICE BUY!!!! |
| UD
User ID: 474101
7/27/2008 1:29 AM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
we have been advising UD to start off small, like a Daisy Red Ryder BB gun, so he doesn't bruise his delicate skin, once he demonstrates safe use, we have been thinking about letting him try out a 22 cal rifle
but we aren't making any promises yet , right now the guns still scare him so much, we have to help him get over that first :)
Guns are EVIL they scare me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| malu
User ID: 421073
7/27/2008 1:31 AM
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we have been advising UD to start off small, like a Daisy Red Ryder BB gun, so he doesn't bruise his delicate skin, once he demonstrates safe use, we have been thinking about letting him try out a 22 cal rifle
but we aren't making any promises yet , right now the guns still scare him so much, we have to help him get over that first :)
Guns are EVIL they scare me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
see what i mean? we do have hope for you UD
well i have to run, busy day tomorrow at the beach, have fun!
When peaceful revolution becomes impossible, violent revolution becomes inevitable.
"Hard pressed on my right. My center is yielding. Impossible to maneuver. Situation excellent. I am attacking." |
| Evil Twin
Senior Forum Moderator
User ID: 474075
7/27/2008 1:32 AM
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that ruger was one of my first guns, i spent most of my teen years with it, my dog, and the woods, it still is one of my all time favorite guns to shoot Quoting: malu
Yeah, I still get more use out of mine than any other gun I own, bar none. I have to do an armadillo patrol several nights per week, then there's a mess of wild rabbits around, and tree rats when the citrus trees are bearing fruit, plus, I can shoot that all day long without getting on the neighbors' nerves, lol, not so much with the real rifles.
To visualize the coming apocalypse, imagine, if you will, Oprah & Rosie O'Donnell wrestling for the last rib at an all-you can-eat Bar-B-Q... |
| UD
User ID: 208945
7/27/2008 1:34 AM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
Late bro I'm gone to get in bed early |
| Evil Twin
Senior Forum Moderator
User ID: 474075
7/27/2008 1:35 AM
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we have been advising UD to start off small, like a Daisy Red Ryder BB gun, so he doesn't bruise his delicate skin, once he demonstrates safe use, we have been thinking about letting him try out a 22 cal rifle
but we aren't making any promises yet , right now the guns still scare him so much, we have to help him get over that first :)
To visualize the coming apocalypse, imagine, if you will, Oprah & Rosie O'Donnell wrestling for the last rib at an all-you can-eat Bar-B-Q... |
| Lester
User ID: 474141
7/27/2008 3:57 AM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
Defensive handguns:
Basically, a pistol; self-loading, semi-automatic .45acp.
That is it!
1911a1 flat or arched mainspring housing, whatever you shoot better with.
230gr hornady flat-nose fmj max loads, but not +P. Good sights, with other custom features YOU need. Or buy a nice loaded Kimber or Springfield. I prefer Colt series 70.
mucho spare magazines, good selection of holsters and magazine pouches/carriers.
1911 has most available spare & custom parts. Dropt in Kart NM barrel and bushing kits are really accurate, one hole at 25yds, one inch diameter from non-supported two-hand hold.
Backup and hideout guns are also worth considering.
Walther TPH, S&W J frame 1-7/8" barrel, Keltec .380
Learn to shoot the .45acp, carry it eveywhere, and you will be a survivor. |
| Lester
User ID: 474141
7/27/2008 4:13 AM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
Shotguns:
Not much on shotguns. Remington 870 Express Combo makes a decent tool for potshooting, but duck & geese hunting, or any other kind of sporting bird shooting is not really in the cards. Maybe you lure/bait a bunch of pigeons or other edible birds in and then slaughter them, but not really gonna be much quail or pheasant hunting.
Shotgun is a limited range weapon.
Compared to a rifle it has minimal performace value.
Planning on having intruders inside your house? Gonna be taken by surprise? A rifle does so much more than a shotgun, and from 10x the distance if you're sure you are facing a malicious intent. You really don't want to engage enemies at shotgun range. They'll kill you before you can get them in range.
After the baloon goes up, if someone gets in your home; you're likely gonna be dead.
Shotguns and pistol bullet firing carbines are Very Special Purpose weapons. Not something I have any use for. A pellet rifle is probably more versatile for taking birds or small game. You really need to be setting snares to take small game anyway. Who will have time to go hunting? Set 20 snares and you have 19 additional hunters out looking for food.
Urban and suburban dwellers sure might have need for a combat shotgun. Best to have breach proof doors on your entries and also guarding your sleeping area. Not like you're planning on sleeping at night, is it? |
| ringworm
User ID: 449772
7/27/2008 4:34 AM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
I'll make a location guess
somewhere between Brookdale and Mt. Evans? |
| Lester
User ID: 474141
7/27/2008 4:38 AM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
Defensive Rifles:
Pay your money & get what you get.
AK 47 is not a lot of things; not accurate, not powerful, not versatile. Can't reload the cheap ammo you're most likely to buy; Berdan primed cases are throw aways. The .30-30Win is about 175 FPS faster than the 7.62x39. Bullet weighs about 27gr more, about 50gr more if you use 170s in your thutty-thutty. Velocity and bullet weight equal stopping power. But, you stake your life on one if you want.
Not me. Nobody in my family has a need for one.
Many people have this fantasy about fighting the good fight. Like they're gonna live to a ripe old-age by having lots of shootouts. The odds are against it. Odds do favor ambushers and skirmishers; but not those who dig-in & fight. If your fight lasts over 90 seconds, you are probably going to die.
The AR-15 loaded with 69 or 75/77 grain match ammunition will do the fighting job better than any other rifle out there. Ammo weighs 1/2 what .308 weighs. The rifles are about 2-3lbs lighter with a full mag. AR-15s are very accurate, recoil less and are faster back on target. A good/great choice in an area without big game and big bears.
The AR-10 is heavier, but shoots a bullet with more power and diameter. Many people like the M14/M1a. They are good rifles, but they have issues. An accurized M1a needs rebedding about every year or every 1000rds fired. The stock is not designed to favor match performance. If you have an M1a, cool. If you are trying to choose a .308 battle rifle, there is no comparison to DPMS or Armalite AR-10 designs. Scope mount on the AR-10 is superior, AR-10 barrel can easily be free floated, easy to interchange uppers and even replace barrels yourself. M1a has many more restrictions because of barrel design and gas system. AR-10 can be setup as carbine, rifle or with extended gas tube for best longrange accuracy. The day of cheap M14 parts is Long Gone. Parts and complete uppers for AR-10 are relatively inexpensive.
Still, some love the Garand. Again, it is your hide, hyde; buy what you want. The mini-14 is a pretty decent carbine. The M1a is a good rifle, as are good condition Garands. Some really like the H&K 91 and the FN-LAR. Your choice. Buying something from Century or a rifle assembled from an inch or metric parts kit was not my cup of tea.
Best thing about the AR design is it can also serve as a Working Rifle. Iron sights are very good in the A2 style receiver, but an A4 with itegral picatinny rail and a set of backup irons is an even better solution for versatility. |
| Omega
User ID: 340280
7/27/2008 11:32 AM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
Thanks for the referral Lester. Based on your recommendation and the reviews I read online I ordered an RWS Model 34 and a 3x9 scope 40mm and rings to go with it.
Handguns are a skill; shotguns an art; rifles a science.
_____________________________________
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on whats for dinner.
Disarmament is the precursor to Genocide.
Better to take action now rather than chances later. Your choice. |
| Lester
User ID: 474299
7/27/2008 12:13 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
The Dianas are nice guns. Has an adj trigger you can dial in with an allen wrench through the trigger guard. Let me know how the scope works out. I used to shoot sycamore balls off the tree in my front yard with the open sights; good country fun. You ought to be able to make headshots on birds very easy. The 1000fps and 8gr pellets really deliver. I've only used RWS pellets. Cheap, or they used to be, and very good performers. The Superpoint rounds were about the best for all-around use.
Know you will enjoy your airgun, Omega. The scope should really increase its versatility. Let us hear your review when you get the rifle in. Also might consider a Beeman Pell-Seat tool, or make somthing you can seat pellets with. The Pell-Seat flares the skirt just a bit so you get consistent seating and that will eliminate flyers. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 473931
7/27/2008 12:16 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
Everyone should have a .22 rifle, a shotgun, and a (preferably military caliber) rifle. Quoting: Evil Twin
Yeah the helmet is the bomb man, but I suggest you light a joint instead of that trash. |
| Omega
User ID: 340280
7/27/2008 12:22 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
The Dianas are nice guns. Has an adj trigger you can dial in with an allen wrench through the trigger guard. Let me know how the scope works out. I used to shoot sycamore balls off the tree in my front yard with the open sights; good country fun. You ought to be able to make headshots on birds very easy. The 1000fps and 8gr pellets really deliver. I've only used RWS pellets. Cheap, or they used to be, and very good performers. The Superpoint rounds were about the best for all-around use.
Know you will enjoy your airgun, Omega. The scope should really increase its versatility. Let us hear your review when you get the rifle in. Also might consider a Beeman Pell-Seat tool, or make somthing you can seat pellets with. The Pell-Seat flares the skirt just a bit so you get consistent seating and that will eliminate flyers. Quoting: Lester
I am looking forward to breaking it in ,it should be here late next week. I didn't get the scope that came with the package deal, I bought a Leapers 3x9x40mm that has decent reviews and the rifle seperately.
First I am going to try the iron sights as for one I was brought up shooting competitively with iron sights (never competed with glass) and second I have a squirrel problem with them getting in my garden and stealing my tomatoes so I am in a hurry. I would not have believed it however I saw it myself,lol....
I do have a lot of respect of your gun knowledge, even though we may disagree on the ar15 (mine is an SP1 though) I can understand your position on versatility and light weight of rifle and ammo.
Once again thanks....
Handguns are a skill; shotguns an art; rifles a science.
_____________________________________
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on whats for dinner.
Disarmament is the precursor to Genocide.
Better to take action now rather than chances later. Your choice. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 474299
7/27/2008 2:17 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
What is wrong with your Colt SP1?
They are easy to rebarrel and customize.
Pretty easy to sell decent used gear on ar15.com.
Match grade stainless service rifle barrels available for under $250. They are a bit heavy, but any longrange accuracy rifle is "heavy". A bit of heft keeps the rifle on for repeat shots.
Colt rifles are highly esteemed. If you have a 1:12 or 1:9 twist, 1:7 is more versatile, even 1:8 will handle 80gr bullets. If the gas system is in question, you can make it work. Only problem I ever had was cured with a new bolt hold-open spring. If you have the small hinge pin on your receiver you can interchange any upper receivers, makes it easy to build cheap.
Living in Texas, an AR-15 is all you need, as long as you have enough barrel twist to handle the 75/77 grain bullets. The Sierra, Nosler, and Hornady match bullets are very thick jacketed. Not like you want to be on the ground with a 400lb Russian Boar, but from a tree stand, you could hunt pigs effectively. Deer would be no problem, and at 600yds the heavy 5.56 rds penetrate better than 7.62 ball.
With a Peace River clamshell fixture and a DPMS M16 armorer's tool, you can rebarrel your upper in about 30mins. Fun to do and if you have a 1/2" drive torque wrench you can be precise in your torque values. Brownells has all the tools and armorer kits, but I find just a decent gunsmiths hammer and a variety of pin punches and drifts works fine. Lots of tiny pins on the AR and many springs, yet compared to any other weapon the parts are inexpensive and with so many custom makers producing, like for Colt 1911, there are superb choices.
Just some ideas... |
| ZOSIME
User ID: 384163
7/27/2008 2:25 PM
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I have a question, I grew up reloading our own bullets ect. I was going to start doing it again but my son told me it would be so much cheaper to buy them. I havn't checked into this, Does someone have the cost of primers, powder, caseing, I have all the best reloading equipment. |
| Omega
User ID: 340280
7/27/2008 4:28 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
What is wrong with your Colt SP1? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 474299
Thanks for your advice on the AR15 Lester, I will definitely look into it.
I don't have a beef with the accuracy, I do have a problem with the occasional jam. I won't bitch too much that you gotta keep it spotless and disassemble the bolt and clean it every time you shoot, but in a SHTF scenario I don't trust it's reliability. In other words if I had to drag it thru some mud and use it before I clean it, I am pretty sure it would malfunction at exactly the wrong time.
Thats primarily why I went with that Kimber over a generic have in .45acp, as it has NEVER jammed on me. In probably 3000 rounds or so.
Just my two cents. Maybe if I swap out the upper with a modern one??
Handguns are a skill; shotguns an art; rifles a science.
_____________________________________
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on whats for dinner.
Disarmament is the precursor to Genocide.
Better to take action now rather than chances later. Your choice. |
| Lester
User ID: 474299
7/27/2008 5:39 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
If you have reloading presses and dies, you are in great shape. A pound of rifle powder will cost about $22 or much less if you buy by mailorder. Primers are now about $3 per 100. Cast bullets, swaged are fairly cheap in 500ct boxes. If you can buy a bunch of primers and powder from one mailorder source, you'll only pay one HazMat fee. Wideners and Grafs sometimes have once-fired brass, or you can find them from guys on the outdoor discussion group boards, bullets too. Midsouth is very good source on bulk bullets.
I have no doubt you can still make your own ammunition much cheaper than you can buy it; unless you want to own cheap 7.62x39 or cheap imported military ball. Just have to shop for that and get your best deal. I duplicate match ammo for my rifles and find the savings and quality to be great. Components are still fairly inexpensive, lead and copper have inflated quite a bit. You won't know until you put the pencil to what you want to make. Good luck!
Omega, a distinguished master shooter told me he didn't clean his AR-15 at all in the prior season and didn't see that it mattered. You want to keep your bolt & carrier clean and brush out your bore from time to time but at what point should you consider your ammunition? Maybe your magazines or recoil spring? Maybe the gas hole is not perfectly aligned with the block or angled in the receiver? Gas key is tight? If you are shooting handloads, maybe they need another .001 or .002 reduction on the sizing die? I use an RCBS precision mic and full length size to .005 under dimension. A small base sizer might also help. |
| Omega
User ID: 340280
7/27/2008 5:47 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
Omega, a distinguished master shooter told me he didn't clean his AR-15 at all in the prior season and didn't see that it mattered. You want to keep your bolt & carrier clean and brush out your bore from time to time but at what point should you consider your ammunition? Maybe your magazines or recoil spring? Maybe the gas hole is not perfectly aligned with the block or angled in the receiver? Gas key is tight? If you are shooting handloads, maybe they need another .001 or .002 reduction on the sizing die? I use an RCBS precision mic and full length size to .005 under dimension. A small base sizer might also help. Quoting: Lester
I shoot exclusively SS109, so I doubt thats it. I have about 15 mags, and it's not mag dependent....however all of them are about 10 years old. Maybe thats it.......
I'll check out your suggestions, and once again thanks.....
Handguns are a skill; shotguns an art; rifles a science.
_____________________________________
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on whats for dinner.
Disarmament is the precursor to Genocide.
Better to take action now rather than chances later. Your choice. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 474149
7/27/2008 8:42 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
999 rounds fired in anger don't hit anything they were intended to do.
The best survival gun is dependant of course on just what it is you need to survive.
In the strictest sense, the only sensible 'survival rifle' is a lightweight .22 , repeater or semi auto, carbine or rifle. The ruger 10/22 in stainless is an excellent choice, so is the browning.
You can carry thousands of rounds easily.
With this weapon you can kill game up to the size of a deer or hog, elliminate pests or in a pinch shoot a human assailant in one of about three places where the .22 bullet is almost instantly deadly.
The biggest , most energetic caliber out there isnt going to help most of you if you come against a foe like myself, because I will hit you with whatever I have with the first shot, and you'll never realize I was there.
I think some of you are just a bit confused as to what a survival rifle is. Quoting: IDW 474022 |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 472033
7/27/2008 9:07 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
quoting Lester:
Maybe your magazines or recoil spring? Maybe the gas hole is not perfectly aligned with the block or angled in the receiver?
This turned out to be the case with my occasional malfunction of one of my AR's. While Omega is right about them being finicky eaters, they don't have to be cleaned everytime they are shot...nowhere near that frequency should be required..
Omega, I'd check that gas system... |
| ZOSIME
User ID: 384163
7/27/2008 9:32 PM
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If you have reloading presses and dies, you are in great shape. A pound of rifle powder will cost about $22 or much less if you buy by mailorder. Primers are now about $3 per 100. Cast bullets, swaged are fairly cheap in 500ct boxes. If you can buy a bunch of primers and powder from one mailorder source, you'll only pay one HazMat fee. Wideners and Grafs sometimes have once-fired brass, or you can find them from guys on the outdoor discussion group boards, bullets too. Midsouth is very good source on bulk bullets.
I have no doubt you can still make your own ammunition much cheaper than you can buy it; unless you want to own cheap 7.62x39 or cheap imported military ball. Just have to shop for that and get your best deal. I duplicate match ammo for my rifles and find the savings and quality to be great. Components are still fairly inexpensive, lead and copper have inflated quite a bit. You won't know until you put the pencil to what you want to make. Good luck!
Omega, a distinguished master shooter told me he didn't clean his AR-15 at all in the prior season and didn't see that it mattered. You want to keep your bolt & carrier clean and brush out your bore from time to time but at what point should you consider your ammunition? Maybe your magazines or recoil spring? Maybe the gas hole is not perfectly aligned with the block or angled in the receiver? Gas key is tight? If you are shooting handloads, maybe they need another .001 or .002 reduction on the sizing die? I use an RCBS precision mic and full length size to .005 under dimension. A small base sizer might also help. Quoting: Lester
thank you
if you know off hand any trust worthy web sites could you post them |
| Omega
User ID: 340280
7/27/2008 9:35 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
quoting Lester:
Maybe your magazines or recoil spring? Maybe the gas hole is not perfectly aligned with the block or angled in the receiver?
This turned out to be the case with my occasional malfunction of one of my AR's. While Omega is right about them being finicky eaters, they don't have to be cleaned everytime they are shot...nowhere near that frequency should be required..
Omega, I'd check that gas system... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 472033
Cool man, I am on it. Thanks....
Handguns are a skill; shotguns an art; rifles a science.
_____________________________________
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on whats for dinner.
Disarmament is the precursor to Genocide.
Better to take action now rather than chances later. Your choice. |
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