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Survival Guns discussed
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malu 
User ID: 421073
7/27/2008 9:39 PM
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If you have reloading presses and dies, you are in great shape. A pound of rifle powder will cost about $22 or much less if you buy by mailorder. Primers are now about $3 per 100. Cast bullets, swaged are fairly cheap in 500ct boxes. If you can buy a bunch of primers and powder from one mailorder source, you'll only pay one HazMat fee. Wideners and Grafs sometimes have once-fired brass, or you can find them from guys on the outdoor discussion group boards, bullets too. Midsouth is very good source on bulk bullets.
I have no doubt you can still make your own ammunition much cheaper than you can buy it; unless you want to own cheap 7.62x39 or cheap imported military ball. Just have to shop for that and get your best deal. I duplicate match ammo for my rifles and find the savings and quality to be great. Components are still fairly inexpensive, lead and copper have inflated quite a bit. You won't know until you put the pencil to what you want to make. Good luck!
Omega, a distinguished master shooter told me he didn't clean his AR-15 at all in the prior season and didn't see that it mattered. You want to keep your bolt & carrier clean and brush out your bore from time to time but at what point should you consider your ammunition? Maybe your magazines or recoil spring? Maybe the gas hole is not perfectly aligned with the block or angled in the receiver? Gas key is tight? If you are shooting handloads, maybe they need another .001 or .002 reduction on the sizing die? I use an RCBS precision mic and full length size to .005 under dimension. A small base sizer might also help.
thank you
if you know off hand any trust worthy web sites could you post them Quoting: ZOSIME
[link to www.midsouthshooterssupply.com]
this is the largest source of all gun related items, the industry standard:
[link to www.shotgunnews.com]
When peaceful revolution becomes impossible, violent revolution becomes inevitable.
"Hard pressed on my right. My center is yielding. Impossible to maneuver. Situation excellent. I am attacking." |
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killdamon
User ID: 444686
7/27/2008 9:51 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
BTW I am shopping for a .177 cal pellet gun under 300 bucks so I can practice daily in my backyard. It's gotta be very accurate. I am looking at some Gamo's and Beeman's. Anyone got a specific model in mind? Quoting: Omega
[link to www.crosman.com]
Just passing thru.
OG id 126286
NasTraDooMis - Aka, killdamon |
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Evil Twin 
Senior Forum Moderator
User ID: 474334
7/27/2008 10:40 PM
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 474591
7/27/2008 10:57 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
basic survival weapons for daily carry, behind truck seat or in cycle's saddlebags.
AR-7 which stores in it's own floating stock
Mossberg .410 pump (broke down in soft case)
basic survival weapons for daily carry, in waistband clip and in pants' pocket(s)
KelTec PC-AT .380 (in my waistband clip right now)
NorthAmericanArms .22 derringer(s)
left pocket is loaded with snake/bird shot
right pocket is loaded with CCI-MiniMags
Use 2nd finger on trigger and hit with even a tiny mouse gun. Index finger alongside barrel. you hit what you point at; no need to sight
Preferred for wshf
AKM Maadi variant with scope
AKM Chinese variant
SKS for backup
AKM/action Saiga .410 Shotgun
HiPoint 9mm carbine
Browning HiPower 9mm single action
Medusa .38special/.380/9mm/.38 super/.357/or 'any variation thereof' revolver.
.22lr/.22 magnum single action revolver
Ruger .22 semi auto pistol
Give me an M-16/Ar-15 and I'll sell it buy a fine AKM every time.
AK family of weapons fires every time, wet or dry clean or dirty.
M-16 has to be cleaned often, kept dry, repeat ad unable to shoot when you need it most.
Bury an AK in seashore sand and mud. Let saltwater wash over for weeks or months. Dig up, shake, smack with hand a few times to clear mud and sand and work action to chamber fresh round, then fire away, wet, dirty, rusted, still reliable.
Give me a Colt .45 SAA auto and I'll sell the damn thing and buy a fine reliable Browning HiPower every time.
John Browning designed the Colt.
Then after seeing how most of them couldn't hit the side of a barn from the inside without special gunsmithing & tweaking;
John Browning designed the fine reliable Browning HiPower |
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Evil Twin
Senior Forum Moderator
User ID: 474334
7/27/2008 11:09 PM
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John Browning designed the Colt.
Then after seeing how most of them couldn't hit the side of a barn from the inside without special gunsmithing & tweaking;
John Browning designed the fine reliable Browning HiPower Quoting: Anonymous Coward 474591
LOL There are a bunch of people here that will disagree with you about the 1911 being inaccurate. I have nothing against HiPowers though. Nice pistols...if only they came in .45 ;) |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 472033
7/27/2008 11:34 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
John Browning designed the Colt.
Then after seeing how most of them couldn't hit the side of a barn from the inside without special gunsmithing & tweaking;
John Browning designed the fine reliable Browning HiPower
LOL There are a bunch of people here that will disagree with you about the 1911 being inaccurate. I have nothing against HiPowers though. Nice pistols...if only they came in .45 ;) Quoting: Evil Twin
I've been shooting pistols for many years now....since I was 7 years old..
One of my favorite tricks is to loiter around the range...watch some of the shooters congratulate themselves by hitting within the X ring at 100 with some rifle........pfft! I pull out my 1006 10mm and do almost as good...it's easy. PRACTICE and PRACTICE. |
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Lester
User ID: 474299
7/27/2008 11:37 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
If you really think you will be spending your time in a swamp or mudhole, and you are to dimwitted to keep your weapon free of the muck, then you probably need and deserve an AK47. It's your party. Just don't tell anyone who is gun-savy about your "Colt .45 SAA (Single Action Army) auto" unless you really don't mind outing yourself as an idiot.
Lose that magazine from your Browning P35 and you will have a single shot. Triggers on the Hi-Power aren't very decent either. I used to own one, then I bought a Series 70 Gold Cup. Nowadays a Govt Model is all I need.
Okay with me, in fact preferable, when dudes I won't be associating with choose weapons that are inferior. Your money, your choice; your funeral. A rifle that is not capable of good accuracy is of no interest to me. A defensive pistol that won't stop the fight with one hit is of no interest to me. But I am not in the urban theatre, and I'm not planning to play Blackhawk Down for keeps. A rifle that will reliably hit the target out to 500yds is something I value. How many AK 47s will do that at half the distance? A carbine is a pretty limited weapon. Limited to up close, exactly where I don't want to be.
Any survivalist who thinks they are going to be collecting their old age pension as a retired gunfighter is delusional. Too many guys have seen too many movies. |
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Evil Twin
Senior Forum Moderator
User ID: 474610
7/27/2008 11:40 PM
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Just don't tell anyone who is gun-savy about your "Colt .45 SAA (Single Action Army) auto" unless you really don't mind outing yourself as an idiot. Quoting: Lester
I was going to let that one slide... |
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Omega
User ID: 405824
7/27/2008 11:45 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
Any survivalist who thinks they are going to be collecting their old age pension as a retired gunfighter is delusional. Too many guys have seen too many movies. Quoting: Lester
Indeed. Pistol fights are short, violent, last ditch and something to be avoided if at all possible.
Accurate medium to long range shooting is where it's at.
Handguns are a skill; shotguns an art; rifles a science.
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Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on whats for dinner.
Disarmament is the precursor to Genocide.
Better to take action now rather than chances later. Your choice. |
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Trench
User ID: 462111
7/27/2008 11:46 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
Just don't tell anyone who is gun-savy about your "Colt .45 SAA (Single Action Army) auto" unless you really don't mind outing yourself as an idiot.
I was going to let that one slide...
I expect nothing. I fear no one. I am free.
- Nikos Kazantzakis
"Before all else, be armed."
Niccolo Machiavelli
"Here's to the crazy ones. The misfits. The rebels. The trouble-makers. The round pegs in the square holes. The ones who see things differently. They're not fond of rules. And they have no respect for the status-quo. You can quote them. Disagree with them. Glorify, or villify them. But the only thing you can't do is ignore them. Because they change things. They push the human race forward. And while some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do."-Jack Kerouac
Yahoo Messenger: trenchhawk
Philosophy of Liberty: [link to illuminati-order.com] |
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Omega
User ID: 405824
7/27/2008 11:49 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
Just don't tell anyone who is gun-savy about your "Colt .45 SAA (Single Action Army) auto" unless you really don't mind outing yourself as an idiot.
I was going to let that one slide...
Dont...People who are ill informed about weaponry need to be kept in check and corrected on the spot because they tend to be the first ones who chime in with self professed "expert advice" that will throw a neophyte in the deep end of the pool quicker than shit..
without a doubt. Heh. Long time no see Trench......
Handguns are a skill; shotguns an art; rifles a science.
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Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on whats for dinner.
Disarmament is the precursor to Genocide.
Better to take action now rather than chances later. Your choice. |
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malu
User ID: 421073
7/27/2008 11:52 PM
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howdy all
i was interviewed today by a college student about the second amendment, and my thoughts on gun control and taxing ammo
i think you guys know what i had to say ;)
hopefully i converted her to our way of thinking :)
When peaceful revolution becomes impossible, violent revolution becomes inevitable.
"Hard pressed on my right. My center is yielding. Impossible to maneuver. Situation excellent. I am attacking." |
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Evil Twin
Senior Forum Moderator
User ID: 474610
7/27/2008 11:53 PM
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Just don't tell anyone who is gun-savy about your "Colt .45 SAA (Single Action Army) auto" unless you really don't mind outing yourself as an idiot.
I was going to let that one slide...
Dont...People who are ill informed about weaponry need to be kept in check and corrected on the spot because they tend to be the first ones who chime in with self professed "expert advice" that will throw a neophyte in the deep end of the pool quicker than shit..
Good point.
I was just being lazy. |
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Evil Twin
Senior Forum Moderator
User ID: 474610
7/27/2008 11:54 PM
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howdy all
i was interviewed today by a college student about the second amendment, and my thoughts on gun control and taxing ammo
i think you guys know what i had to say ;)
hopefully i converted her to our way of thinking :) Quoting: malu
Hey malu, I'm sure she left with a new appreciation of gun rights advocates' position! |
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Trench
User ID: 462111
7/27/2008 11:59 PM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
Just don't tell anyone who is gun-savy about your "Colt .45 SAA (Single Action Army) auto" unless you really don't mind outing yourself as an idiot.
I was going to let that one slide...
Dont...People who are ill informed about weaponry need to be kept in check and corrected on the spot because they tend to be the first ones who chime in with self professed "expert advice" that will throw a neophyte in the deep end of the pool quicker than shit..
without a doubt. Heh. Long time no see Trench......
I expect nothing. I fear no one. I am free.
- Nikos Kazantzakis
"Before all else, be armed."
Niccolo Machiavelli
"Here's to the crazy ones. The misfits. The rebels. The trouble-makers. The round pegs in the square holes. The ones who see things differently. They're not fond of rules. And they have no respect for the status-quo. You can quote them. Disagree with them. Glorify, or villify them. But the only thing you can't do is ignore them. Because they change things. They push the human race forward. And while some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do."-Jack Kerouac
Yahoo Messenger: trenchhawk
Philosophy of Liberty: [link to illuminati-order.com] |
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malu
User ID: 421073
7/28/2008 12:04 AM
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howdy all
i was interviewed today by a college student about the second amendment, and my thoughts on gun control and taxing ammo
i think you guys know what i had to say ;)
hopefully i converted her to our way of thinking :)
Hey malu, I'm sure she left with a new appreciation of gun rights advocates' position! Quoting: Evil Twin
had we done this at the range, i am certain i could have talked her into shooting
i told her to come check out this forum, not so sure that was a good idea! lol
When peaceful revolution becomes impossible, violent revolution becomes inevitable.
"Hard pressed on my right. My center is yielding. Impossible to maneuver. Situation excellent. I am attacking." |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 472033
7/28/2008 12:05 AM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
Hey guys, just thought I'd pass this along...
If you want to TEMPORARILY apply a different coating to your favorite weapon, look into this: plasti-kote HI TEMP PAINT
I've done the SS barrel of one of my rifles...it looks just like parkerizing....the cool thing about this coating is that it is very easily dissolved by using the common .97 cent can of Wal Mart carburetor cleaner....
I love the very finest weapons, but they aren't always in the finish that we want...this stuff is cured by temp...I used a propane torch..
It looks just great! Not all that durable, but so what? You can touch it up, just spray and then heat with your torch... |
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Trench
User ID: 462111
7/28/2008 12:08 AM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
howdy all
i was interviewed today by a college student about the second amendment, and my thoughts on gun control and taxing ammo
i think you guys know what i had to say ;)
hopefully i converted her to our way of thinking :)
Hey malu, I'm sure she left with a new appreciation of gun rights advocates' position!
had we done this at the range, i am certain i could have talked her into shooting
i told her to come check out this forum, not so sure that was a good idea! lol Quoting: malu
I expect nothing. I fear no one. I am free.
- Nikos Kazantzakis
"Before all else, be armed."
Niccolo Machiavelli
"Here's to the crazy ones. The misfits. The rebels. The trouble-makers. The round pegs in the square holes. The ones who see things differently. They're not fond of rules. And they have no respect for the status-quo. You can quote them. Disagree with them. Glorify, or villify them. But the only thing you can't do is ignore them. Because they change things. They push the human race forward. And while some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do."-Jack Kerouac
Yahoo Messenger: trenchhawk
Philosophy of Liberty: [link to illuminati-order.com] |
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Omega
User ID: 405824
7/28/2008 12:10 AM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
Just don't tell anyone who is gun-savy about your "Colt .45 SAA (Single Action Army) auto" unless you really don't mind outing yourself as an idiot.
I was going to let that one slide...
Dont...People who are ill informed about weaponry need to be kept in check and corrected on the spot because they tend to be the first ones who chime in with self professed "expert advice" that will throw a neophyte in the deep end of the pool quicker than shit..
without a doubt. Heh. Long time no see Trench......
Indeed bro, i trust the hounds and the garden are doing well?
Yup, everything is cool. Here is a happy happy joy joy pics of the ole girl,lol...the newest.....
Good to see you around man, I need some shuteye for work tomorrow,drats....
Later boys!!!
Handguns are a skill; shotguns an art; rifles a science.
_____________________________________
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on whats for dinner.
Disarmament is the precursor to Genocide.
Better to take action now rather than chances later. Your choice. |
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Trench
User ID: 462111
7/28/2008 12:12 AM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
Hey guys, just thought I'd pass this along...
If you want to TEMPORARILY apply a different coating to your favorite weapon, look into this: plasti-kote HI TEMP PAINT
I've done the SS barrel of one of my rifles...it looks just like parkerizing....the cool thing about this coating is that it is very easily dissolved by using the common .97 cent can of Wal Mart carburetor cleaner....
I love the very finest weapons, but they aren't always in the finish that we want...this stuff is cured by temp...I used a propane torch..
It looks just great! Not all that durable, but so what? You can touch it up, just spray and then heat with your torch... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 472033
I expect nothing. I fear no one. I am free.
- Nikos Kazantzakis
"Before all else, be armed."
Niccolo Machiavelli
"Here's to the crazy ones. The misfits. The rebels. The trouble-makers. The round pegs in the square holes. The ones who see things differently. They're not fond of rules. And they have no respect for the status-quo. You can quote them. Disagree with them. Glorify, or villify them. But the only thing you can't do is ignore them. Because they change things. They push the human race forward. And while some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do."-Jack Kerouac
Yahoo Messenger: trenchhawk
Philosophy of Liberty: [link to illuminati-order.com] |
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Evil Twin
Senior Forum Moderator
User ID: 474610
7/28/2008 12:12 AM
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howdy all
i was interviewed today by a college student about the second amendment, and my thoughts on gun control and taxing ammo
i think you guys know what i had to say ;)
hopefully i converted her to our way of thinking :)
Hey malu, I'm sure she left with a new appreciation of gun rights advocates' position!
had we done this at the range, i am certain i could have talked her into shooting
i told her to come check out this forum, not so sure that was a good idea! lol Quoting: malu
Hmmm, Malu, a pretty young college girl, and a shooting range.
That scenario has a lot of potential! :)
Seriously though, every single girl or woman I've introduced to shooting absolutely loved it.
I have a whole slew of female teenage cousins that live nearby who would shoot every round of ammo I could make, if I let them! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 472033
7/28/2008 12:25 AM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
Hey guys, just thought I'd pass this along...
If you want to TEMPORARILY apply a different coating to your favorite weapon, look into this: plasti-kote HI TEMP PAINT
I've done the SS barrel of one of my rifles...it looks just like parkerizing....the cool thing about this coating is that it is very easily dissolved by using the common .97 cent can of Wal Mart carburetor cleaner....
I love the very finest weapons, but they aren't always in the finish that we want...this stuff is cured by temp...I used a propane torch..
It looks just great! Not all that durable, but so what? You can touch it up, just spray and then heat with your torch...
A lot of AR guys are into that, spray painting the gun in different colors to camo it..Fal fans of the Rhodesian style finish go fucking rattle can crazy too.. Quoting: Trench
True that.....In fact, have you seen the latest shotgun news? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 472033
7/28/2008 12:49 AM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
Hey guys, just thought I'd pass this along...
If you want to TEMPORARILY apply a different coating to your favorite weapon, look into this: plasti-kote HI TEMP PAINT
I've done the SS barrel of one of my rifles...it looks just like parkerizing....the cool thing about this coating is that it is very easily dissolved by using the common .97 cent can of Wal Mart carburetor cleaner....
I love the very finest weapons, but they aren't always in the finish that we want...this stuff is cured by temp...I used a propane torch..
It looks just great! Not all that durable, but so what? You can touch it up, just spray and then heat with your torch...
A lot of AR guys are into that, spray painting the gun in different colors to camo it..Fal fans of the Rhodesian style finish go fucking rattle can crazy too.. Quoting: Trench
Thanks bro...I'm doing my thing all alone.........I am part of the world's biggest army...the biggest army in all of known history. |
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Prof_Rabbit
User ID: 148352
7/28/2008 12:56 AM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
I know this runs counter to just about everything that's being recommended by others, but if you're a "hick" like me, then you know it rings true. The flatlanders are scared because they're alone and isolated; we're not scared. We've endured bad times before, and we don't need much to get by. We're not saints, but we will reciprocate to those who extend their good spirit and generosity to the community in which they live and in which they produce something of value. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 458358
Having grown up in Rural Aussie I would agree, if you join a community you will still be an outsider, but you won't be a stranger. When you break something there will be someone who knows how to fix it.
For the Americans, how many of your common household goods can be repaired? would you repair a bicycle crank if it broke? Freezer compressor? If you break a hacksaw blade do you use the broken pieces or throw them in the bin?
Small communities band together in adversity.
"Anger is a wind that blows out the lamp of your mind" |
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malu
User ID: 421073
7/28/2008 1:01 AM
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I know this runs counter to just about everything that's being recommended by others, but if you're a "hick" like me, then you know it rings true. The flatlanders are scared because they're alone and isolated; we're not scared. We've endured bad times before, and we don't need much to get by. We're not saints, but we will reciprocate to those who extend their good spirit and generosity to the community in which they live and in which they produce something of value.
Having grown up in Rural Aussie I would agree, if you join a community you will still be an outsider, but you won't be a stranger. When you break something there will be someone who knows how to fix it.
For the Americans, how many of your common household goods can be repaired? would you repair a bicycle crank if it broke? Freezer compressor? If you break a hacksaw blade do you use the broken pieces or throw them in the bin?
Small communities band together in adversity. Quoting: Prof_Rabbit
a big part of our culture is the throw away mentality, for most things it is cheaper to replace it , than to repair it
i hope this changes someday, this is relatively new, the past twenty years
When peaceful revolution becomes impossible, violent revolution becomes inevitable.
"Hard pressed on my right. My center is yielding. Impossible to maneuver. Situation excellent. I am attacking." |
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Evil Twin
Senior Forum Moderator
User ID: 474610
7/28/2008 1:02 AM
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I know this runs counter to just about everything that's being recommended by others, but if you're a "hick" like me, then you know it rings true. The flatlanders are scared because they're alone and isolated; we're not scared. We've endured bad times before, and we don't need much to get by. We're not saints, but we will reciprocate to those who extend their good spirit and generosity to the community in which they live and in which they produce something of value.
Having grown up in Rural Aussie I would agree, if you join a community you will still be an outsider, but you won't be a stranger. When you break something there will be someone who knows how to fix it.
For the Americans, how many of your common household goods can be repaired? would you repair a bicycle crank if it broke? Freezer compressor? If you break a hacksaw blade do you use the broken pieces or throw them in the bin?
Small communities band together in adversity. Quoting: Prof_Rabbit
I am an American that lives in a very rural community. I am also a terrible pack-rat. I can't throw away anything that might be useful later as repair parts. I save brass for cartridges that I don't have a gun chambered for, lol. |
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Frigg Stuyvesant
User ID: 398933
7/28/2008 1:15 AM
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I wish you guys could see "Gurtrude" the turkey slayer.
H&R 1 shot 10 ga. Turkeys tremble before her wrath!
Turkey is a pleasant part of survival.
So is Wild Turkey 101 |
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Evil Twin
Senior Forum Moderator
User ID: 474610
7/28/2008 1:19 AM
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I wish you guys could see "Gurtrude" the turkey slayer.
H&R 1 shot 10 ga. Turkeys tremble before her wrath!
Turkey is a pleasant part of survival.
So is Wild Turkey 101 Quoting: Frigg Stuyvesant
How is ammo availability for a 10 ga. these days?
Do you have to special order it? |
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Frigg Stuyvesant
User ID: 398933
7/28/2008 1:23 AM
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I wish you guys could see "Gurtrude" the turkey slayer.
H&R 1 shot 10 ga. Turkeys tremble before her wrath!
Turkey is a pleasant part of survival.
So is Wild Turkey 101
How is ammo availability for a 10 ga. these days?
Do you have to special order it? Quoting: Evil Twin
HA HA!!,
Not cheap but you only need one to close the deal!
It is available.
Oklahoma.....Damn near as many guns as Texas.
Total turkey BUSTER!!!Let's see....20 shells and twenty gobblers ...Hmm tasty survival.. |
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Prof-Rabbit (nli)
User ID: 148352
7/28/2008 1:28 AM | | Re: Survival Guns discussed | Quote |
And for the 10/22 guys- great for squirls, but bad for defense. Sure, if you were sniping and able to hit everything in the face. But come on 
With that said, the best survival gun is having more than one (one for each type of job).
The best survival gun is the one you have on hand, not the dozen in the gun rack, the hideout or the cache. |
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