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| Frigg Stuyvesant
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7/26/2008 7:39 PM
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Many have seen these lists before.
I don't want to seem like a broken record. But for those who haven't seen them they could save a lot of time research/compiling allow people more time to"PREPARE" now.
Feel free to recommend anything I might have overlooked.
1. Generators (Good ones cost dearly. Gas storage, risky. Noisy...target of
thieves; maintenance etc.)
2. Water Filters/Purifiers
3. Portable Toilets baby wipes
4. Seasoned Firewood. Wood takes about 6 - 12 months to become dried, for home uses.
5. Lamp Oil, Wicks, Lamps (First Choice: Buy CLEAR oil. If scarce, stockpile ANY!)
6. Coleman Fuel. Impossible to stockpile too much.
7. Guns, Ammunition,cleaning suplies parts oil etc.. Pepper Spray, Knives, Clubs, Bats & Slingshots, multitools meathook etc..
8. Hand-can openers, & hand egg beaters,Ginders whisks.
9. Honey/Syrups/white, brown sugar (hard)candies,chocolate
10. Rice - Beans (sprouts)- Wheat-lentils-ALL pastas falafel mixes -nuts(all)-dried potato Flour,grits,etc..
11. Vegetable Oil shortening ,Lard, bacon grease (for cooking) Without it food burns/must be boiled etc.,)
12. Charcoal, Lighter Fluid (Will become scarce suddenly) Coal
13. Water Containers (Urgent Item to obtain.) Any size. Small: HARD CLEAR PLASTIC ONLY - note - food grade if for drinking.
16. Propane Cylinders (Urgent: Definite shortages will occur.)Lg.burner w/lg. metal pots&lids ,hot gloves
17. Survival Guide Book.(s)
18. Mantles: Aladdin, Coleman, etc. (Without this item, longer-term lighting is
difficult.)
19. Baby Supplies: Diapers/formula. ointments/aspirin, etc.
20. Washboards, Mop Bucket w/wringer (for Laundry)
21. Cookstoves (Propane, Coleman & Kerosene)
22. Vitamins
23. Propane Cylinder Handle-Holder (Urgent: Small canister use is dangerous
without this item)
24. Feminine Hygiene/Haircare/Skin products.Lg.assortment towels rags etc..
25. Thermal underwear (Tops & Bottoms)multiples
26. Bow saws, axes and hatchets, Wedges splitting Mauls (also, honing oil)Shovels & rakes
27. Aluminum Foil Reg. & Heavy Duty (Great Cooking and Barter Item)
28. Gasoline Containers (Plastic & Metal)
29. Garbage Bags (Impossible To Have Too Many).
30. Toilet Paper, Kleenex, Paper Towels
31. Games,cards,sturdy toys etc.
32. High quality camping/ outdooring essentials
33. Cast iron cookware and decent cutlery w/ cutting boards
34. basic fishing tackle
35. Wood stoves cook/heat
36. Tobacco / smokables? (barter)
37. Ropes/cordage- innumerable uses
38. magnifying glass(fire starting)or close inspection
39. crowbars prybars(sm. to lg.)
40. Alcohol to barter or drown sorrows
41. Books -comics jokebooks, Bibles, religious, How-To etc..
42. Musical instruments and strings accesories etc..
43. Sturdy Boots(absolutely)really warm coats, rain gear.Wool clothes hats gloves .Galoshes
44. Dried milk,evaporated milk condensed etc..ensure,infamil etc..geriatric or baby foods
45. SPAM or other potted meats
46. Canned fish Tuna Salmon Sardines Haddock white fish etc..
47. Blankets(Wool) have plenty.
48. Canned Foods- fruits vegetables beans cheese etc..as much as possible
49. Writing materials pencils,etc..
50. Tarpaulins lg.Canvases etc.
51. First aid supplies-the best you can muster(alcohol,antibiotic cream,bug dope,sunscreen,burns(aloevera,etc.),Eye treatment,pain killers etc..think..)
52. Power converters DC to AC. several if possible
53. Solar panels(if possible)to recharge DC power sources or car battery
54. Deep cycle batteries
55. Bicycle- Free Transpo good.
56. Fire protection, extinguishers etc.
57. Rechargeable Batteries and Charging units
58. Coffees and teas.steepable roots etc..
59. Boullion(chicken beef etc.)
60. Hand Tools-you can NEVER have too many..(start with the basics)lumber nails,screws
61. Basic Automotive repair/maintainance tools .manuals to your cars etc..
62. Pickle/Paint buckets w/lids and handles. storage,Water hauling,emergency toilet etc..
63. Insulated food coolers(assorted)
64. White/Blue tip matches w/waterproof container,Bookmatches etc..Lots
65. Colloidal silver generator (antibacterial,etc.)
66. Hand or foot operated water(well) and air siphon/pump.portable air tank
67. Bleach(too many uses to list)sanitization etc..
68. Candles/ candle making kit
69. Seeds you name it..
70. Fermentation jugs and distilling gear, To make fermented products( Wink Wink!)
71. Bow or crossbow and arrows(bolts)xtra bow string
72.
Plaigerized from my list and ammended
Top 100 Items To Likey Disappear First
1. Generators (Good ones cost dearly. Gas storage, risky. Noisy...target of thieves; maintenance etc.)
2. Water Filters/Purifiers
3. Portable Toilets
4. Seasoned Firewood. Wood takes about 6 - 12 months to become dried, for home uses.
5. Lamp Oil, Wicks, Lamps (First Choice: Buy CLEAR oil. If scarce, stockpile ANY!)
6. Coleman Fuel. Impossible to stockpile too much.
7. Guns, Ammunition, Pepper Spray, Knives, Clubs, Bats & Slingshots.
8. Hand-can openers, & hand egg beaters, whisks.
9. Honey/Syrups/white, brown sugar
10. Rice - Beans - Wheat
11. Vegetable Oil (for cooking) Without it food burns/must be boiled etc.,)
12. Charcoal, Lighter Fluid (Will become scarce suddenly)
13. Water Containers (Urgent Item to obtain.) Any size. Small: HARD CLEAR PLASTIC ONLY - note - food grade if for drinking.
16. Propane Cylinders (Urgent: Definite shortages will occur.)
17. Survival Guide Book.
18. Mantles: Aladdin, Coleman, etc. (Without this item, longer-term lighting is difficult.)
19. Baby Supplies: Diapers/formula. ointments/aspirin, etc.
20. Washboards, Mop Bucket w/wringer (for Laundry)
21. Cookstoves (Propane, Coleman & Kerosene)
22. Vitamins
23. Propane Cylinder Handle-Holder (Urgent: Small canister use is dangerous without this item)
24. Feminine Hygiene/Haircare/Skin products.
25. Thermal underwear (Tops & Bottoms)
26. Bow saws, axes and hatchets, Wedges (also, honing oil)
27. Aluminum Foil Reg. & Heavy Duty (Great Cooking and Barter Item)
28. Gasoline Containers (Plastic & Metal)
29. Garbage Bags (Impossible To Have Too Many).
30. Toilet Paper, Kleenex, Paper Towels
31. Milk - Powdered & Condensed (Shake Liquid every 3 to 4 months)
32. Garden Seeds (Non-Hybrid) (A MUST)
33. Clothes pins/line/hangers (A MUST)
34. Coleman's Pump Repair Kit
35. Tuna Fish (in oil)
36. Fire Extinguishers (or..large box of Baking Soda in every room)
37. First aid kits
38. Batteries (all sizes...buy furthest-out for Expiration Dates)
39. Garlic, spices & vinegar, baking supplies
40. Big Dogs (and plenty of dog food)
41. Flour, yeast & salt
42. Matches. {"Strike Anywhere" preferred.) Boxed, wooden matches will go first
43. Writing paper/pads/pencils, solar calculators
44. Insulated ice chests (good for keeping items from freezing in Wintertime.)
45. Workboots, belts, Levis & durable shirts
46. Flashlights/LIGHTSTICKS & torches, "No. 76 Dietz" Lanterns
47. Journals, Diaries & Scrapbooks (jot down ideas, feelings, experience; Historic Times)
48. Garbage cans Plastic (great for storage, water, transporting - if with wheels)
49. Men's Hygiene: Shampoo, Toothbrush/paste, Mouthwash/floss, nail clippers, etc
50. Cast iron cookware (sturdy, efficient)
51. Fishing supplies/tools
52. Mosquito coils/repellent, sprays/creams
53. Duct Tape
54. Tarps/stakes/twine/nails/rope/spikes
55. Candles
56. Laundry Detergent (liquid)
57. Backpacks, Duffel Bags
58. Garden tools & supplies
59. Scissors, fabrics & sewing supplies
60. Canned Fruits, Veggies, Soups, stews, etc.
61. Bleach (plain, NOT scented: 4 to 6% sodium hypochlorite)
62. Canning supplies, (Jars/lids/wax)
63. Knives & Sharpening tools: files, stones, steel
64. Bicycles...Tires/tubes/pumps/chains, etc
65. Sleeping Bags & blankets/pillows/mats
66. Carbon Monoxide Alarm (battery powered)
67. Board Games, Cards, Dice
68. d-con Rat poison, MOUSE PRUFE II, Roach Killer
69. Mousetraps, Ant traps & cockroach magnets
70. Paper plates/cups/utensils (stock up, folks)
71. Baby wipes, oils, waterless & Antibacterial soap (saves a lot of water)
72. Rain gear, rubberized boots, etc.
73. Shaving supplies (razors & creams, talc, after shave)
74. Hand pumps & siphons (for water and for fuels)
75. Soysauce, vinegar, bullions/gravy/soupbase
76. Reading glasses
77. Chocolate/Cocoa/Tang/Punch (water enhancers)
78. "Survival-in-a-Can"
79. Woolen clothing, scarves/ear-muffs/mittens
80. Boy Scout Handbook, / also Leaders Catalog
81. Roll-on Window Insulation Kit (MANCO)
82. Graham crackers, saltines, pretzels, Trail mix/Jerky
83. Popcorn, Peanut Butter, Nuts
84. Socks, Underwear, T-shirts, etc. (extras)
85. Lumber (all types)
86. Wagons & carts (for transport to and from)
87. Cots & Inflatable mattress's
88. Gloves: Work/warming/gardening, etc.
89. Lantern Hangers
90. Screen Patches, glue, nails, screws,, nuts & bolts
91. Teas
92. Coffee
93. Cigarettes
94. Wine/Liquors (for bribes, medicinal, etc,)
95. Paraffin wax
96. Glue, nails, nuts, bolts, screws, etc.
97. Chewing gum/candies
98. Atomizers (for cooling/bathing)
99. Hats & cotton neckerchiefs
100. Livestock
100 Items To Disappear
First In A Panic
By Joseph Almond
5-21-6
#1. Generators (Good ones cost dearly. Gas storage, risky. Noisy.. target of thieves; maintenance, etc.)
#2. Water Filters/Purifiers (Shipping delays increasing.)
#3. Portable Toilets (Increasing in price every twomonths.)
#4. Seasoned Firewood (About $100 per cord; wood takes 6 - 12 mos. to become dried, for home uses.)
#5. Lamp Oil, Wicks, Lamps (First choice: Buy CLEAR oil. If scarce, stockpile ANY!)
#6. Coleman Fuel (URGENT $2.69-$3.99/gal. Impossible to stockpile too much.)
#7. Guns, Ammunition, Pepper Spray, Knives, Clubs, Bats & Slingshots
#8. Hand-Can openers & hand egg beaters, whisks (Life savers!)
#9. Honey/Syrups/white, brown sugars
#10. Rice - Beans - Wheat (White rice is now $12.95
- 50# bag. Sam's Club, stock depleted often.)
#11. Vegetable oil (for cooking) (Without it food burns/must be boiled, etc.)
#12. Charcoal & Lighter fluid (Will become scarce suddenly.)
#13. Water containers (Urgent Item to obtain. An size. Small: HARD CLEAR PLASTIC ONLY)
#14. Mini Heater head (Propane) (Without this item, propane won't heat a room.)
#15. Grain Grinder (Non-electric)
#16. Propane Cylinders (Urgent: Definite shortages will occur by September, 1999.)
#17. Michael Hyatt's Y2K Survival Guide (BEST single y2k handbook for sound advice/tips.)
#18. Mantles: Aladdin, Coleman, etc. (Without this item, longer-term lighting is difficult.)
#19. Baby Supplies: Diapers/formula/ointments/aspirin, etc
#20. Washboards, Mop Bucket w/wringer (for Laundry)
#21. Cookstoves (Propane, Coleman & Kerosene)
#22. Vitamins (Critical, due 10 Y2K-forced daily canned food diets.)
#23. Propane Cylinder Handle-Holder (Urgent: Small canister use is dangerous without this item.)
#24. Feminine Hygiene/Haircare/Skin products
#25. Thermal underwear (Tops and bottoms)
#26. Bow saws, axes and hatchets & Wedges (also, honing oil)
#27. Aluminum foil Reg. & Hvy. Duty (Great Cooking & Barter item)
#28. Gasoline containers (Plastic or Metal)
#29. Garbage bags (Impossible to have too many.)
#30. Toilet Paper, Kleenex, paper towels
#31. Milk - Powdered & Condensed (Shake liquid every 3 to 4 months.)
#32. Garden seeds (Non-hybrid) (A MUST)
#33. Clothes pins/line/hangers (A MUST)
#34. Coleman's Pump Repair Kit: 1(800) 835-3278
#35. Tuna Fish (in oil)
#36. Fire extinguishers (or.. large box of Baking soda in every room...)
#37. First aid kits
#38. Batteries (all sizes... buy furthest-out for Expiration Dates)
#39. Garlic, spices & vinegar, baking supplies
#40. BIG DOGS (and plenty of dog food)
#41. Flour, yeast & salt
#42. Matches (3 box/$1 .44 at WalMart: "Strike Anywhere" preferred. Boxed, wooden matches will go first.)
#43. Writing paper/pads/pencils/solar calculators
#44. Insulated ice chests (good for keeping items from freezing in Wintertime)
#45. Workboots, belts, Levis & durable shirts
#46. Flashlights/LIGIITSTICKS & torches, "No. 76 Dietz" Lanterns
#47. Journals, Diaries & Scrapbooks (Jot down ideas, feelings, experiences: Historic times!)
#48. Garbage cans Plastic (great for storage, water transporting - if with wheels)
#49. Men's Hygiene: Shampoo, Toothbrush/paste, Mouthwash/floss, nail clippers, etc
#50. Cast iron cookware (sturdy, efficient)
#51. Fishing supplies/tools
#52. Mosquito coils/repellent sprays/creams
#53. Duct tape
#54. Tarps/stakes/twine/nails/rope/spikes
#55. Candles
#56. Laundry detergent (Liquid)
#57. Backpacks & Duffle bags
#58. Garden tools & supplies
#59. Scissors, fabrics & sewing supplies
#60. Canned Fruits, Veggies, Soups, stews, etc.
#61. Bleach (plain, NOT scented: 4 to 6% sodium hypochlorite)
#62. Canning supplies (Jars/lids/wax)
#63. Knives & Sharpening tools: files, stones, steel
#64. Bicycles... Tires/tubes/pumps/chains, etc.
#65. Sleeping bags & blankets/pillows/mats
#66. Carbon Monoxide Alarm (battery powered)
#67. Board Games Cards, Dice
#68. d-Con Rat poison, MOUSE PRUFE II, Roach Killer
#69. Mousetraps, Ant traps & cockroach magnets
#70. Paper plates/cups/utensils (stock up, folks...)
#71. Baby Wipes, diapers, tampons, oils, waterless & Anti-bacterial soap (saves a lot of water)
#72. Rain gear, rubberized boots, etc.
#73. Shaving supplies (razors & creams, talc, after shave)
#74. Hand pumps & siphons (for water and for fuels)
#75. Soysauce, vinegar, boullions/gravy/soup base
#76. Reading glasses
#77. Chocolate/Cocoa/Tang/Punch (water enhancers)
#78. "Survival-in-a-Can"
#79. Woolen clothing, scarves/ear-muffs/mittens
#80. BSA - New 1998 - Boy Scout Handbook (also, Leader's Catalog)
#81. Roll-on Window Insulation Kit (MANCO)
#82. Graham crackers, saltines, pretzels, Trail mix/Jerky
#83. Popcorn, Peanut Butter, Nuts
#84. Socks, Underwear, T-shirts, etc. (extras)
#85. Lumber (all types)
#86. Wagons & carts (for transport to & from open Flea markets)
#87. Cots & Inflatable mattresses (for extra guests)
#88. Gloves: Work/warming/gardening, etc.
#89. Lantern Hangers
#90. Screen Patches, glue, nails, screws, nuts & bolts
#91. Teas
#92. Coffee
#93. Cigarettes
#94. Wine/Liquors (for bribes, medicinal, etc.)
#95. Paraffin wax
#96. Glue, nails, nuts, bolts, screws, etc.
#97. Chewing gum/candies
#98. Atomizers (for cooling/bathing)
#99. Hats & cotton neckerchiefs
#100. Goats/chickens |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 472033
7/26/2008 7:44 PM | | Re: Recession proof GLP Things that might aid you in turbulent uncertain times | Quote |
Thanks Stu......that's quite a list, and would take mucho $$$$ to acquire....I'll have to settle for a bit less...
Oh, when are you going to change that annoying avatar? I'll mail you a buck if you do...heheh |
| Frigg Stuyvesant
User ID: 398933
7/26/2008 7:46 PM
| | Re: Recession proof GLP Things that might aid you in turbulent uncertain times | Quote |
This was from a gun thread but,It made a whole lot of sense to me.
Long but worth the read.
link to www.oftwominds.com]
Charles Hugh Smith
The Art of Survival, Taoism and the Warring States
This week's theme: Survival + (June 27, 2008)
I'm not trying to be difficult, but I can't help cutting against the grain on topics like surviving the coming bad times when my experience runs counter to the standard received wisdom.
A common thread within most discussions of surviving bad times--especially really bad times--runs more or less like this: stockpile a bunch of canned/dried food and other valuable accoutrements of civilized life (generators, tools, canned goods, firearms, etc.) in a remote area far from urban centers, and then wait out the bad times, all the while protecting your stash with an array of weaponry and technology (night vision binocs, etc.)
Now while I respect and admire the goal, I must respectfully disagree with just about every assumption behind this strategy. Once again, this isn't because I enjoy being ornery (please don't check on that with my wife) but because everything in this strategy runs counter to my own experience in rural, remote settings.
You see, when I was a young teen my family lived in the mountains. To the urban sophisticates who came up as tourists, we were "hicks" (or worse), and to us they were "flatlanders" (derisive snort).
Now the first thing you have to realize is that we know the flatlanders, but they don't know us. They come up to their cabin, and since we live here year round, we soon recognize their vehicles and know about how often they come up, what they look like, if they own a boat, how many in their family, and just about everything else which can be learned by simple observation.
The second thing you have to consider is that after school and chores (remember there are lots of kids who are too young to have a legal job, and many older teens with no jobs, which are scarce), boys and girls have a lot of time on their hands. We're not taking piano lessons and all that urban busywork. And while there are plenty of pudgy kids spending all afternoon or summer in front of the TV or videogame console, not every kid is like that.
So we're out riding around. On a scooter or motorcycle if we have one, (and if there's gasoline, of course), but if not then on bicycles, or we're hoofing it. Since we have time, and we're wandering all over this valley or mountain or plain, one way or another, then somebody will spot that trail of dust rising behind your pickup when you go to your remote hideaway. Or we'll run across the new road or driveway you cut, and wander up to see what's going on. Not when you're around, of course, but after you've gone back down to wherever you live. There's plenty of time; since you picked a remote spot, nobody's around.
Your hideaway isn't remote to us; this is our valley, mountain, desert, etc., all 20 miles of it, or what have you. We've hiked around all the peaks, because there's no reason not to and we have a lot of energy. Fences and gates are no big deal, (if you triple-padlock your gate, then we'll just climb over it) and any dirt road, no matter how rough, is just an open invitation to see what's up there. Remember, if you can drive to your hideaway, so can we. Even a small pickup truck can easily drive right through most gates (don't ask how, but I can assure you this is true). If nobody's around, we have all the time in the world to lift up or snip your barbed wire and sneak into your haven. Its remoteness makes it easy for us to poke around and explore without fear of being seen.
What flatlanders think of as remote, we think of as home. If you packed in everything on your back, and there was no road, then you'd have a very small hideaway--more a tent than a cabin. You'd think it was safely hidden, but we'd eventually find it anyway, because we wander all over this area, maybe hunting rabbits, or climbing rocks, or doing a little fishing if there are any creeks or lakes in the area. Or we'd spot the wisp of smoke rising from your fire one crisp morning, or hear your generator, and wonder who's up there. We don't need much of a reason to walk miles over rough country, or ride miles on our bikes.
When we were 13, my buddy J.E. and I tied sleeping bags and a few provisions on our bikes--mine was a crappy old 3-speed, his a Schwinn 10-speed--and rode off into the next valley over bone-jarring dirt roads. We didn't have fancy bikes with shocks, and we certainly didn't have camp chairs, radios, big ice chests and all the other stuff people think is necessary to go camping; we had some matches, cans of beans and apple sauce and some smashed bread. (It didn't start out smashed, but the roads were rough. Note: if you ever suffer from constipation, I recommend beans and apple sauce.)
We camped where others had camped before us, not in a campground but just off the road in a pretty little meadow with a ring of fire-blackened rocks and a flat spot among the pine needles. We didn't have a tent, or air mattress, or any of those luxuries; but we had the smashed bread and the beans, and we made a little fire and ate and then went to sleep under the stars glittering in the dark sky.
There were a few bears in the area, but we weren't afraid; we didn't need a gun to feel safe. We weren't dumb enough to sleep with our food; if some bear wandered by and wanted the smashed bread, he could take it without bothering us. The only animal which could bother us was the human kind, and since few people walk 10 or more miles over rough ground in the heat and dust, then we'd hear their truck or motorbike approaching long before they ever spotted us.
We explored old mines and anything else we spotted, and then we rode home, a long loop over rutted, dusty roads. In summer, we took countless hikes over the mountainous wilderness behind his family cabin.
All of which is to say that the locals will know where your hideaway is because they have lots of time to poke around. Any road, no matter how rough, might as well be lit with neon lights which read, "Come on up and check this out!" If a teen doesn't spot your road, then somebody will: a county or utility employee out doing his/her job, a hunter, somebody. As I said, the only slim chance you have of being undetected is if you hump every item in your stash on your pack through trailess, roadless wilderness. But if you ever start a fire, or make much noise, then you're sending a beacon somebody will eventually notice.
The Taoists developed their philosophy during an extended era of turmoil known as the Warring States period of Chinese history. One of their main principles runs something like this: if you're tall and stout and strong, then you'll call attention to yourself. And because you're rigid--that is, what looks like strength at first glance--then when the wind rises, it snaps you right in half.
If you're thin and ordinary and flexible, like a willow reed, then you'll bend in the wind, and nobody will notice you. You'll survive while the "strong" will be broken, either by unwanted attention or by being brittle.
Another thing to ponder is that the human animal is a much better predator than it is an elusive prey. Goats and wild turkeys and other animals have very keen senses of smell and hearing, and it's tough to get close without them smelling you or hearing you. They're well camoulflaged, and since human sight is selected to detect movement and color, if they stay quite still we have a hard time spotting them.
In comparison, the human is a clumsy prey. It can't smell or hear very well, and it's large and not well camouflaged. Plus it's usually distracted and unaware of its surroundings. It doesn't take much to kill a human, either; a single-shot rifle and a single round of .22-long is plenty enough.
If the chips are down, and push comes to shove, then what we're discussing is a sort of war, isn't it? And if we're talking about war, then we should think about the principles laid down in The Art Of War by Sun Tzu quite some time ago.
The flatlander protecting his valuable depot is on the defensive, and anyone seeking to take it away (by negotiation, threat or force) is on the offensive. The defense can select the site for proximity to water, clear fields of fire, or what have you, but one or two defenders have numerous disadvantages. Perhaps most importantly, they need to sleep. Secondly, just about anyone who's plinked cans with a rifle and who's done a little hunting can sneak up and put away an unwary human. Unless you remain in an underground bunker 24/7, at some point you'll be vulnerable. And that's really not much of a life--especially when your food supplies finally run out, which they eventually will. Or you run out of water, or your sewage system overflows, or some other situation requires you to emerge.
So let's line it all up. Isn't a flatlander who piles up a high-value stash in a remote area with no neighbors within earshort or line of sight kind of like a big, tall brittle tree? All those chains and locks and barbed-wire fencing and bolted doors just shout out that the flatlander has something valuable inside that cabin/bunker/RV etc.
Now if he doesn't know any better, then the flatlander reckons his stash is safe. But what he's not realizing if that we know about his stash and his vehicle and whatever else can be observed. If some locals want that stash, then they'll wait for the flatlander to leave and then they'll tow the RV off or break into the cabin, or if it's small enough, disassemble it and haul it clean off. There's plenty of time, and nobody's around. That's pretty much the ideal setting for leisurely thieving: a high-value stash of goodies in a remote area accessible by road is just about perfect.
Let's say things have gotten bad, and the flatlander is burrowed into his cabin. Eventually some locals will come up to visit; in a truck if there's gas, on foot if there isn't. We won't be armed; we're not interested in taking the flatlander's life or goodies. We just want to know what kind of person he is. So maybe we'll ask to borrow his generator for a town dance, or tell him about the church food drive, or maybe ask if he's seen so-and-so around.
Now what's the flatlander going to do when several unarmed men approach? Gun them down? Once he's faced with regular unarmed guys, he can't very well conclude they're a threat and warn them off. But if he does, then we'll know he's just another selfish flatlander. He won't get any help later when he needs it; or it will be minimal and grudging. He just counted himself out.
Suppose some bad guys hear about the flatlander's hideway and stash. All it takes to stalk any prey is patience and observation; and no matter how heavily armed the flatlander is, he'll become vulnerable at some point to a long-range shot. (Even body armor can't stop a headshot or a hit to the femoral artery in the thigh.) Maybe he stays indoors for 6 days, or even 60. But at some point the windmill breaks or the dog needs walking or what have you, and he emerges--and then he's vulnerable. The more visible and stringent the security, the more he's advertising the high value of his depot.
And of course guarding a high-value stash alone is problematic for the simple reason that humans need to sleep.
So creating a high-value horde in a remote setting is looking like just about the worst possible strategy in the sense that the flatlander has provided a huge incentive to theft/robbery and also provided a setting advantageous to the thief or hunter.
If someone were to ask this "hick" for a less risky survival strategy, I would suggest moving into town and start showing a little generosity rather than a lot of hoarding. If not in town, then on the edge of town, where you can be seen and heard.
I'd suggest attending church, if you've a mind to, even if your faith isn't as strong as others. Or join the Lions Club, Kiwanis or Rotary International, if you can get an invitation. I'd volunteer to help with the pancake breakfast fundraiser, and buy a couple tickets to other fundraisers in town. I'd mow the old lady's lawn next door for free, and pony up a dollar if the elderly gentleman in line ahead of me at the grocery store finds himself a dollar light on his purchase.
If I had a parcel outside town that was suitable for an orchard or other crop, I'd plant it, and spend plenty of time in the local hardware store and farm supply, asking questions and spreading a little money around the local merchants. I'd invite my neighbors into my little plain house so they could see I don't own diddly-squat except some second-hand furniture and a crappy old TV. And I'd leave my door open so anyone could see for themselves I've got very little worth taking.
I'd have my tools, of course; but they're scattered around and old and battered by use; they're not shiny and new and expensive-looking, and they're not stored all nice and clean in a box some thief could lift. They're hung on old nails, or in the closet, and in the shed; a thief would have to spend a lot of time searching the entire place, and with my neighbors looking out for me, the thief is short of the most important advantage he has, which is time.
If somebody's desperate enough or dumb enough to steal my old handsaw, I'll buy another old one at a local swap meet. (Since I own three anyway, it's unlikely anyone would steal all three because they're not kept together.)
My valuable things, like the water filter, are kept hidden amidst all the low-value junk I keep around to send the message there's nothing worth looking at. The safest things to own are those which are visibly low-value, surrounded by lots of other mostly worthless stuff.
I'd claim a spot in the community garden, or hire a neighbor to till up my back yard, and I'd plant chard and beans and whatever else my neighbors suggested grew well locally. I'd give away most of what I grew, or barter it, or maybe sell some at the farmer's market. It wouldn't matter how little I had to sell, or how much I sold; what mattered was meeting other like-minded souls and swapping tips and edibles.
If I didn't have a practical skill, I'd devote myself to learning one. If anyone asked me, I'd suggest saw sharpening and beer-making. You're legally entitled to make quite a bit of beer for yourself, and a decent homebrew is always welcome by those who drink beer. It's tricky, and your first batches may blow up or go flat, but when you finally get a good batch you'll be very popular and well-appreciated if you're of the mind to share.
Saw-sharpening just takes patience and a simple jig; you don't need to learn a lot, like a craftsman, but you'll have a skill you can swap with craftsmen/women. As a carpenter, I need sharp saws, and while I can do it myself, I find it tedious and would rather rebuild your front porch handrail or a chicken coop in exchange for the saw-sharpening.
Pickles are always welcome in winter, or when rations get boring; the Germans and Japanese of old lived on black bread or brown rice and pickled vegetables, with an occasional piece of dried meat or fish. Learning how to pickle is a useful and easy-to-learn craft. There are many others. If you're a techie, then volunteer to keep the network up at the local school; do it for free, and do a good job. Show you care.
Because the best protection isn't owning 30 guns; it's having 30 people who care about you. Since those 30 have other people who care about them, you actually have 300 people who are looking out for each other, including you. The second best protection isn't a big stash of stuff others want to steal; it's sharing what you have and owning little of value. That's being flexible, and common, the very opposite of creating a big fat highly visible, high-value target and trying to defend it yourself in a remote setting.
I know this runs counter to just about everything that's being recommended by others, but if you're a "hick" like me, then you know it rings true. The flatlanders are scared because they're alone and isolated; we're not scared. We've endured bad times before, and we don't need much to get by. We're not saints, but we will reciprocate to those who extend their good spirit and generosity to the community in which they live and in which they produce something of value. |
| Frigg Stuyvesant
User ID: 398933
7/26/2008 8:12 PM
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Thanks Stu......that's quite a list, and would take mucho $$$$ to acquire....I'll have to settle for a bit less...
Oh, when are you going to change that annoying avatar? I'll mail you a buck if you do...heheh Quoting: Anonymous Coward 472033
Try and think differently about it.Start by doing what you can but, start.
I have gathered many useful things for free or work/barter.
It is annoying.(avatar) |
| Mercuriel 
Finaliter
User ID: 342233
10/27/2008 4:05 AM
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Stu - Your Avatar just makes Me laugh every time I see it...
Peace, Light, Life, Love, Unity and Harmony.
Namaste,
Mercuriel |
| Frigg Stuyvesant
User ID: 504969
10/27/2008 4:55 PM
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Hope this helps some people.  |
| kalamity kool
User ID: 514005
10/28/2008 6:51 AM
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Thanks stu, its good timing
I seriously need to get some cash and buy up! |
| Redheaded Stepchild
User ID: 534338
10/28/2008 9:40 AM
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This was from a gun thread but,It made a whole lot of sense to me.
Long but worth the read.
link to www.oftwominds.com]
Charles Hugh Smith
The Art of Survival, Taoism and the Warring States
This week's theme: Survival + (June 27, 2008)
I'm not trying to be difficult, but I can't help cutting against the grain on topics like surviving the coming bad times when my experience runs counter to the standard received wisdom.
SNIP Quoting: Frigg Stuyvesant
FRIGG:
This was a great little piece. I wish you'd post it in its own thread and with a good link. Purty please?
"Until you are willing to organize your friends and neighbors and literally shut down cities - drive at 5mph through the streets of major cities on the freeway and stop commerce, refuse to show up for work, refuse to borrow and spend more than you make, show up in Washington DC with a million of your neighbors and literally shut down The Capitol you WILL be bent over the table on a daily basis." Karl Denninger
Don't blame me; I voted for Ron Paul.
Silence is consent. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 477332
10/28/2008 11:00 AM | | Re: Recession proof GLP Things that might aid you in turbulent uncertain times | Quote |
Thanks for the list but PLEASE! - get rid of the cowbell avatar! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 537170
10/28/2008 1:12 PM | | Re: Recession proof GLP Things that might aid you in turbulent uncertain times | Quote |
A still. 500 lbs of corn. 200 lbs of sugar. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 537406
10/29/2008 9:18 AM | | Re: Recession proof GLP Things that might aid you in turbulent uncertain times | Quote |
Ensure, carnation instant breakfast, PROTEIN BARS. |
| Book Worm
User ID: 480936
10/29/2008 9:51 AM | | Re: Recession proof GLP Things that might aid you in turbulent uncertain times | Quote |
I would add Alicin to the list next to colloidal silver. It's a garlic derivative and quite potent-available at some health food stores or over the net/ebay. If and when tshtf I expect a bio attack-good against bacteria and viruses-use with c.s. |
| HannibalTheCannibal
User ID: 536399
10/29/2008 9:53 AM
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SAVED!
There is NO PROFIT IN PEACE, There is NO PROPHET IN PEACE.
Resident GLP Religion HATER and PROUD Atheist.
Carl Sagan "A celibate clergy is an especially good idea, because it tends to suppress any hereditary propensity toward fanaticism."
[link to img181.imageshack.us] |
| HannibalTheCannibal
User ID: 536399
10/29/2008 10:07 AM
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Hexamine Fuel tablets are good, and those little military folding cookers, could save your life.
There is NO PROFIT IN PEACE, There is NO PROPHET IN PEACE.
Resident GLP Religion HATER and PROUD Atheist.
Carl Sagan "A celibate clergy is an especially good idea, because it tends to suppress any hereditary propensity toward fanaticism."
[link to img181.imageshack.us] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 515477
10/31/2008 7:30 AM | | Re: Recession proof GLP Things that might aid you in turbulent uncertain times | Quote |
Feel free to recommend anything I might have overlooked.
1. Generators (Good ones cost dearly. Gas storage, risky. Noisy...target of
thieves; maintenance etc.)
2. Water Filters/Purifiers
3. Portable Toilets baby wipes
4. Seasoned Firewood. Wood takes about 6 - 12 months to become dried, for home uses.
5. Lamp Oil, Wicks, Lamps (First Choice: Buy CLEAR oil. If scarce, stockpile ANY!)
6. Coleman Fuel. Impossible to stockpile too much.
7. Guns, Ammunition,cleaning suplies parts oil etc.. Pepper Spray, Knives, Clubs, Bats & Slingshots, multitools meathook etc..
8. Hand-can openers, & hand egg beaters,Ginders whisks.
9. Honey/Syrups/white, brown sugar (hard)candies,chocolate
10. Rice - Beans (sprouts)- Wheat-lentils-ALL pastas falafel mixes -nuts(all)-dried potato Flour,grits,etc..
11. Vegetable Oil shortening ,Lard, bacon grease (for cooking) Without it food burns/must be boiled etc.,)
12. Charcoal, Lighter Fluid (Will become scarce suddenly) Coal
13. Water Containers (Urgent Item to obtain.) Any size. Small: HARD CLEAR PLASTIC ONLY - note - food grade if for drinking.
16. Propane Cylinders (Urgent: Definite shortages will occur.)Lg.burner w/lg. metal pots&lids ,hot gloves
17. Survival Guide Book.(s)
18. Mantles: Aladdin, Coleman, etc. (Without this item, longer-term lighting is
difficult.)
19. Baby Supplies: Diapers/formula. ointments/aspirin, etc.
20. Washboards, Mop Bucket w/wringer (for Laundry)
21. Cookstoves (Propane, Coleman & Kerosene)
22. Vitamins
23. Propane Cylinder Handle-Holder (Urgent: Small canister use is dangerous
without this item)
24. Feminine Hygiene/Haircare/Skin products.Lg.assortment towels rags etc..
25. Thermal underwear (Tops & Bottoms)multiples
26. Bow saws, axes and hatchets, Wedges splitting Mauls (also, honing oil)Shovels & rakes
27. Aluminum Foil Reg. & Heavy Duty (Great Cooking and Barter Item)
28. Gasoline Containers (Plastic & Metal)
29. Garbage Bags (Impossible To Have Too Many).
30. Toilet Paper, Kleenex, Paper Towels
31. Games,cards,sturdy toys etc.
32. High quality camping/ outdooring essentials
33. Cast iron cookware and decent cutlery w/ cutting boards
34. basic fishing tackle
35. Wood stoves cook/heat
36. Tobacco / smokables? (barter)
37. Ropes/cordage- innumerable uses
38. magnifying glass(fire starting)or close inspection
39. crowbars prybars(sm. to lg.)
40. Alcohol to barter or drown sorrows
41. Books -comics jokebooks, Bibles, religious, How-To etc..
42. Musical instruments and strings accesories etc..
43. Sturdy Boots(absolutely)really warm coats, rain gear.Wool clothes hats gloves .Galoshes
44. Dried milk,evaporated milk condensed etc..ensure,infamil etc..geriatric or baby foods
45. SPAM or other potted meats
46. Canned fish Tuna Salmon Sardines Haddock white fish etc..
47. Blankets(Wool) have plenty.
48. Canned Foods- fruits vegetables beans cheese etc..as much as possible
49. Writing materials pencils,etc..
50. Tarpaulins lg.Canvases etc.
51. First aid supplies-the best you can muster(alcohol,antibiotic cream,bug dope,sunscreen,burns(aloevera,etc.),Eye treatment,pain killers etc..think..)
52. Power converters DC to AC. several if possible
53. Solar panels(if possible)to recharge DC power sources or car battery
54. Deep cycle batteries
55. Bicycle- Free Transpo good.
56. Fire protection, extinguishers etc.
57. Rechargeable Batteries and Charging units
58. Coffees and teas.steepable roots etc..
59. Boullion(chicken beef etc.)
60. Hand Tools-you can NEVER have too many..(start with the basics)lumber nails,screws
61. Basic Automotive repair/maintainance tools .manuals to your cars etc..
62. Pickle/Paint buckets w/lids and handles. storage,Water hauling,emergency toilet etc..
63. Insulated food coolers(assorted)
64. White/Blue tip matches w/waterproof container,Bookmatches etc..Lots
65. Colloidal silver generator (antibacterial,etc.)
66. Hand or foot operated water(well) and air siphon/pump.portable air tank
67. Bleach(too many uses to list)sanitization etc..
68. Candles/ candle making kit
69. Seeds you name it..
70. Fermentation jugs and distilling gear, To make fermented products( Wink Wink!)
71. Bow or crossbow and arrows(bolts)xtra bow string
72.
Plaigerized from my list and ammended
Top 100 Items To Likey Disappear First
1. Generators (Good ones cost dearly. Gas storage, risky. Noisy...target of thieves; maintenance etc.)
2. Water Filters/Purifiers
3. Portable Toilets
4. Seasoned Firewood. Wood takes about 6 - 12 months to become dried, for home uses.
5. Lamp Oil, Wicks, Lamps (First Choice: Buy CLEAR oil. If scarce, stockpile ANY!)
6. Coleman Fuel. Impossible to stockpile too much.
7. Guns, Ammunition, Pepper Spray, Knives, Clubs, Bats & Slingshots.
8. Hand-can openers, & hand egg beaters, whisks.
9. Honey/Syrups/white, brown sugar
10. Rice - Beans - Wheat
11. Vegetable Oil (for cooking) Without it food burns/must be boiled etc.,)
12. Charcoal, Lighter Fluid (Will become scarce suddenly)
13. Water Containers (Urgent Item to obtain.) Any size. Small: HARD CLEAR PLASTIC ONLY - note - food grade if for drinking.
16. Propane Cylinders (Urgent: Definite shortages will occur.)
17. Survival Guide Book.
18. Mantles: Aladdin, Coleman, etc. (Without this item, longer-term lighting is difficult.)
19. Baby Supplies: Diapers/formula. ointments/aspirin, etc.
20. Washboards, Mop Bucket w/wringer (for Laundry)
21. Cookstoves (Propane, Coleman & Kerosene)
22. Vitamins
23. Propane Cylinder Handle-Holder (Urgent: Small canister use is dangerous without this item)
24. Feminine Hygiene/Haircare/Skin products.
25. Thermal underwear (Tops & Bottoms)
26. Bow saws, axes and hatchets, Wedges (also, honing oil)
27. Aluminum Foil Reg. & Heavy Duty (Great Cooking and Barter Item)
28. Gasoline Containers (Plastic & Metal)
29. Garbage Bags (Impossible To Have Too Many).
30. Toilet Paper, Kleenex, Paper Towels
31. Milk - Powdered & Condensed (Shake Liquid every 3 to 4 months)
32. Garden Seeds (Non-Hybrid) (A MUST)
33. Clothes pins/line/hangers (A MUST)
34. Coleman's Pump Repair Kit
35. Tuna Fish (in oil)
36. Fire Extinguishers (or..large box of Baking Soda in every room)
37. First aid kits
38. Batteries (all sizes...buy furthest-out for Expiration Dates)
39. Garlic, spices & vinegar, baking supplies
40. Big Dogs (and plenty of dog food)
41. Flour, yeast & salt
42. Matches. {"Strike Anywhere" preferred.) Boxed, wooden matches will go first
43. Writing paper/pads/pencils, solar calculators
44. Insulated ice chests (good for keeping items from freezing in Wintertime.)
45. Workboots, belts, Levis & durable shirts
46. Flashlights/LIGHTSTICKS & torches, "No. 76 Dietz" Lanterns
47. Journals, Diaries & Scrapbooks (jot down ideas, feelings, experience; Historic Times)
48. Garbage cans Plastic (great for storage, water, transporting - if with wheels)
49. Men's Hygiene: Shampoo, Toothbrush/paste, Mouthwash/floss, nail clippers, etc
50. Cast iron cookware (sturdy, efficient)
51. Fishing supplies/tools
52. Mosquito coils/repellent, sprays/creams
53. Duct Tape
54. Tarps/stakes/twine/nails/rope/spikes
55. Candles
56. Laundry Detergent (liquid)
57. Backpacks, Duffel Bags
58. Garden tools & supplies
59. Scissors, fabrics & sewing supplies
60. Canned Fruits, Veggies, Soups, stews, etc.
61. Bleach (plain, NOT scented: 4 to 6% sodium hypochlorite)
62. Canning supplies, (Jars/lids/wax)
63. Knives & Sharpening tools: files, stones, steel
64. Bicycles...Tires/tubes/pumps/chains, etc
65. Sleeping Bags & blankets/pillows/mats
66. Carbon Monoxide Alarm (battery powered)
67. Board Games, Cards, Dice
68. d-con Rat poison, MOUSE PRUFE II, Roach Killer
69. Mousetraps, Ant traps & cockroach magnets
70. Paper plates/cups/utensils (stock up, folks)
71. Baby wipes, oils, waterless & Antibacterial soap (saves a lot of water)
72. Rain gear, rubberized boots, etc.
73. Shaving supplies (razors & creams, talc, after shave)
74. Hand pumps & siphons (for water and for fuels)
75. Soysauce, vinegar, bullions/gravy/soupbase
76. Reading glasses
77. Chocolate/Cocoa/Tang/Punch (water enhancers)
78. "Survival-in-a-Can"
79. Woolen clothing, scarves/ear-muffs/mittens
80. Boy Scout Handbook, / also Leaders Catalog
81. Roll-on Window Insulation Kit (MANCO)
82. Graham crackers, saltines, pretzels, Trail mix/Jerky
83. Popcorn, Peanut Butter, Nuts
84. Socks, Underwear, T-shirts, etc. (extras)
85. Lumber (all types)
86. Wagons & carts (for transport to and from)
87. Cots & Inflatable mattress's
88. Gloves: Work/warming/gardening, etc.
89. Lantern Hangers
90. Screen Patches, glue, nails, screws,, nuts & bolts
91. Teas
92. Coffee
93. Cigarettes
94. Wine/Liquors (for bribes, medicinal, etc,)
95. Paraffin wax
96. Glue, nails, nuts, bolts, screws, etc.
97. Chewing gum/candies
98. Atomizers (for cooling/bathing)
99. Hats & cotton neckerchiefs
100. Livestock
100 Items To Disappear
First In A Panic
By Joseph Almond
5-21-6
#1. Generators (Good ones cost dearly. Gas storage, risky. Noisy.. target of thieves; maintenance, etc.)
#2. Water Filters/Purifiers (Shipping delays increasing.)
#3. Portable Toilets (Increasing in price every twomonths.)
#4. Seasoned Firewood (About $100 per cord; wood takes 6 - 12 mos. to become dried, for home uses.)
#5. Lamp Oil, Wicks, Lamps (First choice: Buy CLEAR oil. If scarce, stockpile ANY!)
#6. Coleman Fuel (URGENT $2.69-$3.99/gal. Impossible to stockpile too much.)
#7. Guns, Ammunition, Pepper Spray, Knives, Clubs, Bats & Slingshots
#8. Hand-Can openers & hand egg beaters, whisks (Life savers!)
#9. Honey/Syrups/white, brown sugars
#10. Rice - Beans - Wheat (White rice is now $12.95
- 50# bag. Sam's Club, stock depleted often.)
#11. Vegetable oil (for cooking) (Without it food burns/must be boiled, etc.)
#12. Charcoal & Lighter fluid (Will become scarce suddenly.)
#13. Water containers (Urgent Item to obtain. An size. Small: HARD CLEAR PLASTIC ONLY)
#14. Mini Heater head (Propane) (Without this item, propane won't heat a room.)
#15. Grain Grinder (Non-electric)
#16. Propane Cylinders (Urgent: Definite shortages will occur by September, 1999.)
#17. Michael Hyatt's Y2K Survival Guide (BEST single y2k handbook for sound advice/tips.)
#18. Mantles: Aladdin, Coleman, etc. (Without this item, longer-term lighting is difficult.)
#19. Baby Supplies: Diapers/formula/ointments/aspirin, etc
#20. Washboards, Mop Bucket w/wringer (for Laundry)
#21. Cookstoves (Propane, Coleman & Kerosene)
#22. Vitamins (Critical, due 10 Y2K-forced daily canned food diets.)
#23. Propane Cylinder Handle-Holder (Urgent: Small canister use is dangerous without this item.)
#24. Feminine Hygiene/Haircare/Skin products
#25. Thermal underwear (Tops and bottoms)
#26. Bow saws, axes and hatchets & Wedges (also, honing oil)
#27. Aluminum foil Reg. & Hvy. Duty (Great Cooking & Barter item)
#28. Gasoline containers (Plastic or Metal)
#29. Garbage bags (Impossible to have too many.)
#30. Toilet Paper, Kleenex, paper towels
#31. Milk - Powdered & Condensed (Shake liquid every 3 to 4 months.)
#32. Garden seeds (Non-hybrid) (A MUST)
#33. Clothes pins/line/hangers (A MUST)
#34. Coleman's Pump Repair Kit: 1(800) 835-3278
#35. Tuna Fish (in oil)
#36. Fire extinguishers (or.. large box of Baking soda in every room...)
#37. First aid kits
#38. Batteries (all sizes... buy furthest-out for Expiration Dates)
#39. Garlic, spices & vinegar, baking supplies
#40. BIG DOGS (and plenty of dog food)
#41. Flour, yeast & salt
#42. Matches (3 box/$1 .44 at WalMart: "Strike Anywhere" preferred. Boxed, wooden matches will go first.)
#43. Writing paper/pads/pencils/solar calculators
#44. Insulated ice chests (good for keeping items from freezing in Wintertime)
#45. Workboots, belts, Levis & durable shirts
#46. Flashlights/LIGIITSTICKS & torches, "No. 76 Dietz" Lanterns
#47. Journals, Diaries & Scrapbooks (Jot down ideas, feelings, experiences: Historic times!)
#48. Garbage cans Plastic (great for storage, water transporting - if with wheels)
#49. Men's Hygiene: Shampoo, Toothbrush/paste, Mouthwash/floss, nail clippers, etc
#50. Cast iron cookware (sturdy, efficient)
#51. Fishing supplies/tools
#52. Mosquito coils/repellent sprays/creams
#53. Duct tape
#54. Tarps/stakes/twine/nails/rope/spikes
#55. Candles
#56. Laundry detergent (Liquid)
#57. Backpacks & Duffle bags
#58. Garden tools & supplies
#59. Scissors, fabrics & sewing supplies
#60. Canned Fruits, Veggies, Soups, stews, etc.
#61. Bleach (plain, NOT scented: 4 to 6% sodium hypochlorite)
#62. Canning supplies (Jars/lids/wax)
#63. Knives & Sharpening tools: files, stones, steel
#64. Bicycles... Tires/tubes/pumps/chains, etc.
#65. Sleeping bags & blankets/pillows/mats
#66. Carbon Monoxide Alarm (battery powered)
#67. Board Games Cards, Dice
#68. d-Con Rat poison, MOUSE PRUFE II, Roach Killer
#69. Mousetraps, Ant traps & cockroach magnets
#70. Paper plates/cups/utensils (stock up, folks...)
#71. Baby Wipes, diapers, tampons, oils, waterless & Anti-bacterial soap (saves a lot of water)
#72. Rain gear, rubberized boots, etc.
#73. Shaving supplies (razors & creams, talc, after shave)
#74. Hand pumps & siphons (for water and for fuels)
#75. Soysauce, vinegar, boullions/gravy/soup base
#76. Reading glasses
#77. Chocolate/Cocoa/Tang/Punch (water enhancers)
#78. "Survival-in-a-Can"
#79. Woolen clothing, scarves/ear-muffs/mittens
#80. BSA - New 1998 - Boy Scout Handbook (also, Leader's Catalog)
#81. Roll-on Window Insulation Kit (MANCO)
#82. Graham crackers, saltines, pretzels, Trail mix/Jerky
#83. Popcorn, Peanut Butter, Nuts
#84. Socks, Underwear, T-shirts, etc. (extras)
#85. Lumber (all types)
#86. Wagons & carts (for transport to & from open Flea markets)
#87. Cots & Inflatable mattresses (for extra guests)
#88. Gloves: Work/warming/gardening, etc.
#89. Lantern Hangers
#90. Screen Patches, glue, nails, screws, nuts & bolts
#91. Teas
#92. Coffee
#93. Cigarettes
#94. Wine/Liquors (for bribes, medicinal, etc.)
#95. Paraffin wax
#96. Glue, nails, nuts, bolts, screws, etc.
#97. Chewing gum/candies
#98. Atomizers (for cooling/bathing)
#99. Hats & cotton neckerchiefs
#100. Goats/chickens Quoting: Frigg Stuyvesant |
| anonymous
User ID: 540675
11/2/2008 6:11 AM | | Re: Recession proof GLP Things that might aid you in turbulent uncertain times | Quote |
Thanks Stu......that's quite a list, and would take mucho $$$$ to acquire....I'll have to settle for a bit less...
Oh, when are you going to change that annoying avatar? I'll mail you a buck if you do...heheh Quoting: Anonymous Coward 472033
do not cook the whole fresh garlic ....good list..heat soup first then drop in to ALREADY HEATED BOWL OF SOUP 2 (whole) peeled fresh clove of garlic "uncooked" and teaspoon olive oil stir and eat all contents includng garlic ..you breathe good without antihistamines during colds flu .hot soup twice daily for flu .....never forget to keep a little fresh whole fresh cloves of garlic around .and olive oil ..grow garlic in your back yard if possible .. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 540690
11/2/2008 6:26 AM | | Re: Recession proof GLP Things that might aid you in turbulent uncertain times | Quote |
re things to disappear ,how does that work are you a fuck'n magician or just some moron |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 503187
11/3/2008 7:37 AM | | Re: Recession proof GLP Things that might aid you in turbulent uncertain times | Quote |
re things to disappear ,how does that work are you a fuck'n magician or just some moron Quoting: Anonymous Coward 540690 |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 536224
11/3/2008 8:30 AM | | Re: Recession proof GLP Things that might aid you in turbulent uncertain times | Quote |
thing is, it's been turbulent. what is coming now is hurricane cat11 force. it a blow all planning away. all that will be able to stand in it will be a soul with a true heart...all bs will be blown away, and we see what remains. this is the big one. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 73794
11/3/2008 1:29 PM | | Re: Recession proof GLP Things that might aid you in turbulent uncertain times | Quote |
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| Omega
User ID: 340280
11/3/2008 2:42 PM | | Re: Recession proof GLP Things that might aid you in turbulent uncertain times | Quote |
Handguns are a skill; shotguns an art; rifles a science.
_____________________________________
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on whats for dinner.
Disarmament is the precursor to Genocide.
Better to take action now rather than chances later. Your choice. |
| Jerry Fletcher
User ID: 528739
11/4/2008 3:31 PM | | Re: Recession proof GLP Things that might aid you in turbulent uncertain times | Quote |
we are there |
| Frigg Stuyvesant
User ID: 504969
11/5/2008 6:38 AM
| | Re: Recession proof GLP Things that might aid you in turbulent uncertain times | Quote |
He ASWAD why do you spam my posts? What does it benefit?
asdasdw@sdsdo.com
User ID: 543394
Find someone else to pick on.Did I wrong you or somethin'?
Time to get it together everyone.If you never have to put these to the test you can thank me later. I believe you will however... |
| Frigg Stuyvesant
User ID: 504969
11/5/2008 8:49 AM
| | Re: Recession proof GLP Things that might aid you in turbulent uncertain times | Quote |
Great....Just great.
I've been Spambushed on GLP!
I think I just coined a new phrase..cool |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 511031
11/5/2008 10:06 AM | | Re: Recession proof GLP Things that might aid you in turbulent uncertain times | Quote |
Friends. And to keep from being run off it is best to marry in to the local clan.
Insurance. Don't bother buying an alarm system because it will be stolen
The locals think that since they grew up on the land it is theirs, especially if the last owner let them go wherever they wanted to. They don't recognize new owners, even if those owners have owned the land for more than 40 years, they think the land is still theirs and call it "grandfather rights".
They break in and make a mess. They steal things that make life easier, things like the kitchen sink, wood stove, pipe for the stove, gas stove, refrigerator, electric stove, the tub, any metal shelving, the water pump, any vehicles, the tractor, the oil well pump and huge tanks, cement block, cement, the cement mixer, any firewood, in short anything you might think of as valuable. They come right in with a roll-back and just load it up. The sheriff can't or won't do anything because they say the owners told them to clean up the place because they are going to sell and move to the suburbs. Remember most likely the sheriff is part of the good-old-boy network.
When you leave your house, the locals come right in the driveway, they watch you leave. When you come back, one neighbor tells the other to their friends who broke in to the house to leave right way.
If you are a problem, they will say you are crazy and then even if you do call the local law enforcement they will not come, because you are a crazy person. You might make complaints, but they won't be investigated because you are a crazy person.
The locals will do everything in their power to force you out. They won't drop by to ask for your generator, they will simply take it and any sort of metal that can be sold to the scrap yard. Even if it is a rusty water pump that hasn't worked and won't work, because it is worth 25 cents a pound. The only thing that slows them down is to pile large trees in the front yard to keep them from driving up to the back of the house, where their truck won't be seen. A locked cable across the drive does keep them from driving up the driveway, but of course they just hop the cable and come right on in.
Don't bother installing new wiring in the house, because you know copper fetches a good price. The cars can be sold without a title they are brought to a smaller junk yard, then from there they go to the larger scrap yard. Your nice tractor is probably driven through the woods, goes in someone's barn, perhaps out of the county, and is never seen again. No one noticed it going down the road because tractors are commonly seen on the road.
So, if you do choose to stock up on the many items described in the opening piece, consider setting up a barter store. And don't sell ammo. |
| Frigg Stuyvesant
User ID: 504969
11/5/2008 10:30 AM
| | Re: Recession proof GLP Things that might aid you in turbulent uncertain times | Quote |
So, if you do choose to stock up on the many items described in the opening piece, consider setting up a barter store. And don't sell ammo. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 511031
You are so right.I have seen the exact same many many times.
Hunker down and guard your shit.If they bust in Blast em'! |
| Omega
User ID: 359754
11/5/2008 10:32 AM | | Re: Recession proof GLP Things that might aid you in turbulent uncertain times | Quote |
Take it to the next level folks. Now.
Handguns are a skill; shotguns an art; rifles a science.
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Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on whats for dinner.
Disarmament is the precursor to Genocide.
Better to take action now rather than chances later. Your choice. |
| Frigg Stuyvesant
User ID: 504969
11/5/2008 1:20 PM
| | Re: Recession proof GLP Things that might aid you in turbulent uncertain times | Quote |
Take it to the next level folks. Now. Quoting: Omega
Listen to the man.He is right.
Whether you think we are nutters or not start NOW!! If you haven't already.
Do you care about your loved ones?
Then get on the Goddamn stick.
If for no other reason.
My father was in a concentration camp in Nazi Germany.He was a German citizen...German o.k.? Those bastards ran amok on anyone not just Jews.It happened in the blink of an eye just when everyone thought their "saviour" could do no wrong.He left the country in smouldering ashes and ruins.Ask any European who still remembers.NO ONE saw it coming.We are poised for another go at it.
Never give up your guns EVER.It could be the last mistake you ever make.The Nazis confiscated all the guns they could and look what happened.When they came for my family they took the head of the manor(my Grandfather)out in front of his own house in front of the whole family and put a bullet in the back of his head.Then threw everyone else in camps.Confiscated everything they owned(land farms etc..)and the family never got a thing given back after the war.
Just be ready, for the love of God and anything else you value or love.
When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.
When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.
When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.
When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I was not a Jew.
When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.
Never underestimate the power of the deadly sins.Or your own conceited apathy. |
| Nada Khazar
User ID: 224132
11/5/2008 1:23 PM | | Re: Recession proof GLP Things that might aid you in turbulent uncertain times | Quote |
A still. 500 lbs of corn. 200 lbs of sugar. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 537170
Great plan, if you know bow to operate without being caught.
Did you know that moonshining is what gave birth to stock car racing?
Can you drive at that level? Are you good at hiding stuff |
| Frigg Stuyvesant
User ID: 504969
11/5/2008 5:03 PM
| | Re: Recession proof GLP Things that might aid you in turbulent uncertain times | Quote |
A still. 500 lbs of corn. 200 lbs of sugar.
Great plan, if you know bow to operate without being caught.
Did you know that moonshining is what gave birth to stock car racing?
Can you drive at that level? Are you good at hiding stuff Quoting: Nada Khazar 224132
A still would be very good indeed ...hiccup! |
| Frigg Stuyvesant
User ID: 504969
11/6/2008 6:05 AM
| | Re: Recession proof GLP Things that might aid you in turbulent uncertain times | Quote |
CRAAAAAAAP!!!! |
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