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| The Starbuckian 
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11/6/2008 8:55 AM
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Frigg, could be spam is aswad's way of bumping the thread, maybe there is the thought that Nancy Leider is associated with it. Either we can ignore it and hopefully the mods will ban the associated IP address. After all, they did remove the offensive posts before reposting the thread after it was deleted, the thing is the person posting the spurious information can do it because they choose to be a smart-ass. The other thing that could be tried is to rename the thread to encompass the whole of our discussion which covers more than just the things you first started discussing. Perhaps mix up the title to designate these uncertain turbulent times.
Religion is 100% reusable.
"Good Queen Sarah, protect us from the Black Dog King"
- from the play, Dissocia |
| Frigg Stuyvesant
User ID: 504969
11/8/2008 11:24 AM
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It looks like it(spam bot) has been resolved.Awesome!
Dr.Postman is on the ball.Kudos to yudos!
Back on topic...
Water purification with sodium hypochlorite (5.25-6%) unscented bleach=
2 drops per clear quart
4 drops per cloudy quart
8 drops per clear gallon (1/8 tsp)
16 drops per cloudy gallon (1/4 tsp)
1/2 tsp per 5 clear gallons (2.5 ml)
1 tsp per 5 cloudy gallons (5 ml)
Tents that stay up and exposed the sun for months on end tend to get UV damage, then dry rot, then they tear. Solution: not only put a tarp under them for ground object penetration protection and water seepage protection, also put another tarp a few inches over the tent (but not resting on it) for shade, and to absorb the UV and create an air insulation barrier/tarp radiation zone above the tent itself. These tarps are cheap sacrificial items that can be periodically renewed. A blue tarp stretched out continuously in the South could fail within 3 months.
Some people buy cheap fish antibiotics from pet stores such as PetsMart. No prescription needed.
. and extra's to trade... we ordered 3 more C40 charge controllers for extra's for our solar setup, as well as a few more inverters...
BTW an old UPS makes a fin emergency inverter and they can be had FOR FREE, as most idiots throw them away when the batteries go bad.
most in the 400 to 800 watt range run on 12vdc...
900 to 1400 watt use 24vdc and the 2000 watt and about use 48vdc...
never EVER throw away an old UPS because the batts are bad... save them for emergency power generation.
golf Cart batteries are cheap and easy to come by, even used ones can be had for next to nothing...
most of the golfers get their batts swapped when the performance drops off... all you have to do is add some edta to clean the sulfate off, put it on a PWM de-sulfator charger for a few days and then pour the old sulfuric out and put in new...
cheap, easy and FREE
and the going price for new inverters is about 80 to 100 bucks for 1000 watter...
We are also going to add a few more inverters to our barter stash...
just be sure and also put in some good 100 to 200 amp fuses, as they are hard to come by and are not common.
In a pinch you can parallel a pile of 30 or 40 amp automotive fuses, the blade types are pretty cheap and common at most auto stores and the external holders are only a few bucks.
a few PERKO marine type battery switches are also needed to disconnect the batterys.
cool thing about a battery setup, is you can charge if from a genny or solar and then use the energy at night..
most freezers use 500 to 1000 watts so a 1000 to 2000 watt inverter will keep your food frozen and CAN be run off an automotive altenator...
enigma...
If you will be powering your household with a genset, here are some things to try:
Plan on only running the generator a couple hours a day. Have a substantial battery and decent sized inverter to run home lighting, use fluorescent screw-in bulbs to lower you current use.
If your refrigerator or freezer sits in direct sunlight, move them or shade them. You can insulate around your machine, just be sure to leave air draw underneath so the compressor stays cool. Vacuum dust and clean off the compressor every so often, it will run cooler last longer.
You can probably get by with only powering your freezer and refrig for 2-3 hrs per day. Run them when you charge your battery(s). An efficient, computer type battery charger that delivers constant 40-60amps 12v will lessen your genset run time. If your genset has built-in battery charger, check the amperage it makes. Likely it is only 10amps, which is very low rate of charge. You need a powerful charging rate to efficiently use a genset to charge batteries.
Don't forget to change the crankcase oil, in the genset; especially after the first few hours. Use synthetic oil and if yours has an oil filter, you can change the filter and then just top off the oil you've lost.
All DC accessories are pretty easy to adapt to other uses. If you have a good selection of spade and torpedo connectors you can make anything work.
If you are going to transmit 12v current any distance you will need extra large gage wire. Very expensive. Even 24volt isn't that much better. 36 or 48v DC transmission really makes things easy. Trace/Xantrex makes 48v inverters that will power your whole house.
Fuel is the big drawback to running a genset. How many thousand gallons do you have? Much better to own a solar or wind charging array and a backup genset with modest fuel store.
When operating on inverter/battery, disconnect anything that draws current, like the little wall-wart converters that plug into your devices. These things, and illuminated power strips are ALWAYS drawing current. Not Good!
Two 6volt golfcart batteries in series (pos to neg jumper cable) will outperform any 12v battery and have many times more deep cycle discharges which means last for years longer.
What works really well in a tent is a portable catalytic burner heater, like Coleman blackjack. Runs on cannister propane or hook to a bulk tank. Cost about $35 and will heat a tent with a fly fairly easily and efficiently.
You might also find a Jonee hand warmer for pocket carry.
With a wall tent or heavy-duty tarp structure, you can use a variety of woodburning stoves. Many wall tents, the outfitter or military type, come with an asbestos or burn resistant panel called a smoke hole. This allows you to run a chimney pipe through the tent. You will need a cap and a spark arrestor on you pipe. Cabellas and many outfitting supply houses carry Shepherd stoves for horsetrip packing. These can accept good sized logs and can be fitted with a water-jacket to have constant hot water and a griddle top, oven, and cooling area. Can do some pretty serious cooking on one.
You can also get a 55gal drum and a barrel stove kit for bigtime heating needs. Put sand in the bottom so your logs and coals don't burn out the sheet steel. Even a cast iron woodburning heater or Franklin stove could work if you can transport it. The cheap-o box stove kits many hardware stores sell for about $150-$200 would be excellent.
If you don't have a large tent w/smoke hole, you can always rig a cookshack with tarps. Carrying a few pieces of plywood and 2x4s would enable you to frame your smokehole or even make a proper chimney. Pretty easy if you have mud and sand or some cement/mortar to rig a chimney and while your at it make a hearth or Indian-style mud oven.
Traditional Korean heating was a fire-hole in the ground with tunnels for ducting heat to other rooms, rock lined, the tunnels would stay warm. Smoke was exhausted by lower level venting.
If you have an open front tent like a Baker or tarp rigged to give an awning, you can pitch a reflector wall behind your fire to reflect heat back into your tent. The reflector is a stack of logs about 24" high positioned just back enough from the flames not to burn. You could also use a boulder or stand of rocks to reflect heat.
Heated rocks will also retain heat. In Jeremiah Johnson, Will Greer playing the old sourdough giz hunter, gets a laugh when The Pilgrim makes a firebed without putting enough dirt over the heated rocks/coals. "Saw it right off, not enough dirt". Jeremiah wakes up smoldering. If you try making a firebed, just use enough dirt.
Don't really need your tent to be warm when your sleeping. Just need to be able to get warm when you wake up and go to sleep halfway cozy. A good sleeping bag and down or polarfleece layered clothing will do a lot to assure you stay warm at all times. Socks and caps, gloves, maybe a facemask and even goggles could be invaluable.
Snow has an insulating factor you can benefit from if it is very dry snow and the region is desert low humidity. Wrap yourself in a heavy canvas tarp and find a spot under a spruce or evergreen tree. If you really need to stay warm, a plumbers candle even kept alight under a poncho will keep you pretty warm. A candle-lantern might also do the trick inside a small tent.
One last thing, put as much insulation under you as you can find. Dry grasses and weeds will prevent the ground from siphoning off your body heat. ++Be sure your fire is far enough away not to spark a fire in your insulation++ Position your camp on the leeward side of evergreen trees or bushes. Rig a windbreak with a tarp or even a length of TYVEK. Tyvek is great stuff that blocks wind like a champ and is even great for a ground cloth. There is a heavy-duty Tyvek made for road and site construction and if you were to be trying to improve a woodland site into a permanent camp, it might help your gravel or dirt not to sink into the ooze.
Covering the basics again:
You need to have shelter and warmth. Can't live long if you get pneumonia or hypothermia. Shelter from the rain and wind is Essential. Can't stay warm sleeping on cold ground, no matter how good your sleeping bag is. At -25F, even in a -40F rated synthetic sleeping bag, you will be Cold and miserable unless you have insulation from the ground.
Need to be able to have a fire or cookstove to cook meals on. Need cooking gear and cooking supplies/food/seasonings.
Need to be able to purify and filter water. Giardia, beaver-fever and parasite infestations could kill you. Water filter, personal pump type; home drip type, Gotta have something unless you will be distilling your water. Plain hypochlorite (chlorine) bleach. 8 eyedropper drops per gallon if water is clear. Pre-filter with toweling, cotton or even coffee filters/paper toweling to remove sediment and clean water as best you can BEFORE filtering or treating. Letting water stand still for a couple hours might really help a lot. Having a siphon/pump or dipper so as not to disturb the settled material will be a help. Clean 5 gal buckets will work. Maybe you can rig a big Aluminum strainer to sit over the bucket, with towel layer you pour water through? You got ideas, clean your water first, then treat or filter. Distilling is safest and purest water you can get. A steaming kettle producing steam is a crude distiller, but it will work. Just have a gathering point for the steam so the water can condense.
Clothes, durable, warm, layerable. Light colors will show stains and be recognizable at great distance. Probably want muted colors. Down is superwarm and lightweight. Polar Fleece is versatile. Nylon shell pants/jacket will keep you warm in windy conditions. Gore-Tex will keep you dry in rainy/windy situations. Gore-Tex over fleece is pretty good Winterwear. Rubber boots with warm layered socks will work in snow or mud. Pac boots with liners for very cold conditions. Gaiters will keep snow, rocks, mud out of your shoes and socks, pants. Long underwear makes great pajamas and if you choose polypropylene, will keep you warm even when soaking wet. Gloves, hats, mittens, etc etc. Don't forget a good belt and waterproofing like Sno-Seal for your leather boots and gear.
A nesting set of Revereware or Faberware can be modified to make great camp pots. Look for some candidates at a resale shop, unless you have extras at home. What you want to do is cut off the handles with a grinder or hacksaw so the pots will nest together. You can also remove the lid pullcaps and use camper-tongs to pick pots up from the campfire or cookingstove. If you want to use them as kettles with a bail handle, drill a couple holes and run a HD wire so you can suspend the pot from a pole or tripod above your cooking fire.
Castiron cookware is the best, but weighs a ton. If you can, take it. Dutch Ovens, fryingpans w/lids, griddle, and even hibachi and other cookers make heirloom quality assets.
Don't forget lots of matches, Strike-Anywhere Kitchen Matches, and other fire-making kit gear. A welding sparker is lots faster than flint & steel. A Zippo lighter and some spare flints and fluid would give you a great tool for life.
If you are interested in primitive cooking and woodsliving, I urge you to checkout Ron Hood's site and The Hoodlums Forum at survival.com. Kurt Saxon also has great info at kurtsaxon.com.
Location?
If you are geared for SURVIVAL you want to be out of harms way. If you expect nuclear war, this means in the Rogue River area of Southern Oregon, maybe No. California. There is another area in Texas along the Rio Grande, above San Antonio and South of Austin below hwy 90. Bruce Clayton published fallout pattern maps in the late 70s in his Life After Doomsday. Also had great chapter on selecting your location to avoid earthquakes, hurricanes, tornadoes and other disasters.
What you want is to be out of the line of fire. Generally, the idea is to be about 20+mi from any Interstate highway and off of the main roads. You are looking for a property that allows you some degree of self-sufficiency with security and insulation from casual troublemakers. Being in somewhat a secluded area means fewer interactions with strangers. You will have neighbors, but you will know them and most will be halfway prepared because that is what living 30mins from the grocers requires. Can't just duck into town at 5pm and pickup a rotisserie chicken for dinner if it takes you an hour and half to do a shopping trip.
You want water, preferably your own well. Firewood on your property, good garden spot and place for some chickens or animals. Want to keep your livestock close to home so they aren't poached by 4 or 2 legged varmints.
You would also benefit from a warm climate with good solar exposure to derive solar power and reduce your need to heat during the Winter.
Nice to be halfway close to a decent town, especially if terrain or natural barriers would influence metro-dwellers departing the area to go elsewhere.
Might want to assemble a few items to carry in your vehicle.
A couple of road flares might save you from a collision, and they are superb firestarters so you get dual utility from carrying them. Not going into all the things you might want for your car/truck, but a couple gallon ziploc bags of stuff stored in a bookbag/backpack could be a great comfort.
Need a FIRE KIT: Throw away lighters, couple books of matches or Strike Anywhere 'ches in a water tight container. You can buy fire-starters in Wally/Target's camping section, or buy a fireplace log and saw it into pieces. This stuff is just kerosene soaked sawdust etc, but it lights under any conditions. You can also make your own, maybe carry a plastic flask containing 40% kero, 40% veg oil, and 20% gasoline. Not too volatile, lights safely once poured onto or soaked into wood or tinder.
A gallon of water is easy to carry in your trunk or cargo area. Maybe you find a cheap wool blanket at a resale shop, and get an 8x10 tarp (or several)_ at the discounters. Toss in some rope or nylong cord and you have shelter. If you car won't run, tarps can turn it into a place to shelter or store gear.
An ice chest makes a decent storage box in your trunk, plus it has other uses. Foods like canned ham, spam, chicken, and sandwich meats, dinty-moor stews, canned veges, and freeze-dried camp meals (Wally/Target) give you something to work with.
Depending on where you live/where you're traveling and what gear you already own; once you begin thinking about what your needs are you can alter your take-alongs.
A spare 5 gals of fuel might make all the difference. Maybe you carry a gun from time to time. Spare ammo in the turnk?
Outerwear like boots and raingear, warm jackets could be a lifesaver. How many people set out in cold weather relying entirely on their vehicle heater? Gloves can be critical if you expect to work on your car or gather materials etc.
If you carry a set of snowchains, real chain type/not cables, you can go just about anywhere. Chains work great in the mud or snow, just have to drive slow. All sorts of gear you can carry, but what will you use?
Maybe begin assembling a kit now? Add things like binoculars, compass and variety of maps, fire kit, food, water, some clothing etc. Keep a blanket or tarps/tent in your vehicle, maybe a portable radio, maybe a CB radio?
Anyway, not a bad idea to carry gear especially if you travel in Wintry conditions or out past the suburbs.
I made a solar cooker with a wire & cloth fold-up reflective windshield sun screen, an oven bag, and a black-painted mess kit.
It works great in full sunlight. The food gets heated to about 350F, so hot that I have to let it cool down before I can eat it.
And it folds up tightly so I can easily pack it into my rucksack without problems.
I knocked out a sinus infection easily with alicin. Alicin is a concentrate of the active antimicrobial agent in garlic. I took 2 pills 3X a day for ten days though I was feeling fine in about 2-3 days. It's available on ebay and various locations on the net.
Just an observation about what is coming down-I suspect that a shortage of resources will lead to a race wars. If you live in an area where your seriously out numbered you may want to start thinking about where might be friendlier. People quickly become irrational. Immagine if you lived in a black area as a white guy and shot a black burgler durring hard times-I'd be willing to bet the situation would be amplified a thousand times over and racist sentaments would escalate like gas on a fire. Contrary to popular belief few people are all that racially tolerent, and what ever illusions that we have would quickly break down in the reality of a life and death struggle for survival. If you do have to shoot someone it would be wise to get rid of the body as discretely as possible. A human body would need to be burried at least 4-5 feet deep to keep the decomposition smell to a minimum. It's also advisable as a general practice not to take prisoners or hostages for obvious reasons.
As an adendum it's entirely possible that Uncle Screw You will instigate racial tensions as a ploy to weaken the population for take over. I believe that intelligent cooperation and understanding is generally speaking the best option. Do not stand for betrayal. This quality is running rampant amongst the population now, cast out from your midst those who would betray you, or who are to emotionally weak to be of use (not talking about kids here-some guys are panty wasted and won't fire at the enemy if under attack)-shootem or castem out, if you do the latter they may well still betray you to a group who would want what you have-maybe even get you ambushed. Don't tolerate cowards in your midst!
Learn how to build rocket stove and five brick stoves-tutorials on ebay. They are amazing stoves. When hunting locate the acorn trees-this is an important natural food source for deer and squirrel. Learn to garden! Several layers of news paper weighted down with wood chips will do wonders to keep the weeds and or grass down after you till or spade the ground (learned this the hard way). It's not too late to get a roll of commercial ground cover if you intend to till. Cooperation equates to survival strife ends life. Look on ebay for weed covering. Bought a three thousand square ft. roll for less than I got a several hundred sq. ft. roll at Lowes Hdwr. Some seeds will grow right out of the bag-a lot of popcorns and beans etc. Find out what foods are grown in your area and what nutrients they like also what pests to look out for and what you can do about it. You can get a head start growing by making a mini greenhouse. Dog food is cheap and in a real emergency you can eat it or give it to the acceptable traveler if need be.
Don't forget, of course, crank lantern/radio (should there be anything being broadcast), at least two, plenty of candles and duct tape.
If you have animals, canned food for them as well. My cats have a diet of dry food, but I keep about two large bags on hand and rotate them when I buy more to keep them fresh, but although I don't like feeding them canned, I will as I won't have to worry about it going bad.
Also, I have all my canned veggies, fruit and meats organized, so when I shop, I take from the front, put that in my pantry and add what I buy to the back. I knows canned food will last for several years, but I do it anyway.
If you hunt, you can also can meat. This year we have canned alot of deer as opposed to freezing it. Cook it in the pressure cooker for about 90 mins first.
My next door neighbor and I think alike so we have a plan and there are some things she stocks more of and other that I stock. And since she lives closer to where my kids go to school and it is quicker for her to get them from there from where we live than it is for me from work, she has permission to pick them up. You may want to work something out with a neighbor who is like minded as well. A smoker for cooking meat is good too.
Funny, my boyfriend has been making fun of my "Armageddon stash" for a good while, now I keep finding things added to it! LOL!
Boot Camp 101
The WHOLE deal is mental...
Survival is in breath...
If you, by some grave misfortune, find yourselves alone, unarmed, no supplies, possibly on the run from electronic and other survelliance, how will you survive?
Physical survival is the easy bit.
Psychological distress is the killer.
Pain can be subjugated by blocking it out...takes practice.
Cold can be subjugated by 'thinking warm', but real world measures include a good beanie, the head can lose up to 50% body heat.
Gloves too are an essential item to enable manual dexterity to remain at peak.
Boots...lace up, ankle support, waterproof.
You may need to hide your thermal signature, keep beside objects with a high thermal mass.
Barns always were and will remain safe refuges, as are field ditches, blackbery thickets and any vegetative areas.
If travelling in stealth overland it is wise to cross the terrain in a deviation manner. Avoid well known thourough fares.
Rivers afford many nooks and crevices to rest in, as the banks are often eroded. Crossing rivers and alternating sides will lessen your chances of capture should hounds be used.
Body language adaptation is your BEST disguise.
Cock up a shoulder, stoop a fraction, affect a limp, who are you now? Somebody 'they' are not looking for.
Keep a glowing cinder(s) in a tin, collect dry kindling as you walk.
Remember the devastating effects of the windchill factor, sometimes stuffing your outer garments with foilage will assist in lessening thermal exposure.
Keep on the lee side of prevailing winds.
Take only the bare neccessities.
Several reasons for this; 1 Ease of mobility
2Less clutter requires less thought
3Too much is too tiring will compromise your every move.
If you think "oh no, I can take that and that and that, then go grab a 5 gallon drum and fill it up and lug it up and down your street imagining it is for real and you have 1/4 mile to get to cover...can you do it?
Travel light.
Socks, as silly as it sounds, are the key to your comfort, wellbeing, and perhaps survival.
Longer the better, double as a tourniquet, gives one the ability to tie, lash, suspend.
Socks may be used as an elementary filter body, just add charcoal and sand.
Your feet are now the Chev, look after them as you would the car...
Fear is the ultimate danger.
Irrational decisions and knee jerk reactions are a no go zone.
Think through the possibilities, the probabilities, the likely outcomes, the bizzarre, the unexpected.
Try to analyze the WHOLE spectrum of alternative scenerios before making a move.
Above all, whether you find yourself at home, with no doom, or at large, dispersed through the vastness of our great world, remember, positivity.
If cold; think warm
If scared; think safe
If angered; think peace
A thicket of scrub can be cleared in the centre and the tops of the scrub gathered forth to make a rudimentary teepee like shelter/windbreak.
Mud daubed over the structure, reinforced with grasses, may provide rain shelter.
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| Anonymous Coward
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11/8/2008 11:31 AM | | Re: Recession proof GLP Things that might aid you in turbulent uncertain times | Quote |
Great info OP but, please, get rid of that cowbell! |
| Frigg Stuyvesant
User ID: 504969
11/8/2008 11:36 AM
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Sorry so long but it needs to be for better clarity and range.
op these are good tips..applecider venigar half water half applecider venigar gargle with it.kills strep throat..use it full strenght on staph infection on skin..wash area with it and then reapply full stregnth then cover wound..2 or 3 times a day..crannberry juice 12 ounch bottle add 1 tablespoon applecider venigar to it and drink it down...do this 2 or 3 times a day for bladder infections and also during colds or flu...it makes germs pass out of the body they cannot stick to to blladder walls and continue to infect you....the venigar kills fungus in blood stream that keep you infected...nature makes the best cures. your body cannot build up immunity to natural cures..yea...
If you are too sick to feel like preparing herbs, it might be good to have some antibiotics around.
Cephelaxin is used for wounds, urinary infections, ear infections, etc.
Amoxycillin is an "all around" antibiotic, used quite a bit.
Cephelaxin can be bought without a prescription for your fish. It's called Fish Flex.
Amoxycillin can also be bought without a prescription for your pets. It's called Fish Mox.
I've heard of many people taking these drugs, and saying they're the same as the human drugs, but it might be illegal,so I wouldn't advise it.
Get a pencil or pen and squeeze it real hard with your upper fingers--as close to the tip as possible. This will numb the teeth and jaw. You will need to work those reflexes for some time to be effective.
Rinsing with warm salt water, the saltier the better, works a lot of the time. So does rinsing with H2O2 (the standard drugstore kind) with an equal amount of H2O.
Since this is a pulled tooth and therefore a temporary problem, just take some tylenol or ibuprophen or naproxen.
Those of you with cavities or abcess pain might get relief from raw garlic applied to the tooth (ouch! It'll hurt!!) for as long as you can stand so as to kill any bacteria, then dissolve some citric acid in water (at least 2000 mg) and consume it throughout the day, say 1/2 cup every two hours. This will give you a continuous dose of vitamin C. Be sure to rinse your mouth with water into which you've dissolved a bit of baking soda. This will neutralize the ph.
A tea made from goldenseal powder, myrrh gum, horsetail, sage,cayenne and valerian or hops will give you antiseptic, pain relieving, and sedative properties.
If you must take commercial pain relievers, take the smallest possible dose--break tablets in half.
When I was a boy every year my father would make a cough medicine. It was also great for sore throat. He would take peppermint candy (made from the real Peppermint) Honey, and whiskey and mix it. WE were six kids, so he made it in a big mason Jar, the mixture would be shaken until the candy dissolve, so each kid had to shake it until their arms got tired (we hated makeing it lol) but once the candy melted it was placed in the Fridge and was used all year, It was excellent, The alcohol , mint, and honey all have medicinal qualities but the honey made it stick to the back of the throat where it was needed. Now days getting 'real' peppermint is a little more difficult but its still around. Hope you get to feeling better.
(Another process is just to take sugar and pour it over onion and garlic let it sit until a syrup develops, and take the syrup. IT to holds the medicine from the onion and garlic to the back of the throat)
If we listen to Craig Oxley on his Vatican Queen audio upon here we will hear him speak very highly of Boneset. Boneset is from the same family as the Echinacea plant. It does the same job as Echinacea except it also heats up the body. This in turn raises the speed of the white blood cells. Dr Richard Schulze and Christopher have highlighted how the higher the temperature the more the white blood cells move. Each degree after a certain level that raises makes a dramatic difference in speed of the white cell. Boneset can bring on a fever if its over done. A very powerful herb that everyone should have around them. The only problem is that like Craig says, most herbs sold on the net and stores are useless. So try to source a good supplier and organic herbs which far outstrip any in-organic. This is obviously reflected in the pricing of course. You also have the likes of Coptis Chenesis which is a cheaper alternative to Goldenseal. Both excellent herbs and they have their own uniqness.
There is so much useful, free information on the internet, (I suspect will soon be unavailable to many of us) that I thought it might be handy to consolidate some of the links on one thread.
Knowledge is power and the Only thing no one can take away from you. If you have a basic idea of how to do essential tasks and the ability to teach others, it increases everyone's chances of facing the coming storm and surviving.
There is a treasure trove of information and linkage on these Recession Proof GLP threads that is well worth checking out and adding to!
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
Here are a few starter links to information and many free downloads:
(some sites require free sign up to access the info)
Herbal/Medicinal texts and databases
[link to www.hesperian.org]
I especially recommend:
"Where There Is No Doctor"
"Where There Is No Dentist"
"Where There Is No Doctor for Women"
[link to www.swsbm.com]
incredible collection of herbal/medicinal information... almost all are free to download
[link to www.karmasherbs.com]
(this one has huge list of free downloads of info on specific health issues and natural treatment options)
Calculator: food needed for #people for one year
[link to www.internet-grocer.net]
Water: distillation/purification and more
[link to theepicenter.com]
[link to practicalaction.org]
(this site has an incredible amount of potentially useful information)
[link to www.csgnetwork.com]
(calculator for how much to use of what for purifying)
It's a busy day ahead, but I will add more as I have time later
More helpful links
Growing and greenhouses
[link to attra.ncat.org]
National Sustainable Agriculture Information Service
Lots of useful information for farming and gardening
[link to www.pvcplans.com]
easy construct pvc plans for greenhouse, chicken pens, cold frame etc.
[link to www.buildeazy.com]
cool specifics for novice builders
[link to www.bae.ncsu.edu]
small greenhouse construction
Broad info bases… old time know-how to hardcore survival
[link to www.backwoodsliving.com]
just what it says… good stuff
[link to www.equipped.org]
this is for the army survival manual
site has gear and other goodies too
[link to practicalaction.org]
well worth the trouble of free registration
downloaded much of this info for our neighborhood/community crisis package
[link to grandpappy.info]
most articles are basic and helpful
soap making, canning & preservation and lots mor
Here are a few more random links that contain valuable information and learning/teaching resources.
[link to www.inthewake.org]
“how-tos related to peak oil, climate change, collapse, and related subjects.”
[link to www.caes.uga.edu]
most useful for those already homesteading
[link to www.uga.edu]
National Center for Home Food Preservation
all about canning, drying, pickling and more
[link to www.craftandfabriclinks.com]
beginner’s guide to sewing
[link to allrecipes.com]
wild yeasts and starters… “how to” guides and recipes |
| Frigg Stuyvesant
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11/8/2008 11:37 AM
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Recession Proof GLP...Antibiotic Alternatives
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Antibiotic Alternatives
If TSHTF and you have injured people on your hands, what do you do? Do you have a significant stash of antibiotics on hand to treat these medical patients? If not, they might die. What do you do? Before the advent of antibiotics, doctors were still healing people. They knew that there are medicinal herbs that can help. Many native peoples have used these plants for sometimes thousands of years. If you can grow a vegetable garden, you can grow medicinal herbs too. Some of them are even used as kitchen herbs. Grow & dry them now, and store them away for future usage as extracts, infusions, ointments, etc. Of course, don't give anything to children or pregnant mothers without specific medical advice first.
(Disclaimer: I'm not a doctor or naturopath. And I'm not giving medical advice here. Ask a doctor if you want medical advice. This is for informational purposes only)
Echinacea: Used internally or externally. Fights infection & boosts the immune system. Can be used against many different viruses, bacteria and fungi, including skin wounds, snake bites, allergies, insect bites & stings, burns, ear infections, colds, flu, eczema, low white blood cell count, radiation poisoning related immuno deficiencies, sinusitis, urinary tract infections, skin ulcers, staph infections, and sore throats.
It's not to be used with patients with auto-immune disorders as it complicates their condition.
Goldenseal: Used internally. Cleans blood. Fights infection.
Wild Indigo: Used internally or externally. Has antibiotic and immune-stimulating effects, and it has anti-mucous decongestant properties. Works on a wide range of bacteria and fungi, including respiratory tract infections, ear infections, mouth ulcers, gingivitis, and to treat abrasions, skin infections, and wounds. Don't use in large doses as it can be unhealthy to do so.
Myrrh: Used internally & externally. It has a direct antimicrobial effect and is used to treat a wide range of viral, bacterial, and fungal infections, to include respiratory infections, stomach complaints, skin infections, abscesses, boils, sores, wounds, asthma, bronchitis, colds, flu, sinusitis, sore throats, herpes simplex, mouth and throat pain.
Sage: Used internally. It has antibacterial properties and is used to treat mouth and throat inflammation, mouth-throat-tonsil infections, mouth ulcers, diarrhea, gastritis, and enteritis. It makes a good mouthwash and gargle. Long-term or excessive use can be unhealthy. Pregnant women need to stay away from this one.
Thyme: Used internally or externally. It's an antiseptic and used for treating wounds, respiratory infections, coughing (expectorant, anti-spasm), tonsillitis, pharyngitis, laryngitis, bronchitis and asthma. Don't overuse this one as it'll become unhealthy.
Garlic: Used internally or externally. It's an antibiotic and antiseptic for treating wounds, respiratory infections, intestinal parasites and infections such as cholera, dysentary, and typhoid. It also has blood cholesterol lowering and anticancer properties.
Wormwood/Absinthe: Used internally. Has anti-worm properties. Can be used as a local anesthetic. Don't use in large quantities as it then becomes unhealthy. Pregnant women need to stay away from this one.
Thuja: Used internally or externally. Has antiviral and antibacterial properties. Can be used for respiratory tract and digestive tract viruses, as well as warts of all kinds and external fungal infections. It could also be useful for surface wounds and burns. It's also bee known to counteract the ill effects of the smallpox vaccination... If used internally, seek professional medical advice for safety, or use a homeopathic preparation.
These are just a few herbs with proven medicinal uses. There are many more available to use for a wide range of medical problems. Most of the over-the-counter preparations are weak and over-processed, producing weaker results. But if you make these yourself, you can control the concentration and efficacy. To prepare these herbs for use, you have to learn how to make extracts, infusions, ointments, etc. There are many good books on the market that cover everything from growing to preparing herbs for medicinal usage.
Additionally, there are many other medical treatments available for alternative medicine such as Colloidal Silver, homeopathy, nutritional therapy, etc. that can also be utilized. Set yourself up with these natural medicinal options now so that when a serious need arises for antibiotics in a future crisis, you won't have this panicked look on your face. You'll be ready.
- taken from 'Natural Alternatives to Antibiotics', by Dr. John McKenna
Right, allicin is thought to be the active antibacterial ingredient in garlic that makes it work so well. I've heard good things about the allicin compounds sold on the market. There might be other components of garlic however that play into it's antimicrobial properties as well.
I'll check out D-Mannose Powder. I like anything that economical with a long shelf-life that I can stock up on.
But yeah, my focus in the post is to offer antibiotic alternatives that are renewable year after year. As long as you plant non-hybrids, you can keep an endless supply of herbal medicines forever.
And during a Depression or collapse, smart people will be growing vegetables and grains, but who will be growing antibacterial and antiviral medicines? Now that's a barter idea.
Oil of Oregano is said to be one of, if not THE strongest natural anti-biotics. Get the oil that's at least 85% Carvacrol (the active agent). Don't refrigerate it. Shelf life is 1 to 1-1/2 yrs. About 10 drops in a small glass of OJ will do w
Don't forget raw honey. It's antibacterial, antiviral and antifungal. I've used it for many things, internally & externally and it has worked.
Has to be raw and the darker the better.
I've put it directly on infected wounds and burns and the infection is gone in no time. I had a severe burn on the whole inside of my hand which I should have gone to doctor or emergency. The skin bubbled and my hand swelled to twice normal size so was a severe burn. But being stubborn as I am I used honey on it instead. And no scars. It healed up in no time.
There's also two little prolific weeds that will tend to themselves and are both high in vitamin C. You can eat the leaves of both in salads also.
dandelion: high in vit. C, use tender leaves in salad, tea for colds, dried roots for coffee, flowers for wine.
sweet violets (winter crop): high in vit. C (more than oranges) and vit. A (more than spinach), and leaves also have the same pain relief ingredient that aspirin uses but not as concentrated as aspirin tablet.
I make a concentrated salve out of sweet violet leaves and coconut oil to put on aches and pains, joint, muscle and nerve. Pain relief lasts for a few hours. Doesn't smell good so I usually add some natural fragrance.
Can't believe no one has Cayenne on here. I've begun using it every day - started after getting a strange bug that left me hurting literally ALL OVER - from head to toe - which was really weird because I NEVER, EVER get sick.....
So, when I did succumb to some weird bug, I started Cayenne Pepper each morning and evening. I am now down to just morning.
But let me tell you - Cayenne will make a sore throat (and I'm talking about the worst sore throat I've ever had) IMMEDIATELY feel better!!!
And then, about 20-30 minutes later, your whole BODY feels better.
I swear I feel about 5 years younger. Been using it about 4 weeks.
I just take about teaspoon or so (well rounded) each morning when I wake up - chase it with water. I found that it's easy if I put the teaspoon of pepper on a cracker, eat the whole cracker and chase with a big glass of water.
I googled it and found that it has a LOT of health benefits....not just the known cardio benefits, but healing properties as well - including fast healing on open wounds - pretty handy stuff!
ELDERBERRIES!!!
Taken at the onset of a cold or flu - it stops it dead in its tracks.
You can buy dried elderberries and make your own tea or soak them in vodka and make a tincture.
Or you can buy SAMBUCOL syrup. Same thing.
For immediate long lasting numbing effect and healing properties use Spilanthes
I'm growing it myself now. Incredible plant
Another I'm growing is Wild Dagga
Wild Dagga leaf or roots are widely used as a remedy for snakebite and also to relieve other bites and stings. Decoctions of dried wild dagga leaf or root have been applied externally to treat boils, eczema, skin diseases and itching, and muscular cramps.
Wild dagga extracts are also used to relieve coughs, cold and influenza, as well as bronchitis, high blood pressure and headaches. Leaf infusions have been used to treat asthma and viral hepatitis. Wild dagga tea is also used to treat headache, bronchitis, high blood pressure and the common cold. This species is also important in Chinese/Vietnamese medicine as an euphoric, purgative and vermifuge.
Leonotis leonurus also known as Lion's Tail or Wild Dagga. Is a member of the Mint family of plants. Wild dagga is used by the Hottentot tribesmen for several different medicinal purposes and to promote euphoria and exuberance when smoked.
Well, I use pure clover honey, but I haven't a clue as to where it's from; it is filtered and cleaned. But ya know, the ancients used it on wounds, too, and I'm pretty certain they had mostly raw honey.
Here's a few links...
[link to www.worldwidewounds.com]
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Honey is an ancient remedy for the treatment of infected wounds, which has recently been 'rediscovered' by the medical profession, particularly where conventional modern therapeutic agents are failing. There are now many published reports describing the effectiveness of honey in rapidly clearing infection from wounds, with no adverse effects to slow the healing process; there is also some evidence to suggest that honey may actively promote healing. In laboratory studies, it has been shown to have an antimicrobial action against a broad spectrum of bacteria and fungi. However, further research is needed to optimise the effective use of this agent in clinical practice.
[link to dermnetnz.org]
All difficult to heal wounds should be seen by your doctor. The following are general tips on how honey may be used for wound care.
The amount of honey used depends on the amount of fluid exuding from the wound. Large amounts of exudate require substantial amounts of honey to be applied.
The frequency of dressing changes depends on how rapidly the honey is being diluted by the exudate. This should become less frequent as the honey starts to work on healing the wound.
Occlusive dressings help to prevent honey oozing out from the wound.
It is best to spread the honey on a dressing and apply this to the wound than apply the honey directly onto the wound. Dressing pads pre-impregnated with honey are commercially available and provide an effective and less messy alternative.
Abscesses, cavity or deep wounds need more honey to adequately penetrate deep into the wound tissues. The wound bed should be filled with honey before applying the honey dressing pad.
[link to archives.cnn.com]
Doctors turning sweet on healing with honey
March 8, 2000
Web posted at: 5:47 PM EST (2247 GMT)
By Charles Downey
(WebMD) -- Peter Molan, Ph.D., likes to tell the story of the 20-year-old wound. Infected with antibiotic-resistant bacteria, an abscess oozed in an English woman's armpit long after it had been drained. Nothing seemed to help, and the pain prevented her from working.
Then in August of 1999, she read about the remarkable wound-healing properties of honey. She convinced doctors to apply some to the dressing to her arm, and a month later the wound healed. Now she's back at work.
Novel as this treatment sounds, it would have inspired yawns among doctors in ancient Egypt, according to May Berenbaum, Ph.D., a University of Illinois entomologist.
"Honey has been used for centuries to treat a wide range of medical problems like wounds, burns, cataracts, skin ulcers and scrapes," she says. "And now various researchers worldwide are also studying -- and finding -- strong antimicrobial properties in some honeys."
Honey fell from favor as a wound dressing when antibiotic dressings were developed during World War II. But the new research -- and the rise of antibiotic-resistant bacteria -- are putting this old-time folk remedy into the contemporary medicine chest.
Last year, the Australian Therapeutic Goods Administration -- the equivalent of the U.S. Food and Drug Administration -- approved honey as a medicine. A company in Australia this year began marketing medical honey as a wound dressing in pharmacies there. It's available in the United States through the Internet.
Honey helps wounds in several ways, says Molan. Its thickness provides a protective barrier. The hydrogen peroxide it contains is released slowly, killing germs in the wound. Some as-yet-unknown ingredients reduce inflammation, while others, perhaps amino acids and vitamin C, speed the growth of healthy tissue. Honey even makes wounds smell better, possibly because when bacteria in wounds eat honey's sugars, they give off sweeter-smelling gases.
Dozens of studies, in animals and humans, have documented such benefits. One of the most convincing reports, published in the 1998 issue of the journal Burns, tells how researchers from the Dr. V. M. Medical College in Maharashtra, India, compared honey with silver sulfadiazine, the standard treatment for superficial burns.
The researchers first smeared honey on gauze and used it to dress the burns of 52 patients. Another 52 patients got the same treatment but with silver sulfadiazine in place of the honey.
In the 52 patients treated with honey, 87 percent healed within 15 days, compared with 10 percent of those treated with silver sulfadiazine. The honey-treated patients also experienced less pain, leaking of wound fluid, and scarring.
Molan, a biochemist at the University of Waikato in New Zealand, and other researchers have found special bacteria-killing properties in honey made from the nectar of the tea tree (Leptospermum). In laboratory experiments, reported in the November 1992 Journal of Applied Bacteriology, Molan and his colleagues found that it was particularly effective in slaying staphylococcus aureus.
This so-called "Golden Staph" -- which infested the English woman's 20-year-old wound -- sometimes survives the most potent antibiotics, killing its victims. "Manuka honey has worked in very desperate cases where nothing else has worked," says Molan.
Based on the research of Molan and others, an Australian company is now marketing Manuka honey under the name Medihoney. To make it, beekeepers set their hives close to tea trees so the bees will gather their nectar.
Studies so far have found no side effects other than an occasional slight burning sensation when the honey is applied. Though honey sometimes contains the spores of bacteria that cause botulism, Molan says there have been no reported cases of this bacteria or anything else in honey infecting a wound.
Experts do caution that infants should not eat honey because of the botulism risk. "But it's still OK to use honey on children's (and infants') burns or scrapes," says Molan.
Molan also believes it is safe to use ordinary supermarket honey on such minor wounds. And it's a lot cheaper than antibiotic ointments. But since ingredients vary depending on the nectar from which the honey is made, Medihoney offers the advantage of laboratory testing.
It's one medicine that doesn't need a spoonful of sugar to help it go down. |
| Frigg Stuyvesant
User ID: 504969
11/8/2008 11:39 AM
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Got an indoor fireplace? Maybe even just one for "looks" that has only a natural gas fed burner? Well, you do have a place to cook if the gas svc stays on. Cast Iron cookware will work fine on/in your hearth. That is how cooking used to be done, put the pots in/over the fire heat source.
Might want to google up "hobo stoves". Pretty easy to make a cooker from a coffee can or #10 can and use twigs or wood chips/charcoal to power it. Don't throw your big empty cans away; use em for something.
Funnels and buckets will be very useful items to have. Maybe you want a decent siphon hose to scavenge fuel? Buy some PRI D to restore old diesel fuel, and PRI-G to restore old/stale gasoline. This is the stuff that works when the Sta-Bil fuel has gone bad. I have also added a couple bottles of carburetor cleaner and Octane Booster to a premium fueled vehicle that hadn't been driven in many months and had that work fine to restore old gas. Might try Acetone also, add about 2.75oz per 10gals.
Haven't really touched on the staying warm/dry part yet. Rain and wind can kill you. Hypothermia and pneumonia are nothing to risk. In cold climates, you really need the best clothing you can find. Layering works, use polar fleece instead of cotton. A windbreaker or goretex parka really extends your comfort range when worn over at polarfleece or wool sweater. I like duofold cotton/wool long underwear but polypropylene synthetic will really keep you warm even when soaking wet in a frozen swamp. Having good Merino Wool socks also helps. Down clothing is superb in dry climates. Wool is beautiful stuff, but very expensive. I have found lots of great Woolrich and Pendleton shirts at resale shops for under $5. Gloves and mittens for sure.
Even if you are Down South, having outerwear you can layer gives you the edge if you must take to the woods. Rubber pac boots or those LL Bean Maine Guide boots w/o liners are great for Winter wear when the rain/dew has everything outside soaked fully. I have treated my hiking boots for 30yrs with Snow Seal, it works superbly and preserves leather with excellence. Gotta love ski masks and poly glove liners when it is really cold. Ever ride a motorcycle in Winter? You learn what works. Anything that keeps the cold from penetrating will work. You can layer-in dry newspaper or grasses and stay warm if caught with only a light jacket.
For outdoor living, a tent is really a great thing. You want one with a floor, if considering something for backpacking. Being out of the damp or wet aids you greatly. Carrying a small tarp that you can put down under your tent floor insulates you even better and preserves your tent floor from rips, tearing etc. If you pile dried grass etc under the tarp, even better.
A tarp on its own is wonderful. With some rope and a few cut limbs etc you can frame it into a tent or windbreak. The old Baker Tent which was a wedge design, open in front pitched to gather warmth from a fire with reflector logs etc, is really adaptable from a large tarp. Could probably sew one yourself from 2 or 3 tarps if so inclined. The TIPI is also a great portable home you can rig with 8-12 long sappling timbers, some rope and a few tarps of various sizes to wrap around the sappling tripod frame.
Plastic tarps are really a great item to have. The really huge ones can cover your roof if you get leakage, or almost any size vehicle or even a haystack. If you are without a sleeping bag, a blanket roll with a small 8x8ft tarp to wrap up in will work very well. Having a couple dozen diaper or bigger safety pins will enable your bedroll to remain intact around you. You can take a carpet or craft needle and some dental floss and sew your tarp into a homemade bivy sack. Carry your bedroll rolled width ways and bend it around your shoulders or backpack.
Backpacks and daypacks are very versatile for their organizing and load carrying capability. The older frame style CampTrails/Kelty backpacks are superb. ALICE mil-surp packrigs will work, but are heavy and not too comfortable. Look at the aluminum frame and belt/shoulder straps on your external frame backpack. You want good suspension gear. Maybe you find your stuff at the pawn or thriftshop, you can mix & match. Easy to remove the retention devices and swap components to make a great frame unit. Nothing wrong with having a few backpacks. The Medium ALICE pack without frame, but with added shoulder straps makes a great dayhiking/patrolling sack. As many decent condition packs as you can find, you will have use for.
Quality outdoor wear and gear is also useful around the house. Can't really say the same about city wear in the country or mountains. A down sleeping bag makes a pretty decent comforter when unzipped and spread out over your bed. Point is, having survival gear can benefit you in town until you need it vitally out of doors.
A great way to organize your stuff is to think in terms of kts. First Aid kit, fire making kit, sewing kit, hygeine kit, food processing kit, tool kits. Tackle or tool boxes, day packs, even gal or 2gal ziploc bags are great for organizing your kits. Kids' large pencil bags are great for small items, esp if they are nylon and not plastic. Rubbermaid or Tupperware bread boxes and containers of all sizes are great organizers. If you want to keep maps, lists, and other documents for a longtime, consider having them laminated. Maps store best when rolled rather than folded.
Maps are pretty wonderful to have, maybe critical. Topographical maps of your area show you many details to aid your planning and routemaking. Recent road maps are critical if you are navigating to your bugout location and might need to have several alternate routes. Maps also help you choose your bugout or campsite location. An orienteering compass helps your navigate in the wild by topo map. Be Expert With Map & Compass is a great book and now there is even a video/dvd which shows how.
Binoculars and spotting scope are excellent tools to save you time, keep your distance while you reconoiter new areas, and checkout anyone walking up your street or country lane. Compact ones can always be with you, or maybe you choose a monocular? No matter, many uses for these tools everyday.
IMPORTANT WEAPONS CACHING INFO
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This is some useful info if the New World Order somehow succeeds in banning guns in the U.S. by using the Virginia Tech massacre as a catalyst.
Hiding guns in your house won't be good enough since the police state thugs who will come to confiscate your guns will have metal detectors and will tear apart your house and your property looking for guns.
If you hide your weapons in undisclosed caches for later use, this will intimidate police state thugs and foreign troops from taking action against the American people in a future "Red Dawn" scenario which is now being incrementally implemented every day with new gun laws, the construction of police state control grids, police state crackdowns and martial law.
Everybody who wants to keep their guns and defend America should make copies of this.
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WEAPONS CACHING(from defunct site sit-rep.com)
Sad to say, the march of anti-constitutional laws continues to quicken the pace. Today tens of thousands of law abiding citizens face becoming "armchair felons" because they are not gullible enough to comply with mandatory registration and licensing of long owned firearms. Collectors have been raided on bogus pretexts, then arrested for "paper violations", and had their assets seized. It's a shame, but in many jurisdictions your AR-15 or SKS is an "outlaw rifle", and you are at risk every day that you keep it in your house. It is doubly a shame because these are exactly the types of arms the founding fathers were speaking of when they wrote the 2nd Amendment...
So if you will not register or turn in your weapons, and are reluctant to keep some of them in your house, what is to be done with them, to preserve them for use at some future date? Many folks just say "bury them" but this is simplistic and may be self defeating, for a buried gun may be rusted, forgotten, or paved over in time. The "art of the cache" is then the subject of this lesson.
First we must define a few terms, for there are several classes of caches. A fighting cache or ready cache is one where a rifle or other weapon is kept, sighted in and with the correct ammunition and cleaning gear, available on short notice. A long term cache should be able to lay undetected for years if need be. An Escape and Evasion cache will contain a complete getaway kit in addition to a firearm, against the day that the owner finds himself pursued by enemies.
An E&E cache will contain the items listed in Squantos' E&E kits, as well as hair dye, "instant tan" lotion, scissors, a razor, a nylon windbreaker and a hat for a quick appearance change. Cash, gold, a space blanket, a poncho for shelter and a pistol would also be included. All of these items can be kept in a .50 caliber metal ammo box available at any army surplus store.
What arms to cache? If you are considering caching any weapons, it makes sense to cache both your black "outlaw" firearms and your cheap surplus military rifles, the Enfields and SKS's and so on. The former may land you in legal trouble, the latter are inexpensive and may best prove their worth by waiting hidden and silent for the moment of need. Pistols also should be considered, particularly inexpensive surplus police revolvers. There is no other type of firearm which may be handed to a complete novice with confidence that the new shooter will be able to use it effectively on the first try, and you may someday be in the position of arming a complete novice. Millions of non-shooters may become ardent RKBA advocates in the years to come and you should consider arms for them as well as for yourself.
Where should you locate your cache?I will consider three broad areas: rural caches, urban caches, and underwater caches.
The Rural Cache: In the countryside, cache options abound far beyond the cliched hole in the ground, although that option is not to be left out! In the boonies, look for old private junkyards, every big farm has at least one on the back 40! Rusty forgotten tractors, cars, refrigerators and farm equipment are made to order, full of hidden nooks and crannies where a rifle or three may be inserted, yet remain readily available. Of course, hiding firearms in and around old iron negates the chance of technical detection. Abandoned farmhouses, barns, ruins, and foundations provide countless hiding places, as do small caves, worked out mines, and graveyards. And of course you can just bury your package, preferably near or around some clutter of old scrap metal to provide magnetic camouflage.
The Urban Cache: In cities and towns you must be a bit more creative to find a good cache location which will remain undisturbed for years. Abandoned factories and warehouses, forgotten steam tunnels, scrap yards and neglected corners of basements and attics of some buildings may be used. You need to find a quiet dark out of the way corner were you can remove some tile or blocks or panels to create a mini vault, then hide by replacing the cover. Old large diameter pipes or pump casings may be used as is. Sometimes it is possible to create a cache by adding a bogus utility box or fake run of pipe which has no other purpose than to look old and nasty, and hide a gun or two.
The Underwater Cache: Arms may be sealed into a PVC pipe, then sunk for a great cache. Ammo packed inside around the arms will provide enough weight to sink the tube. Tie a strong nylon or monofilament line around the middle of the pipe, and lower the cache under an old rotten abandoned dock or wharf. So much junk accumulates under old docks that one more slime and barnacle encrusted pipe section will attract no attention at all. Tie the top end of the line to a piling down under the waterline, the entire line will soon be so nasty that no one will ever touch it, except you!
Packaging the Cache: No matter where your cache will be located, you should go to great pains to make sure that it remains sealed and moisture proof. As mentioned, large diameter PVC pipe fits the bill perfectly. If you want access without cutting open the pipe, you can buy an end cap with a threaded center. For really long term storage, release the springs from your magazines and operating rods where possible. A chunk of dry ice dropped into a watertight package and allowed to "steam off" before sealing will purge out the rust producing oxygen. Store bought silica desiccant bags may also be used. Wherever ammo is stored, beware of using penetrating oils, as in time they may deaden the primers.
Plastic five gallon buckets with sealed lids may also be used, as well as heavy duty "white water rafting" bags, marine "flare kit" boxes and containers, surplus military ammo and ordnance boxes and many other types of containers. Where possible, for long term storage seal the lids with a bead of silicone glue.
Where tight cache space is a consideration, you may have to merely wrap your weapons in plastic. In this case use the biggest thickest heavy duty lawn and garden bags you can find. After placing the arms inside, suck out all the air you can, twist the end, put a few strong wires ties around the neck, fold it over, and put more wire around it again. Then do this again inside another bag. Long rifles which will not fit in a bag will have to be wrapped in industrial plastic sheeting, taped up, and kept in a fairly dry location. This type of packaging may be considered where a weapon may be in a "fighting cache", ready for use on short notice.
Locating Your Cache: Nothing is worse than stumbling around looking for a cache so well hidden that you cannot find it, so give a lot of thought to the landmarks you will locate it by, and write them down! Don't put the entire location on one piece of paper (for security), just the final directions which will not make sense if the paper is compromised. Remember, your cache area may look very different in different seasons, so choose landmarks which will stand out in summer foliage or winter snow. It is a good idea to take compass bearings from several permanent landmarks, as well as pacing the distances where possible. Or you may locate the cache by aligning it with an old wall, or between distinctive boulders, just make sure the features are permanent: bushes and gullies may disappear. Be alert to construction around your cache, and if the survey stakes go up, move it out ASAP. You may use GPS coordinates, but consider that GPS may be degraded or turned off at any time, and mark your location the "old fashioned way" first.
Cache Security: When you look for a cache location, consider that you will need a "cover for action" to explain your presence in the area. If you jog cross country, go on hikes, bike or four wheel drive you have it made. The cache location must have terrain or vegetation cover to conceal your loading and unloading it: forget the "cover of darkness", in this era of NVGs that is a thing of the past.
Before returning to a cache do some counter-surveillance: loop around the area looking for the "watchers" who may be staking it out, or a new "utility box" which may contain a remotely operated camera. When finally approaching the cache, don't go directly to it, first "fish hook" your trail, double back and observe your own path in to check for followers. Finally, walk right past your cache and make a "false unload". If you are taken down at this point, they may not find the true cache, and your "cover for action" (eg.: taking a leak on a routine hike) may pass muster. Only when you are truly sure of your safety should you go to the cache and unload it.
In addition, you should leave "tell-tales", small innoucuous secret marks which will tell you if anyone has disturbed and replaced your cache. It is a favorite trick of security forces to put tracking devices into cached weapons in order to follow the guerrilla back to his base and catch the entire band. A tell-tale may be a bit of thread or a pebble etc. placed in such a way that if the cache is disturbed it will break or fall out without the security forces noticing it.
In Summary: I hope this has been an informative and thought provoking article. Even if you do not think it is necessary to cache any weapons (or an E&E kit!) at this time, you will at least be able to take walks in the woods to scout out some likely sites for future use. Look for sites at various distances from your home from a short walk to a day's drive: don't keep all your eggs in one basket. It is a good idea to "load" a cache with some old tools just for practice. See if they rust, see if the local eleven year old boys find them, see if you can get in and out of the area without being seen. Practice makes perfect, so try some "dry runs" today so that you will be a seasoned pro if and when it becomes necessary to cache "the war iron" for real and for keeps.
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[link to members.aol.com]
First: We recommend that you use a surplus military container. These have seals on the ends and a purge valve also. Second best is PVC pipe. We recommend the thick wall white PVC.If this is not available use the regular black pipe. The end caps with gasket seals are best but more costly but seal the best. If you have to use the plain end caps make sure you put pipe cement everywhere as if is very hard to seal these caps and not have a pin hole leak. Remember if you have a pin hole leak you treasures are junk. This is why we recommend using our NoRust Bags. You can put your weapons in a NoRust bag (one per item) and fold the end of the bag over four or more times on a 3/4" fold and duct tape all the way around. Next put this inside another NoRust Bag and do the same. Why two? It's just cheap insurance. DO NOT use any plain plastic bags as they will draw condensation. Put all your stuff into the tube. You can use desiccant bags in the tubes on the outside of the NoRust Bags. If you happen to put a hole or tear in the NoRust Bag you can just put duct tape over the hole. We recommend that you bag every item separately that you put into tube.
Planting:
We recommend planting in an upright position (vertical) as this makes it much harder to detect. Dig down 18" below length of tube. You can cover with something heavy or we like buying steel ball bearings and throw them around everywhere. When you step on them they go into the ground and makes metal detection virtually impossible. This drives them nuts! They can't dig everywhere! Just make sure you make a good map so you can find them!
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I remember reading Peter Capstick Hathaway talking about having to burn the privy when a Black Mamba took up residence there. The biggest bummer was the loss of the toilet seat. Pretty ubiquitous, but try sitting on a piece of plywood with your bare ass... A 5gal paint bucket with the appropriate sized trash liner with some kitty litter will make a decent toilet. Supposedly Cabellas sells a toilet seat that fits a bucket. Chemical toilets are pretty decent. With end of RV season you might find chemicals on closeout. Thetford is the best.
Probably brown, green, or camo is the best choice for plastic tarps. The heavy duty ones will wear very long time. 6mil plastic or even 4mil is also super for building or patching with. The very thin plastic floor padding makes a great insulation material if sandwiched between two tarps and sewn so it won't shift around.
The only place to buy junk tents is at the resale shop. If you pay $5-$10 for them, you get your money's worth. I did get a Eureka Timberline in like new condition for $25 once. They are Very Nice. Wenzel is also a good tent you might find at Wally's. The NorthFace VE25 is about the best backpacking/mountaineering tent ever designed for 4 season use. You might also find a USGI 4pc sleep system. The GoreTex bivy, compression bag plus light & med wt synthetic sl bags that nest make for a very workable 4 season solution. Not like you can lay in a puddle and not get wet, but goretex is pretty decent stuff. About $100 used, $165 new for one of these. You might find the camo bivy sacs on Ebay for $25-$50.
Hardware is great to have.
A good selection of decking screws in all lengths will enable you to fasten stuff securely and then retrieve your screws later on. Heavy duty galvanized lag screws will hold really heavy stuff in place. They go on quick with a ratcheting socket wrench and could enable fast shelter building in the woods. With an axe, saws and a couple of wedges you could be making timbers or even a log home. Chainsaw is even better. A 16-20" bar with 3/8" pitch chain is a real workhorse that will really earn its keep. Stihl or Husqvarna are the best makes. Poulan is supposedly Husky's cheaper brand.
You might consider fastener systems also. A hammer-tacker stapler is a super tool for rigging plastic sheeting. Adhesives in various formulas come in caulking gun tubes and make application very clean and easy. The big caulking guns really enable big jobs to go fast. You might think about keeping some cheap-0 Wally World sillicone sealant. Then there is gasket maker material.
Where does it end? Well, you have to realize if you can't fix stuff you have to adapt it. A tube of sillicone will go a long way if you don't have RTV.
Great idea on the Refugee Kits, Enigma! |
| Omega
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11/8/2008 12:05 PM | | Re: Recession proof GLP Things that might aid you in turbulent uncertain times | Quote |
Handguns are a skill; shotguns an art; rifles a science.
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Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on whats for dinner.
Disarmament is the precursor to Genocide.
Better to take action now rather than chances later. Your choice. |
| rachel
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11/8/2008 12:33 PM | | Re: Recession proof GLP Things that might aid you in turbulent uncertain times | Quote |
wow very informative stuff but i must chime in,, what a bout a bible? also grapefruitseed extract, hemp powder, spirulina, wheat grass.
[link to www.radiationdetox.com] |
| Frigg Stuyvesant
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11/8/2008 12:33 PM
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Howdy Brother!
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| rachel
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11/8/2008 12:37 PM | | Re: Recession proof GLP Things that might aid you in turbulent uncertain times | Quote |
essiac tea which most of these herbs grow outside in woods. i also dehydrate garlic, only way to preserve (besides tincturing) without destroying medicinal properties. this has taken me years of preparing and the funny thing is is that i could get stuck here in ny meanwhile my other house is in woods. at least i prepared for someone. |
| Frigg Stuyvesant
User ID: 504969
11/8/2008 12:38 PM
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wow very informative stuff but i must chime in,, what a bout a bible? also grapefruitseed extract, hemp powder, spirulina, wheat grass.
[ link to www.radiationdetox.com]
I believe bible is in there.Good ..keep it coming there is room for all ideas Torah Quran etc...But I think instructional manuals trump these for this discussion.
C'mon really ...You can't dig a latrine with a bible and there are no good ....I suppose you could use the bible for emergency toilet paper but I don't think getting struck down by the vengeful hand of God and his burning rays is worth it. |
| Omega
User ID: 340280
11/8/2008 12:40 PM | | Re: Recession proof GLP Things that might aid you in turbulent uncertain times | Quote |
Howdy Brother!
Quoting: Frigg Stuyvesant
Mornin' Bro!!! At work, bleh....
Link to army field training manuals....
[link to www.stevespages.com]
Handguns are a skill; shotguns an art; rifles a science.
_____________________________________
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on whats for dinner.
Disarmament is the precursor to Genocide.
Better to take action now rather than chances later. Your choice. |
| Frigg Stuyvesant
User ID: 504969
11/8/2008 12:42 PM
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essiac tea which most of these herbs grow outside in woods. i also dehydrate garlic, only way to preserve (besides tincturing) without destroying medicinal properties. this has taken me years of preparing and the funny thing is is that i could get stuck here in ny meanwhile my other house is in woods. at least i prepared for someone. Quoting: rachel 529732
Please explain you methods of procuring storing tincturing etc..
Give as much detail as possible and thank you! |
| Frigg Stuyvesant
User ID: 504969
11/8/2008 12:44 PM
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ATTENTION EVERYONE!!!
Check this site out ...It may just save your ass some day! |
| rachel
User ID: 529732
11/8/2008 12:44 PM | | Re: Recession proof GLP Things that might aid you in turbulent uncertain times | Quote |
na i just know there are deamons runnin amuck and yea the bible (gods word) will help. it also says you will be invisible to your enemys. i wonder wht the indians used for toilet paper lol. |
| rachel
User ID: 529732
11/8/2008 12:54 PM | | Re: Recession proof GLP Things that might aid you in turbulent uncertain times | Quote |
omgosh where do i begin. i raped elderberry bushes and tinctured in vodka with ginger or mint that i grow. dman your making me scratch my head. id love to help but dont know what info to give. ok. i familiarized myself with edible plants that grow around me, burdock root, leaves,
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either i use my dehydrator or pizza tray on pot belly stove to dry herbs or garlic.
where im from there where tons and tons of berry bushes and while everyone was havin fun thinkin i was nuts i picked and picked and canned in a water bath canner.
i bought hemp wheat grass ,grapefruit seed extract, spirulin on ebay. i dont know what eles you want to know but ill give you as much as i can.
o dont forget bentonite clay and activated charcoal. internal and externaly absorbs toxin.
i also bought kelp whik helps thyroid with radiation. ebay has good deal. |
| Frigg Stuyvesant
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11/8/2008 12:57 PM
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na i just know there are deamons runnin amuck and yea the bible (gods word) will help. it also says you will be invisible to your enemys. i wonder wht the indians used for toilet paper lol. Quoting: rachel 529732
I think they ate with one hand for a reason! |
| rachel
User ID: 529732
11/8/2008 1:01 PM | | Re: Recession proof GLP Things that might aid you in turbulent uncertain times | Quote |
i didnt ger n95 grade masks yet though........and about indians lol |
| rachel
User ID: 529732
11/8/2008 1:16 PM | | Re: Recession proof GLP Things that might aid you in turbulent uncertain times | Quote |
i dont have a map of my erea either when troops come rollin through. an emergency bag i guess is next step. phase 2? |
| Frigg Stuyvesant
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11/8/2008 1:23 PM
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i dont have a map of my erea either when troops come rollin through. an emergency bag i guess is next step. phase 2? Quoting: rachel 529732
Make sure to cut and paste this material then PRINT IT so you have hard copy for reference later or if the net gets taken down or EMP attack etc..Just sayin' |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 539684
11/8/2008 1:29 PM | | Re: Recession proof GLP Things that might aid you in turbulent uncertain times | Quote |
Hey...You forgot the Meshuga Nutts!........
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| Enigma
User ID: 545562
11/8/2008 3:17 PM
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right now everyone is all happy and singing kumbayah, after the obamessiah was elected... but he is not looking so happy, as what he has been told is GRIM...
bleak
no good
the future is not going to be easy...
so while we have this lull, better get some more supplies...
ammo is critical if you dont have any...
i can guarantee you the PTB and the Demoncrps will restrict this soon or tax it beyone your level to buy...
for the shooters, better start gathering reloading gear, powder and primers...
don't go and try and buy a WHOLE LOT at once, as that is a red flad and will get a microscope up your ass and maybe get you on some sort of list...
best to buy some each week and do ir with perseverence and faithfullness...
I have my WalMart rule...
i do NOT go to wal mart without buying at least one box of ammo... period..
plus you check out way faster at the sporting goods counter...
food, shelter, water, weapons
and of course everyone is going to need their own persoanl seed vault like all the countries of the world have been building...
GET IT?
they are preparing so take note!
I'm about to buy ANOTHER freezer for just my seed collection.
preparation is something you should be doing all the time...
ESPECIALLY now... while there is a lull...
GET MOVING!
"knowing and not DOING, is like NOT KNOWING at all" |
| Omega
User ID: 340280
11/8/2008 7:42 PM | | Re: Recession proof GLP Things that might aid you in turbulent uncertain times | Quote |
for the shooters, better start gathering reloading gear, powder and primers...
GET MOVING! Quoting: Enigma
This looks pretty good....
[link to www.brianenos.com]
Handguns are a skill; shotguns an art; rifles a science.
_____________________________________
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on whats for dinner.
Disarmament is the precursor to Genocide.
Better to take action now rather than chances later. Your choice. |
| aaron_o.o
User ID: 513816
11/8/2008 7:49 PM
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1. solar power AND a generator. solar so you can use generator less.
2. food comes in various ways. i like to think basic, you need food, shelter, clean water,.. for food, get bags and bags of rice and if possible wild rice, whatever kinds of beans you can get(big bags), bulk GNC type stuff-bars and all, MREs and the like.
3. for disasters, for something portable, get the straw filterer and another filter/purifier portable pump. Get one of those water bladders for your tub.
4. enhance security. get movement flood type lights for night time. maybe have a few cameras hooked up if the need or feeling arises.
5. have a land line phone. they stay up when the power goes out. with that said, don't rely on your cell phone 100%. you need a battery and a charger for it(and a outlet with power).
6. gadgets? walkie talkie, military grade binoculars, whatever else military grade, gadgets, matches, clothing.
7. a safe with your valuables. maybe silver/gold, documents, a flash drive, weapons, etc.
my $.02
"God" said, let us make man in our image.. IMPLYING genetic hybridization
"I awoke only to find, that the rest of the world was still asleep" |
| Joe Six Pack
User ID: 349786
11/8/2008 9:08 PM
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Thanks Frigg.
Nice thread.
I don't remember. |
| Enigma
User ID: 545562
11/8/2008 9:19 PM
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Went to wally world tonight to buy a shop light for my barn, and a toy for my kid ( he's done well this week in school ) and as my ammunition policy concerning wally world, I HAVE to buy at least one box if I step foot in the door...
.308 Winchester 150 gr 12.97x20 rds.
Federal 550 pack copper .22 Long Rifle has gone up from 9.99 to 12.97
9mm 155 gr fmj 10.97 x 50 rds Winchester
This wally world was recently renovate, things moved, sporting goods shrunk and guns are gone...
in .300 win mag they only had Remington 180 gr for 23.97 no federal of anything in the magnums on Remington.
I'm guessing I'll probably just be buying .22 ammo from them in the future and maybe handgun practice ammo.
At the local Chinese food shop, rice and beans were up a bit with 20 pounds at 15.99 cheapest brand...
Stocked up on mung beans for sprouts and some more exotic chinese broad beans for the seed collection.
At the local feed store, Hen scratch was 9.99 for 50 pound bag, Laying mash was 15.99 and goat and sheep pellets were 11.99.
Gasoline is still pretty cheap in the area ranging from 2.29 to 2.55 for regular...
"knowing and not DOING, is like NOT KNOWING at all" |
| rachel
User ID: 529732
11/9/2008 10:04 AM | | Re: Recession proof GLP Things that might aid you in turbulent uncertain times | Quote |
o yea then you gotta buty your shit |
| Flaming Sword
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11/12/2008 5:57 AM | | Re: Recession proof GLP Things that might aid you in turbulent uncertain times | Quote |
It looks like it(spam bot) has been resolved.Awesome!
Dr.Postman is on the ball.Kudos to yudos!
Back on topic...
Water purification with sodium hypochlorite (5.25-6%) unscented bleach=
me from work, she has permission to pick them up. You may want to work something out with a neighbor who is l
Boot Camp 101
The WHOLE deal is mental...
Survival is in breath...
If you, by some grave misfortune, find yourselves alone, unarmed, no supplies, possibly on the run from electronic and other survelliance, how will you survive?
Physical survival is the easy bit.
Psychological distress is the killer.
Pain can be subjugated by blocking it out...takes practice.
Cold can be subjugated by 'thinking warm', but real world measures include a good beanie, the head can lose up to 50% body heat.
Gloves too are an essential item to enable manual dexterity to remain at peak.
Boots...lace up, ankle support, waterproof.
You may need to hide your thermal signature, keep beside objects with a high thermal mass.
Barns always were and will remain safe refuges, as are field ditches, blackbery thickets and any vegetative areas.
If travelling in stealth overland it is wise to cross the terrain in a deviation manner. Avoid well known thourough fares.
Rivers afford many nooks and crevices to rest in, as the banks are often eroded. Crossing rivers and alternating sides will lessen your chances of capture should hounds be used.
Body language adaptation is your BEST disguise.
Cock up a shoulder, stoop a fraction, affect a limp, who are you now? Somebody 'they' are not looking for.
Keep a glowing cinder(s) in a tin, collect dry kindling as you walk.
Remember the devastating effects of the windchill factor, sometimes stuffing your outer garments with foilage will assist in lessening thermal exposure.
Keep on the lee side of prevailing winds.
Take only the bare neccessities.
Several reasons for this; 1 Ease of mobility
2Less clutter requires less thought
3Too much is too tiring will compromise your every move.
If you think "oh no, I can take that and that and that, then go grab a 5 gallon drum and fill it up and lug it up and down your street imagining it is for real and you have 1/4 mile to get to cover...can you do it?
Travel light.
Socks, as silly as it sounds, are the key to your comfort, wellbeing, and perhaps survival.
Longer the better, double as a tourniquet, gives one the ability to tie, lash, suspend.
Socks may be used as an elementary filter body, just add charcoal and sand.
Your feet are now the Chev, look after them as you would the car...
Fear is the ultimate danger.
Irrational decisions and knee jerk reactions are a no go zone.
Think through the possibilities, the probabilities, the likely outcomes, the bizzarre, the unexpected.
Try to analyze the WHOLE spectrum of alternative scenerios before making a move.
Above all, whether you find yourself at home, with no doom, or at large, dispersed through the vastness of our great world, remember, positivity.
If cold; think warm
If scared; think safe
If angered; think peace
A thicket of scrub can be cleared in the centre and the tops of the scrub gathered forth to make a rudimentary teepee like shelter/windbreak.
Mud daubed over the structure, reinforced with grasses, may provide rain shelter.
:fishy: Quoting: Frigg Stuyvesant
Hmmm they say plaigerism is high flattery.
I accept
Some acknowledgement perhaps Frigg...
Man I could relay sooo much but man...to what end
Anyway great thread, good info...
Its nice to know you read my shit.
Always said, leadership aint a popularity contest
I lead myself, I ask no one to follow
I just ask they think for themselves.
I personally have upgraded my survial kit in the interests of fairness.
I shall take a tin can on a chain into which I will have two chambers, one kindling, one embers.
I shall take whipping cord.
I shall take a knife.
Weight..under 1kg. |
| rachel
User ID: 529732
11/14/2008 12:15 PM | | Re: Recession proof GLP Things that might aid you in turbulent uncertain times | Quote |
[link to cgi.ebay.com]
solar drops for reptiles. on another blog someone said there concenttrated and vitamine d is good flu preventor |
| Frigg Stuyvesant
User ID: 504969
11/14/2008 12:38 PM
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Hmmm they say plaigerism is high flattery.
I accept
Some acknowledgement perhaps Frigg...
Man I could relay sooo much but man...to what end
Anyway great thread, good info...
Its nice to know you read my shit.
Thanks to Flaming sword from Frigg Stuyvesant!
I did however mention I had plagiarized much info here and Your name was not there from my(YOUR) original source.The point was to disseminate much info to everybody! If you have amendments please add them Thanks again.I would personally be grateful.These have been compiled from many sources not just your one post.Much was done by myself believe it or not.
SOOOO props AGAIN to Flaming Sword.Good job!! |
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