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| PaaatRiot101
User ID: 476550
7/31/2008 9:51 AM | | Re: "Worst coverup in the history of the military" Military personnel getting sick from vaccines-IMPORTANT | Quote |
An example. One of my friends is vaccinated against rabies every few years. Would I do that? No. The risk of the vaccine is greater than my risk of being exposed to the disease. But my friend is a veterinarian. She works as a matter of her profession with animals which may well be infected with the disease. For her the risk of the vaccine is far lower than doing without.
another commentator quote
Hey I got the three stage rabies vaccine in 2005 prior to heading down to gulf coast for relief work, happen to be FEMA certified in a few areas of disaster ( Know your enemies I always say , in actuality when martial law is in effect as it clearly was down there if you can't document to tPTB's satisfaction you generally cannot gain access to pertinent areas and info, also got typhoid, and a few others I can go get the immunization record if you like)
Point is unlike you say this is not about FEARING tech., you say if you fear it don't use it, what do you say when you fear it and the Govt. says it is required ( to put it nicely) That You Have No Choice?
Like the way they lump together childrens immunizations at a rate that is keeping pace with autism statistics by the way. What about teen girls being given at school unproven guardisil> Which has caused documented deaths? I 'm gonna be one more. I called all the mothers of girls down to 9yrs old and warned them when the notices came home to deny permission> When the said permission slip arrived as I told them it would, THEY SAID NO>
All were called by the schools>All were told Oh are you sure you don't want to> It may be required next year, wouldn't you rather get it out of the way? etc..
So Point of this post is not fear of technology> But the RIGHT TO SAY NO that is in question |
| '²³
User ID: 456207
7/31/2008 9:52 AM | | Re: "Worst coverup in the history of the military" Military personnel getting sick from vaccines-IMPORTANT | Quote |
excerpt from above link because debunkers do not really read the links
1898-1902 American servicemen in the Philippines were re-vaccinated every six (6) weeks. Yet there were 737 cases of smallpox with 261 deaths. (5)
1905 [prior to 1905] case mortality from smallpox was about 10%. (2)
1905 following the commencement of systematic vaccination mortality ranged from 25% to 50% in different parts of the islands. (2)
1918-1919 Smallpox epidemic resulted in 60,855 deaths. (2) with over 95% of the population vaccinated, the worst epidemic in the Philippine's history occurred resulting in a case mortality of 65%. The highest percentage occurred in the capital Manila, the most thoroughly vaccinated place. The lowest percentage occurred in Mindanao, the least vaccinated place owing to religious prejudices. (2) Quoting: PaaatRiot101 |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 129376
7/31/2008 10:01 AM | | Re: "Worst coverup in the history of the military" Military personnel getting sick from vaccines-IMPORTANT | Quote |
Also, when I was in the USAF I got all the necessary vaccinations
and I never had any problems. Quoting: DrPostman
Same here. No problems at all. |
| OneAngryMom 
User ID: 300939
7/31/2008 10:14 AM
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Also, when I was in the USAF I got all the necessary vaccinations
and I never had any problems.
Same here. No problems at all. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 129376
This thread is about the exceptions to the "rule". LOTS of individuals have no immediate reactions. Lots of reactions don't "show up" until later, and the resulting tests to determine the "cause" of latent disease processes are difficult to prove and document, due to the extreme bias in the medical community.
I have three children.
#1 "did fine" with only mild reactions to vaccinations.
#2 nearly died.....twice.....documented
#3 had none. She's the healthiest child I know.
They are ALL grown now. I have suggested that if my daughter become "sexually active" that she consider receiving some vaccinations that might outweigh the risk of serious disease (i.e., hep B). But common sense and a risk-free lifestyle will go much further in health, in my opinion. She's an adult. I can only advise and give as complete a picture as I possibly can.
If YOU had a brother who had such violent reactions to such things wouldn't YOU think twice.....or three times? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 421894
7/31/2008 10:24 AM | | Re: "Worst coverup in the history of the military" Military personnel getting sick from vaccines-IMPORTANT | Quote |
I am so glad to have read this thread. My husband also has had a huge blood clot and had 3 knee surgeries with unexplain deteroiated joints. No family history of this at all. He was standing in line all the time to get shots back in the 80's as well. Now I am livivid.
This so called government deserves anything that they get.
Fuck this government.
Your husband probably ate potatos and drank milk too. Why have you not tried to establish a causal relation with his problem and those actions?
Correlation does NOT equal causation. Most learn this in grade school, but some folks learn at a slower rate than others. Quoting: The Commentator
I agree with correlation doesn't equal causation, but the "new" scientific method IS meta-analyis (across studies) is "good enough". --- I don't like it, and I don't agree, but guess what --- that's the new deal. Go figure..... |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 421894
7/31/2008 10:33 AM | | Re: "Worst coverup in the history of the military" Military personnel getting sick from vaccines-IMPORTANT | Quote |
Hey, OneAngryMom Get a load of this DISINFORMATION Tactic -
He's making the GIANT Leap from Debilitating Vaccines to -
Your supposed to Abandon ALL Technology.
"One Giant Leap for Mankind" - NOT !!!
I Trust GLPers to see through this Disinfo -
I just wanted to point this one out to you.
You see, the Pharm Corps have DEEP Pockets for this kind of
thing.
Daniel
I know The Commentator personally, Daniel. You are way
off base about him.
Also, when I was in the USAF I got all the necessary vaccinations
and I never had any problems. Quoting: DrPostman
I'm glad you had no adverse effects. Thank goodness ! But keep in mind, if experiment drug trials ARE being done on military personnel --- one would have "control" groups to be able to compare differences. Not everyone would get "the treatment" by study design. Just a thought..... |
| Willie
User ID: 258111
7/31/2008 10:47 AM | | Re: "Worst coverup in the history of the military" Military personnel getting sick from vaccines-IMPORTANT | Quote |
Daniel (I assume)
Thank you for pinning this.
The trouble with this issue is that our soldiers are helpless to do or say ANYTHING or ask questions.
What's a mom to do? Quoting: OneAngryMom
Mamas, Don’t Let Your Babies Grow Up to be Soldiers
Mama don't let your babies grow up to be soldiers
Don't let 'em shoot rifles and kill off the folks
Make 'em be humans not government jokes
Mama don't let your babies grow up to be soldiers
They'll never stay home and they're always alone
Even with someone they love
Soldiers ain't easy to love and they're harder to hold
And they'd rather shoot guns than have lots of diamonds or gold
Soldier belt buckles and camouflaged pants begin each new day
See, you’ll no longer know him if he don't die young
He'll probably just fade away
Mama don't let your babies grow up to be soldiers
Don't let 'em shoot rifles and kill off the folks
Make 'em be humans, not government jokes
Mama don't let your babies grow up to be soldiers
They'll never stay home and they're always alone
Even with someone they love
Soldiers like smoky old pool rooms and clear mountain mornin's
Little warm puppies and children and girls of the night
And them that don't know him won't like him
And them that do sometimes won't know how to take him
He ain't evil Ma, he’s just been mind controlled
but his pride won't let him do things to make you think he's right
Mama don't let your babies grow up to be soldiers
Don't let 'em shoot rifles and kill off the folks
Make 'em be humans, not government jokes
Mama don't let your babies grow up to be soldiers
They'll never stay home and they're always alone
Even with someone they love
Mama don't let your babies grow up to be soldiers
Don't let 'em shoot rifles and kill off the folks
Make 'em be humans, not government jokes
(Adapted from Willie Nelson's "Mamas Don't Let Your Babies Grow Up To Be Cowboys") |
| SHR 
Forum Administrator
7/31/2008 11:07 AM
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That fake crap all comes from the same person, Eleanor McBean PhD, N.D.....it's over 30 years old, not one other credible scientist, doctor, or pretty much anyone that has read a history book that didn't have a heart shaped hole in the cover has ever agreed with, corroborated, or ever taken it seriously. One of her other books is 50 years old contains such other memorable quotes such as "we will never stamp out small pox on this planet, we will only stamp it in" plenty of her other "work" has also ended up being just as wrong. This tired old crap gets trotted out by disinformation scare mongers and re-printed fairly regularly, in pieces of course. Facts are facts, there was no such thing as a flu vaccine in 1918, scientists have since even dug up the actual virus that caused it, traced it's path fairly well also. We used to think Tomatoes were poison too, we know better now.
There will always be much disinformation and agent provocateurs out there who's mission is to make people appear frantic and uneducated, thus removing any credibility to whatever trend they don't want to exist. We've all seen it, home in on the most emotional and exploit that emotion, foment anger and argument, remove rational discussion and fact finding. Think of it like this, who will actually produce results? the person that confronts their family doctor with "VACCINES ARE POISON!!! AHHHH!!!! YOU WON'T POISON MY BABIES!!!!! AHHHHH!!!!" or the person that asks specifically what this vaccine is for, what type of preservative is in it, what is the brand name, then researches it, what are the possible side effects and is armed with actual knowledge and can make a reasonable and informed decision. Person one will probably be evaluated for child endangerment, person two might actually prompt their MD to learn something.
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| OneAngryMom
User ID: 300939
7/31/2008 11:07 AM
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Daniel (I assume)
Thank you for pinning this.
The trouble with this issue is that our soldiers are helpless to do or say ANYTHING or ask questions.
What's a mom to do?
Mamas, Don’t Let Your Babies Grow Up to be Soldiers
Mama don't let your babies grow up to be soldiers
Don't let 'em shoot rifles and kill off the folks
Make 'em be humans not government jokes
Mama don't let your babies grow up to be soldiers
They'll never stay home and they're always alone
Even with someone they love
Soldiers ain't easy to love and they're harder to hold
And they'd rather shoot guns than have lots of diamonds or gold
Soldier belt buckles and camouflaged pants begin each new day
See, you’ll no longer know him if he don't die young
He'll probably just fade away
Mama don't let your babies grow up to be soldiers
Don't let 'em shoot rifles and kill off the folks
Make 'em be humans, not government jokes
Mama don't let your babies grow up to be soldiers
They'll never stay home and they're always alone
Even with someone they love
Soldiers like smoky old pool rooms and clear mountain mornin's
Little warm puppies and children and girls of the night
And them that don't know him won't like him
And them that do sometimes won't know how to take him
He ain't evil Ma, he’s just been mind controlled
but his pride won't let him do things to make you think he's right
Mama don't let your babies grow up to be soldiers
Don't let 'em shoot rifles and kill off the folks
Make 'em be humans, not government jokes
Mama don't let your babies grow up to be soldiers
They'll never stay home and they're always alone
Even with someone they love
Mama don't let your babies grow up to be soldiers
Don't let 'em shoot rifles and kill off the folks
Make 'em be humans, not government jokes
(Adapted from Willie Nelson's "Mamas Don't Let Your Babies Grow Up To Be Cowboys") Quoting: Willie 258111
I appreciate the thought! Really I do.
What a conflict! I always hated it when I felt (when I was growing up) that I had to be something that my parents or even older siblings wanted me to be.
I hear it all the time on this board in particular, how men HATE IT when they grow up under a matriarchal influence that is manipulative and controlling. I didn't do this...and I'm amazed at those who suggest that it was my responsibility to prevent my young son from enlisting.
So...now...reality is that I either break my relationship with him entirely (which simply will not happen) or support him right where he is. I am not alone in this dilemma.
Where were all of the outspoken ones in the years pointing up to 9/11? Where were the school administrators and counselors who had nothing better to do than funnel young people toward the military in the name of a secret bonus from recruiters? Where were all of the closet anti-war individuals? Where were the pastors who preached their own brand of "Holy War" and "End Times" BULL SHIT. Where were the friends, and family, and neighbors who sat quietly and contentedly and lived in the bubble that said that "the government" would bail them out of all sorts of earthly ills if our young children were sacrificed one way or another?
Where were the middle-aged individuals who KNEW BETTER, but wouldn't say anything because traveling by bubble would keep them safer....and it would be SOMEONE ELSE'S KID AND NOT THEIRS?!?!
Who stood up and chased the recruiters from the schools and churches and civic clubs? Who even GAVE A FLIP?
Do you have ANY idea how helpless it feels as a mom, to realize the path that your son chose for himself, being powerless to do anything? I DON'T LIKE IT, but I won't criticize my son's chosen journey. I HAVE to believe that perhaps he's where he is to save someone else's ass, or at the very least...work something out inside of himself that few have the courage to dare to even consider! He's NOT a number to me...he's my BOY...all grown up as a MAN, living in a world that doesn't appreciate or understand HIM. I am NOT ALONE! He does his best just like ANY OTHER YOUNG MAN WHO IS EMPLOYED BY ANY TYRANNICAL EMPLOYER and doesn't know where the lines are exactly. Each one does the best they can. WHERE WERE THE TEACHERS who were spewing party lines and selling hopelessness for Nintendo games? WHO TAUGHT OUR CHILDREN TO BE REGURGITATERS of information and not LEARNERS of it?
If it "takes a village"....then the village that should have KNOWN BETTER has failed! It has failed miserably! And now, those of us who would like to impact the village logic are seen as heretical and threats! This doesn't make sense to me!
I don't like it...but I don't believe that hate and venomous words (NOT saying that the song lyrics above are that...just sayin...)are the answer.
Families are BROKEN ... and clearly HAVE fought a silent battle for many many years. It's nearly impossible to explain to anyone who has not had a similar experience.
So....pardon my defensiveness. I'm a hurting MOM. That's all. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 475706
7/31/2008 11:11 AM | | Re: "Worst coverup in the history of the military" Military personnel getting sick from vaccines-IMPORTANT | Quote |
I avoid all the ones I'm not actually ordered to take. I actually managed to avoid the flu shot this past winter. This is the first year I haven't even gotten a cold. Quoting: The Guy
I havent had a flu shot since i moved to the current state i live in now. Almost 10 years ago. I only become sick if i get into "very close contact" with someone else that is full blown sick from the flu. |
| FF
User ID: 456207
7/31/2008 11:16 AM | | Re: "Worst coverup in the history of the military" Military personnel getting sick from vaccines-IMPORTANT | Quote |
Flushots anyway are one stupid excuse to get you filled with mercury, I never had a flu nor cold since I regularly take a few natural effective remedies that don't have even the slightest side effect. |
| da wad
User ID: 476610
7/31/2008 11:25 AM | | Re: "Worst coverup in the history of the military" Military personnel getting sick from vaccines-IMPORTANT | Quote |
So i am supposed to believe you because you SAY you know what you are talking about? I don't think so. You must be one of those neocons or shillsI hear about, expecting people to believe things because they claim it is true. proof by repeated assertion is no proof at all, and serves to demonstrate the emptyness of your expertise.
Read all those? Of course you didn't, they contain big words, and I strongly suspect your lips get tired if you read too much.
Your luddite agenda is clear, you have utterly failed to establish a causal relationship between vaccines and the 1918 pandemic, a task that is quite beyond your intellectual capacity.
Of course if you did establish such a causal relation you would have a Nobel.
And you don't.
Your agenda is exposed.
QED.
Really?
Not a neocon
Not a shill
I already said I think I misunderstood your first post...but now I'm not sure I did.
Opinions are one thing...comments are another.
Really?...I have a clear agenda? Lips get tired if I read too much? You have much too high an opinion of yourself.
I missed the memo that said I had to reveal any of my education or qualifications to the likes of you.
And since I'm not the only one that has been so abruptly blazed by your insults, I have little need to defend.
Here's my agenda:
Immunizations nearly killed my son when he was 18 months old. When he enlisted and "went through the line" he spent 10 days in the infirmary near death. I'm torn between being thankful that there might be some hope of the party line that these vaccinations might prevent some horribly nasty disease and knowing the truth about them. I'm a mom, so pardon me for being emotional about the whole thing. It's been an educational process for about 26 years. I think it's wonderful that you were born with all of the knowledge and can be so superior to the rest of us, so if I am in your way, please pardon, your highness. I THOUGHT I was contributing something positive and informative. I'll remember to salute and sidestep when you enter next time.
(mumbling.....fucking jerkwad) Quoting: OneAngryMom
(mumbling.....fucking jerkwad)
LOL LOL You tell him Mom!
PS: I have two sons, both ex-military, and academy graduates. The elder son had two extensive surgeries for a brain tumor after leaving the military. His youngest boy was born without his lower intestine and they had to operate to somehow correct for that. Thankfully, that worked out okay after nearly two years or so. Was there a connection involved in these two semi-related situations? Don't know for sure. But you have to wonder sometimes, don't you? |
| ^TrInItY^
Forum Administrator
7/31/2008 11:34 AM
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A friend of mine went into the army.. He was perfectly healthy.. He passed all their health screenings to get in.
After he got the "vaccinations" he got very very sick... They eventually claimed it was leukemia. The guy was like 24 years old and perfectly fine before this...
I'm convinced there is a certain percentage of people that get these military vaccines that have extremely bad reactions to them (such as my friend)... and I'm convinced the geverment knows about this risk and has decided it is an acceptable loss rate.... the problem of course is that they don't warn the recruits that they could DIE from taking these shots or even offer them a choice in taking the shit! Nor do they compensate the ones that get desperately ill for years and eventually die from it!
He's been through hell over it and is expected to die soon...
He came down with this shit less than 2 weeks after getting his initial vacs in boot camp...
Few will listen,
Of the few who listen, fewer still will understand,
Understanding does not mean believe,
Of the handful who believe, most may not know what to do,
Those who even know, how many will actually do ?
And the rare ones who have done it.......
Need not listen to you anymore.
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| OneAngryMom
User ID: 300939
7/31/2008 11:48 AM
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A friend of mine went into the army.. He was perfectly healthy..
After he got the "vaccinations" he got very very sick... They eventually claimed it was leukemia. The guy was like 24 years old and perfectly fine before this...
I'm convinced there is a certain percentage of people that get these military vaccines that have extremely bad reactions to them (such as my friend)... and I'm convinced the geverment knows about this risk and has decided it is an acceptable loss rate.... the problem of course is that they don't warn the recruits that they could DIE from taking these shots or even offer them a choice in taking the shit! Nor do they compensate the ones that get desperately ill for years and eventually die from it!
He's been through hell over it and is expected to die soon...
He came down with this shit less than 2 weeks after getting his initial vacs in boot camp... Quoting: ^TrInItY^
OUCH!
It SUCKS!
Sorry to hear about your friend. |
| SHR
Forum Administrator
7/31/2008 11:53 AM
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Flushots anyway are one stupid excuse to get you filled with mercury, I never had a flu nor cold since I regularly take a few natural effective remedies that don't have even the slightest side effect. Quoting: FF 456207
Not all flu shots contain Thimerisol, the mercury based preservative. Unless you have something like emphysema or only half a lung left and stand an inordinately large chance of dying if you catch a cold, then there is no need for a flu shot, even then if people deploy some rationality to their own decision, they might find they don't need it. There are plenty of other vaccines that are also not needed, that Mumps vaccine for instance ans also that new HPV vaccine IMO. Some I do believe however are and have been proven effective and have eradicated or virtually so, some very nasty ailments on this planet, Polio and small pox come to mind there.
Even when it comes to those, if people ask what brand vaccine their doctor uses, research what is actually in it, what are the alternatives, the positives and the negatives and armed themselves with actual real fact based knowledge, they will probably find they will get much better and more effective results than screaming and blurting off a bunch of bullshit stories designed and or propagated to make people look exactly like a screaming irrational retard who nobody would ever take seriously at best, and consider them a danger to themselves and others at worst.
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| Da Wad -- for Mom
User ID: 476610
7/31/2008 12:26 PM | | Re: "Worst coverup in the history of the military" Military personnel getting sick from vaccines-IMPORTANT | Quote |
Mom ...
Re this thread topic, here's more. It's sort of personal yet germane. But I can't tell you the entire story. It's far too complex and hugely bizarre frankly.
My most recent wife was Russian. (I've had three wives so far, my kids were from my [American] first wife who was from a generational military family). Wife #3 also was in the Russian military and was a graduate of their military university [like our West Point]. That made her an officer. Became a captain actually. They take the vaccine treatments as well although I don't recall exactly what they have to take over there. I saw her medical papers when we tried to do the alien petition routine with the INS. INS saw her Russian army medical records but told her she needed to have certain vaccines re-administered here, I guess as "booster" shots.
When she discovered they were going to require further vaccine shots here, she flipped out. She was catagorically opposed to vaccines [from personal experience I gathered]. The whole idea of more vaccine treatments mortified her and we had some very tense moments over that business. I even told her from the get go, if you wish not to do that stuff I would understand. But that decision would have also nixed her chances of becoming naturalized here. She knew that, and relented to doing the re-immunization business here. Her decision, I never forced her. And since that time she was never quite the same and claimed she was often feeling not so well. I felt bad about those episodes. We are now divorced (by circumstance)and she is back home in Russia. I assume she's doing okay but I don''t know, especially after nearly nine months of silence on her part. At one point she had told me she was having thyroid diffictulties and was being treated for that there.
Her belief was that this all started following those immunization vaccines she had taken here in the US. Could be so. But we may never know for sure. Best to avoid them if at all posssible perhaps. Clearly they do strange things to people sometimes, with lasting consequences. |
| FreeFlow
User ID: 456207
7/31/2008 12:27 PM | | Re: "Worst coverup in the history of the military" Military personnel getting sick from vaccines-IMPORTANT | Quote |
Even when it comes to those, if people ask what brand vaccine their doctor uses, research what is actually in it, what are the alternatives, the positives and the negatives and armed themselves with actual real fact based knowledge, ... Quoting: SHR
Good idea but most blindly trust that medicines aren't dangerous at all and that the docs give them the best.
Of course the more you hear stories like the OP here the more you're alarmed. Tho for many it's too late already, like Trinity said the govt is bound to warn about dangers, or much better they throw those vaccinations that are harmful to such a relative high percentage out of their arsenal in cases where vaccinations even make sense. |
| NightWisp
User ID: 11262
7/31/2008 12:44 PM
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Can we say.... GULF WAR SYNDROME? All together now... |
| Psychotronic420
User ID: 476661
7/31/2008 1:19 PM
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In the 80's i got 20+ shots in basic training at ft.Benning.My arms hurt like hell for days from them and the 100's of daily push ups.I always have felt the shots affected my brain.I have had a hard time focusing on anything and I think it's the mercury.Every time you turned around they were giving you shots. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 279896
Same thing here, I was in 84-88 USN. I worked as an AWS/AMS aircrewmen and was exposed to many more "vaccines" than the average servicemen, due to the areas of the world in which we operated.
Took many years after I got out before I started feeling normal again (Thank you MaryJane!!), even went through a brief period where the doc had me on Zoloft because they didnt know what else to try I suppose,
well I had finally had enough and quit all the quack pharma and have returned to natural foods and supplements, flush the system and rebuild.
Cheers
Would like to add that I was engaged in '96 and we were expecting a child, long story short she ended up miscarrying the child and things went downhill with the relationship from there....was it caused from my military service or just gods will??? not sure...just sayin' |
| Daniel
User ID: 368082
7/31/2008 1:29 PM | | Re: "Worst coverup in the history of the military" Military personnel getting sick from vaccines-IMPORTANT | Quote |
My Mother's family was almost WIPED OUT by the
Spanish Flu. Her Father and only ONE of his sisters
survived - just the two of them.
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<------- RE: Flu shot. She asked the doctor about the Mercury
or Thimerosol- He had NO IDEA what she was talking about.
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Some lady representing YOUR Government was on the National
news saying ALL Mercury was removed from (Flu shots or
vaccines - Don't remember for sure) and a few days later or a
month - YUP - Mercury/Thimerosol was still in the Vaccine.
Your GovernmentWhite House at Work!!!
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Lest we Forget during the Mad Cow Disease incident in Wash
STate - The CDC was putting out their own PR Material.
As was Discussed here in GLP - the White House put a STOP to
that. The CDC and ALL Government agencies needed to "Clear"
their Releases through the White House First.
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[link to educate-yourself.org]
The Flu: 1918 and Now
Forward from Inge Hanle <hanle@uniserve.com>: FEBRUARY 7, 2004. You may have noticed that researchers are now saying they have analyzed the virus that caused the 1918 global pandemic of flu. They are linking it to a bird virus, which stirs the pot on the current flap about avian flu in Asia. The PR goes this way: If this current bird virus mutates just a little bit in the wrong direction, we could see a replay of the 1918 disaster.
Here is another analysis, written about 25 years ago by Eleanor McBean. This excerpt, from chapter two of her book, Vaccination Condemned, makes a quite different observation:
You'll have to read that at the link - I find a First hand account of the Spanish Flu - ENLIGHTENING.
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From the same Link:
{{{MERCURY LEVELS IN CHILDREN'S BLOOD
FEBRUARY 7, 2004. The Washington Post reports on a new EPA study that shows twice as many newborn babies have dangerous levels of the neurotoxin mercury than previously suspected.
There are two possible key inferences here: one, these dangerous levels of mercury are being pushed over the top by vaccines given shortly after birth; or the babies' mercury levels are being measured before these vaccines are given---in which case certain vaccines are passing on yet MORE mercury.
In either case, it's a disaster in progress.}}}
Gee - Published in the Wash Post just 4 years ago.
TWICE as many newborns with Dangerous levels.
Seems that is NOT important to some people !!!
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{{{From Chapter 2 - Survival Factor in Neoplastic and Viral Diseases
By Dr. William Koch (published 1961)}}}
Read at link.
Facts and STats from 1961 - Emphasizing that Vaccines have been an ISSUE for a long time.
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Spanish Flu - enter that into Search and I found
14 Threads -
1918 Spanish Flu / Rockefeller Research
A later equally comprehensive, multi-volume British study of the pandemic agreed with Jordan. It too found no evidence for the influenza's origin in the Orient, it too rejected the 1916 outbreak among British troops, and it too concluded, "The disease was probably carried from the United States to Europe [5]."
Australian Nobel laureate MacFarlane Burnet spent most of his scientific career working on influenza and studied the pandemic closely. He too concluded that the evidence was "strongly suggestive" that the disease started in the United States and spread with "the arrival of American troops in France [6]."
Both contemporary epidemiological studies and lay histories of the pandemic have identified the first known outbreak of epidemic influenza as occurring at Camp Funston, now Ft. Riley, in Kansas. But there was one place where a previously unknown – and remarkable – epidemic of influenza occurred.
Haskell County, Kansas, lay three hundred miles to the west of Funston.
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Vaccine not virus responsible for Spanish flu
Alert !! Ebola - 1918 Spanish Flu Pandemic - Recurring
Study likens modern avian bug to 1918 Spanish Flu
1918 Spanish Flu - Came From Birds (Suprise...suprise)
´Spanish Flu´ pandemic came from U.S. base
Study likens modern avian bug to 1918 Spanish Flu
Terrorists Targeting US Center For Disease Control and American University Escape With Secret Documents And 1918 Spanish Flu Virus Samples
Current avian flu is even more dangerous than 1918 Spanish flu pandemic
BIRD FLU: H5N1 SAME VIRUS AS SPANISH FLU (50 MLN DEATHS)
BIRD FLU: H5N1 SAME VIRUS AS SPANISH FLU - Link
Bird flu most deadly in teens and young adults, eerie echo of Spanish flu
SPANISH FLU" MAN-MADE?
reviving the 1918 spanish flu
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POLIO - I know -
I have one size 13 foot and one size 9 1/2 Foot -
attributed to Polio when I was taken to a Specialist
at 7 yrs old. Born in 1946 vaccine was not an option.
I was LUCKY - didn't hinder me much.
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READ & RESEARCH - above all -
Do Your Own CRITICAL THINKING !!!
Daniel
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| FreeFlow
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7/31/2008 1:32 PM | | Re: "Worst coverup in the history of the military" Military personnel getting sick from vaccines-IMPORTANT | Quote |
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<------- RE: Flu shot. She asked the doctor about the Mercury
or Thimerosol- He had NO IDEA what she was talking about.
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Some lady representing YOUR Government was on the National
news saying ALL Mercury was removed from (Flu shots or
vaccines - Don't remember for sure) and a few days later or a
month - YUP - Mercury/Thimerosol was still in the Vaccine.
Your GovernmentWhite House at Work!!!
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........... Quoting: Daniel
^^SHR read this please^^ |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 476679
7/31/2008 1:44 PM | | Re: "Worst coverup in the history of the military" Military personnel getting sick from vaccines-IMPORTANT | Quote |
I watched the video that started this thread and a thought came to mind. Maybe...just maybe, the military is giving that shot to test it out on humans and that's why they didn't mark it on his chart. WOW...this is TERRIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| SHR
Forum Administrator
7/31/2008 2:09 PM
| | Re: "Worst coverup in the history of the military" Military personnel getting sick from vaccines-IMPORTANT | Quote |
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<------- RE: Flu shot. She asked the doctor about the Mercury
or Thimerosol- He had NO IDEA what she was talking about.
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Some lady representing YOUR Government was on the National
news saying ALL Mercury was removed from (Flu shots or
vaccines - Don't remember for sure) and a few days later or a
month - YUP - Mercury/Thimerosol was still in the Vaccine.
Your GovernmentWhite House at Work!!!
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^^SHR read this please^^ Quoting: FreeFlow
Typical unsubstantiated Bullshit story from Daniel, on par with most of his others. Shows why you need to educate yourself. Thimerisol is still available, and is fact in most flu vaccine, it never has been removed, never made illegal. I can make up something like, "I saw this Gubnant doctor saying I would grow 10 feet tall if I ate Plutonium!, don't remember where, not sure when, But HE SAID IT!" Lol....sure...I would like nothing more than for you to go repeat that a few times so you look like an idiot.
The actually facts of reality are that there are flu vaccines available that do not contain Thimerisol, which I believe is dangerous no matter the CDC says. If someone absolutely needs to have a flu shot? then request the vaccine that doesn't contain it, or go find the doctor that uses one and just don't put it in your body if you don't want to.
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| SHR
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7/31/2008 2:10 PM
| | Re: "Worst coverup in the history of the military" Military personnel getting sick from vaccines-IMPORTANT | Quote |
A friend of mine went into the army.. He was perfectly healthy.. He passed all their health screenings to get in.
After he got the "vaccinations" he got very very sick... They eventually claimed it was leukemia. The guy was like 24 years old and perfectly fine before this...
I'm convinced there is a certain percentage of people that get these military vaccines that have extremely bad reactions to them (such as my friend)... and I'm convinced the geverment knows about this risk and has decided it is an acceptable loss rate.... the problem of course is that they don't warn the recruits that they could DIE from taking these shots or even offer them a choice in taking the shit! Nor do they compensate the ones that get desperately ill for years and eventually die from it!
He's been through hell over it and is expected to die soon...
He came down with this shit less than 2 weeks after getting his initial vacs in boot camp... Quoting: ^TrInItY^
That sucks.
Swine flu shot killed my grandfather, not fast, but gave him some syndrome, Gillian Barre syndrome I think it was called, was a long time ago. He was a real healthy older guy, could kick some ass let me tell ya. Went to move to Florida several years after being retired and living in upstate NY, the winters were just getting too rough for him to handle on his 5 acres. Got that Swine flu shot before he left, got real sick very shortly after and was never the same again, lasted a bit more than 5 years, but had all sorts of real bad health problems since. They were real sure it was the shot, even talked to an attorney about it, but were told they'd have to get doctors to testify against doctors that the SF shot was definitely the cause and that would just likely never happen.
No doubt there is a risk factor with all these vaccines, all medicine for that matter, even some of the naturalpathy ones, but this blindly taking them, and often just blindly giving them has got to go. People need to stop thinking of Doctors as some kind of Gods and question them more. Too many IMO squirt out chemicals like a fuckin bottomless Pez dispenser as per some guideline they got in a brochure from guess where....the pharma manufacturer of course. Ask them what they are prescribing you and why, if it isn't really seriously necessary then why would you want to take it?
Trust me if you have some general knowledge and ask sane questions it works. I asked a doctor once for someone else, why they had this terminal cancer patient with less than a couple of months to live taking a cholesterol medicine. He looked at me like I had an arm growing out of my face. I said why should they continue to pay for that, when it is just not going to be any real benefit? not to mention any possible unwanted interactions with all the other meds? He said, "You're right, we can take her off that"...and did. That didn't have any real health benefits, but at least it saved them a few bucks.
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| SHR
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7/31/2008 2:13 PM
| | Re: "Worst coverup in the history of the military" Military personnel getting sick from vaccines-IMPORTANT | Quote |
Even when it comes to those, if people ask what brand vaccine their doctor uses, research what is actually in it, what are the alternatives, the positives and the negatives and armed themselves with actual real fact based knowledge, ...
Good idea but most blindly trust that medicines aren't dangerous at all and that the docs give them the best.
Of course the more you hear stories like the OP here the more you're alarmed. Tho for many it's too late already, like Trinity said the govt is bound to warn about dangers, or much better they throw those vaccinations that are harmful to such a relative high percentage out of their arsenal in cases where vaccinations even make sense. Quoting: FreeFlow
So don't blindly trust what you hear and teach others to do the same. You have a brain, use it.
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| Anonymous Coward
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7/31/2008 2:37 PM | | Re: "Worst coverup in the history of the military" Military personnel getting sick from vaccines-IMPORTANT | Quote |
My coworker was in the 90 Gulf war. They lined up the soldiers for shots. When he got toward the front of the line he looked one of the vials, it said "experimental" on it. Somehow he conned his way out of getting the shot. All of his fellow soldiers who got the shot came down with "Gulf war syndrome" and he did not. |
| Anonymous Coward
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7/31/2008 2:52 PM | | Re: "Worst coverup in the history of the military" Military personnel getting sick from vaccines-IMPORTANT | Quote |
I have looked everywhere and I can not find any proof vaccines work. |
| DrPostman
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7/31/2008 3:23 PM
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excerpt from above link because debunkers do not really read the links
1898-1902 American servicemen in the Philippines were re-vaccinated every six (6) weeks. Yet there were 737 cases of smallpox with 261 deaths. (5)
1905 [prior to 1905] case mortality from smallpox was about 10%. (2)
1905 following the commencement of systematic vaccination mortality ranged from 25% to 50% in different parts of the islands. (2)
1918-1919 Smallpox epidemic resulted in 60,855 deaths. (2) with over 95% of the population vaccinated, the worst epidemic in the Philippine's history occurred resulting in a case mortality of 65%. The highest percentage occurred in the capital Manila, the most thoroughly vaccinated place. The lowest percentage occurred in Mindanao, the least vaccinated place owing to religious prejudices. (2) Quoting: PaaatRiot101
Everything from that link is from 1920. And it's funny that
you would want to use Smallpox as an example. That disease
killed anywhere from 300 to 500 million people in the 20th
century. Yet, after a successful vaccination campaign the
WHO was able to declare Smallpox eradicated in 1979. How
do you explain that?
I have looked everywhere and I can not find any proof vaccines work. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 476704
Except for the eradication of Smallpox.
[link to www.who.int]
And yea, there was this Polio thing that put thousands
of children in iron lungs. Those are all still around,
right? Cholera, diphtheria, typhus still run rampant in
the US, right?
Yea, no proof that they work.
I swear it seems that some of you want to bring back the
horror of Polio and Smallpox.
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| Daniel
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7/31/2008 3:36 PM | | Re: "Worst coverup in the history of the military" Military personnel getting sick from vaccines-IMPORTANT | Quote |
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<------- RE: Flu shot. She asked the doctor about the Mercury
or Thimerosol- He had NO IDEA what she was talking about.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Some lady representing YOUR Government was on the National
news saying ALL Mercury was removed from (Flu shots or
vaccines - Don't remember for sure) and a few days later or a
month - YUP - Mercury/Thimerosol was still in the Vaccine.
Your GovernmentWhite House at Work!!!
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^^SHR read this please^^
Typical unsubstantiated Bullshit story from Daniel, on par with most of his others. Shows why you need to educate yourself. Thimerisol is still available, and is fact in most flu vaccine, it never has been removed, never made illegal. I can make up something like, "I saw this Gubnant doctor saying I would grow 10 feet tall if I ate Plutonium!, don't remember where, not sure when, But HE SAID IT!" Lol....sure...I would like nothing more than for you to go repeat that a few times so you look like an idiot.
The actually facts of reality are that there are flu vaccines available that do not contain Thimerisol, which I believe is dangerous no matter the CDC says. If someone absolutely needs to have a flu shot? then request the vaccine that doesn't contain it, or go find the doctor that uses one and just don't put it in your body if you don't want to.
[ link to www.cdc.gov]
[link to www.wxyz.com]
Anchor Lead:
It’s the controversy that won’t go away. Is the skyrocketing rate of Autism in children due in any way to the mercury long contained in childhood vaccines? It’s an issue our chief investigative reporter Steve Wilson has stayed with from the start…and Steve will science ever answer this one?
WATCH STEVE'S EXTENDED REPORT IN THE VIDEO PLAYER ON THE RIGHT
Wilson Live Open:
It could happen one day but only if researchers keep looking… and with 1 in 150 children now diagnosed with Autism in this country—more than 100 new, young victims every single day—a lot of skeptical parents and others believe there’s a big incentive for industry and government to cover up the truth.
Dr. Renee Jenkins, M.D./Pediatrician: I don’t think anybody is saying you want to inject mercury. (Wilson) Why would I do it? Why would I allow it to happen? (Jenkins) Well, for routine vaccinations, we don’t allow it to happen.”
A loving grandmother and president of the American Academy of Pediatrics, Dr. Renee Jenkins is among those in medicine, in government, in the media, pretty much telling parents this problem’s been solved…there is no mercury in the routine schedule of childhood vaccines anymore, except maybe just “trace” amounts. She’s talking about a mercury-based vaccine preservative called Thimerosal…and the truth is there’s still as much as ever in 11 vaccines including most flu vaccines injected into pregnant women and kids, and some of them younger than 9 get two doses in a season. And also high levels of mercury from Thimerosal in tetanus shots and the boosters routinely injected into 11-year-olds…and also in some meningitis and diphtheria-tetanus formulas, too.
Heidi Scheer/Mother of Autistic Child: …and I know for a fact people that have gone to their physician and have been told there was no Thimerosal in their vaccine, then the parents asked to see the package insert and they find it there.
Mrs. Michigan joined parents of other autistic children marching on Washington just recently not only to alert new parents but to point out the half-million children already stricken, they believe by the large doses of mercury they got in the increasing number of vaccines the government and their doctors recommended.
A congressional committee that studied the matter has already concluded: “Thimerosal…is directly related to the Autism epidemic.”
It could have been prevented or curtailed “had the FDA not been asleep at the switch” allowing the untested toxic to be part of the vaccine recipe, something the committee report blamed on “misplaced protectionism of the pharmaceutical industry.”
Presidential candidate John McCain says now there’s “strong evidence” of a link between skyrocketing Autism and the mercury in vaccines. Boyd Haley is a scientist and pioneer in the study of this issue.
Dr. Boyd Haley/Researcher: And I want to talk to a lot of the journalists here because you’re a big part of the problem. Most of you… (crowd cheering) … you’ve allowed the CDC to hijack what’s perceived as the science of Autism. There hasn’t been one publication ever published where Thimerosal was tested against a living cell, a living animal, where it wasn’t found to be severely toxic, psydotoxic and neurotoxic, and yet you can go in there and they’ll tell you ‘Oh we know it’s not connected.’ Why don’t you go read the papers?
Some examples of the scientific papers he’s talking about?
• A study of monkeys that showed vaccinated primates showed increased neurological disorders and non-social behavior similar to Autism;
• Another animal study that shows the kind of mercury used in vaccines ends up in the brain and stays twice as long as the mercury in fish;
• A study of vaccination records which seems to match increased Autism with increased vaccinations containing mercury.
And then there’s the circumstantial evidence:
UPI found only 4 cases of Autism among a community of 22,000 Amish people who generally shun vaccines. Statistically there should be about 130.
Robert Kennedy/Environmentalist: …and three of them were adopted after receiving their vaccines and the fourth on lived outwards of a coal-burning power-plant
Environmentalist Robert F. Kennedy has also studied the issue and wrote about it in a recent edition of Rolling Stone. America hasn’t heard enough of the truth, he too believes, partly because the mainstream media too often just blindly reports the press releases of mainstream medicine and public health agencies and Congress is too slow to act.
Robert Kennedy: So we know what the truth is…and let’s not let them go another day without some legislation banning this stuff!
And then there are those remarkably similar stories from tens of thousands of parents who say within hours of vaccination, their children became withdrawn, socially uncontrollable…and ultimately diagnosed with Autism.
Amy Carson/Moms Against Mercury: And I have full medical proof that I have a very mercury-toxic 11-year-old child. I gave birth to a very healthy child, a very neuro-typical, normal child who changed with each set of vaccines. But I kept vaccinating because I didn’t know any better.
On the other hand, while no study has proved to a scientific certainty that vaccinations have or have not caused a single case of Autism…the government has now conceded the link in the case of Hannah Poling.
Her parents say she developed Autism right after she received five vaccinations in a single day. Now, perhaps she was particularly vulnerable due to a pre-existing condition but the government concession of a vaccine-Autism link in the first of 5,000 such cases pending gives hope to other claimants.
Meanwhile, many parents say there’s no proof because there’s been no serious effort to look.
Indeed, in its last report on the issue issued after this 2004 meeting, the government’s Institute of Medicine said there’s no point in further research. If a link was found, they reasoned, it might risk “the broader benefit of the current vaccine program.”
The health editor of US News & World Report, Bernadine Healy, herself a physician and a former director of the National Institutes of Health, says public health officials have been too quick to dismiss the possibility of a link…
And even the current head of the Centers for Disease Control now seems to agree…
Dr. Julie Gerberding/CDC Director: …But it’s kind of our job to do the science and help clarify and separate concern from scientific fact… Autism is a huge challenge and it is much more common than anybody realized and we need to do more.
And back in Washington again, Robert Kennedy is not the first to ridicule the “science” that is often cited to show there is no problem here.
Robert Kennedy/Environmentalist: …and I saw studies that weren’t good. It wasn’t even high-quality fraud. This is low-quality fraud. You don’t even need a scientist to tell you where the fraud is.
In his Rolling Stone article, Kennedy lays out evidence of what he calls “a chilling case of institutional arrogance, power and greed.”
His own research has convinced him that Congressional committee was right: for many years vaccine makers and government health officials have colluded to cover up the true dangers of mercury in vaccines. As actor Jim Carey put it at that rally in Washington…
Jim Carey/Actor: And I certainly wouldn’t trust the drug companies to regulate themselves. God knows they’re too busy fighting the scourge of Restless Leg Syndrome!
Carey’s involved now that he shares his life with actress Jenny McCarthy and her son Evan who also contracted Autism which has improved considerably with diet and special treatments.
So now, to keep things in perspective, even in wake of all you’ve seen and heard, what do most parents of allegedly vaccine-damaged children say you should do when it comes to your own child or one you care about?
Jackie Martin Sibell/Mother of Autistic Child We’re not anti-vaccine. We do believe in vaccines. We know that they are doing a lot of good. We know that without them people would be dying
Sheryl Melling/Mother of Autistic Child: We all love our children. We all want to protect our children. We don’t want our children to get diseases but on the other hand we certainly don’t want our children to get a neurological disorder that is lifelong as well. We want to make this vaccine safer so that we can all have trust in what we’re injecting our children.
Tara Glaspie/Mother of Autistic Child: I would never tell anyone don’t vaccinate your child but I would definitely tell them to do the research and make sure your comfortable with the decision you make.
And the final word from the doctor who heads the American Academy of Pediatrics, an organization, by the way, that called for the removal of all mercury from vaccines nearly 10 years ago.
Dr. Renee Jenkins, MD/American Academy of Pediatrics: …the progress we made in keeping children from dying from disease that we give them immunizations for is very important. I think that over the time that we begin vaccinating children we’ve made these vaccines safer and safer as they’ve developed…so what you are looking at is not ‘here is a perfectly healthy child and I’m giving them something that has no benefit. It has tremendous benefit.
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GLPers - I sthis Substantiated enough ???
This sounds like the one I was referring to.
Do Your own Critical Thinking !!!
Daniel
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 476719
7/31/2008 3:39 PM | | Re: "Worst coverup in the history of the military" Military personnel getting sick from vaccines-IMPORTANT | Quote |
There are no scientific papers or clinical studies from reputable universities that prove vaccines work. |
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