"Worst coverup in the history of the military" Military personnel getting sick from vaccines-IMPORTANT

There are no scientific papers or clinical studies from reputable universities that prove vaccines work.

excerpt from above link because debunkers do not really read the links

1898-1902 American servicemen in the Philippines were re-vaccinated every six (6) weeks. Yet there were 737 cases of smallpox with 261 deaths. (5)
1905 [prior to 1905] case mortality from smallpox was about 10%. (2)
1905 following the commencement of systematic vaccination mortality ranged from 25% to 50% in different parts of the islands. (2)
1918-1919 Smallpox epidemic resulted in 60,855 deaths. (2) with over 95% of the population vaccinated, the worst epidemic in the Philippine's history occurred resulting in a case mortality of 65%. The highest percentage occurred in the capital Manila, the most thoroughly vaccinated place. The lowest percentage occurred in Mindanao, the least vaccinated place owing to religious prejudices. (2)


Everything from that link is from 1920. And it's funny that
you would want to use Smallpox as an example. That disease
killed anywhere from 300 to 500 million people in the 20th
century. Yet, after a successful vaccination campaign the
WHO was able to declare Smallpox eradicated in 1979. How
do you explain that?







I have looked everywhere and I can not find any proof vaccines work.


Except for the eradication of Smallpox.
[link to www.who.int]
And yea, there was this Polio thing that put thousands
of children in iron lungs. Those are all still around,
right? Cholera, diphtheria, typhus still run rampant in
the US, right?

Yea, no proof that they work.


I swear it seems that some of you want to bring back the
horror of Polio and Smallpox.

You are either a megaphonie or very uninformed. People like you really should be inoculated.

GLPers - I sthis Substantiated enough ???

This sounds like the one I was referring to.

Do Your own Critical Thinking !!!
Daniel

excerpt from above link because debunkers do not really read the links

1898-1902 American servicemen in the Philippines were re-vaccinated every six (6) weeks. Yet there were 737 cases of smallpox with 261 deaths. (5)
1905 [prior to 1905] case mortality from smallpox was about 10%. (2)
1905 following the commencement of systematic vaccination mortality ranged from 25% to 50% in different parts of the islands. (2)
1918-1919 Smallpox epidemic resulted in 60,855 deaths. (2) with over 95% of the population vaccinated, the worst epidemic in the Philippine's history occurred resulting in a case mortality of 65%. The highest percentage occurred in the capital Manila, the most thoroughly vaccinated place. The lowest percentage occurred in Mindanao, the least vaccinated place owing to religious prejudices. (2)


OKAY commentator Got that ?

I read the info I put out there.

You are either a megaphonie or very uninformed. People like you really should be inoculated.


It's a simple question. What happened to Smallpox? It
killed 300 to 500 million people in the 20th century, yet
it was eradicated by 1979. A "phony" is someone who won't
address that fact.

Better sanitation doesn't explain how it was
eradicated in
countries that lack that to this day.

Why can't you explain how Polio went away in the US when 60
years ago thousands of children were condemned to iron lungs?

I have looked everywhere and I can not find any proof vaccines work.

excerpt from above link because debunkers do not really read the links

1898-1902 American servicemen in the Philippines were re-vaccinated every six (6) weeks. Yet there were 737 cases of smallpox with 261 deaths. (5)
1905 [prior to 1905] case mortality from smallpox was about 10%. (2)
1905 following the commencement of systematic vaccination mortality ranged from 25% to 50% in different parts of the islands. (2)
1918-1919 Smallpox epidemic resulted in 60,855 deaths. (2) with over 95% of the population vaccinated, the worst epidemic in the Philippine's history occurred resulting in a case mortality of 65%. The highest percentage occurred in the capital Manila, the most thoroughly vaccinated place. The lowest percentage occurred in Mindanao, the least vaccinated place owing to religious prejudices. (2)


Everything from that link is from 1920. And it's funny that
you would want to use Smallpox as an example. That disease
killed anywhere from 300 to 500 million people in the 20th
century. Yet, after a successful vaccination campaign the
WHO was able to declare Smallpox eradicated in 1979. How
do you explain that?







I have looked everywhere and I can not find any proof vaccines work.


Except for the eradication of Smallpox.
[link to www.who.int]
And yea, there was this Polio thing that put thousands
of children in iron lungs. Those are all still around,
right? Cholera, diphtheria, typhus still run rampant in
the US, right?

Yea, no proof that they work.


I swear it seems that some of you want to bring back the
horror of Polio and Smallpox.



DP....with all due respect....
Since both my grandfather and great grandfather were MD's during the onset of some of these horrible disease epidemics, my family was acutely aware of many components of treating and managing diseases. It was just a part of what we grew up with.

Having described some of my own experience with my own children, I can appreciate some of what you said. I will say to you the same thing I've come to realize:
The vaccine for Polio is/was given in a sugar-cube and was INGESTED. MOST ANYONE who got polio after the initial threat of the epidemic, got it by handling poopie diapers back before they didn't have disposables and wet-wipes. Moms would swish out cloth diapers in the toilet! WOW THAT'S SANITARY!!

Smallpox spread like wildfire because of close quartered living/orphanages/social gatherings, and lack of soap and water to wash - more than anything else.

When basic sanitation, quarantine, and common sense rule the day, especially during outbreaks of deadly disease, the magnitude of the epidemic is far more manageable even without immunization.

What is being done today with compulsory and mass immunizations does not take some basic common sense into consideration IMHO. It's pretty clear that "Big Pharma" makes money on what it chooses and this has been revealed and proven again and again!

As for those who think it's easy to just request that an MD use specific injections...that's insane. The doctors don't have separate supplies of toxin free vaccines just hanging around the office. Any parent who takes a young child into the doctor's office and puts up ANY KIND OF fuss about routine immunizations IS REPORTED and considered abusive these days. It shouldn't have to be this way!

My granddaughter's mom took her in for routine injections. She indicated (even demanded) that she be given only TWO of the god-knows-how-many BATCH injections. This female doctor freeking flipped out and threatened to call DFS if "mom" didn't comply with the recommended dosage and schedule! That's a hell of a lot of leverage and power for an MD to have AND USE! It's just NOT RIGHT!

Same with (back to the topic) military personnel. They can say exactly WHAT?!?! It's absurd! Didn't it seem weird to you that "Rumsy" had only ONE qualification to be the Director of Defense?........his connection and corporate status with pharmaceuticals? c'mon......those don't take the skill of a rocket scientist to connect....and it's just not right IMHO.

ah c'mon
BETWEEN 300 to 500million people?
That's a difference of TWENTY MILLION PEOPLE? What kind of research goes into a statistic like this for crying out loud? That's nothing but a shot in the dark and a drum-roll statistic that ridiculous!

Do you really believe that vaccination against small pox is the only thing that made a difference in eradicating this disease? Didn't sanitation, awareness, quarantine, early detection and less spread of individuals who were infected or exposed have anything to do with this? Look at how these positive simple sanitation and water run-off/capture/purification advances changed things from 1920 - 1980!

My Mother's family was almost WIPED OUT by the

Spanish Flu. Her Father and only ONE of his sisters

survived - just the two of them.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

<------- RE: Flu shot. She asked the doctor about the Mercury

or Thimerosol- He had NO IDEA what she was talking about.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Some lady representing YOUR Government was on the National

news saying ALL Mercury was removed from (Flu shots or

vaccines - Don't remember for sure) and a few days later or a

month - YUP - Mercury/Thimerosol was still in the Vaccine.

Your GovernmentWhite House at Work!!!
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Lest we Forget during the Mad Cow Disease incident in Wash

STate - The CDC was putting out their own PR Material.

As was Discussed here in GLP - the White House put a STOP to

that. The CDC and ALL Government agencies needed to "Clear"

their Releases through the White House First.
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[link to educate-yourself.org]

The Flu: 1918 and Now

Forward from Inge Hanle <hanle@uniserve.com>: FEBRUARY 7, 2004. You may have noticed that researchers are now saying they have analyzed the virus that caused the 1918 global pandemic of flu. They are linking it to a bird virus, which stirs the pot on the current flap about avian flu in Asia. The PR goes this way: If this current bird virus mutates just a little bit in the wrong direction, we could see a replay of the 1918 disaster.

Here is another analysis, written about 25 years ago by Eleanor McBean. This excerpt, from chapter two of her book, Vaccination Condemned, makes a quite different observation:

You'll have to read that at the link - I find a First hand account of the Spanish Flu - ENLIGHTENING.
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From the same Link:

{{{MERCURY LEVELS IN CHILDREN'S BLOOD

FEBRUARY 7, 2004. The Washington Post reports on a new EPA study that shows twice as many newborn babies have dangerous levels of the neurotoxin mercury than previously suspected.

There are two possible key inferences here: one, these dangerous levels of mercury are being pushed over the top by vaccines given shortly after birth; or the babies' mercury levels are being measured before these vaccines are given---in which case certain vaccines are passing on yet MORE mercury.

In either case, it's a disaster in progress.}}}

Gee - Published in the Wash Post just 4 years ago.

TWICE as many newborns with Dangerous levels.

Seems that is NOT important to some people !!!
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{{{From Chapter 2 - Survival Factor in Neoplastic and Viral Diseases

By Dr. William Koch (published 1961)}}}

Read at link.

Facts and STats from 1961 - Emphasizing that Vaccines have been an ISSUE for a long time.
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Spanish Flu - enter that into Search and I found

14 Threads -

1918 Spanish Flu / Rockefeller Research
A later equally comprehensive, multi-volume British study of the pandemic agreed with Jordan. It too found no evidence for the influenza's origin in the Orient, it too rejected the 1916 outbreak among British troops, and it too concluded, "The disease was probably carried from the United States to Europe [5]."

Australian Nobel laureate MacFarlane Burnet spent most of his scientific career working on influenza and studied the pandemic closely. He too concluded that the evidence was "strongly suggestive" that the disease started in the United States and spread with "the arrival of American troops in France [6]."

Both contemporary epidemiological studies and lay histories of the pandemic have identified the first known outbreak of epidemic influenza as occurring at Camp Funston, now Ft. Riley, in Kansas. But there was one place where a previously unknown – and remarkable – epidemic of influenza occurred.

Haskell County, Kansas, lay three hundred miles to the west of Funston.
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Vaccine not virus responsible for Spanish flu

Alert !! Ebola - 1918 Spanish Flu Pandemic - Recurring

Study likens modern avian bug to 1918 Spanish Flu

1918 Spanish Flu - Came From Birds (Suprise...suprise)

´Spanish Flu´ pandemic came from U.S. base

Study likens modern avian bug to 1918 Spanish Flu

Terrorists Targeting US Center For Disease Control and American University Escape With Secret Documents And 1918 Spanish Flu Virus Samples

Current avian flu is even more dangerous than 1918 Spanish flu pandemic

BIRD FLU: H5N1 SAME VIRUS AS SPANISH FLU (50 MLN DEATHS)

BIRD FLU: H5N1 SAME VIRUS AS SPANISH FLU - Link

Bird flu most deadly in teens and young adults, eerie echo of Spanish flu

SPANISH FLU" MAN-MADE?

reviving the 1918 spanish flu
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POLIO - I know -

I have one size 13 foot and one size 9 1/2 Foot -

attributed to Polio when I was taken to a Specialist

at 7 yrs old. Born in 1946 vaccine was not an option.

I was LUCKY - didn't hinder me much.
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READ & RESEARCH - above all -

Do Your Own CRITICAL THINKING !!!

Daniel

You are right, you are not a shill or neocon, you are not smart enough. Panic stricken luddite, now that fitts you to a "T."

No one said vaccines were perfectly safe. NOTHING is perfectly safe. You run a finite and real risk with EVERY activity in life, without exception.

So, there is a simple way to make sure you never have to face the risk of technology: Eliminate technology from your life. No buildings, no electricity, hell, no clothing, no dental fillings, no drugs, nothing, just your naked ass against the universe.

I suspect you won't last long. But then when you are swimming in the shallow end of the gene pool that is the risk you take.

If you don't like vacciness, fine by me, don't take em. Don't like modern medicine? No problem, don't use it. Don't like taking risk? Tough, life is risk. Get used to it.

Don't salute and sidestep, just don't try to spread your fear, panic and dread to your intellectual superiors.

First

Blue-Pec-boy:
You have an astounding way of twisting words and their intent to serve your purposes and I've had enough of debating you. I never suggested that disposable diapers stopped the spread of disease. I suggested that modern sanitation methods HELPED, INCLUDING disposable diapers. Since I can assume you've never been a "new mom" I doubt you've had the speech about making sure you wash your hands after cleaning up after a poopie diaper, which USED TO BE A PRIME WAY THAT POLIO WAS SPREAD! Since I had one child inoculated for Polio, young as I may have been, I still remember being impressed with the cautions I received after my son received that vaccine.

In addition, I made a very clear point that you AND Dr. Postman seem to have overlooked: COMPULSORY IMMUNIZATION REGIMENS THAT VIOLATE COMMON SENSE AND PROFIT ONLY BIG PHARMA.

I DON'T believe it's the best use of wisdom to herd our children through injection therapy just because some government or medical official says 1) they're safe and 2) they're useful ALL the time FOR EVERYONE!

I understand and have commented at length on previous threads about the responsibility a parent has if/when there is an outbreak of ANY KIND of disease - the common cold or measles or anything else.

STOP HIJACKING THIS THREAD with your own agenda. THIS IS ABOUT A SOLDIER - UNDISCLOSED AND COVERED-UP INJECTIONS - POTENTIALLY FATAL REACTIONS - A MOM'S GRIEF - AND A LOST LIFE, and the potential that SOMEONE ELSE can share their similar story, grief, and or hope or suggestions for others to consider.

so
STFU

Please :-) your highness with large pecs, leave me the fuck alone. If the topic of this thread annoys you, start your own! Clearly there are those who have posted on these pages, who have something to say and would like to do so without being interrupted by your antagonism and comments that have little to do with the point of the OP.

Take your blue self and GO AWAY!

Second...
Dr Postman.

My point was/is that statistics based on such an overwhelmingly wide range of applicable ranges SHOULD cause one to question what the criteria was by which the study was conducted and should fall suspect to any kind of accuracy. How can something be remotely considered accurate with a variable of 200 MILLION? That's simply absurd!

See above post to blue-pec-boy for the rest.

You are right, you are not a shill or neocon, you are not smart enough. Panic stricken luddite, now that fitts you to a "T."

No one said vaccines were perfectly safe. NOTHING is perfectly safe. You run a finite and real risk with EVERY activity in life, without exception.

So, there is a simple way to make sure you never have to face the risk of technology: Eliminate technology from your life. No buildings, no electricity, hell, no clothing, no dental fillings, no drugs, nothing, just your naked ass against the universe.

I suspect you won't last long. But then when you are swimming in the shallow end of the gene pool that is the risk you take.

If you don't like vacciness, fine by me, don't take em. Don't like modern medicine? No problem, don't use it. Don't like taking risk? Tough, life is risk. Get used to it.

Don't salute and sidestep, just don't try to spread your fear, panic and dread to your intellectual superiors.


One of the most idiotic things Ive seen on here. These soldiers dont have the luxury or even the inclination to have the ability or even just an opionion not get vaccinated. They are required to. When I was in the first war you had no choice to take the anthrax shot. They put you in line and thats where you stood until you got your shot. EVERYONE, even the company commanders.
People were dropping like flies. Didnt matter they had to get there shots.
When we got back and a handful of people got violently and terminally ill. They brushed it off saying it wasnt outside the realm of percentages of natural illness. This is total bull crap. I was in for over 7 years. I went to a lot of hot spots. Korea (during there elections) phillippines, thailand, japan, Honduras, Panama, Saudi.
I only saw one other person die. It was a self inflicted accident. He dropped a long range antenna on a high voltage power line. Ive been trying to find people I was over there with. For the most part unsuccessfully. I can find all of them but one that got out of the military before we went over there. But none that I was there with.

Technology? What does that have to do with this? This goes for all drugs and medications. How can you even justify in your own mind that the healthcare of our nation has anything to do with technology? It only has to do with one thing...period and thats money. It saddens me to hear people still talk that way.
My father passed away recently from colon cancer. HE had to go into treatment 3 times a week @ 20,000 a pop. He got so weak that I had to pick him up and put him in his truck. Some fucking technology.
Ive been finding links about peoples sucesses with natural
therapies. They are much greater then getting douced in chemicals that do more damage then good. The FDA, which controls this "technology" are employed (to a rather large extent) by these technological people. Dont you see the conflict of interest?

I bet you any ammount of money that:
1) someone in the government was either a partial owner of or had high interests in the Michigan company that invented and made the anthrax vaccination.
2) Along the way, there was an obstruction of the truth about the anthrax vaccination. (well I know the answer to this. After we were given the vaccination. We were given a pamphlet about the contents of the vaccination. They claimed it was just megadoses of vitamin D.)

I dont know dude.....you can look at it with a blind eye all you want. Thats your call. But dont even begin to think youre "inellectually superior" to anyone but yourself and then....think it over again.

And, you have flown right over the real point: NO ONE HAS TO JOIN THE MILITARY. If you find the requirement for vaccination too frightening or burdensome, stay home. Do something else. No one is forced into military service.

And, you have flown right over the real point: NO ONE HAS TO JOIN THE MILITARY. If you find the requirement for vaccination too frightening or burdensome, stay home. Do something else. No one is forced into military service.


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.
NO ONE HAS TO JOIN THE MILITARY.*** YET ***.

What happens when you no longer have the choice? What happens to all of those young people who will have NO CHOICE whether or not to have this sort of thing done to them? What was the draft age-spread on this new draft bill they've been talking about, something like ages 18 thru 40?! The implications are staggering.

.
.

You are right, you are not a shill or neocon, you are not smart enough. Panic stricken luddite, now that fitts you to a "T."

No one said vaccines were perfectly safe. NOTHING is perfectly safe. You run a finite and real risk with EVERY activity in life, without exception.

So, there is a simple way to make sure you never have to face the risk of technology: Eliminate technology from your life. No buildings, no electricity, hell, no clothing, no dental fillings, no drugs, nothing, just your naked ass against the universe.

I suspect you won't last long. But then when you are swimming in the shallow end of the gene pool that is the risk you take.

If you don't like vacciness, fine by me, don't take em. Don't like modern medicine? No problem, don't use it. Don't like taking risk? Tough, life is risk. Get used to it.

Don't salute and sidestep, just don't try to spread your fear, panic and dread to your intellectual superiors.


One of the most idiotic things Ive seen on here. These soldiers dont have the luxury or even the inclination to have the ability or even just an opionion not get vaccinated. They are required to. When I was in the first war you had no choice to take the anthrax shot. They put you in line and thats where you stood until you got your shot. EVERYONE, even the company commanders.
People were dropping like flies. Didnt matter they had to get there shots.
When we got back and a handful of people got violently and terminally ill. They brushed it off saying it wasnt outside the realm of percentages of natural illness. This is total bull crap. I was in for over 7 years. I went to a lot of hot spots. Korea (during there elections) phillippines, thailand, japan, Honduras, Panama, Saudi.
I only saw one other person die. It was a self inflicted accident. He dropped a long range antenna on a high voltage power line. Ive been trying to find people I was over there with. For the most part unsuccessfully. I can find all of them but one that got out of the military before we went over there. But none that I was there with.

Technology? What does that have to do with this? This goes for all drugs and medications. How can you even justify in your own mind that the healthcare of our nation has anything to do with technology? It only has to do with one thing...period and thats money. It saddens me to hear people still talk that way.
My father passed away recently from colon cancer. HE had to go into treatment 3 times a week @ 20,000 a pop. He got so weak that I had to pick him up and put him in his truck. Some fucking technology.
Ive been finding links about peoples sucesses with natural
therapies. They are much greater then getting douced in chemicals that do more damage then good. The FDA, which controls this "technology" are employed (to a rather large extent) by these technological people. Dont you see the conflict of interest?

I bet you any ammount of money that:
1) someone in the government was either a partial owner of or had high interests in the Michigan company that invented and made the anthrax vaccination.
2) Along the way, there was an obstruction of the truth about the anthrax vaccination. (well I know the answer to this. After we were given the vaccination. We were given a pamphlet about the contents of the vaccination. They claimed it was just megadoses of vitamin D.)

I dont know dude.....you can look at it with a blind eye all you want. Thats your call. But dont even begin to think youre "inellectually superior" to anyone but yourself and then....think it over again.

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VVV


Please explain to me the drop in smallpox, measeels, polio and a host of other diseases.

Could be a combination of several or even more factors. Perhaps you haven't discovered/considered them?


You can't, actually learning the statisticss, medicine, and methodology is far more work than simply parroting what you want to believe.

Hold on there, dude. What precisely are your qualifications which especially confers your wide range of relevant knowledge?

Many people believe Elvis is still alive. Does that mean he is, indeed, alive?

Flippancy is not a relevant data set.

And, you have flown right over the real point: NO ONE HAS TO JOIN THE MILITARY. If you find the requirement for vaccination too frightening or burdensome, stay home. Do something else. No one is forced into military service.

And you are missing some salient points as well. Military service is not now mandatory here [US] or some other places, but it was once and was called the military draft. And one got "conscripted" involuntarily. That same circumstance could be instituted again in a heart beat, conditions warranted. This makes for a rather moot point which does NOT address the real issues raised in this thread. Why are you evading that central topic?

So my original point remains valid: If you find a technology too frightening, avoid it. 0lying care you? Don't fly. Food frighten you? Grow your own. Vaccinations make you go weak with fear? Don't have them. There are essentially Avoiding vaccination is not all that hard.

You're still evading the crux of the matter? Why is that? You might be surprised to know just how difficult it is to avoid taking vaccine treatment when it's required by law. Just ask any prospective new immigre to the US who wishes to avoid those vaccines if they are against them altogether. Your best unlikely option becomes a religious exemption. Ever tried it? Good luck trying.

Trying to spead your fear and ignorance is hardly productive, but when it is all you have, I suppose it is human nature to go with it. But it is seldom productive.

Yeah, sure. LOL That's exactly what has been happening in a sense in this country for nearly 8 years if not many more than that. But it hasn't been the people at large doing it. They've merely been reacting to what they have seen and heard. Would you prefer that no one actually give a shit?

And, you have flown right over the real point: NO ONE HAS TO JOIN THE MILITARY. If you find the requirement for vaccination too frightening or burdensome, stay home. Do something else. No one is forced into military service.


.
.
NO ONE HAS TO JOIN THE MILITARY.*** YET ***.

What happens when you no longer have the choice? What happens to all of those young people who will have NO CHOICE whether or not to have this sort of thing done to them? What was the draft age-spread on this new draft bill they've been talking about, something like ages 18 thru 40?! The implications are staggering.

.
.

I believe this to be outrageous tyranny and my heart breaks for the loved ones of those suffering from such blatant abuse of power.

You are right, you are not a shill or neocon, you are not smart enough. Panic stricken luddite, now that fitts you to a "T."

No one said vaccines were perfectly safe. NOTHING is perfectly safe. You run a finite and real risk with EVERY activity in life, without exception.

So, there is a simple way to make sure you never have to face the risk of technology: Eliminate technology from your life. No buildings, no electricity, hell, no clothing, no dental fillings, no drugs, nothing, just your naked ass against the universe.

I suspect you won't last long. But then when you are swimming in the shallow end of the gene pool that is the risk you take.

If you don't like vacciness, fine by me, don't take em. Don't like modern medicine? No problem, don't use it. Don't like taking risk? Tough, life is risk. Get used to it.

Don't salute and sidestep, just don't try to spread your fear, panic and dread to your intellectual superiors.


One of the most idiotic things Ive seen on here. These soldiers dont have the luxury or even the inclination to have the ability or even just an opionion not get vaccinated. They are required to. When I was in the first war you had no choice to take the anthrax shot. They put you in line and thats where you stood until you got your shot. EVERYONE, even the company commanders.
People were dropping like flies. Didnt matter they had to get there shots.
When we got back and a handful of people got violently and terminally ill. They brushed it off saying it wasnt outside the realm of percentages of natural illness. This is total bull crap. I was in for over 7 years. I went to a lot of hot spots. Korea (during there elections) phillippines, thailand, japan, Honduras, Panama, Saudi.
I only saw one other person die. It was a self inflicted accident. He dropped a long range antenna on a high voltage power line. Ive been trying to find people I was over there with. For the most part unsuccessfully. I can find all of them but one that got out of the military before we went over there. But none that I was there with.

Technology? What does that have to do with this? This goes for all drugs and medications. How can you even justify in your own mind that the healthcare of our nation has anything to do with technology? It only has to do with one thing...period and thats money. It saddens me to hear people still talk that way.
My father passed away recently from colon cancer. HE had to go into treatment 3 times a week @ 20,000 a pop. He got so weak that I had to pick him up and put him in his truck. Some fucking technology.
Ive been finding links about peoples sucesses with natural
therapies. They are much greater then getting douced in chemicals that do more damage then good. The FDA, which controls this "technology" are employed (to a rather large extent) by these technological people. Dont you see the conflict of interest?

I bet you any ammount of money that:
1) someone in the government was either a partial owner of or had high interests in the Michigan company that invented and made the anthrax vaccination.
2) Along the way, there was an obstruction of the truth about the anthrax vaccination. (well I know the answer to this. After we were given the vaccination. We were given a pamphlet about the contents of the vaccination. They claimed it was just megadoses of vitamin D.)

I dont know dude.....you can look at it with a blind eye all you want. Thats your call. But dont even begin to think youre "inellectually superior" to anyone but yourself and then....think it over again.



Please explain to me the drop in smallpox, measeels, polio and a host of other diseases.


You can't, actually learning the statisticss, medicine, and methodology is far more work than simply parroting what you want to believe.

Many people believe Elvis is still alive. Does that mean he is, indeed, alive?

And, you have flown right over the real point: NO ONE HAS TO JOIN THE MILITARY. If you find the requirement for vaccination too frightening or burdensome, stay home. Do something else. No one is forced into military service.

So my original point remains valid: If you find a technology too frightening, avoid it. 0lying care you? Don't fly. Food frighten you? Grow your own. Vaccinations make you go weak with fear? Don't have them. There are essentially Avoiding vaccination is not all that hard.

Trying to spead your fear and ignorance is hardly productive, but when it is all you have, I suppose it is human nature to go with it. But it is seldom productive.

THATS THE POINT SHR

vaccinating is literaly 200+ year old technology w

ITS BOTH NEANDERTHAL AND IT DONT WORK

READ THE WHALE SITE

READ THE WORLDS LARGEST STUDY, 1.5 MILLION CASES.


CHECK YOUR OWN SPACE RIDDLED WITH ALL VIRUSES AND BACTERIA YET YOU DONT GET SICK. HOW DOES CHOLERA GET IN WATER.

SANITATION NOT STERILITY RING A BELL.
GL

Jon Rappoport interview of ex vaccine researcher

JON RAPPOPORT

Q: You were once certain that vaccines were the hallmark of good medicine.

A: Yes I was. I helped develop a few vaccines. I won't say which ones.

Q: Why not?

A: I want to preserve my privacy.

Q: So you think you could have problems if you came out into the open?

A: I believe I could lose my pension.

Q: On what grounds?

A: The grounds don't matter. These people have ways of causing you problems, when you were once part of the Club. I know one or two people who were put under surveillance, who were harassed.

Q: Harassed by whom?

A: The FBI.

Q: Really?

A: Sure. The FBI used other pretexts. And the IRS can come calling too.

Q: So much for free speech.

A: I was "part of the inner circle." If now I began to name names and make specific accusations against researchers, I could be in a world of trouble.

Q: What is at the bottom of these efforts at harassment?

A: Vaccines are the last defense of modern medicine. Vaccines are the ultimate justification for the overall "brilliance" of modern medicine.

Q: Do you believe that people should be allowed to choose whether they should get vaccines?

A: On a political level, yes. On a scientific level, people need information, so that they can choose well. It's one thing to say choice is good. But if the atmosphere is full of lies, how can you choose? Also, if the FDA were run by honorable people, these vaccines would not be granted licenses. They would be investigated to within an inch of their lives.

Q: There are medical historians who state that the overall decline of illnesses was not due to vaccines.

A: I know. For a long time, I ignored their work.

Q: Why?

A: Because I was afraid of what I would find out. I was in the business of developing vaccines. My livelihood depended on continuing that work.

Q: And then?

A: I did my own investigation.

Q: What conclusions did you come to?

A: The decline of disease is due to improved living conditions.

Q: What conditions?

A: Cleaner water. Advanced sewage systems. Nutrition. Fresher food. A decrease in poverty. Germs may be everywhere, but when you are healthy, you don't contract the diseases as easily.

Q: What did you feel when you completed your own investigation?

A: Despair. I realized I was working a sector based on a collection of lies.

Q: Are some vaccines more dangerous than others?

A: Yes. The DPT shot, for example. The MMR. But some lots of a vaccine are more dangerous than other lots of the same vaccine. As far as I'm concerned, all vaccines are dangerous.

Q: Why?

A: Several reasons. They involve the human immune system in a process that tends to compromise immunity. They can actually cause the disease they are supposed to prevent. They can cause other diseases than the ones they are supposed to prevent.

Q: Why are we quoted statistics which seem to prove that vaccines have been tremendously successful at wiping out diseases?

A: Why? To give the illusion that these vaccines are useful. If a vaccine suppresses visible symptoms of a disease like measles, everyone assumes that the vaccine is a success. But, under the surface, the vaccine can harm the immune system itself. And if it causes other diseases -- say, meningitis -- that fact is masked, because no one believes that the vaccine can do that. The connection is overlooked.

Q: It is said that the smallpox vaccine wiped out smallpox in England.

A: Yes. But when you study the available statistics, you get another picture.

Q: Which is?

A: There were cities in England where people who were not vaccinated did not get smallpox. There were places where people who were vaccinated experienced smallpox epidemics. And smallpox was already on the decline before the vaccine was introduced.

Q: So you're saying that we have been treated to a false history.

A: Yes. That's exactly what I'm saying. This is a history that has been cooked up to convince people that vaccines are invariably safe and effective.

Q: Now, you worked in labs. Where purity was an issue.

A: The public believes that these labs, these manufacturing facilities are the cleanest places in the world. That is not true. Contamination occurs all the time. You get all sorts of debris introduced into vaccines.

Q: For example, the SV40 monkey virus slips into the polio vaccine.

A: Well yes, that happened. But that's not what I mean. The SV40 got into the polio vaccine because the vaccine was made by using monkey kidneys. But I'm talking about something else. The actual lab conditions. The mistakes. The careless errors. SV40, which was later found in cancer tumors -- that was what I would call a structural problem. It was an accepted part of the manufacturing process. If you use monkey kidneys, you open the door to germs which you don't know are in those kidneys.

Q: Okay, but let's ignore that distinction between different types of contaminants for a moment. What contaminants did you find in your many years of work with vaccines?

A: All right. I'll give you some of what I came across, and I'll also give you what colleagues of mine found. Here's a partial list. In the Rimavex measles vaccine, we found various chicken viruses. In polio vaccine, we found acanthamoeba, which is a so-called "brain-eating" amoeba.

Simian cytomegalovirus in polio vaccine. Simian foamy virus in the rotavirus vaccine. Bird-cancer viruses in the MMR vaccine. Various micro-organisms in the anthrax vaccine. I've found potentially dangerous enzyme inhibitors in several vaccines. Duck, dog, and rabbit viruses in the rubella vaccine. Avian leucosis virus in the flu vaccine. Pestivirus in the MMR vaccine.

Q: Let me get this straight. These are all contaminants which don't belong in the vaccines.

A: That's right. And if you try to calculate what damage these contaminants can cause, well, we don't really know, because no testing has been done, or very little testing. It's a game of roulette. You take your chances. Also, most people don't know that some polio vaccines, adenovirus vaccines, rubella and hep A and measles vaccines have been made with aborted human fetal tissue. I have found what I believed were bacterial fragments and poliovirus in these vaccines from time to time -- which may have come from that fetal tissue. When you look for contaminants in vaccines, you can come up with material that IS puzzling. You know it shouldn't be there, but you don't know exactly what you've got. I have found what I believed was a very small "fragment" of human hair and also human mucus. I have found what can only be called "foreign protein," which could mean almost anything. It could mean protein from viruses.

Q: Alarm bells are ringing all over the place.

A: How do you think I felt? Remember, this material is going into the bloodstream without passing through some of the ordinary immune defenses.

Q: How were your findings received?

A: Basically, it was, don't worry, this can't be helped. In making vaccines, you use various animals' tissue, and that's where this kind of contamination enters in. Of course, I'm not even mentioning the standard chemicals like formaldehyde, mercury, and aluminum which are purposely put into vaccines.

Q: This information is pretty staggering.

A: Yes. And I'm just mentioning some of the biological contaminants. Who knows how many others there are? Others we don't find because we don't think to look for them. If tissue from, say, a bird is used to make a vaccine, how many possible germs can be in that tissue? We have no idea.We have no idea what they might be, or what effects they could have on humans.

Q: And beyond the purity issue?

A: You are dealing with the basic faulty premise about vaccines. That they intricately stimulate the immune system to create the conditions for immunity from disease. That is the bad premise. It doesn't work that way. A vaccine is supposed to "create" antibodies which, indirectly, offer protection against disease. However, the immune system is much larger and more involved than antibodies and their related "killer cells."

Q: The immune system is?

A: The entire body, really. Plus the mind. It's all immune system, you might say. That is why you can have, in the middle of an epidemic, those individuals who remain healthy.

Q: So the level of general health is important.

A: More than important. Vital.

Q: How are vaccine statistics falsely presented?

A: There are many ways. For example, suppose that 25 people who have received the hepatitis B vaccine come down with hepatitis. Well, hep B is a liver disease. But you can call liver disease many things. You can change the diagnosis. Then, you've concealed the root cause of the problem.

Q: And that happens?

A: All the time. It HAS to happen, if the doctors automatically assume that people who get vaccines DO NOT come down with the diseases they are now supposed to be protected from. And that is exactly what doctors assume. You see, it's circular reasoning. It's a closed system. It admits no fault. No possible fault. If a person who gets a vaccine against hepatitis gets hepatitis, or gets some other disease, the automatic assumption is, this had nothing to do with the disease.

Q: In your years working in the vaccine establishment, how many doctors did you encounter who admitted that vaccines were a problem?

A: None. There were a few who privately questioned what they were doing. But they would never go public, even within their companies.

Q: What was the turning point for you?

A: I had a friend whose baby died after a DPT shot.

Q: Did you investigate?

A: Yes, informally. I found that this baby was completely healthy before the vaccination. There was no reason for his death, except the vaccine. That started my doubts. Of course, I wanted to believe that the baby had gotten a bad shot from a bad lot. But as I looked into this further, I found that was not the case in this instance. I was being drawn into a spiral of doubt that increased over time. I continued to investigate. I found that, contrary to what I thought, vaccines are not tested in a scientific way.

Q: What do you mean?

A: For example, no long-term studies are done on any vaccines. Long-term follow-up is not done in any careful way. Why? Because, again, the assumption is made that vaccines do not cause problems. So why should anyone check? On top of that, a vaccine reaction is defined so that all bad reactions are said to occur very soon after the shot is given. But that does not make sense.

Q: Why doesn't it make sense?

A: Because the vaccine obviously acts in the body for a long period of time after it is given. A reaction can be gradual. Deterioration can be gradual. Neurological problems can develop over time. They do in various conditions, even according to a conventional analysis. So why couldn't that be the case with vaccines? If chemical poisoning can occur gradually, why couldn't that be the case with a vaccine which contains mercury?

Q: And that is what you found?

A: Yes. You are dealing with correlations, most of the time.Correlations are not perfect. But if you get 500 parents whose children have suffered neurological damage during a one-year period after having a vaccine, this should be sufficient to spark off an intense investigation.

Q: Has it been enough?

A: No. Never. This tells you something right away.

Q: Which is?

A: The people doing the investigation are not really interested in looking at the facts. They assume that the vaccines are safe. So, when they do investigate, they invariably come up with exonerations of the vaccines. They say, "This vaccine is safe." But what do they base those judgments on? They base them on definitions and ideas which automatically rule out a condemnation of the vaccine.

Q: There are numerous cases where a vaccine campaign has failed. Where people have come down with the disease against which they were vaccinated.

A: Yes, there are many such instances. And there the evidence is simply ignored. It's discounted. The experts say, if they say anything at all, that this is just an isolated situation, but overall the vaccine has been shown to be safe. But if you add up all the vaccine campaigns where damage and disease have occurred, you realize that these are NOT isolated situations.

Q: Did you ever discuss what we are talking about here with colleagues, when you were still working in the vaccine establishment?

A: Yes I did.

Q: What happened?

A: Several times I was told to keep quiet. It was made clear that I should go back to work and forget my misgivings. On a few occasions, I encountered fear. Colleagues tried to avoid me. They felt they could be labeled with "guilt by association." All in all, though, I behaved myself.I made sure I didn't create problems for myself.

Q: If vaccines actually do harm, why are they given?

A: First of all, there is no "if." They do harm. It becomes a more difficult question to decide whether they do harm in those people who seem to show no harm. Then you are dealing with the kind of research which should be done, but isn't. Researchers should be probing to discover a kind of map, or flow chart, which shows exactly what vaccines do in the body from the moment they enter. This research has not been done. As to why they are given, we could sit here for two days and discuss all the reasons. As you've said many times, at different layers of the system people have their motives. Money, fear of losing a job, the desire to win brownie points, prestige, awards, promotion, misguided idealism, unthinking habit, and so on. But, at the highest levels of the medical cartel, vaccines are a top priority because they cause a weakening of the immune system. I know that may be hard to accept, but it's true. The medical cartel, at the highest level, is not out to help people, it is out to harm them, to weaken them. To kill them. At one point in my career, I had a long conversation with a man who occupied a high government position in an African nation. He told me that he was well aware of this. He told me that WHO is a front for these depopulation interests. There is an underground, shall we say, in Africa, made up of various officials who are earnestly trying to change the lot of the poor. This network of people knows what is going on. They know that vaccines have been used, and are being used, to destroy their countries, to make them ripe for takeover by globalist powers. I have had the opportunity to speak with several of these people from this network.

Q: Is Thabo Mbeki, the president of South Africa, aware of the situation?

A: I would say he is partially aware. Perhaps he is not utterly convinced, but he is on the way to realizing the whole truth. He already knows that HIV is a hoax. He knows that the AIDS drugs are poisons which destroy the immune system. He also knows that if he speaks out, in any way, about the vaccine issue, he will be branded a lunatic. He has enough trouble after his stand on the AIDS issue.

Q: This network you speak of.

A: It has accumulated a huge amount of information about vaccines. The question is, how is a successful strategy going to be mounted? For these people, that is a difficult issue.

Q: And in the industrialized nations?

A: The medical cartel has a stranglehold, but it is diminishing. Mainly because people have the freedom to question medicines. However, if the choice issue [the right to take or reject any medicine] does not gather steam, these coming mandates about vaccines against biowarefare germs are going to win out. This is an important time.

Q: The furor over the hepatits B vaccine seems one good avenue.

A: I think so, yes. To say that babies must have the vaccine-and then in the next breath, admitting that a person gets hep B from sexual contacts and shared needles -- is a ridiculous juxtaposition. Medical authorities try to cover themselves by saying that 20,000 or so children in the US get hep B every year from "unknown causes," and that's why every baby must have the vaccine. I dispute that 20,00 figure and the so-called studies that back it up.

Q: Andrew Wakefield, the British MD who uncovered the link between the MMR vaccine and autism, has just been fired from his job in a London hospital.

A: Yes. Wakefield performed a great service. His correlations between the vaccine and autism are stunning. Perhaps you know that Tony Blair's wife is involved with alternative health. There is the possibility that their child has not been given the MMR. Blair recently side-stepped the question in press interviews, and made it seem that he was simply objecting to invasive questioning of his "personal and family life." In any event, I believe his wife has been muzzled. I think, if given the chance, she would at least say she is sympathetic to all the families who have come forward and stated that their children were severely damaged by the MMR.

Q: British reporters should try to get through to her.

A: They have been trying. But I think she has made a deal with her husband to keep quiet, no matter what. She could do a great deal of good if she breaks her promise. I have been told she is under pressure, and not just from her husband. At the level she occupies, MI6 and British health authorities get into the act. It is thought of as a matter of national security.

Q: Well, it is national security, once you understand the medical cartel.

A: It is global security. The cartel operates in every nation. It zealously guards the sanctity of vaccines. Questioning these vaccines is on the same level as a Vatican bishop questioning the sanctity of the sacrament of the Eucharist in the Catholic Church.

Q: I know that a Hollywood celebrity stating publicly that he will not take a vaccine is committing career suicide.

A: Hollywood is linked very powerfully to the medical cartel. There are several reasons, but one of them is simply that an actor who is famous can draw a huge amount of publicity if he says ANYTHING. In 1992, I was present at your demonstration against the FDA in downtown Los Angeles. One or two actors spoke against the FDA. Since that time, you would be hard pressed to find an actor who has spoken out in any way against the medical cartel.

Q: Within the National Institutes of Health, what is the mood, what is the basic frame of mind?

A: People are competing for research monies. The last thing they think about is challenging the status quo. They are already in an intramural war for that money. They don't need more trouble. This is a very insulated system. It depends on the idea that, by and large, modern medicine is very successful on every frontier. To admit systemic problems in any area is to cast doubt on the whole enterprise. You might therefore think that NIH is the last place one should think about holding demonstrations. But just the reverse is true. If five thousand people showed up there demanding an accounting of the actual benefits of that research system, demanding to know what real health benefits have been conferred on the public from the billions of wasted dollars funneled to that facility, something might start. A spark might go off. You might get, with further demonstrations, all sorts of fall-out. Researchers -- a few -- might start leaking information.

Q: A good idea.

A: People in suits standing as close to the buildings as the police will allow. People in business suits, in jogging suits, mothers and babies. Well-off people. Poor people. All sorts of people.

Q: What about the combined destructive power of a number of vaccines given to babies these days?

A: It is a travesty and a crime. There are no real studies of any depth which have been done on that. Again, the assumption is made that vaccines are safe, and therefore any number of vaccines given together are safe as well. But the truth is, vaccines are not safe. Therefore the potential damage increases when you give many of them in a short time period.

Q: Then we have the fall flu season.

A: Yes. As if only in the autumn do these germs float in to the US from Asia. The public swallows that premise. If it happens in April, it is a bad cold. If it happens in October, it is the flu.

Q: Do you regret having worked all those years in the vaccine field?

A: Yes. But after this interview, I'll regret it a little less. And I work in other ways. I give out information to certain people, when I think they will use it well.

Q: What is one thing you want the public to understand?

A: That the burden of proof in establishing the safety and efficacy of vaccines is on the people who manufacture and license them for public use. Just that. The burden of proof is not on you or me. And for proof you need well-designed long-term studies. You need extensive follow-up. You need to interview mothers and pay attention to what mothers say about their babies and what happens to them after vaccination. You need all these things. The things that are not there.

Q: The things that are not there.

A: Yes.

Q: To avoid any confusion, I'd like you to review, once more, the disease problems that vaccines can cause. Which diseases, how that happens.

A: We are basically talking about two potential harmful outcomes. One, the person gets the disease from the vaccine. He gets the disease which the vaccine is supposed to protect him from. Because, some version of the disease is in the vaccine to begin with. Or two, he doesn't get THAT disease, but at some later time, maybe right away, maybe not, he develops another condition which is caused by the vaccine. That condition could be autism, what's called autism, or it could be some other disease like meningitis. He could become mentally disabled.

Q: Is there any way to compare the relative frequency of these different outcomes?

A: No. Because the follow-up is poor. We can only guess. If you ask, out of a population of a hundred thousand children who get a measles vaccine, how many get the measles, and how many develop other problems from the vaccine, there is a no reliable answer. That is what I'm saying. Vaccines are superstitions. And with superstitions, you don't get facts you can use. You only get stories, most of which are designed to enforce the superstition. But, from many vaccine campaigns, we can piece together a narrative that does reveal some very disturbing things. People have been harmed. The harm is real, and it can be deep and it can mean death. The harm is NOT limited to a few cases, as we have been led to believe.In the US, there are groups of mothers who are testifying about autism and childhood vaccines. They are coming forward and standing up at meetings.They are essentially trying to fill in the gap that has been created by the researchers and doctors who turn their backs on the whole thing.

Q: Let me ask you this. If you took a child in, say, Boston and you raised that child with good nutritious food and he exercised every day and he was loved by his parents, and he didn't get the measles vaccine, what would be his health status compared with the average child in Boston who eats poorly and watches five hours of TV a day and gets the measles vaccine?

A: Of course there are many factors involved, but I would bet on the better health status for the first child. If he gets measles, if he gets it when he is nine, the chances are it will be much lighter than the measles the second child might get. I would bet on the first child every time.

Q: How long did you work with vaccines?

A: A long time. Longer than ten years.

Q: Looking back now, can you recall any good reason to say that vaccines are successful?

A: No, I can't. If I had a child now, the last thing I would allow is vaccination. I would move out of the state if I had to. I would change the family name. I would disappear. With my family. I'm not saying it would come to that. There are ways to sidestep the system with grace, if you know how to act. There are exemptions you can declare, in every state, based on religious and/or philosophic views. But if push came to shove, I would go on the move.

Q: And yet there are children everywhere who do get vaccines and appear to be healthy.

A: The operative word is "appear." What about all the children who can't focus on their studies? What about the children who have tantrums from time to time? What about the children who are not quite in possession of all their mental faculties? I know there are many causes for these things, but vaccines are one cause. I would not take the chance. I see no reason to take the chance. And frankly, I see no reason to allow the government to have the last word. Government medicine is, from my experience, often a contradiction in terms. You get one or the other, but not both.

Q: So we come to the level playing field.

A: Yes. Allow those who want the vaccines to take them. Allow the dissidents to decline to take them. But, as I said earlier, there is no level playing field if the field is strewn with lies. And when babies are involved, you have parents making all the decisions. Those parents need a heavy dose of truth. What about the child I spoke of who died from the DPT shot? What information did his parents act on? I can tell you it was heavily weighted. It was not real information.

Q: Medical PR people, in concert with the press, scare the hell out of parents with dire scenarios about what will happen if their kids don't get shots.

A: They make it seem a crime to refuse the vaccine. They equate it with bad parenting. You fight that with better information. It is always a challenge to buck the authorities. And only you can decide whether to do it. It is every person's responsibility to make up his mind. The medical cartel likes that bet. It is betting that the fear will win.
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Dr. Mark Randall is the pseudonym of a vaccine researcher who worked for many years in the labs of major pharmaceutical houses and the US government's National Institutes of Health.

Mark retired during the last decade. He says he was "disgusted with what he discovered about vaccines."

As you know, since the beginning of nomorefakenews, I have been launching an attack against non-scientific and dangerous assertions about the safety and efficacy of vaccines.

Mark has been one of my sources.

He is a little reluctant to speak out, even under the cover of anonymity, but with the current push to make vaccines mandatory -- with penalties like quarantine lurking in the wings -- he has decided to break his silence.

He lives comfortably in retirement, but like many of my long-time sources, he has developed a conscience about his former work. Mark is well aware of the scope of the medical cartel and its goals of depopulation, mind control, and general debilitation of pop

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