Flight 93 impacted at near the speed of sound and close to verticle, like a missle.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 433091
Not according to eye witness accounts.
Witnesses saw the plane or something that looked similar to a plane fly over at low altitude before it crashed.
One witness described the plane as looking more like a cruise missile than an airliner.
Very odd.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 382841 7/31/2008 9:16 AM
Flight 585, which is what the vid is about, crashed while landing. They were at an altitude of less than 1000ft and traveling at 230MPH.
Flight 93 started it's final decent from 10,000ft. and impacted at well over 500MPH and almost straight down.
Apples and oranges here.
Quoting: Nighthawk
I would not bet on flight 93 being at 10 thousand ft. it flew through northeast ohio twice going west to about toledo and turned and came back east and it was not very high at all. and shortly after it made its trip east back through here 2 fighter jets came from somewhere and they were fucking flying.
Flight 585, which is what the vid is about, crashed while landing. They were at an altitude of less than 1000ft and traveling at 230MPH.
Flight 93 started it's final decent from 10,000ft. and impacted at well over 500MPH and almost straight down.
Apples and oranges here.
I would not bet on flight 93 being at 10 thousand ft. it flew through northeast ohio twice going west to about toledo and turned and came back east and it was not very high at all. and shortly after it made its trip east back through here 2 fighter jets came from somewhere and they were fucking flying.
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UNITED 93 DATA PROVIDED BY US GOVERNMENT DOES NOT SUPPORT OBSERVED EVENTS
Pilots for 9/11 Truth, an international organization of pilots and aviation professionals, petitioned the National Transportation and Safety Board (NTSB) via the Freedom of Information Act to obtain United Flight 93 Flight Data Recorder information, consisting of a Comma Separated Value (CSV) file and Flight Path Animation, allegedly derived from Flight 93 Flight Data Recorder (FDR). The data provided by the NTSB contradict observed events in several significant ways:
The NTSB Flight Path Animation approach path and altitude does not support observations.
All Altitude data on the northern approach contradicts witnesses published by the New York Times.
Witness observations of approach path contradict northern approach as described by Popular Mechanics and the US Govt. Several witnesses observed the aircraft approaching from southeast over Indian Lake and from the south prior to witnessing explosion. Parts found in New Baltimore, 8 miles southeast of crater is a direct contradiction to the northern approach claimed by the US Govt.
Environmental Protection Agency reports no soil contamination of jet fuel after testing 5,000-6,000 yards of earth including 3 ground wells. Smoke plume photographed by a witness does not suggest a jet fuel rich explosion.
Impact angle according to Flight Data Recorder does not support an almost vertical impact as the govt story and crater suggests.
In May, 2007, members of Pilots for 9/11 Truth received these documents from the NTSB and began a close analysis of the data they contain. After expert review and cross check, Pilots for 9/11 Truth has concluded that the information in these NTSB documents does not support, and in some instances factually contradicts, the official government position that United Airlines Flight 93 created the impact crater as reported, in Somerset County, PA on the morning of September 11, 2001 .According to the US Govt, United Airlines Flight 93 approached Somerset County from the North-Northwest at a high altitude on the morning of September 11, 2001 . However, many witnesses contradict altitude as well as approach path. Also according to reports, and as the impact crater suggests, United Airlines Flight 93 impacted terrain at an almost vertical 90 degree angle, while the Flight Data Recorder shows a 35 degree angle with up-sloping terrain, further reducing impact angle.
The information provided by the US Government does not support reports of United Airlines Flight 93 approach, impact angles, and lack of jet fuel at Somerset Country, PA.
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Flight 585, which is what the vid is about, crashed while landing. They were at an altitude of less than 1000ft and traveling at 230MPH.
Flight 93 started it's final decent from 10,000ft. and impacted at well over 500MPH and almost straight down.
Apples and oranges here.
Quoting: Nighthawk
First off, 93 reportedly crashed at a 40 degree angle.
The video showed would a crash like 585 would look like ("apples").
Pretend no video of the alleged 93 crash was seen. Describe to people what a plane crash would look like from one crashing 580mph at 40 degrees into uncompacted dirt.
For the most part you have 2 camps, as far as non OS believers go.
1) At whatever angle, a real plane crashed. There is a chance that the aircraft was shot down and some evidence supports this. There are inconsistencies in the crash dynamics as reported by the Gov't.
2) There were never any planes and the whole thing is made up. All the so called evidence is also made up.
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 476663 7/31/2008 1:19 PM
Flight 93 impacted at near the speed of sound and close to verticle, like a missle.
Also, wreckage from the plane was found scattered over many miles.
If it crashed straight down, the wreckage would be confined in a relatively small area.
.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 382841
This is the most glaring item to me. The wreckage was spread out over several miles, (things were found up to 8 miles away) the only way that could of happened was if it was blown out of the air by air-to-air missile. And the lack of physical evidence at the 'hole' was a nothing but a joke.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 474769 7/31/2008 1:26 PM
Flight 93 impacted at near the speed of sound and close to verticle, like a missle.
Also, wreckage from the plane was found scattered over many miles.
If it crashed straight down, the wreckage would be confined in a relatively small area.
.
This is the most glaring item to me. The wreckage was spread out over several miles, (things were found up to 8 miles away) the only way that could of happened was if it was blown out of the air by air-to-air missile. And the lack of physical evidence at the 'hole' was a nothing but a joke.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 476663
This is the problem with you 911 hoax idiots. The debris was only 1.5 miles away (not 8) and it was paper and small pieces of sheet metal that can fly long distances through the air. The idea that the debris was found 6 or 8 miles away is because the road miles are that far...the direct line is only 1.5 miles. See the map at:
...so was "Todd Beamer" and the "Let's Roll" story.
But hey, it sounded so REAL. Just like a real Hollywood movie. Gosh, what a great inspiring, uplifting and yet heartwarmingly sad story.
It really is such a shame it's all a big lie... because it really did have all the trappings of a blockbuster movie.
Whoever thought it all up deserves an Oscar for Best Screenplay.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 465182
I'm with you on this one. What a clever cover-up.
Much better than the passport that survived the WTC inferno along with the Koran and flight instruction manuals left in the rental car. Oh, and that jet fuel brought the twins towers AND WTC7.
Anyone here ever see an actual commercial airliner accident? If you have, you would also be laughing your head off after being told that a 757 hit the Pentagon and everyone simply 'disappeared', DNA and all.
OMFG, these guys have GOT to come up with a better story; but yep, Shanksville was the best one ...
Anonymous Coward User ID: 476663 7/31/2008 2:12 PM
Flight 93 impacted at near the speed of sound and close to verticle, like a missle.
Also, wreckage from the plane was found scattered over many miles.
If it crashed straight down, the wreckage would be confined in a relatively small area.
.
This is the most glaring item to me. The wreckage was spread out over several miles, (things were found up to 8 miles away) the only way that could of happened was if it was blown out of the air by air-to-air missile. And the lack of physical evidence at the 'hole' was a nothing but a joke.
This is the problem with you 911 hoax idiots. The debris was only 1.5 miles away (not 8) and it was paper and small pieces of sheet metal that can fly long distances through the air. The idea that the debris was found 6 or 8 miles away is because the road miles are that far...the direct line is only 1.5 miles. See the map at:
Please get some actual facts befor making such ridiculous claims.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 474769
You are obvious a product of the American school system, you've been dumbed down so much that you are incapable of thinking for yourself. You fall for such blatant lies and propaganda that I hope you haven't procreated, the world already has too many idiots. Popular Mechanics is known, just as Faux News to be nothing more than a mouthpiece for TPTB in their attempt to cover up their lies. The engines that PM showed from the WTC wreckage was more proof that the supposed jets that crashed into the towers were not from a 767.
...so was "Todd Beamer" and the "Let's Roll" story.
But hey, it sounded so REAL. Just like a real Hollywood movie. Gosh, what a great inspiring, uplifting and yet heartwarmingly sad story.
It really is such a shame it's all a big lie... because it really did have all the trappings of a blockbuster movie.
Whoever thought it all up deserves an Oscar for Best Screenplay.
I'm with you on this one. What a clever cover-up.
Much better than the passport that survived the WTC inferno along with the Koran and flight instruction manuals left in the rental car. Oh, and that jet fuel brought the twins towers AND WTC7.
Anyone here ever see an actual commercial airliner accident? If you have, you would also be laughing your head off after being told that a 757 hit the Pentagon and everyone simply 'disappeared', DNA and all.
OMFG, these guys have GOT to come up with a better story; but yep, Shanksville was the best one ...
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 206814
I think the most stupid part of this plot was when the wings laid out an impression on the building. It reminds me now of a road runner cartoon. It just amazes me when I look back that I could even fall for any of it.
When you go to a movie, you know it's fake. Now you have to realize that the media is doing the same thing. Creating Reality thru visualizations. Either they also got caught up in this script or they were a part of it from the start.
I think the script and screenplay had to have their signature in it somewhere. I give up on the media, I do not want to participate in Roger Rabbit part 2, The Final Oil Debacle. Written by non other than Congress, Exxon Mobil, and the media. The screenplay and script provided by leaders of the executive branch, they really should have a golden globe for this stuff.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 474769 7/31/2008 3:10 PM
You are obvious a product of the American school system, you've been dumbed down so much that you are incapable of thinking for yourself. You fall for such blatant lies and propaganda that I hope you haven't procreated, the world already has too many idiots. Popular Mechanics is known, just as Faux News to be nothing more than a mouthpiece for TPTB in their attempt to cover up their lies. The engines that PM showed from the WTC wreckage was more proof that the supposed jets that crashed into the towers were not from a 767.
"The debris found in New Baltimore consisted of very light materials, including paper, thin nylon, and other things that would, if in the air with the wind, would easily blow. At the time of the crash, the wind was blowing at 9 knots in the direction towards Indian Lake and New Baltimore.[9] The debris in New Baltimore included charred pages of in-flight magazines, papers from a pilot's manual, a map showing the Guadalajara, Mexico, airport, and copies of stock portfolio monthly earnings reports. It also included some black webbing, from insulation lining the belly of the jetliner, which was a flexible material where it hadn't burned, and crisp where it had.[14] "
Is it just me or would the wings rip off the airLiner
at mach 1+ ? Note on bottom of airliner,"Not designed for super sonic flight , made in China." "If you spin it in a void it will not
get hot, promise."
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This is the most glaring item to me. The wreckage was spread out over several miles, (things were found up to 8 miles away) the only way that could of happened was if it was blown out of the air by air-to-air missile. And the lack of physical evidence at the 'hole' was a nothing but a joke.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 476663
BS, there is no wreckage anywhere. show us the pics
Flight 93 impacted at near the speed of sound and close to verticle, like a missle.
Also, wreckage from the plane was found scattered over many miles.
If it crashed straight down, the wreckage would be confined in a relatively small area.
.
This is the most glaring item to me. The wreckage was spread out over several miles, (things were found up to 8 miles away) the only way that could of happened was if it was blown out of the air by air-to-air missile. And the lack of physical evidence at the 'hole' was a nothing but a joke.
This is the problem with you 911 hoax idiots. The debris was only 1.5 miles away (not 8) and it was paper and small pieces of sheet metal that can fly long distances through the air. The idea that the debris was found 6 or 8 miles away is because the road miles are that far...the direct line is only 1.5 miles. See the map at:
Flight 93 impacted at near the speed of sound and close to verticle, like a missle.
Also, wreckage from the plane was found scattered over many miles.
If it crashed straight down, the wreckage would be confined in a relatively small area.
.
This is the most glaring item to me. The wreckage was spread out over several miles, (things were found up to 8 miles away) the only way that could of happened was if it was blown out of the air by air-to-air missile. And the lack of physical evidence at the 'hole' was a nothing but a joke.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 476663
Didn't you watch the old WWII movies where the sub launched personal items out the torpedo tubes to make the ship above think the sub had been hit? I think Captain Kirk had to resort to such tactics on one or two occasions.
Translation: If they were smart enough to try to fake a crash landing, they would have thought about spreading shit around to make it look authentic.
Flight 93 impacted at near the speed of sound and close to verticle, like a missle.
Also, wreckage from the plane was found scattered over many miles.
If it crashed straight down, the wreckage would be confined in a relatively small area.
.
This is the most glaring item to me. The wreckage was spread out over several miles, (things were found up to 8 miles away) the only way that could of happened was if it was blown out of the air by air-to-air missile. And the lack of physical evidence at the 'hole' was a nothing but a joke.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 476663
NO, that is not the only way it could have happened!
If the aircraft was out of control and coming down WAY OVER SPEED, it very well could have started breaking up as it was coming down. That could have caused some parts to be seperate from the main crash site.
Further more WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU? YOU have access to EVERY photo of the pieces of debri drug out of the impact site? So that YOU can hazard an absolute statement on lack of physical evidence? Please tell us how you got access to this because as far as I know the general public doesn't have it.
Fuel? How much fuel did it actually have at that point? It had been flying around for quite some time by then. Couple this with the possibility that it broke up in mid air and most of the fuel would have evaporated before hitting the ground.
Personally I find it quite laughable that so many totally ignorant people regarding what to expect in crash debri from any given situation go and make concrete judgement statements obout what happens in any particular crash.
ASSHOUSE, you are full of BS. You are a misinfo criminal
Quoting: DarkStarCrashes 476623
The best you can do is a personal attack?
Tell me why I'm wrong if you can, which I doubt.
But since you started this, let's talk about YOU.
People like YOU are friggen traitors that should be rounded up and shipped off to some place they can be happy, like Turkmenistan, or Swaziland or some other enjoyable location.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 476623 7/31/2008 5:36 PM
People like YOU are friggen traitors that should be rounded up and shipped off to some place they can be happy, like Turkmenistan, or Swaziland or some other enjoyable location.
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