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| kits
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7/31/2008 11:27 AM
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Iran has categorically dismissed the UAE's repeated claim of sovereignty over the three Persian Gulf islands, calling it unfounded. "The three Persian Gulf islands are forever part of Iran's territory and any claim made by the UAE is baseless," Deputy Foreign Minister for Legal and International Affairs, Mohammad-Ali Hosseini, said. ...The islands are an inseparable part of Iran's soil, adding the claim is a blatant interference in the domestic affairs of his country. ...
Iran says historic and legal documents prove its sovereignty over the islands of Abu Musa and Greater and Lesser Tunbs. International documents indicate the islands, historically Iranian territory, were temporarily under British control when the UK had a presence in the region. However, the islands were formally returned to Tehran on November 30, 1971 following the withdrawal of British forces from the area. Quoting: [link to www.presstv.ir]
It's an interesting situation. This seems like a very peculiar time to be making claims of this sort, if it were entirely random. UAE, a Western ally and long thought to be the NWO's crown of the middle east, may be acting under the direction of its "betters." Not only does this conflict further destabilize Iran, but it fits perfectly with what is a major puzzle piece. The proposed US Blockade of Iran calls for the occupation of the islands the UAE is now laying claim to. The issue with the plans in the US Congress of course was that a Blockade itself is considered an economic act of war, and invading a sovereign nations territory is a military act of war. A Blockade under those plans and conditions isn't a Blockade at all, but a declaration of war. So now it's a few days since Congress realized this and rejected the plans because of it, and we find UAE demanding Iran surrender some of its islands.
Take a look at this map, it shows you where the three islands in question are located:
[link to www.lib.utexas.edu]
They're directly in the middle of the narrow area leading into the Strait of Hormuz. That's blockade central. If you were going to lock down that area, none of the islands in the Gulf would be more beneficial for ground based command and support operations, enabling heightened monitoring and air capabilities. Anti-missile systems, listening posts, airstrips, naval resupply, command centers - everything you would need could fit there, and the positioning would be optimal. Fantastic security net, fantastic capabilities.
UAE wants those islands all-of-the-sudden because the West and TPTB want those islands. West/TPTB wants those islands because they have every intention of locking down Hormuz, and instigating a war with Iran. And it couldn't be any more obvious.
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| ano
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7/31/2008 11:43 AM | | Re: UAE Demands Iran Surrender Territory For US Blockade Operations | Quote |
Bomb Iran ..can we keep iran too. |
| kits
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7/31/2008 11:59 AM | | Re: UAE Demands Iran Surrender Territory For US Blockade Operations | Quote |
This is critical information. Nobody here is interested in it? That's absolutely ridiculous. You see the West setting up for the blockade and war, in the open, and nobody's interested beyond some sadistic warmonger.
An article related to the original post:
ABU DHABI: US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice will meet Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari along with eight other Arab leaders in Abu Dhabi (UAE) on Monday in a bid to persuade them to be in a “comfort zone” with Iraq’s Shiite-dominated government. The US Secretary will also discuss Iran and Lebanon at the talks. ... Earlier, Rice on a visit to Ireland warned Iran to freeze its uranium enrichment programme within two weeks or face punitive measures, reports Iranian Press TV. ... Secretary of Iran's Supreme National Security Council Saeed Jalili and the EU Foreign Policy Chief Javier Solana, accompanied by representatives of the Group 5+1 (China, Russia, France, Britain and the US – plus Germany), held a new round of talks in Geneva on Saturday aimed at resolving Tehran's nuclear standoff. For the first time in the standoff between Iran and the West over the issue, the US sent a high-ranking official, Under Secretary of State William Burns, to the talks. "The meeting sent a very strong message to the Iranians that they can't go and stall ... and that they have to make a decision," Rice told reporters en route to Abu Dhabi. "It clarifies Iran's choices and we will see what Iran does in two weeks." ... Quoting: [link to www.xpress4me.com]
Interesting how that news article suggested at the beginning that this meeting was about Iraq, but after mentioning that, spent the rest of the article talking about Iran. Also interesting that this took place in the UAE, with so many countries attending, and that Rice comments that it sent a very strong message to Iran, followed by reiterating (she and others have said this many, many times recently) that they have "two weeks." Two weeks are almost up, and yes, I suppose we will see what Iran does.
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| Kanigo2
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7/31/2008 12:09 PM | | Re: UAE Demands Iran Surrender Territory For US Blockade Operations | Quote |
I am interested kits and it is a good find.
But, a claim of ownership- does not a territory make.
There are governors and people on that island that are very pro-iran.
Interesting, but sovereign territory.
I bet a little research may provide a little more historical perspective on the issue.
To do that we would need the exact names of the islands in question.
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7/31/2008 12:21 PM | | Re: UAE Demands Iran Surrender Territory For US Blockade Operations | Quote |
I am interested kits and it is a good find.
But, a claim of ownership- does not a territory make.
There are governors and people on that island that are very pro-iran.
Interesting, but sovereign territory.
I bet a little research may provide a little more historical perspective on the issue.
To do that we would need the exact names of the islands in question. Quoting: Kanigo2
I'm not interested in the legalicy perspective, nor should you be. That's not the concern which holds priority. What matters is that UAE is calling for Iran to surrender those territories, and that UAE wants them because US/West/TPTB wants them, and US/West/TPTB wants them for use in closing Hormuz. What's more: Iran would never surrender any territory - especially islands of such an extreme amount of strategic value. Especially when those islands would be used against Iran in a major way. That means if US/West/TPTB wants them, they're going to have to take them by force. They already have a plan drawn up for it, I'm not sure why UAE needs to be involved at this point, but they're clearly demonstrating intention to take those islands and to get their war started.
That's all that matters - the events unfolding now which lead to WW3.
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| kits
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7/31/2008 12:26 PM | | Re: UAE Demands Iran Surrender Territory For US Blockade Operations | Quote |
Addressing your other comments:
I've already posted the exact names of the islands and a link to a map showing their locations. I assume you didn't actually read the original post, and so that's why you didn't see those names and why you think this is just some territorial dispute.
Also, the islands are legal Iranian territory. Iran holds and controls them politically and militarily - just because the UAE wants them now doesn't change anything. It's still Iranian territory. The demand is absurd.
But like I said, this is about UAE attempting to claim those Islands for US/West/TPTB, to be used for the Hormuz blockade, and war with Iran, leading to WW3. All other aspects are unimportant, completely dwarfed by the obscure implications of this.
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| Kanigo2
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7/31/2008 12:45 PM | | Re: UAE Demands Iran Surrender Territory For US Blockade Operations | Quote |
Kits that map does not show the names of the islands.
Are these islands to the east or west of Qeshm?
Abu musa? Tunbs? sirri?
Are they Claiming Qeshm?
The three islands to the east of qeshm are not named.
And there is a legal precedent-Unless in times of war.
If the UAE wants them so bad- go take them...
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| Anonymous Coward
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7/31/2008 12:46 PM | | Re: UAE Demands Iran Surrender Territory For US Blockade Operations | Quote |
What they obviously are NOT smart enough to realize is they will get (WAR) alright!! NOT ONLY WITH IRAN BUT ALSO RUSSIA AND CHINA for they BOTH have been backing IRAN. Do they really think RUSSIA and CHINA will ALLOW this to happen???? NOT!! When are they going to ACCEPT - they've LOST - Their game is OVER!!! The ENTIRE WORLD KNOWS IT!! |
| Anonymous Coward
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7/31/2008 12:50 PM | | Re: UAE Demands Iran Surrender Territory For US Blockade Operations | Quote |
more usa bullying of iran. ya know what happens to bullies... |
| 19.47™
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7/31/2008 12:52 PM | | Re: UAE Demands Iran Surrender Territory For US Blockade Operations | Quote |
Uh oh. I hope that you have all done your shopping. |
| kits
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7/31/2008 12:56 PM | | Re: UAE Demands Iran Surrender Territory For US Blockade Operations | Quote |
Kits that map does not show the names of the islands.
Are these islands to the east or west of Qeshm?
Abu musa? Tunbs? sirri?
Are they Claiming Qeshm?
The three islands to the east of qeshm are not named.
And there is a legal precedent-Unless in times of war.
If the UAE wants them so bad- go take them... Quoting: Kanigo2
The quoted article in my original post states the islands in question are "Abu Musa and Greater and Lesser Tunbs." The map I provided you with, when enlarged, depicts the names of each island. At the entrance of the Straight of Hormuz you will see those three islands, with their names.
Legal precedent unless in war, technically. But US already had intended to invade those islands, Congress turned the proposal down. Now UAE is trying to get them, they're very important islands, this is what's needed to end the stalemate, if/when they are invaded it will be war. Regardless of whether or not Western propaganda "justifies" the invasion claiming Iran "doesn't legally control them" and UAE has "legitimate" claims to them. Even then, it's still and act of war. Iran knows what it owns, Iran will defend its sovereignty. Iran's allies also know what Iran knows, and will be enraged as well.
But perhaps that's what they want. To make Iran look like the aggressor. West "didn't attack Iran," "Iran attacked them." Except, the truth is that the West did in-fact attack Iran, and Iran is just defending itself.
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| Anonymous Coward
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7/31/2008 12:58 PM | | Re: UAE Demands Iran Surrender Territory For US Blockade Operations | Quote |
 It's gonna be an interesting August.Pray. |
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7/31/2008 1:01 PM | | Re: UAE Demands Iran Surrender Territory For US Blockade Operations | Quote |
prey |
| Kanigo2
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7/31/2008 1:05 PM | | Re: UAE Demands Iran Surrender Territory For US Blockade Operations | Quote |
Kits that map does not show the names of the islands.
Are these islands to the east or west of Qeshm?
Abu musa? Tunbs? sirri?
Are they Claiming Qeshm?
The three islands to the east of qeshm are not named.
And there is a legal precedent-Unless in times of war.
If the UAE wants them so bad- go take them...
The quoted article in my original post states the islands in question are "Abu Musa and Greater and Lesser Tunbs." The map I provided you with, when enlarged, depicts the names of each island. At the entrance of the Straight of Hormuz you will see those three islands, with their names.
Legal precedent unless in war, technically. But US already had intended to invade those islands, Congress turned the proposal down. Now UAE is trying to get them, they're very important islands, this is what's needed to end the stalemate, if/when they are invaded it will be war. Regardless of whether or not Western propaganda "justifies" the invasion claiming Iran "doesn't legally control them" and UAE has "legitimate" claims to them. Even then, it's still and act of war. Iran knows what it owns, Iran will defend its sovereignty.
But perhaps that's what they want. To make Iran look like the aggressor. West "didn't attack Iran," "Iran attacked them." Except, the truth is that the West did in-fact attack Iran, and Iran is just defending itself. Quoting: kits
Oh jeez Kits I am sorry that "Link" look exactly same way as when you quote someone in another portion of the thread.
Mental mind fuck there- I only look at that when I want to see who they are quoting...
Why did it turn out so small? I thought GLP re corrected font?
I'll go read it and do a little look up.
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| Anonymous Coward
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7/31/2008 1:07 PM | | Re: UAE Demands Iran Surrender Territory For US Blockade Operations | Quote |
that's like demanding germany to surrender sylt (isle) or demanding hawaii from us or cuba demanding to surrender the dry tortugas from us...totally INSANE
i too, would tell em' to FUCK OFF! who they think they are to demand things like that?! st00pid evil bastards! if they start a war over that shit...then well, we know who started it, no matter what our evil nazi propaganda will try to sell us.
iran can't be blamed for NOT surrendering their territory...now can it?! we also couldn't be blamed for NOT surrendering any territory of ours if one would demand it from us, like hawaii...
nor could germany be blamed for not surrendering sylt (isle)
typical evil nazi behavior and mentality...creating "lebensraum" lol?
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| 89446
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7/31/2008 1:10 PM
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UAE wants those islands all-of-the-sudden because the West and TPTB want those islands. West/TPTB wants those islands because they have every intention of locking down Hormuz, and instigating a war with Iran. And it couldn't be any more obvious. Quoting: kits
Nope, this is not all-of-the-sudden. The issue of the three islands has been simmering all along. Earlier this year the Arab Summit presided by Syria's al Assad called on Iran to end its occupation of the islands and asked for the issue to be kept on the UNSC agenda:
"The continued attempts by Iran to build settlements and conduct wargames in the territorial waters, air space, economic zones and coral reefs of the occupied islands, are all acts that constitute a gross violation of the UAE sovereignty and territorial integrity," said a communique issued at the end of the summit.
The islands of Abu Mousa, the Greater and Lesser Tunbs should be treated as occupied Arab territories," the communique said.
The summit also passed a decision to inform the UN Secretary-General that the issue of the occupied UAE isles be kept on the Security Council's agenda until Iran ends its illegal occupation.
[link to www.gulfnews.com] |
| Anonymous Coward
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7/31/2008 1:15 PM | | Re: UAE Demands Iran Surrender Territory For US Blockade Operations | Quote |
that's like demanding germany to surrender sylt (isle) or demanding hawaii from us or cuba demanding to surrender the dry tortugas from us...totally INSANE
i too, would tell em' to FUCK OFF! who they think they are to demand things like that?! st00pid evil bastards! if they start a war over that shit...then well, we know who started it, no matter what our evil nazi propaganda will try to sell us.
iran can't be blamed for NOT surrendering their territory...now can it?! we also couldn't be blamed for NOT surrendering any territory of ours if one would demand it from us, like hawaii...
nor could germany be blamed for not surrendering sylt (isle)
typical evil nazi behavior and mentality...creating "lebensraum" lol?
or like cuba demanding the florida keys from us... |
| Kanigo2
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7/31/2008 1:19 PM | | Re: UAE Demands Iran Surrender Territory For US Blockade Operations | Quote |
During the 1720s the Qasami had emigrated from the Persian coast and established themselves as a force in Sharjah and Julfar (Ras al-Khaymah, now part of UAE). In the period 1747-59, a branch of the Qasemi from Sharjah established itself on the Persian littoral, but it was expelled in 1767. By 1780, the Qasemi branch was re-established on the Persian coast and began to feud with other coastal tribes over pasturage in the islands off Langeh. In the Iranian argument for the ownership of the disputed islands, this is a vital point, that the Qasami controlled the islands while they were located on the Persian coast, not when they later emigrated to the UAE coast. As of April 1873, the islands were reported as a dependency of the [Persian] Fars province to the British Resident, which the Resident acknowledged. In the period 1786-1835 the official British opinion, surveys, and maps identified the Tonbs as part of Langeh, subject to the government of the province of Fars. Chief among them were the works of Lt. John McCluer (1786), political counselor John Macdonald Kinneir (1813), and Lt. George Barns Brucks (1829)[4].
Source:
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
This is UAE's Claim on the Islands.
Iran was given the Islands when Britain gave up control of the area and removed troops.
(Update) but in 1901 decide they can go in whenever they feel like it and take them back.
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That went really well on the upload there mods. Good timing.
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7/31/2008 1:29 PM
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Now UAE is trying to get them, they're very important islands, this is what's needed to end the stalemate, if/when they are invaded it will be war. Quoting: kits
The islands are not that strategically important in a conflict. They were irrelevant in the 1980s when the US destroyed Iran's fleet. They are not more than pieces of rock.
However the islands are important economically because it gives their owner the right to use the resources in a certain area around them. I think that is what is at stake between UAE and Iran, not their strategic value in a conflict. |
| Anonymous Coward
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7/31/2008 1:30 PM | | Re: UAE Demands Iran Surrender Territory For US Blockade Operations | Quote |
This does appear to be another angle of attack that some idiot in the Pentagon came up with, obvious one of those civilians working directly under Cheney and Gates (leftover from Feith) that has no clue of what the consequences of a certain action will entail, (see Iraq invasion aftermath for reference).
Once again they are about to chew off more than they can swallow and this time it will be far worse. I don't know how much they are bribing the UAE leaders to toe the line and puppet this nonsense but I guarantee them that it will lead to their downfall when Iran bombs the hell out of UAE if they were to be so stupid and attempt to invade the islands. |
| kits
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7/31/2008 1:33 PM | | Re: UAE Demands Iran Surrender Territory For US Blockade Operations | Quote |
Nope, this is not all-of-the-sudden. The issue of the three islands has been simmering all along. Earlier this year the Arab Summit presided by Syria's al Assad called on Iran to end its occupation of the islands and asked for the issue to be kept on the UNSC agenda:
"The continued attempts by Iran to build settlements and conduct wargames in the territorial waters, air space, economic zones and coral reefs of the occupied islands, are all acts that constitute a gross violation of the UAE sovereignty and territorial integrity," said a communique issued at the end of the summit.
The islands of Abu Mousa, the Greater and Lesser Tunbs should be treated as occupied Arab territories," the communique said.
The summit also passed a decision to inform the UN Secretary-General that the issue of the occupied UAE isles be kept on the Security Council's agenda until Iran ends its illegal occupation.
[ link to www.gulfnews.com]
I see. I should've taken a moment to look up the history of the islands. Regardless, Iran has political and military control over the islands. They consider them sovereign territory, even if the UAE claims it also. It might also be helpful to mention that when Hussein invaded Iran, he claimed one of his reasons for doing it was to liberate these islands. Of course it later turned out he was being supported by America, so we might see some replay on that. "Liberate" those islands for the UAE. If so, it's still war.
I still feel this is a very important issue, and I still feel this current push may be related to Rice's threats while in the Emirates. The US wants to control them, already had planned to attack them, would find their occupation extremely beneficial, the territorial dispute will likely at least provide another tally for support of that invasion. And if it's done, as TPTB are pushing for, the result it be the same as I noted in above posts. You're revelation just makes it less imminent.
I thank you for that though, good information.
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| Kanigo2
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7/31/2008 1:43 PM | | Re: UAE Demands Iran Surrender Territory For US Blockade Operations | Quote |
Just makes sure that we are on the same page kits.
I am more concerned with irrational decision making- like we see around here alot.
I do not discount the importance of what you are saying.
and I do not see anywhere here that you made a mistake...
This may well be the straw that broke the camels back(pun intended).
The fact that this has come up again will now become a posturing event. Apparently those island always have been about posturing.
Who acts first? Does the war start from this choke point?
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7/31/2008 1:55 PM
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Well I also beg to differ with you guys regarding the islands' importance in a blockade. Look at the map. A blockade would be enforced miles outside Hormuz, in the area between Oman's NE tip and Iran, not in the middle of the tight Straits. |
| kits
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7/31/2008 1:59 PM | | Re: UAE Demands Iran Surrender Territory For US Blockade Operations | Quote |
Just makes sure that we are on the same page kits.
I am more concerned with irrational decision making- like we see around here alot.
I do not discount the importance of what you are saying.
and I do not see anywhere here that you made a mistake...
This may well be the straw that broke the camels back(pun intended).
The fact that this has come up again will now become a posturing event. Apparently those island always have been about posturing.
Who acts first? Does the war start from this choke point? Quoting: Kanigo2
That's right. That's Persian Gulf prime real estate. It's Boardwalk and Park Place with hotels. Anything entering or exiting the Gulf has to transit through them first. That's why you see them changing hands so often through history, why the UAE and Iran are fighting over them now, and why the US DoD just attempted to get clearance to invade and occupy them. Before Oman and Jazireh-ye Qeshm, they're the best for controlling shipping.
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| kits
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7/31/2008 2:02 PM | | Re: UAE Demands Iran Surrender Territory For US Blockade Operations | Quote |
Well I also beg to differ with you guys regarding the islands' importance in a blockade. Look at the map. A blockade would be enforced miles outside Hormuz, in the area between Oman's NE tip and Iran, not in the middle of the tight Straits. Quoting: 89446
It wouldn't be just a one-dimensional line you'd have to cross. Activity like that would require a three-dimensional approach with several lines of defense. Between those islands and the Strait itself lies critical territory to be patrolled and controlled, you may even want to extend a line into the Gulf of Oman, and further patrols into the Gulf of Persia, particularly the Iranian coast area. The objective is to have a large area netted, to better monitor the area, and to have several lines of defense in case some slip through. Like I said, those islands can also be used to base aircraft for air superiority, support and reconnaissance missions and can be used from ground command centers, naval resupply, and so forth.
Beyond that, the US DoD already tried to get approval to invade them for this very purpose. So regardless of whether or not you or I deem it necessary, the DoD does - and the DoD is more likely to do what it thinks it should do, than what either of us thinks it needs to do.
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| Kanigo2
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7/31/2008 2:05 PM | | Re: UAE Demands Iran Surrender Territory For US Blockade Operations | Quote |
Well I also beg to differ with you guys regarding the islands' importance in a blockade. Look at the map. A blockade would be enforced miles outside Hormuz, in the area between Oman's NE tip and Iran, not in the middle of the tight Straits. Quoting: 89446
Yeah that's what I was thinking also?
What we really need are the locations where all those boat killer missiles are fired from.
[link to www.noahshachtman.com]
[link to www.murdoconline.net]
But it is this video:
[link to www.liveleak.com]
is the one Hawk is talking about.The land based ones.
Man I can't wait for Hawk tonight.
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7/31/2008 2:23 PM | | Re: UAE Demands Iran Surrender Territory For US Blockade Operations | Quote |
And yes it would be in the Hormuz not just the Southern Oman as they've already acknowledged this. Those islands are of particular strategic importance as they would be dead center in the middle of the blockade.
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| kits
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7/31/2008 2:46 PM | | Re: UAE Demands Iran Surrender Territory For US Blockade Operations | Quote |
Relating to the Strait of Hormuz:
Operation Praying Mantis
On 18 April 1988, the U.S. Navy waged a one-day battle against Iranian forces in and around the strait. The battle, dubbed Operation Praying Mantis by the U.S. side, was launched in retaliation for the 14 April mining of the USS Samuel B. Roberts (FFG-58). U.S. forces sank two Iranian warships, Joshan and as many as six armed speedboats in the engagement.
The downing of Iran Air 655
On July 3, 1988, 290 people were killed when an Iran Air Airbus A300 passenger jet was shot down over the strait by the United States Navy guided missile cruiser USS Vincennes. There is still lingering controversy about the event, considered among the most controversial tragedies in aviation history.
2008 US-Iranian naval dispute
A series of naval stand-offs between Iranian speedboats and US warships in the Strait of Hormuz occurred in December 2007 and January 2008. US officials accused Iran of harassing and provoking their naval vessels; Iranian officials denied these allegations. On January 14, 2008, US naval officials appeared to contradict the Pentagon version of the Jan. 16 event, in which U.S. officials said U.S. vessels were near to firing on approaching Iranian boats. The Navy's regional commander, Vice Admiral Kevin Cosgriff, said the Iranians had "neither anti-ship missiles nor torpedoes" and that he "wouldn't characterize the posture of the US 5th Fleet as afraid of these small boats".
2008 Iranian Threats
On June 29, 2008, the commander of Iran's Revolutionary Guard, Ali Mohammed Jafari, stated that if Iran were attacked by Israel or the United States, it would seal off the Strait of Hormuz, thereby wreaking havoc in oil markets. This statement followed other more ambiguous threats from Iran's oil minister and other government officials that a Western attack on Iran would result in oil supply turmoil.
In response, Vice Admiral Kevin Cosgriff, commander of the U.S. 5th Fleet stationed in Bahrain across the Persian Gulf from Iran, warned that such an action by Iran would be considered an act of war, and that the U.S. would not allow Iran to effectively hold hostage nearly a third of the world's oil supply.
On July 8, 2008, Ali Shirazi, a mid-level clerical aide to Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, was quoted by the student news agency ISNA as saying to Revolutionary Guards, "The Zionist regime is pressuring White House officials to attack Iran. If they commit such a stupidity, Tel Aviv and U.S. shipping in the Persian Gulf will be Iran's first targets and they will be burned."
One analyst concluded that Iran could seal off or impede traffic in the Strait for a month, and a U.S. attempt to reopen it would likely escalate the conflict. Quoting: [link to en.wikipedia.org]
Hormuz is important, those islands are important. In blockade/conflict against Iran no sea area would be more important. There would be heavy Iranian military activity concentrated there and unless you want to to commit an overkill amount of fleets to operations, that's a fantastic place to cut off much of Iran's international trade. Hormuz is the key. Those islands are of fantastic value.
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| 89446
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7/31/2008 4:01 PM
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It wouldn't be just a one-dimensional line you'd have to cross. Activity like that would require a three-dimensional approach with several lines of defense. Between those islands and the Strait itself lies critical territory to be patrolled and controlled, you may even want to extend a line into the Gulf of Oman, and further patrols into the Gulf of Persia, particularly the Iranian coast area. The objective is to have a large area netted, to better monitor the area, and to have several lines of defense in case some slip through. Like I said, those islands can also be used to base aircraft for air superiority, support and reconnaissance missions and can be used from ground command centers, naval resupply, and so forth. Quoting: kits
Those islands are too small to base aircraft or any serious defense facilities on them.
And when we're talking about a blockade, we're talking about closing commercial maritime traffic into and out of Iranian harbors, right? Well that would be done by placing naval assets outside Hormuz, in the Gulf of Oman + neutralising Iranian naval assets. There is no need to get hold of a couple of puny islands in the middle of the Hormuz to do that.
If you want to see an island that might play a strategic role take a look at Kish island. Then compare to the islands we're talking about. Huge difference. Kish even has an airport.
My opinion - the islands disputed by UAE and Iran have an economic stake, not a military one. |
| kits
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8/1/2008 8:33 AM | | Re: UAE Demands Iran Surrender Territory For US Blockade Operations | Quote |
Those islands are too small to base aircraft or any serious defense facilities on them.
And when we're talking about a blockade, we're talking about closing commercial maritime traffic into and out of Iranian harbors, right? Well that would be done by placing naval assets outside Hormuz, in the Gulf of Oman + neutralising Iranian naval assets. There is no need to get hold of a couple of puny islands in the middle of the Hormuz to do that.
If you want to see an island that might play a strategic role take a look at Kish island. Then compare to the islands we're talking about. Huge difference. Kish even has an airport.
My opinion - the islands disputed by UAE and Iran have an economic stake, not a military one. Quoting: 89446
1- DoD has already stated intentions to invade and use those islands during this sort of scenario to supplement their capabilities.
2- Hormuz would be the primary objective. The USN would not ignore Hormuz. The USN would lock down and patrol Hormuz. The DoD has already declared that to be priority number one in a blockade scenario. That is public information, which MSM was even provided, and in turn provided the public. Beyond that, if you don't think intense action in Hormuz is called for, then clearly you know little of naval warfare, history and tactics. That's the narrowest point, the most active point, it's a choke point.
3- Look at the data on those islands, look at satellite imagery. Abu Musa itself is a large area, much of it open. It also happens to have an airport which boasts a 2.5 mile runway. Fighters, bombers and cargo planes could land there. It could be used for flying surveillance, CAP, and all other needed mission types, including resupply.
4- As I said, all islands could be used for monitoring stations, command centers, missile systems, to base soldiers and supplies, and they would make an excellent area for which to temporarily dump detainees. The importance of those three islands cannot be overstated. They are extremely, extremely beneficial.
They are "not too small to base aircraft or any serious defense capabilities on them," A blockade wouldn't be done by only placing ships outside of Hormuz, furthermore that suggestion is absolutely ridiculous, there may be "no need" but it is unmistakably beneficial and when an advantage is available you take it. Your whole assertion is nonsense. But considering you're ignoring all the facts I stated above, including the DoD already asking to invade those islands for the blockade, and the DoD already saying they would infact blockade Hormuz, and considering I've mentioned that several times in this thread already, I suspect the truth isn't exactly what you're after.
People don't ignore the facts against their position when they are speaking in search of the truth. People do that when they're attempting to distract from the truth.
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| Smerk
User ID: 471659
8/1/2008 8:46 AM | | Re: UAE Demands Iran Surrender Territory For US Blockade Operations | Quote |
This should go down well. |
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