Jehovah is Satan/Lucifer/ Embodiment of Evil... READ!!!

I bet you are going off the texts that said God was first then the image of God then the forethought then the wisdom and so forth...The feminine created an imperfect god and this was the demiurge, the creator. Yaoldobath, the jealous god....I will put my money on Michael, but I wouldnt go so far out on a limb as to curse God our Provider.

I agree with you about Jehovah = Satan

but Jehovah is not Lucifer

Be aware some centuries ago Lucifer was


Who then is Lucifer?
Dr. Roy Blizzard, a well-known Hebrew roots scholar, offers some insightful background, "The history of the origin of a being called Lucifer is interesting. The word Lucifer comes from the Latin verb, luceo, lucere, luxi, which means to shine, to glow, glitter, to be clear. It is light, day dawning. The adjective, lucidus-a-um, means shining, bright, clear, lucid. The noun, lucifer-eri, means the morning star, the planet Venus, or a day. It comes from the adjective lucifer-era-erum, shiny."

The Bible includes no character named Lucifer. Isaiah had never heard of such a being. Nor had the apostles of Jesus’ day. Lucifer, as a manifestation of the devil, is a later invention. We find no association between helel ben shachar of Isaiah 14:12 and Satan until the time of Tertullian (c. 160-230 C.E.) and Origen (c. 185-254 C.E.). The proper name "Lucifer" does not find its way into a translation until Jerome’s time, some 150 years later.

Dr. Watts summarizes, "The apparent reflection of a ‘Lucifer myth’ in v. 12 is just that. It is a simile to picture the fall and disgrace of the tyrant." We learn nothing of the origins of Satan from this story.

Is There a Real Lucifer?
Isaiah 14 is not speaking about the devil, or Lucifer. It is a prophecy against the King of Babylon. The prophecy is delivered in almost florid language. It is colorful and poetic, but it contains no "type of the devil," and no figure called Lucifer. The question then arises, could there be a real Lucifer who is not the devil?

The name Lucifer has been closely associated with various pagan gods including the planet Venus, Apollo and Pan. Venus of course is the morning star which "brings light." Pan was the god who looked like a goat and who entered the fields where peasants worked, frightening them with his presence. This is where the word "panic" originates.

Scripture tells us that pagan idolatry is, in fact, the worship of demons (Deuteronomy 32:17; Psalm 106:36-37; I Corinthians 10:20). The gods of the Romans were not new. They were simply the same ancient gods of earlier peoples – the Sumerians, Babylonians, Egyptians, Canaanites, Persians and the Greeks. With the introduction into new cultures, these gods were renamed and new, culturally relevant, stories were attached to their mythology. In ancient times, the stars and planets were thought to be celestial beings to whom one must sacrifice to be blessed. The planet later known as Venus had been worshipped from very early times. She was always a "light-bringer" of some sort.

In the Sumerian religion, the most important goddess in the pantheon was Innana or Ninanna, the "mistress of heaven." "As an astral deity Inanna represents the planet Venus, the morning and evening star." Later, she becomes known as Ishtar, the goddess of the morning and evening star (ibid. p. 56). Says Ringgren, "Ishtar, identified with the Sumerian Ananna, is as an astral deity the planet Venus, the morning and evening star…Her name is etymologically identical with the West Semitic Astarte…and with the South Arabian male deity ‘Athtar or Astar, who in Arabia may perhaps be Venus, but in Ethiopia the god of heaven in general…It is possible that originally this was a bisexual deity"(ibid. p. 59).

This false deity crops up in "…several local forms, which to a certain extent at least may be regarded as having their own individuality, rather in the same way as do the local Madonna’s in Roman Catholicism. There was an Ishtar of Nineveh, an Ishtar of Arbela, and an Ishtar of Bit-kitmuri" (ibid. p. 59).

The bi-sexuality of the "god" may have to do with the morning and evening aspects of Venus. Says Ringgren, "…we are dealing with a differentiation of a deity who was originally bisexual or of indeterminate sex. (In Ugarit there are personal names which describe ‘Athtar both as ‘father’ and as ‘mother’.) Since Ishtar-Astarte was in any case very early connected with the planet Venus, it has been suggested that we are dealing with the role of the planet as morning and evening star" (ibid. p. 142).

Venus worship was prominent in neo-Babylon as much as it was in most other ancient cultures. "Stars" such as Venus were often looked upon as living entities – guardian angels or deities to whom worship was owed. Nebuchadnezzar had such an angel who was known as Kal. Says Dr. Blizzard; "It would appear that the prophet, in attributing to the king of Babylon boastful pride followed by a fall, borrowed from a popular legend connected with the morning star."

According to Scripture, behind the gods of the ancients were in unclean spirits of varying ranks who continued to influence pagan cultures down through history. A high-ranking demon known as "Lucifer" could have been behind Venus worship – or Apollo worship, or Pan worship. There could be many demons named "Lucifer." One demon can have many names, or many demons can have one name (i.e. "Legion").

Aftermaths
We may conclude, then, that Isaiah 14 tells us nothing about the origin and fall of Satan, and that it does not identify Satan as "Lucifer." The subject of the chapter is the king of Babylon, whom God is about to punish. The king will join other deceased world leaders in Sheol, the place of the dead. Though in life he exalted himself to god-like status, in death all of his strength will disappear. People will look at this "corpse trampled underfoot" (Isaiah 14:19b) and ask each other, "Is this the man who shook the earth and made kingdoms tremble?"(v. 16).

All of the kings of Babylon were idolaters. They worshipped gods behind which were demonic spirits. In the face of divine wrath, none of these was able to help the king of Babylon. The mighty neo-Babylonian Empire itself disappeared into the sands of history when the city of Babylon reluctantly opened its gates to the conquering king of Persia in 539 B.C.E. It had lasted just 86 years (625-539 B.C.E.). Though Nebuchadnezzar was not the last king of Babylon, there is a tradition, preserved by Ibn Ezra, that he was dragged out of his grave and cast about just as Isaiah 14:19 suggests.

Under one of his successors, Nabonidus, and Nabonidus’s son, Belshazzar, the Babylonian Empire fell incrementally apart. Nabonidus had undertaken a religious reform to rededicate the nation to the worship of the moon god, Sin. His own mother became high priestess to the moon god in the city of Harran.

The last years of the Babylonian Empire were years of tragedy, palace intrigue and royal murders. Nebuchadnezzar’s son, Evil-Merodach (II Kings 25:27) was assassinated after reigning only two years. Neriglassar survived only one year longer on the throne of Babylon. Labashi-Marduk, who ascended the throne as a child was murdered within a year of his accession.

Nabonidus prayed to one god to preserve him from another. In an inscription found cut into a rock face at the side of and old road used by both Assyrian and Babylonian armies as they traveled to reach the Mediterranean north of Beirut, Nabonidus prays, "(O Moon god) preserve me, Nabonidus, king of Babylon, from Sin. To give me the gift of long life, and as regards Belshazzar, my first born, my dear offspring, put in his heart reverence for thy high divinity."

This same king refers to Marduk as "the lord of the gods" and to Sin as the "lamp of heaven and earth"(ibid.).

The "lamp of heaven and earth" was of no help to the "shining ones" of Babylon. God had asserted His supremacy over the false deities of that great kingdom, and over the kings that worshiped them. Reverence for their "high divinity" accomplished nothing in the face of God’s wrath. The Lord broke the rod, or scepter, of the wicked kings of Babylon (Isaiah14: 5) and freed the children of Israel from Babylonian oppression.

Though ha Satan – the Adversary – stands behind all the ungodly rulers of this world’s system, there is no evidence in Isaiah 14 that the Bible calls him Lucifer, or that this chapter speaks of the origins of the devil. In reality, there is no competition between God and the devil. God can, and does, overrule him any time he wishes to do so. He elevates leaders to office, and removes them (Daniel 2:21, 4:32). Satan operates only with the express permission of God. He is enabled or empowered by human disobedience to God. He is defeated by those who submit themselves to God – in fact, he actually flees from those who resist him in this way (James 4:7). Our Lord defeated Satan and his hordes of demons and subsequently made an open show of them, parading them through cosmic streets like a Roman Centurion with a defeated enemy in tow (Colossians 2:15).

Today, ha Satan is living on borrowed time. When Messiah comes, Satan will exit the scene for a thousand years (Revelation 20:1-2). Peace will break out when the true Light Bringer is on the scene.



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Job 2.1
And there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before Jehovah, and Satan also came among them to present himself before Jehovah.

the two are not the same

job 2.2

And Jehovah said to Satan, From whence comest thou? And Satan answered Jehovah and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

Well, as for The Most High Elohim,(God) being "satan" I agree. The Tetragram, However is not righttfully pronounced or represented as "Jehovah" maybe Jehovah IS the Devil!! Consider this...

SHOCKING IMPLICATIONS OF ‘JEHOVAH’

We now see how the first part of the Sacred Name “Yah” was changed to “Jeh” as the “J” developed the “a” was replaced with “e” to hid the name.

The suffix “hovah” is No. 1943 in STRONG’S Hebrew Dictionary and has the meaning of “ruin: mischief.” It is another form of No. 1942, havvah, which is translated “calamity, iniquity, mischief, mischievous (thing), naughtiness, naughty, noisome, perverse thing, substance, very wickedness.”

BROWN, DRIVER, BRIGGS, GESENIUS says of No. 1943, hovah: “ruin, disaster.”

From this we can see the folly of calling the Creator of this universe-the One we worship-Jehovah. For in calling upon this hybrid name we are in actuality beseeching a mighty one whose name carries the meaning. “The One Who creates ruin, creates naughtiness, creates perverse things, and creates very wickedness.”

Satan must certainly have a field day when mankind ignorantly refers to Yahweh by the name Je-hovah – a name that perfectly fits Satan himself as the Destroyer!


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like,uh, dude, you need to like do some more like RESEARCH.

start by like ditching that Bible thing and like broaden your horizons, or something.

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What a load of shit
You "lucifer not satanists" have been somewhat busy with your spin campaign on a variety of sites.
Fact Lucifer = Satan
Fact JEHOVAH is not Satan
Do you think by ditching Satan and using Lucifer you can sucker in fools for your cause? This crap is not new by any means.
Its like when you arseholes try to palm off the Maitreya = Jesus scam.
Go hug a cactus!

Arguing about the motivations of an anciant tribal diety like Jehovah is fruitless. You might just as well argue about the good Easter Bunny vs the evil Easter Bunny. Religion is politics and gods are the ultimate invisible party whips. They can keep torturing you after you are dead, if you are mentally challenged enough to actually believe in them while you are alive.

what about Jesus?
Lucifer = star of the morning
Lucifer = the bright morning star

same person?

When I first discovered this concept, it was mind shocking, but it is the only thing that makes sense. Gnostic theology basically.

Pruning the genome; kinda puts some of those global genocides throughout history in a new light. Not to mention witch-burning and rape as a favorite weapon of conquerors.

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OP, this is quite close to being identical with the gnostic heresy which claimed Jehovah to be the demiurge and satan the true god.

It's not true, and leads to really bad things. It leads to satanism and illuminism. Most of the horrors of the past 100 years have been perpetrated by people subscribing to this heresy.

Jehovah is God, not satan.

Which one fills the criteria for homicidal psychopath?

It amazes me to read the theories of those who are partially or non-informed on the subject of religion. Briefly, Jehovah's original title was YAWEH, or more exactly,YWH, in written form. If these people are aware of this fact, they need only admit their writings are opinions, or at most, an understanding as they perceive without confirmation by a scholar who is more informed than they are.

If anyone wishes to comment about such rich and deep subjects-religion being the most complex and revealing-it would take many years to grasp the origins of various peoples in so many different cultures through milennia, and I doubt they could offer much to today's readers...

Authors who feel qualified to make assertions on this subject would have to be unbiased to begin, and with a certain humility, head their writing with a forwarding statement that they do NOT know beans about the subject, but have made a study and NOT express an opinion on anything.

Offering heated opinions has always been the catalyst for wars, hatred, and division of the human race. Don't make any trouble over a subject that has never been unanimously agreed upon.

If anyone feels they need to make an opinion in writing, study as much as possible most of the religions that began over 100,000 years ago, not just a few thousand years. It might be a surprise to find much of the religions today are based upon the ancient beliefs of long, long ago.
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Jesus plainly told the Jewish people that they had never seen God nor heard his voice; that they were of their father, the devil. The fact that Jehovah is Satan is confirmed in 2 Samuel 24:1 and 1 Chron. 21:1. The Old Testament reports that the Jews had seen Jehovah and heard his voice many times.



2 Samuel 24:1 And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah.

1 Chronicles 21:1 And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.

I now totally agree with this fact, Jehovah is Satan, creator of Satan- for the bible says "Evil begets evil!"
Jehovah even colludes with Satan throughout the bible like in the life and times of Job. Ye in the bible we are instructed not to marry with the people of Baal, as he and Satan barter for the spoils of their war on our earth, our human spirits. Satan has a designated role in our world, issued to him by Jehovah.Twas jehovah who threw Satan into our world from heaven we are told. Since they have done nothing but collude in our world together secretly as we sleep.The ruse is simple. we are told we have to chose between heaven a slave to jehovah and jesus or we chose hell and Satan. But what if its all a dirty lie, what if we have other options in the next life other than slavery and servitude to either. I have the courage to find out in the next life - do u !

you are sick, and will reap your reward at God's hand. you are evil personified. To put this on the internet is dispicable.[googlevid]

both?

The Grand Scheme is to idolize jehovah the ruthless through Jesus the meek timid lion of god. Then jehovah gets his ruthless harvest and wee Jesus gets all the glory from his daddy. satan is nothing more than a slave to jehovah, he doin the tempting and jehovah the testing. jehovah and satan divy up the spoils of their war in our world,our eternal enslavement, but for only those with such a limited mind as to accept their premise, that we can only chose between heaven or hell, why- because they tell us so and no other reason.This after-all is not a science only personal faith if one choses to believe in this stuff,mythology.
I will chose neither heaven or hell, neither jehovah, jesus, or satan eternally, I will fight these spiritual totalerians, for they are and have always been in collusion toghether in our world spinning their yarns of godliness.
Our planet is 4 billion years old not 6000 to 8000, our planet was not created in a single week along with the entire universe, this is their deception since we were goat farmers without science and technology available to verify their fables of our origin.
These 3, this trinity of spirits definitely has an agenda in our world, love and mercy not even close to the reality.
They are spiritual imperialists, harvesters, who are arroagant pugneious and conceited enuff to think they have the right to determine our eternal life.
I used to worship, now I freely and willingly do not, for I have wasted enuff of my life worshipping J and J. I have the courage to go into the next life as a free spirit not in need of their spiritual-salvation or their eternal judgements.
The universe is over 15 billion years old, jehovah did not place the stars in the sky as he stated to goat farmers thousands of years ago, it is the big lie of lies.
jehovah did not create the universe - he like us was born into it mortally before us. Let those who feel the same way i do pass into the next life as free spirits too.
Peace be with all and may u find eternal happiness through your own free spiritedness.

People need to read the truth...read about Enki (Satan) and Enlil (Jehovah) They are brothers.

Yes Enki=Jehovah=Lucifer is the head of the illuminati and Annunaki/Reptillian

Satan is the name given to the force of materialization that holds the structure of matter together when it is applied to consciousness where it was never intended. This causes a constriction of consciousness that creates a false belief in separation from source/god and complete individuality which are both false.

THE ILLUMINATI IS NOT REAL!

Jehovah was a breathing REAL MAN..Moses was good buddies as other high priests.. Israelites collected much gold and silver for Jehovah..Moses and other priests never could see his face but spoke of seeing his sandels/feet and hands.
A Evilass con man as many preatchers are today, as swazzart,osteen,fat boy hagee, joyce meyers, most are fake jews themselves and even mention in private how they are "jewish"


EVIL whores whom ride the beast

Jehovah is not satan but rather a jewish-babylonian desert spirit used for jewish bidding.

Jesus never called a jehovah but the Father.

If you see jehovah in any biblical texts know that was inserted by the synagogue of satan to claim ownership towards their cult.

jehovah/yahweh is the evil demi-god in the old testament who loved the smell of burnt sacrificial offerings and demanded worship

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