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The White House is Briefed: Phoenix About to Announce "Potential For Life" on Mars

 
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NASA is a joke, a big joke. They have spent 200 billion on the space shuttle missions, just to go 200 miles up. Wow.
They never ever want to look for life. Europa - a moon with oceans- what the hell does NASA do? They explore Saturns moons in the search for methane.

NASA is arrogant and destructive, they refuse to acknowledge the obvious and have idiots in charge. When the last shuttle was destroyed returning to earth, NASA claimed it was nothing they could have done to save it. Lie, the engineers saw the damage at take off and asked the air force to photograph the shuttle in orbit. The new Woman in charge of operations cancelled the order, and ridiculed the engineers. She was a IDIOT. NASA censors Apollo astronaunts who have reported ET visits and contact. NASA is a joke.

Brief BUSH, another Joke.
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We can only hope the U.S. will abandon Earth for better grounds.
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Now we gonna upset those underground Martians,it War Of The Worlds Folks.H.G.Wells style....lol
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LoL good point we may just be wiping out their population by germ warfare.
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The Earth is 7000 years old. We are unique. There is no life anywhere else in the universe. Please accept this fact. Any statements made to the contrary will be false.


If that is true then we might have a moral obligation to get off our butts and help spread life through the universe so that it has a chance to survive and flourish in the long term.
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Earth is around 4.5 billion years old. We know by testing geology and fossils records. Kennewick Man is more than 9,300 years old, and could be the oldest mummy found.


If anything is found on Mars, Mummy, Fossils, ect.

My theory is that before the great flood covered the earth ( geology and fossils records, plus scriptures, & accounts told about the great flood in different cultures ) That there were space explorers, and advanced technology in those days. Possible some had to stay in space, or flee to Mars or other planets. However I would not put anything past Nasa & Homeland Security to claim they found Aliens, and to increase global security to "save" us. The ISS has been cloning, and making all types of hybrids for years. The globalists have the technology to make a fake invasion. They use MSM, and Hollyweird to make films about it.

Q. What does The Raiders of The Future, and the latest Indiana Jones movie have in common?



A. Martian Mummies.
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If they find Oil an Mars than you can Yippy. Butt for know all you need is some


I'd say Nasa has been taken over by walk-ins, and most of the worlds governments.


Q. What does Antarctica and Mars Have in common.

Black Oil & fossils found in icy plains of Antarctica.

Though mining is banned until 2048, more nations are in a race to gain a toehold on the continent now - hoping to secure a voice when and if the world decides to divide up Antarctica's spoils.

And Now the icy plains of Mars.

Race to Antarctica for oil

[link to www.csmonitor.com]


July 23, 2008 -- Windswept and frigid, Antarctica's Dry Valleys region is among the most inhospitable on Earth. But it wasn't always that way.

Scientists have discovered the fossil of a 14 million-year-old crustacean lurking in the sediments of an ancient lake. Together with well-preserved mosses, these tiny cousins of shrimp -- called Ostracods -- offer new evidence that the icy continent was once much warmer.
[link to dsc.discovery.com]
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That was in response to SixEyedcheeseball.
If they find Oil an Mars than you can Yippy. Butt for know all you need is some ( Beverly hillbillies episode from youtube link.)
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Black Gold, Texas tea, the Beverly Hillbillies!

How about, the X-files Black Oil Alien Virus?


[link to www.youtube.com]

In the series, Black Oil, also called Black Cancer, Purity, and the alien virus, represents an alien entity/life force/virus. It appears as a liquid with the consistency of crude oil, can move on its own, and is sentient. It can hibernate for thousands of years, usually in petroleum deposits. When it comes into contact with humans, it absorbs itself into the host, sometimes appearing to move directly under the skin and over the eyes of the victim. After pooling in the third ventricle of the brain (Vienen), it takes possession of the person and controls them. The oil is able to kill other humans by inflicting massive doses of radiation, though it is somehow able to simultaneously protect its host from injury. According to a conspiracy theorist Fox Mulder encounters, the Black Oil was used by Iraq during the Gulf War.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

[link to www.themareks.com]
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So it was true then: the original Viking mars mission discovered life on Mars back in the 70's and they've been keeping the lid on this info ever since.
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what else is new?

funniest thing is when NASA guys/girls scream that they do not have any secrets...

that's a total crap...

lmao
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NASA is arrogant and destructive, they refuse to acknowledge the obvious and have idiots in charge.
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idiots on a payroll...
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I thought everyone knew that the moon landings were all faked?

Of course we never went there. The whole idea is preposterous.

We can photograph almost every inch of land on our own planet, photograph every planet in the solar system, photograph galaxies that are millions of miles away... but we can't take a photo from the earth of the items left on the moon, after the 'landings'.
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The REAL headline should read "White House briefs NASA on what it can tell the public". In other words what lies can we get away with this time?
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I thought everyone knew that the moon landings were all faked?

Of course we never went there. The whole idea is preposterous.

We can photograph almost every inch of land on our own planet, photograph every planet in the solar system, photograph galaxies that are millions of miles away... but we can't take a photo from the earth of the items left on the moon, after the 'landings'.
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I always find this fascinating. It's like that kid at camp; "Hey, everybody, I found an arrowhead!" "George, that's a rock." And a few minutes later you hear him over by the campfire; "Hey, everybody, look at this arrowhead!" "That's a rock, George." And a few minutes later, he's showing it to some girls down by the creek; "Hey, look at this cool arrowhead I found!" "That's not an arrowhead; that's just a rock!" the girls say.

But he never listens. He never replies. And he never learns.
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I always find this fascinating. It's like that kid at camp; "Hey, everybody, I found an arrowhead!" "George, that's a rock." And a few minutes later you hear him over by the campfire; "Hey, everybody, look at this arrowhead!" "That's a rock, George." And a few minutes later, he's showing it to some girls down by the creek; "Hey, look at this cool arrowhead I found!" "That's not an arrowhead; that's just a rock!" the girls say.

But he never listens. He never replies. And he never learns.
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Then when George has grown up, he got degrees in geology and archeology.

He learnshis arrow head he found as a child was indeed a rock. He also learns the Incas, Aztecs, & Mayans Indians used flint and obsidian to shape tools, knives, and arrowheads. Yes his rock was obsidian, tooled into an arrowhead. He learned His hunch/gut instinct was right.

Now, The reason everyone at his boyhood camp didn't see that it was an arrowhead, was because it was missing the point.....



Always Look closely, so you don't miss the point....
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I'm sorry but there is not any Phoenix on Mars.
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With all due respect OP - I couldn't give a flying f*"k whether there is life on Mars or not....

Ten years ago I would be jumping up and down at the prospect.

Nowadays I never know who to believe and tend to rely on my own intuition.

We are being deceived in virtually everything and we must be careful where we direct our energy.....don't give it away to deceivers....

After all - whatever 'they' find anywhere has been achieved with our sweat equity - ie money and we will never see any payback for it. However, we will be expected to cough up for their next project which I'm sure is waiting in the wings - that is, if they are even ON Mars???????

"You shall know them by their fruits" - ie money....follow it...
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Yea im with star on this one, we definitly cant trust NASA but it will be interesting to see what they claim to come up with.
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The discovery is Oil on mars. Bush is getting briefed so
prepare for a speech saying we must invade Mars in order to solve our energy problems. "Mars has forty-gazillion-million bbls of oil, and we must have it to save our American way of life and save the world from the gas shortages."

America will pull out of Iraq, and send it's military to Mars.

Also expect a red alert from Homeland Security exposing a newly discovered breach in America's defenses, for which we need an additional trillion dollars to keep us, and Mars Oil safe from other countries that want Mars Oil resources.
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okay check this out!
Chemical discovery on Mars stumps Phoenix team

David Perlman, Chronicle Science Editor

Tuesday, August 5, 2008

Scientists analyzing two soil samples their Phoenix spacecraft dug from the surface of Mars announced they have discovered what may be the highly oxidizing chemical called perchlorate, a common component of rocket fuels, explosives and some medicines, they reported Monday.

The surprising discovery in the Martian soil seems contradictory, because if it really is confirmed as a perchlorate compound it suggests that the planet's soil may be very much like Earth's, said Peter Smith, the University of Arizona scientist who heads the Phoenix mission.

However, Smith said in his announcement, "further analysis has revealed un-Earthlike aspects of the soil chemistry."

And whether the chemical actually is perchlorate - or in which of its many compounds it exists in the Martian soil - has not yet been determined, Smith said.

The Phoenix science team would not speculate on whether the chemical is naturally part of the Martian soil or whether it might have contaminated the soil directly around the spacecraft when Phoenix landed gently on the arctic plains of Mars on May 25, slowed by its 12 hydrazine retro-rockets in a blast of gas for its safe upright landing. Hydrazine is not a perchlorate, however.

NASA officials and the scientists will hold a teleconference today to discuss steps the Phoenix team has taken over the past month to pin down the identity of the perchlorate and why an experiment Sunday by one of its instruments found no evidence of the chemical directly above an ice layer that was scraped from soil near the spacecraft.

Two samples of the chemical have now been analyzed and detected on Mars by the spacecraft's miniaturized Wet Chemistry Lab, which is part of a more elaborate series of Phoenix instruments called MECA -for Microscopy, Electrochemistry and Conductivity Analyzer, Smith said.

An earlier measurement of surface soil by another Phoenix instrument called TEGA - for the Thermal and Evolved Gas Analyzer - "was consistent with but not conclusive of the presence of perchlorate," Smith said.

On Earth, perchlorates are used in many types of explosives - including the rockets that blast astronauts into orbit aboard the space shuttles. They are also commonly used in fireworks, in blasting caps and even in medicine as part of a combination treatment for hyperthyroidism.

It is also a serious and toxic environmental contaminant left over from many American chemical plants, and Congress is now in a battle with the Environmental Protection Agency over the EPA's refusal to set safety standards for perchlorates in drinking water and milk.
[link to www.sfgate.com]

and China is on full war alert!
Thread: China on Full War Alert, Missiles locked and loaded, Red Guard Called up. (Page 2)

something bigger is going on here me thinks!
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Or it just could be the contaminated distilled water.

Scientists analyzing two soil samples their Phoenix spacecraft dug from the surface of Mars announced they have discovered what may be the highly oxidizing chemical called perchlorate, a common component of rocket fuels, explosives and some medicines, they reported Monday.

"The analysis is based on a cubic centimetre of soil scooped from 2.5cm (one inch) below Mars' surface by the lander's robotic arm.

The sample was then tested using a technique that involves mixing the soil with water brought from Earth and heating the sample in one of the lander's eight ovens. "

[link to news.bbc.co.uk]

They will probably also find prescription drugs,& sex hormones since the idiots mixed the Mars soil with earth water!

[link to www.dailygalaxy.com]



As if NASA scientists wouldn't be smart enough to only send extremely distilled H2O? Man, I hope they aren't that clueless.



They are.

Mars: Soil Analysis
There are two major problems with testing the Martian soil. Firstly, samples cannot be transported back for testing because the reactions could be dependent on the Martian environment, so the landers must carry out the experiments in situ. Secondly, many techniques perfected on Earth require the use of water, but collecting Mars icy soil stuck to the scoop.
[link to www.universetoday.com]

So the mixing of earth water with the soil for experimental purposes may affect the results to a large degree.

Even bottled distilled earth water. Depending upon the water treatment process used distillation, deionization, reverse osmosis or some other water treatment process. This water originates as either tap water (i.e., from a municipal system) or groundwater.

bottled water testing laboratories

[link to water.usgs.gov]

Bottled Water Contaminants Found in distilled water, bacterias, not to mention the bottles themselves.
[link to waterquality.cce.cornell.edu]

Remember the FDA "regulates" food and water. Just look at all the recalled foods within the past few years. Do you think they do any better with water?

I would like to know what bottled water Nasa uses for these tests. Plastic or glass? Where is the water company located, USA or another country. Recent quality assurance inspections?

"Even when bottled waters are covered by the FDA's rules, they are subject to less rigorous testing and purity standards than those which apply to city tap water (see chart below). For example, bottled water is required to be tested less frequently than city tap water for bacteria and chemical contaminants. In addition, bottled water rules allow for some contamination by E. coli or fecal coliform (which indicate possible contamination with fecal matter), contrary to tap water rules, which prohibit any confirmed contamination with these bacteria. Similarly, there are no requirements for bottled water to be disinfected or tested for parasites such as cryptosporidium or giardia, unlike the rules for big city tap water systems that use surface water sources."
[link to www.nrdc.org]
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Or it just could be the contaminated distilled water.



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Cant be it is reactive with water.

The sample cups were contaminated or there really is all kinds of it in the soil.
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I always find this fascinating. It's like that kid at camp; "Hey, everybody, I found an arrowhead!" "George, that's a rock." And a few minutes later you hear him over by the campfire; "Hey, everybody, look at this arrowhead!" "That's a rock, George." And a few minutes later, he's showing it to some girls down by the creek; "Hey, look at this cool arrowhead I found!" "That's not an arrowhead; that's just a rock!" the girls say.

But he never listens. He never replies. And he never learns.


Then when George has grown up, he got degrees in geology and archeology.

He learnshis arrow head he found as a child was indeed a rock. He also learns the Incas, Aztecs, & Mayans Indians used flint and obsidian to shape tools, knives, and arrowheads. Yes his rock was obsidian, tooled into an arrowhead. He learned His hunch/gut instinct was right.

Now, The reason everyone at his boyhood camp didn't see that it was an arrowhead, was because it was missing the point.....



Always Look closely, so you don't miss the point....

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Very nice AC.. Very nice *applause*
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Scientists analyzing two soil samples their Phoenix spacecraft dug from the surface of Mars announced they have discovered what may be the highly oxidizing chemical called perchlorate, a common component of rocket fuels, explosives and some medicines, they reported Monday.

Or it just could be the contaminated distilled water.





Cant be it is reactive with water.

The sample cups were contaminated or there really is all kinds of it in the soil.
 Quoting: Kanigo2


I don't know Kanigo2, the distilled water, plastic water bottles and or cups, very possible to have been contaminated.
Even distilled water can become tainted, and this is what was used in mixing the Mars soil.

But, since the word explosives was used, it wouldn't be shocking they would use this to tighten homeland global security against the Martian terrorists. Who else landed on Mars, Russia, China? That could also explain the rocket fuel.

perchlorate is both a naturally occurring and man-made chemical. Most of the perchlorate manufactured in the United States is used as the primary ingredient of solid rocket propellant. Wastes from the manufacture and improper disposal of perchlorate-containing chemicals are increasingly being discovered in soil and water.

Does my water contain perchlorate?
There have been confirmed perchlorate releases in at least 25 states throughout the United States. EPA, other federal agencies, states, water suppliers and industry are working to address perchlorate contamination through monitoring for perchlorate in drinking water and source water and developing treatment technologies that can remove perchlorate from drinking water.

How is perchlorate removed from water?
Several types of treatment systems designed to reduce perchlorate concentrations are operating around the United States, reducing perchlorate to below the 4 ppb quantitation level. Biological treatment and ion (anion) exchange systems are among the technologies that are being used, with additional treatment technologies under development.
[link to www.epa.gov]


Perchlorates are the salts derived from perchloric acid (HClO4). They occur both naturally and through manufacturing. They have been used as a medicine for more than 50 years to treat thyroid gland disorders. They are also used as an oxidizer in rocket fuel and explosives and can be found in airbags, fireworks, and Chilean fertilizers. Both potassium perchlorate (KClO4) and ammonium perchlorate (NH4ClO4) are used extensively within the pyrotechnics industry, whereas ammonium perchlorate is a component of solid rocket fuel. Lithium perchlorate, which decomposes exothermically to give oxygen, is used in oxygen "candles" on spacecraft, submarines and in other esoteric situations where a reliable backup or supplementary oxygen supply is needed. Most perchlorate salts are soluble in water.[1]

NASA reports that: "Within the last month [July 2008], two samples have been analyzed by the Wet Chemistry Lab of the spacecraft's Microscopy, Electrochemistry, and Conductivity Analyzer, or MECA, suggesting one of the soil constituents may be perchlorate, a highly oxidizing substance." It is still unknown whether the perchlorate originates from the space ship or if it occurs naturally on Mars.
The source of the perchlorate has not yet been evaluated fully, and may represent possible extra-Martian (Earth-sourced) contamination via the Phoenix lander itself. This is however unlikely since the Phoenix used ultrapure hydrazine for its retro rockets, and the perchlorate was found below the surface and at concentrations higher than would be expected from contamination during Earth launch operations.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Very nice AC.. Very nice *applause*
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Scientists analyzing two soil samples their Phoenix spacecraft dug from the surface of Mars announced they have discovered what may be the highly oxidizing chemical called perchlorate, a common component of rocket fuels, explosives and some medicines, they reported Monday.



Or it just could be the contaminated distilled water.





Cant be it is reactive with water.

The sample cups were contaminated or there really is all kinds of it in the soil.


I don't know Kanigo2, the distilled water, plastic water bottles and or cups, very possible to have been contaminated.
Even distilled water can become tainted, and this is what was used in mixing the Mars soil.

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I believe the water(distilled was safely contained.

We are talking rocket fuel here...

The simplest answer to the origin of that would be....
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the Martian microbes hate us for our freedom
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Scientists analyzing two soil samples their Phoenix spacecraft dug from the surface of Mars announced they have discovered what may be the highly oxidizing chemical called perchlorate, a common component of rocket fuels, explosives and some medicines, they reported Monday.



Or it just could be the contaminated distilled water.





Cant be it is reactive with water.

The sample cups were contaminated or there really is all kinds of it in the soil.


I don't know Kanigo2, the distilled water, plastic water bottles and or cups, very possible to have been contaminated.
Even distilled water can become tainted, and this is what was used in mixing the Mars soil.




I believe the water(distilled was safely contained.

We are talking rocket fuel here...

The simplest answer to the origin of that would be....
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perchlorates have been found in earth's drinking water too. I can't rule out contaminated water, distilled or not. The FDA's regulations are not as tight for distilled water, as for drinking or tap water, remember.

But however it got on Mars, contaminated water, rocket fuel, Chinese fireworks I smell a snow job in the works.





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