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McCain pulls ahead in polls. Independents moving to McCain 52%-37%. 60% of voters view Obama as "Leftie". Its over for the Messiah.

 
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"Most Americans want universal health care."

>>No, they do not. Most americans just want to be left the fuck alone. That is the ONLY 'left' they understand.
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Obama is a leftie, he is changing more to the middle, he knows this is hurting his chances. In other words he's a true hypocrit.
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You wouldnt know a leftie if it hit you in the head.

I EXPECT YOU KNOW WHO IS "leftie"

AND WILL LET US KNOW.

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I can discuss a broad range of issues from a leftie perspective. yes. ie universal health care.

Unfortunately for you Jarha I dont write in blue font nor engage in empty one liners...

If you are capable of sustained debate I am more than willing to educate you to leftie beliefs, hopes and dreams...
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"Most Americans want universal health care."

>>No, they do not. Most americans just want to be left the fuck alone. That is the ONLY 'left' they understand.
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You are wrong. Most Americans want TRUE unadulterated universal health care...

You are the FRINGE who dont.
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Obama is a leftie, he is changing more to the middle, he knows this is hurting his chances. In other words he's a true hypocrit.


You wouldnt know a leftie if it hit you in the head.
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Please enlighten me with your so called knowledge.
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"You are wrong. Most Americans want TRUE unadulterated universal health care..."

>>Incorrect. Most americans can look at the VA and understand that the Gubmint is the last fucking thing they want involved in their healthcare.

Just because you keep repeating your mantra does not make it so, leftie.
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"Most Americans want universal health care."

>>No, they do not. Most americans just want to be left the fuck alone. That is the ONLY 'left' they understand.


You are wrong. Most Americans want TRUE unadulterated universal health care...

You are the FRINGE who dont.
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I don't know a single American that wants the Feds involved in their healthcare. The only advocates I've seen where here on GLP.
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. Most Americans want universal health care. That is a traditional leftie position that most Americans want. Obama nor McCain nor Hillary would give them that. A real leftie would...

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If the MAJORITY of Americans wanted universal health care we would have it.

Americans dont want what Canada and Cuba has if that is universal health care.

Americans want health care that is affordable but not free to the point it bankrupts everone and you have to wait three months to get a tooth pulled.

Ya know?
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"Leftie"?
No real American would spend his energies hurling polarizing insults at other Americans over trivial BS like a Poll, an election promise, or frankly, 99% of the crap mentioned on this thread.

Propaganda pushers serve and promote a Fascist agenda, willingly or unwittingly.

Be an American or get the fuck out.

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. Most Americans want universal health care. That is a traditional leftie position that most Americans want. Obama nor McCain nor Hillary would give them that. A real leftie would...



If the MAJORITY of Americans wanted universal health care we would have it.

Americans dont want what Canada and Cuba has if that is universal health care.

Americans want health care that is affordable but not free to the point it bankrupts everone and you have to wait three months to get a tooth pulled.

Ya know?
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No Pac, most Americans want universal health care but NO politician is promoting it. Why is that?

I know you still dont understand.

Pac, look to history to understand. Traditional lefty positions were purged from the public discourse in the US exactly because they were popular. Get it?

I know deep down you know this to be true...
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extreme leftist is ones who have radical egalitarian views and support radical social and political change. They also believe in revolutionary socialism, communism, or anarchism, marxism.
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Be an American or get the fuck out.
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I dont know who you are addressing, but I would agree that liberality is allowing all kinds of public discourse without censor.

Notice the ones above who slander my position on health care even going as far to associate me with Cuba. I have invited debate but I have so far received ridicule and name calling meant to polarize.

And it is the polarizers who have won. A whole segment of thought that has been excluded purged censored from public awareness, as a result.

That's not what America used to be, but that is America today.

Like it or not.
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Its always a pleasure to come here to GLP and see PAC's latest....

PAC you are a man of fortitude and integrity...I applaude your tenacity amidst this den of thieves and vipers!!!!

Indeed, Obamination's voting record indites him as a Big Brother-Big Government "Orwellian Pusher" with the usual socialist belief system that says that GOVERNMENT is the only solution to what ails mankind.

IT'S THE BIG LIE.

Is McCain much better....a little...

We're screwed as a county either way....but I will grit my teeth and hold my nose and vote for McCain

KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK PAC....you are my GLP Hero.






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Monday, August 04, 2008

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows the race for the White House is tied with Barack Obama and John McCain each attracting 44% of the vote. However, when "leaners" are included, it’s McCain 47% and Obama 46%.

This is the first time McCain has enjoyed even a statistically insignificant advantage of any sort since Obama clinched the Democratic nomination on June 3 (see recent daily results). Tracking Polls are released at 9:30 a.m. Eastern Time each day.

A week ago today, Obama had a three-percentage point lead and the candidates were even among unaffiliated voters. Today, McCain leads 52% to 37% among unaffiliateds.

McCain is currently viewed favorably by 55% of the nation’s voters, Obama by 51%. That is the lowest rating for Obama since he wrapped up the nomination. Obama is viewed favorably by 83% of Democrats, 22% of Republicans, and 47% of unaffiliated voters. For McCain, the numbers are 87% favorable among Republicans, 26% among Democrats, and 61% among unaffiliated voters.

Sixty percent (60%) of voters now see Obama as politically liberal while 65% see McCain as politically conservative. Among liberals, 71% see Obama as one of them, but just 18% of liberals see Obama as Very Liberal. Among conservatives, 71% say McCain is also a conservative, including 38% who say he is Very Conservative. Thirty-five percent (35%) of politically moderate voters say that McCain is politically moderate and 33% say the same of Obama. Fifty-eight percent (58%) of Democrats see McCain as conservative while 69% of Republicans see Obama as liberal (see other recent demographic highlights).

[link to rasmussenreports.com]


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Vietnam Vets against John McCain

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extreme leftist is ones who have radical egalitarian views and support radical social and political change. They also believe in revolutionary socialism, communism, or anarchism, marxism.
 Quoting: ZOSIME


Lefties participate everyday for social and political improvements, as they see it, and mostly at the local level. There are no revolutionary socialists or communists anymore in America. Dont make me laugh.

But there are revolutionary and radicals and fanatics -- on the right, with religion. That is evident everywhere you look. Their foot soldiers are quite confident and in your face about it too. They want to intimidate you are isolate you, there is no time for debate.

On the other hand lefties are egalitarian like you say, they are more humble about their views and try to persuade the ordinary man or woman through discussion and debate, rather than intimidating them...
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. Most Americans want universal health care. That is a traditional leftie position that most Americans want. Obama nor McCain nor Hillary would give them that. A real leftie would...



If the MAJORITY of Americans wanted universal health care we would have it.

Americans dont want what Canada and Cuba has if that is universal health care.

Americans want health care that is affordable but not free to the point it bankrupts everone and you have to wait three months to get a tooth pulled.

Ya know?
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You are so full of shit you slosh when you walk.
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Obama is a leftie, he is changing more to the middle, he knows this is hurting his chances. In other words he's a true hypocrit.


You wouldnt know a leftie if it hit you in the head.

Please enlighten me with your so called knowledge.
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If I identify myself as leftie and you do not, then I do know what it is better than you. It is a label that is meaningless unless there is deep focused discussion.

For example...

I believe in universal health care, not govt big brother controlling your lives.

I believe in accessible timely delivery of top notch health care, not waiting lines and second class service.

I believe in a not for profit system, not a radical anti American agenda.

That's just one subject open for debate.

What say you?
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Obama and his team can't keep the lid on his true political beliefs, every day his stupidity his inexperience are exposed. I am only sorry that with so many brillant black people out there, it was the far left who dug up a candidate a radical candidate at that.

Everyday Americans will learn more about this fake, and they will be opposed to someone with absolutely no experience other than 144 days served in the US senate.
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Since the GOP lunatics are mainly retarded. Here is a picture with colors for you to ponder.

Note: The key at the bottom right of the page shows who is ahead. The higher number would be the winner.

Yea, it's over alright. Just not the conclusion you would prefer Pac and Co.

[link to www.zogby.com]

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Why isn't this pinned ????


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Since the GOP lunatics are mainly retarded. Here is a picture with colors for you to ponder.

Note: The key at the bottom right of the page shows who is ahead. The higher number would be the winner.

Yea, it's over alright. Just not the conclusion you would prefer Pac and Co.

[link to www.zogby.com]

bdance
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Clearly the polls which show Obama in the lead are false. er uh ok.
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I believe in a not for profit system, not a radical anti American agenda.

That's just one subject open for debate.

What say you?
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If america had the kind of health care system they have in the UK, Canada or Cuba, you would not be able to get a heart transplant because no one would have gone to the trouble to invent the proceedure.

The reason we have the best medicine in the world is because people spend 20 years in school and run up a quarter of a million dollars in school loans and then work their asses off for peanuts to be able some day to make it all back plus a lot more. That is the motivation to work 20 hours a day developing new drugs and medical proceedures that save lives. ITS FOR FUCKING PROFIT YOU IDIOT.

The left figures we can just give all the docs a nice $60k a year salary and they will be just happy as clams.

Or the left figures the rich can pay for all the people sitting on their asses waiting for the govt to give them a free tummy tuck.
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Obama is a leftie, he is changing more to the middle, he knows this is hurting his chances. In other words he's a true hypocrit.


You wouldnt know a leftie if it hit you in the head.

Please enlighten me with your so called knowledge.


If I identify myself as leftie and you do not, then I do know what it is better than you. It is a label that is meaningless unless there is deep focused discussion.

For example...

I believe in universal health care, not govt big brother controlling your lives.

I believe in accessible timely delivery of top notch health care, not waiting lines and second class service.

I believe in a not for profit system, not a radical anti American agenda.

That's just one subject open for debate.

What say you?
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I believe that Obama is a Marxost amd of he get elected get readu fpr No nationalism. No borders. No bombs. No wars. We (the citizens of the world) all live happily together under one big Utopian world government. One world, under Obama.
A Marxist/Soclialist who believes in isolationism and a naive approach to our enemies which through appeasement will only embolden them to become stronger and allow countries like Iran to become a nuclear power.
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Its always a pleasure to come here to GLP and see PAC's latest....

PAC you are a man of fortitude and integrity...I applaude your tenacity amidst this den of thieves and vipers!!!!

Indeed, Obamination's voting record indites him as a Big Brother-Big Government "Orwellian Pusher" with the usual socialist belief system that says that GOVERNMENT is the only solution to what ails mankind.

IT'S THE BIG LIE.

Is McCain much better....a little...

We're screwed as a county either way....but I will grit my teeth and hold my nose and vote for McCain

KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK PAC....you are my GLP Hero.






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Uh, I don't think you have noticed, but most people here don't belive in big government. Which is why they don't go for McCain OR Obama. They are just two sides of the same coin.

Anyone that still belives that Republicans are for small government must be brain-dead after the last 8 years.

THE BIG LIE is that you can only choose between what the two parties pre-select for you. Why not stop falling for the lie, and vote for a Libertarian or Constitution party candidate. Why not break free from the Matrix?
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Obama and his team can't keep the lid on his true political beliefs, every day his stupidity his inexperience are exposed. I am only sorry that with so many brillant black people out there, it was the far left who dug up a candidate a radical candidate at that.

Everyday Americans will learn more about this fake, and they will be opposed to someone with absolutely no experience other than 144 days served in the US senate.
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He doesnt advocate lefty positions so how could he be a lefty? What position does he have that are of the left, that most Americans want?

Flake? I dont know that talking point of the Repugs. That describes what the political discourse has been for decades. We expect more of them, and we should expect more from us...

Absolutely no experience? Yes I've heard that talking point....

Flake is meaningless and no experience or lack of exposure to rampant political corruption is a plus.

But these are distractions from what we want as Americans. Talk issues!, dont be a flake like most of the political upper class of our country!
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Why do you bother with this..

Do you think either of them care about you? Your family? Your kids? Your survival?

Anyways, most people here don't agree with you it seems, yet you still continue to post.

I have no interest in either candidate. But you obviously do.

We know you like john, ok, we get it. Are you just that fanatical about politics?

One of those people that think a "God" is punishing people with earthquakes and diseases, and gay people are somehow against what "God" wants?




Just keep getting those payments in on time and you can continue to stay alive living off their biological slop overflowing from the corner of their mouth.

cheers
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Obama is leading in the electoral vote by 302 to 235 last I looked.

You have to ask yourself the CONSPIRACY question here which is why these polls when McCain = BUSH?

Well the answer is not pretty. The neocon machine can steal a close vote so they are working it so it won't look suspicious. They did it before peops.
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Election polls showing Obama as way ahead:

[link to www.electionprojection.com]

[link to www.fivethirtyeight.com]

this one has him less ahead:

[link to www.pollster.com]
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“The war we fight today is more than a military conflict,” Mr Bush said. “It is the decisive ideological struggle of the 21st century.”


You are a slave..., like everyone else you were born into bondage. Into a prison that you cannot taste or see or touch. A prison for your mind."
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Obama is a leftie, he is changing more to the middle, he knows this is hurting his chances. In other words he's a true hypocrit.


You wouldnt know a leftie if it hit you in the head.

Please enlighten me with your so called knowledge.


If I identify myself as leftie and you do not, then I do know what it is better than you. It is a label that is meaningless unless there is deep focused discussion.

For example...

I believe in universal health care, not govt big brother controlling your lives.

I believe in accessible timely delivery of top notch health care, not waiting lines and second class service.

I believe in a not for profit system, not a radical anti American agenda.

That's just one subject open for debate.

What say you?

I believe that Obama is a Marxost amd of he get elected get readu fpr No nationalism. No borders. No bombs. No wars. We (the citizens of the world) all live happily together under one big Utopian world government. One world, under Obama.
A Marxist/Soclialist who believes in isolationism and a naive approach to our enemies which through appeasement will only embolden them to become stronger and allow countries like Iran to become a nuclear power.
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No nationalism? Not likely. The U.S. has a virulent ultra nationalism that professes superiority over other nations and peoples. That is not a benign apple pie nationalism of feeling good to be American and feelimg proud of our achievements. What we have is dangerous for ourselves and the world. I dont see any of two top candidates advocating apple pie nationalism, but I do see them continuing to promote superiority at the world and at us -- Obama a tad less than McCain.

A utopian world? Yeah under the dominance of military might not moral persuasion. Same shit as before. There is no other options offered.

No borders? Well for the corporations, yes. For us we dont have that luxury. In reality we are imprisoned indside our borders: people in power use fear of the outside and impose restrictions on our movements to limit our exposure of the outside. Obama does talk of leaning on the corporations, he does talk of strenghtening friendships abroad, he does talk of renewing a lost respect for America by other peoples. Is he sincere? Perhaps. If so, will he succeed? It's an uphill battle that's for sure.

Isolationism? That is not offered by anyone.

Offensive against enemies? Do you mean an enemy worthy of war, containement, or a unified diplomatic response? Only you can answer which you prefer... But Obama IMO is somewhere between the frist two, though he says the later. However, McCain is clearly just another nut case itching make his mark on history to be a war prez before he leaves this world....

Either way that isnt much of a choice.
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