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McCain pulls ahead in polls. Independents moving to McCain 52%-37%. 60% of voters view Obama as "Leftie". Its over for the Messiah.

 
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Says enough!!!
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Obama’s first mentor was an organizer named Mike Kruglik, who says Obama was “the best student he ever had.”

He was a natural, the undisputed master of agitation, who could engage a room full of recruiting targets in a rapid-fire Socratic dialogue, nudging them to admit that they were not living up to their own standards….he could be aggressive and confrontational. With probing, sometimes personal questions, he would pinpoint the source of pain in their lives, tearing down their egos just enough before dangling a carrot of hope that they could make things better.
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Obama is a leftie, he is changing more to the middle, he knows this is hurting his chances. In other words he's a true hypocrit.
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You wouldnt know a leftie if it hit you in the head.

I EXPECT YOU KNOW WHO IS "leftie"

AND WILL LET US KNOW.

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I can discuss a broad range of issues from a leftie perspective. yes. ie universal health care.

Unfortunately for you Jarha I dont write in blue font nor engage in empty one liners...

If you are capable of sustained debate I am more than willing to educate you to leftie beliefs, hopes and dreams...
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"ie universal health care."

FOR "30 MILLION PLUS" ILLEGALS?

NOW WE KNOW "leftie beliefs, hopes and dreams..."
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Obama’s first mentor was an organizer named Mike Kruglik, who says Obama was “the best student he ever had.”

He was a natural, the undisputed master of agitation, who could engage a room full of recruiting targets in a rapid-fire Socratic dialogue, nudging them to admit that they were not living up to their own standards….he could be aggressive and confrontational. With probing, sometimes personal questions, he would pinpoint the source of pain in their lives, tearing down their egos just enough before dangling a carrot of hope that they could make things better.
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What a crock. What I've read is that they were co-workers. Like, big deal. He wasnt a mentor of Obama. That's a loaded term meant to provoke. Your quote is also BS since co-workers do not have student teacher relationship. It isnt surprising to see lefties at the local level working as community organizers, they are confined to municipal politics since they are banned everywhere else.

Hicks like you who havent the ability to discuss issues. So you resort to slander, lies and innuendo...

That's typical of a person of weak character and low moral fiber...
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Obama is a leftie, he is changing more to the middle, he knows this is hurting his chances. In other words he's a true hypocrit.
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You wouldnt know a leftie if it hit you in the head.

I EXPECT YOU KNOW WHO IS "leftie"

AND WILL LET US KNOW.

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I can discuss a broad range of issues from a leftie perspective. yes. ie universal health care.

Unfortunately for you Jarha I dont write in blue font nor engage in empty one liners...

If you are capable of sustained debate I am more than willing to educate you to leftie beliefs, hopes and dreams...

"ie universal health care."

FOR "30 MILLION PLUS" ILLEGALS?

NOW WE KNOW "leftie beliefs, hopes and dreams..."

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Nice deflection. That's a different issue. Totally unrelated. But I will respond...

The goal is to cover three hundred million Americans by a comprehensive accessible universal health care, without any out of pocket fees to be funded by a govt managed insurance scheme where risk is spread to an abslute minimum, and where the profit motive is marginalized, just like what is offered by all developed nations.

Can you discuss that?

I thought not....

And doesnt your country have universal health care, Jarah?

What do your people think of their system? Do they want to return to a U.S. style system similar to a third world country?
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and unfortunately Obama doesnt offer universal health care, just another compromised position,,,, which is why true leftists are independents because they cannot find their place in the two party system.

On this issue, you fit right in Jarah, as either a Democrat or a Repug.
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And it is the polarizers who have won. A whole segment of thought that has been excluded purged censored from public awareness, as a result.

That's not what America used to be, but that is America today.

Like it or not.
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I concur. I would only add that all is not lost. America and it's citizens, our notions of freedom, liberty and the common good, can be salvaged from the slow death that partizans have inflicted upon us.

It is not inevitable that our great Republic be extinguished or enslaved simply because a few vocal and powerful fascists have discovered that trivial issues like health care policy, social services, "family" courts or meaningless partisan squabbling have been found to so easily distract and devide the people from our god given right to something better.

Let me clarify, Partizans; E plurbus unum, be an American first and foremost, or get the fuck out.
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Be an American or get the fuck out.


I dont know who you are addressing, but I would agree that liberality is allowing all kinds of public discourse without censor.

Notice the ones above who slander my position on health care even going as far to associate me with Cuba. I have invited debate but I have so far received ridicule and name calling meant to polarize.

And it is the polarizers who have won. A whole segment of thought that has been excluded purged censored from public awareness, as a result.

That's not what America used to be, but that is America today.

Like it or not.
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People must be thinking with their lizard brain to trash the democrats who offer the only chance for realistic change. Most of us are middle class and we need health care and education and a stable financial system. The repugs have only screwed things up with their tax cuts for the rich.

It makes no sense that normal people would support McCain when he will continue the Bush regimes policies. He is not a maverick and his campaign is full of Bush people. So why are people so damn blind??????
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It makes no sense that normal people would support McCain when he will continue the Bush regimes policies. He is not a maverick and his campaign is full of Bush people. So why are people so damn blind??????
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They are not all blind... but many have been taught to see only the window dressing.





"There's a reason education sucks and will never, ever, ever be fixed. Never get any better. Don't look for it. Be happy with what you've got. Because the owners of this country don't want that-the real owners, the big, wealthy business interests that make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice. You have OWNERS. They own you. They own everything. They own the land. They own all the corporations. They've long since bought and paid for the Congress, the Senate. They have all the judges in their back pockets. They own all the big media companies. So they control all the news and information you hear. They've got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying to get what they want. We know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else. I'll tell you what they don't want. They don't want a population of well-informed citizens capable of critical thinking. That doesn't help them. That's against their interests. They don't want people who are smart sitting around the kitchen table talking about a system that threw them overboard 30 f***ing years ago. What do they want? They want obedient workers. People who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paper work and just dumb enough to accept jobs with lower pay, longer hours, reduced benefits, and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you collect it. Now they're coming for your Social Security money. They want your f***ing retirement money. The want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street. And you know that they'll get it. Cause they own this f***in' place. It's a big club. It's the same big club they beat you over the head all day when they tell you what to believe, what to think, and what to buy. The table is tilted, folks. The game is rigged. Nobody seems to notice. Nobody seems to care. Good, honest, hard-working people continue to elect these rich c*ck s**kers who don't give a f*ck about you at all. At all. At all. At all."

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taken from the same report that was linked by the OP

The Rasmussen Reports Balance of Power Calculator currently shows now Obama leading in states with 210 Electoral College votes while McCain leads in states with 165 votes. When leaners are included, it’s Obama 273, McCain 227. Rasmussen Markets data gives Obama a 59.7 % chance of winning the White House.
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It's over?

Leave it to people like you to declare victory (mission accomplished), way to far in advance. Woo-Hooo! McCain leads in a poll. Obviously, zogby needs to re-do their electoral map which shows Obama already having more than the magic # of 270.

Take this small victory, and beat off to your Karl Rove screensaver. Enjoy it while you can. My bet is there will be FAR more polls showing Obama ahead, than behind in the coming days/weeks.

The media WANTS this to be a "close" race.



Yep...its over. Only the Media and the lefties will vote for Obama. Independents control who will win and they NEVER go far right or far left. Independents are moderates and they are sending a HUGE message......

"Obama is just another liberal candidate like Mondale, McGovern and Dukakis."

In July of 1988 Dukakis had a 17 point lead over Bush and lost. Bush was running a much better campaign than McCain is today. For Obama to be this far back when he has 99% of the media blowing his horn means only one thing. He is going to lose in one of the biggest landslide losses ever.

I have been saying for two years now that the Dems have been taken over by the far left wing woo woos of their party. Until they can come together and present a moderate candidate they will forever lose the presidential elections.



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McCain may be further right than Obama is left... if you can't see that the dude is a crazy fascist fuck, you're just as crazy as he is...

Oh, and just so you know... I won't vote for either of those bastards, because as we all know they're both members of the CFR and therefore working towards the same agenda...again, pac, if you can't see that, you're just as crazy as either of them...
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Be an American or get the fuck out.


I dont know who you are addressing, but I would agree that liberality is allowing all kinds of public discourse without censor.

Notice the ones above who slander my position on health care even going as far to associate me with Cuba. I have invited debate but I have so far received ridicule and name calling meant to polarize.

And it is the polarizers who have won. A whole segment of thought that has been excluded purged censored from public awareness, as a result.

That's not what America used to be, but that is America today.

Like it or not.


People must be thinking with their lizard brain to trash the democrats who offer the only chance for realistic change. Most of us are middle class and we need health care and education and a stable financial system. The repugs have only screwed things up with their tax cuts for the rich.

It makes no sense that normal people would support McCain when he will continue the Bush regimes policies. He is not a maverick and his campaign is full of Bush people. So why are people so damn blind??????
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People within the Dmocratic party need to trash their own. That discourse died and then the best left...

I would like to think that involvement in the dem party would make a difference, but I have been disappointed too many times till there is no issue left that exists that hasnt been sabotaged, compromised so what is served us is very unappealing and nothing compared to what was foought for. The wolves are in control and corruption and selfish opportunism prevail, and good people are marginalized. The system is rigged. And people are divided and lazy, whatever, and isolated and cannot seem to find common cause to impose their will from below...

I used to think it was necessary to compromise to get elected. I no longer think that way, in fact it is quite the opposite: the only way to get elected is to not compromise one iota on prinicpals. Middle class is a term that isnt very significant. We are workers. We are not the rich, we are not the aristocracy, or the boyrgeaoisie. We have our own interests and if we again figure that out, we will be able to escape this contrived middle class nightmare...

the Dem machine is just as much the enemy as the Repugs. Will Obama save the day? Will he and the people he promotes in govt around the country, represent OUR will against all odds? That is the only question we should be asking.
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I believe in a not for profit system, not a radical anti American agenda.

That's just one subject open for debate.

What say you?



If america had the kind of health care system they have in the UK, Canada or Cuba, you would not be able to get a heart transplant because no one would have gone to the trouble to invent the proceedure.

The reason we have the best medicine in the world is because people spend 20 years in school and run up a quarter of a million dollars in school loans and then work their asses off for peanuts to be able some day to make it all back plus a lot more. That is the motivation to work 20 hours a day developing new drugs and medical proceedures that save lives. ITS FOR FUCKING PROFIT YOU IDIOT.

The left figures we can just give all the docs a nice $60k a year salary and they will be just happy as clams.

Or the left figures the rich can pay for all the people sitting on their asses waiting for the govt to give them a free tummy tuck.
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I dont mean doctors shouldnt be paid based on the number of patients, I mean a profit system managed by corporations. Where corporate insurance excludes those most in need. It could be argued that doctors and certainly health personel are as much the victims of this system as we are. They are housed in corporate hospitals, they perscribe corporate drugs, they diagnose corporate made up diseases, they must attend to the rich first, the middles classes second and the poor last. They are overworked and understaffed...

And yes they are in debt up to their ears. They are not motivated by profit but how to live up to thier oath of serving patients. They see a high income and they see their oath to their patients, and most times they must choose between them. Management pressure to maximize corporate profits does not make them rich, so their motivation is not profit but to avoid the hassles and intimidation of corporations that dominate, completely dominate the health industry.

Technological innovation driven by profit is not the only answer and is heading for disaster. Innovation is better achieved by promoting altruistic professionals with less worries and more flexibility to practice and innovate their craft.

Pac why oh why do you defend the opposite system? A system that isnt achieving the goal of promoting a healthy society, one that can afford the service?
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taken from the same report that was linked by the OP

The Rasmussen Reports Balance of Power Calculator currently shows now Obama leading in states with 210 Electoral College votes while McCain leads in states with 165 votes. When leaners are included, it’s Obama 273, McCain 227. Rasmussen Markets data gives Obama a 59.7 % chance of winning the White House.
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YOU MEAN BOUGHT THE WHITE HOUSE DON'T YOU?
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You cannot vote for such an old man, think about it !!

He's too old !!
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Never underestimate the power of the profit motive. Take PAC - I don't know what they pay him to post this crap, but it must be quite a bit since he keeps doing it and the main result is for anonymous cowards to refute the rights' best arguements.

Doctors and innovators should be well rewarded for their efforts. Insurance companies should not be able to deny treatment of life-threatening disease because it will hurt their bottom line. But they do, and that's what has to change.
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oh PAC, you truly are a dumbass
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KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK PAC....you are my GLP Hero.

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hi

Ditto
I do hope he holds. Its a long way to go and hopefully more people will wake up and see who Obama truly is.
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thanks pac..media polls have been wrong since mid 70s..Obama will not wim INDEPENDANTS ARE RACING TO MC CAIN ..OBAMAS LEAD IS PHONY .........PALIN IS DOING A GREAT , "IN YOUR FACE" OBAMA .. AND I LIKE PALIN..SHE GOT SPUNK....MC CAIN IS SO MUCH MORE PRESIDENT MATERIAL..PALIN COULD WITH ADVISORS RUN AMERICA IF NEED BE.... ...................PAC I LOVE THAT CAT..
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KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK PAC....you are my GLP Hero.

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Ditto
I do hope he holds. Its a long way to go and hopefully more people will wake up and see who Obama truly is.

thanks pac..media polls have been wrong since mid 70s..Obama will not wim INDEPENDANTS ARE RACING TO MC CAIN ..OBAMAS LEAD IS PHONY .........PALIN IS DOING A GREAT , "IN YOUR FACE" OBAMA .. AND I LIKE PALIN..SHE GOT SPUNK....MC CAIN IS SO MUCH MORE PRESIDENT MATERIAL..PALIN COULD WITH ADVISORS RUN AMERICA IF NEED BE.... ...................PAC I LOVE THAT CAT..
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this thread is from August bro
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KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK PAC....you are my GLP Hero.

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hi

Ditto
I do hope he holds. Its a long way to go and hopefully more people will wake up and see who Obama truly is.

thanks pac..media polls have been wrong since mid 70s..Obama will not wim INDEPENDANTS ARE RACING TO MC CAIN ..OBAMAS LEAD IS PHONY .........PALIN IS DOING A GREAT , "IN YOUR FACE" OBAMA .. AND I LIKE PALIN..SHE GOT SPUNK....MC CAIN IS SO MUCH MORE PRESIDENT MATERIAL..PALIN COULD WITH ADVISORS RUN AMERICA IF NEED BE.... ...................PAC I LOVE THAT CAT..
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WOW...Some people need to learn how to read dates. I knew republicans were dumb, but WOW.

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DEFINATELY
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To call someone a terrorist.... and then to call for a Presidential contender's death at a rally...

An American has to look at that and say, "What the hell?"

We have to vote NO on that dissonance. Something is not right.
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You republicans or really the anit-Obama crowd are really retarded. Did any of you including pac actually read the link from rasmussen reports. I'll paste and hightlight the key points for those who were too lazy to read the whole thing. or just picked the parts they thought were favorable.

Daily Presidential Tracking Poll
Friday, October 10, 2008



The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows Barack Obama attracting 50% of the vote while John McCain earns 45%. Those figures are unchanged from yesterday and mark the fifteenth straight day that Obama’s support has ranged from 50% to 52% while McCain has been at 44% of 45% (see trends).

Obama is viewed favorably by 55%, McCain by 54% (see trends). Thirty-eight percent (38%) have a Very Favorable opinion of Obama while 30% have a Very Unfavorable view. For McCain, the numbers are 26% Very Favorable and 26% Very Unfavorable.


As economic issues dominate, 66% now believe the U.S. economy is in a recession, up eight points from a month ago. Just 8% rate the economy as good or excellent while 66% say it’s in poor shape. Six percent (6%) say economic conditions are getting better while 78% say they are getting worse. The Rasmussen Consumer Index shows both consumer and investor confidence has fallen to new all-time lows.

Among voters who consider economic issues to be the most important voting issue, Obama leads 65% to 31%. Among all other voters, McCain leads 60% to 36% (see other recent demographic highlights). It is hard to overstate the impact of the recent economic crisis on Election 2008. Prior to the collapse of Lehman Brothers and the recent Wall Street meltdown, McCain held a very modest lead over Obama nationwide.

Only 9% of voters now believe the United States is heading in the right direction while 88% say the nation has gotten off on the wrong track.


Currently, Obama has the edge in every state won by John Kerry four years ago. However, of the states won by George Bush, McCain is trailing in four and five others are considered a toss-up. As a result, Electoral College projections now show Obama leading 248-163. When “leaners” are included, Obama leads 300-174. A total of 270 Electoral Votes are needed to win the White House.

Recent statewide Presidential polls have been released for Arizona, California, Colorado, Florida, Hawaii, Kentucky, Kansas, Maine, Maryland, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Texas, Virginia, Washington, and Wisconsin Demographic crosstabs for all state polling are available for Premium Members. Learn More.

Rasmussen Markets data shows Obama is given a 78.4 % chance of winning in November (see market expectations for key states).

[link to www.rasmussenreports.com]
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Everyone shoud click on the OP of this thread and see what he has posted. He is totally insane, representing completly absurd views and skewed opinions as if they are real. Furthermore, he is a paid propenent of TPTB, and he is the defender of the totally absurd, really crazy defending of the right and it has reached ridiculous proportions.
But don't take my word for it, just click on his name, this reveals everything.
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You mean McSame finally pulled the poll out from his ass?
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Reece2076,

This post is from August 4th... not October.

Someone bumped it up to show how foolish PAC looked for declaring victory so soon.

No one should declare victory... not even now. We'll know when November rolls around and we have voted... so many eyes will be upon what happens.
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There is a huge percentage of independents that are LEFT of the Democrats.


A huge percentage? What 2%? LOL

Independents are predominately moderate.


I knew that would get a response from you. The fact is Pac you dont know what the left means or what it is to be leftie. They have abandoned the Dems and the two party system ages ago and are among those calling themselves independent -- some vote in the federal election, most probably dont vote at all.

Both the Dems and the Repugs have abandoned people's real concerns and desires to a self defined wishy washy center that means nothing to nobody.

That no-brainer center describes you Pac, who prefers to play politics by the numbers, like a horse race. Whose politics is useless partisan name calling between two indistinguishable perties. Independents have become independents because they are sickened by unprincipaled boobs like you.

Again there is a huge number to the LEFT of the Dems who are independents. Maybe that 60% number above that doesnt view Obama as a leftie represents them because, unlike you, they know what it is to be lefite because they are themselves LEFT of Obama and know he is not one of them....

That's a huge number who will either vote more left third party, vote for Obama hoping for a miracle that war will end or health care will be universalized, or they will stick to local politics and wont vote federally becaue they think its useless,,,

You havent a clue of independents, PAC, so stick to things you know...
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Obama is a leftie, he is changing more to the middle, he knows this is hurting his chances. In other words he's a true hypocrit.


You wouldnt know a leftie if it hit you in the head.

Please enlighten me with your so called knowledge.


If I identify myself as leftie and you do not, then I do know what it is better than you. It is a label that is meaningless unless there is deep focused discussion.

For example...

I believe in universal health care, not govt big brother controlling your lives.

I believe in accessible timely delivery of top notch health care, not waiting lines and second class service.

I believe in a not for profit system, not a radical anti American agenda.

That's just one subject open for debate.

What say you?
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Surely Zosime can atriculate an alternative to yours. Cant you Zosi? If not, then I guess all he can do is misrepresent yours. In other words he doesnt have any idea how to fix the status quo, which is as broke as the banks...
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