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“Government is like fire, a handy servant but a dangerous master.”

What poor Mr. Moses, and people like him, don't understand is that they are not party to the Constitution. When we all awaken, and learn the truth (and learn about the incorporation of the united states of America), maybe we'll react better. Since we all are clueless now, Mr. Moses will suffer for our ignorance.

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Fischer: Outrage in Idaho: Feds send man to prison for protecting town from flooding

Posted on August 4, 2008 by Steve Farrell
By Bryan Fischer

Lynn Moses will be locked up in federal prison next Wednesday. His crime? Protecting the city of Driggs, Idaho from flooding.

When Mr. Moses began to develop a subdivision along Teton Creek in 1980, Teton County required him to implement an engineer’s plan to modify the Teton Creek stream bed to prevent the flooding of subdivision property, caused by the buildup of gravel bars and downed trees, during high water flows in the spring.

In fact, the county would not allow him even to record the plat for the subdivision until the modification work had been done, and only allowed the development after requiring the homeowner’s association to maintain the flood control channel year after year.

Teton Creek used to be a flowing stream, but irrigation diversion over 100 years ago dewatered the Creek and left the stream bed dry for all but two months a year at the most. Water only fills the stream bed when irrigators have more water than they can use. (Note: this means there is no “aquatic environment” here, nor any “wetland.”)

Officials from the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers were invited to a planning meeting with the county and Mr. Moses in 1980, but they soon left the meeting after informing county officials that they had “classified the stream as intermittent and therefore outside their jurisdiction.”

So working on plans developed by an engineer and approved – in fact, required – by the county, Mr. Moses got to work and cleared the channel of gravel bars and downed cottonwood trees to ensure that the channel would serve as a flood control structure.

For years he has walked the entire length of the creek to evaluate conditions and then remove gravel bars, sand, logs and debris as necessary to keep the channel clear and satisfy the subdivision’s obligation to the county.

When Driggs flooded in the spring of 1981 – due to a clogged culvert under a county road – the county approached the Corps a second time, asking for funding and help to replace the culvert with a bridge to prevent future flooding. Once again, the Corps said, Nope, not our problem, not our fault, not our responsibility to fix, we don’t have jurisdiction.

Why? Because, they repeated again, Teton Creek is an intermittent stream and we have no jurisdiction unless there is water in the stream bed at least three months out of the year. Thus twice the federal government pointedly and definitively washed its hands of the whole thing.

Since 1982, all Mr. Moses has done is to provide the necessary maintenance to ensure that the stream bed does not get clogged with gravel, sediment, fallen trees, and other debris so that the stream bed can continue to siphon flood water away from homes and the city of Driggs.

He did his work when the stream bed was dry, of course, and never put anything into the stream bed, only took “pollutants” (sedimentation, sand, gravel, etc.) out.

Tellingly, in 1984, when the Forest Service needed to build a road, they came to this same stretch of Teton Creek and – without any kind of permit – contracted with Mr. Moses to excavate between 5,000 and 6,000 cubic yards of gravel from the bed, all of which was inspected by government officials.

Every four or five years, when new staff would replace the old, and a generation would arise “who knew not Joseph,” Mr. Moses would receive a letter from the Corps of Engineers, insisting that he needed to get a permit from them for his maintenance work. He’d write them back, informing him that, according to the Corps itself, they had no jurisdiction over intermittent streams. That would be that.

He’d hear nothing for another four to five years, after which another staff rotation led to another letter from the Corps and to a similar reply from Mr. Moses. And so it went for over 20 years.

An aggressive Corps staffer tried to convince the U.S. Attorney to prosecute Mr. Moses in 1995, and the U.S. Attorney told him to take a hike since the Corps had no jurisdictional authority to initiate legal action.

According to former state legislator Lee Gagner, the Corps “discussed his process many times with him, but could not show where they had jurisdiction on the seasonal, intermittent stream.” Gagner adds, “[T]o this day they do not have written rules indicating this to be true.”

As far as Gagner knows, the Corps never completed what is called a “Jurisdictional Determination” that their own rules even gave them any authority over this particular intermittent stream. (Jurisdiction is determined on a case-by-case basis with intermittent streams.)

At this point, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), emboldened by newly granted bureaucratic authority, jumped in and went right after Mr. Moses, indicting and prosecuting him for violating the Clean Water Act in the years 2002, 2003 and 2004 for doing nothing more than the routine maintenance on the channel he had been doing for 20 years, under requirements imposed by local government.

Presiding federal judge Lynn Winmill, who has a well-deserved reputation for judicial activism, refused to allow Teton County commissioners to testify to the original agreement, nor would he allow the aggressive Corps staffer to testify about the refusal of the U.S. Attorney to prosecute in the mid-90s.

Before the jury was dismissed to enter into deliberations at the conclusion of his trial, Judge Lynn Winmill instructed the jury, believe it or not, to disregard every bit of information from 1980 to 2002, including the Corps’ denial of jurisdiction and the mandate from local government for Mr. Moses to maintain the flood channel.

Instructed by this notoriously activist judge to ignore facts, reason and legal history, the jury returned with a guilty verdict, finding Mr. Moses guilty of “discharging” “pollutants” into one of the “waters of the United States.”

His conviction ignores the fact that no evidence was ever presented in court that Mr. Moses “discharged” anything into the stream bed at all. He only removed sand and gravel bars that were already there and which he was contractually obligated to remove. He was extracting material from the channel, not discharging material into it.

No evidence was presented in court by the EPA that there was any water at all in the stream bed during those years for Mr. Moses to “discharge” anything into. The EPA claims that “fallback” – material from the bank falling back into the stream bed – represents a “discharge,” but it offers no objective criteria for deciding how much “fallback” it takes to cross the magic threshold, meaning the EPA used sheer speculation to assert a violation.

Worse, Mr. Moses has been convicted of “pollut(ing) a spawning area for Yellowstone cutthroat trout,” despite the fact that there have been no fish in this stream bed for more than 150 years. Mr. Gagner, who has lived near the flood channel for 18 years, says he has never seen fish in this stream bed. And it’s not even possible for the stream bed to serve as a spawning ground since it only has water two months out of every year in the first place.

Although the director of the EPA in Idaho, Jim Wernitz, asserts that Mr. Moses had damaged “wetlands” associated with the stream, there are no wetlands there! The very word requires that land be, well, wet, but the stream bed is bone dry for at least 10 months out of every year. Wernitz is apparently ignorant of the fact that the Government had previously stipulated that there are no wetlands surrounding the storm channel, nor any “aquatic environment” that could be damaged.

In the plurality opinion of the U.S. Supreme Court in the 2006 Rapanos case, Justice Scalia wrote that the Clean Water Act in fact gives the federal government jurisdiction only over “relatively permanent, standing or continuously flowing bodies of water,” and explicitly added, “[T]he ‘waters of the United States’ does not include channels through which water flows intermittently or ephemerally, or channels that periodically provide drainage for rainfall.”

Embarrassingly for Judge Winmill, this ruling was handed down on the very day Mr. Moses was originally sentenced to prison. Eight months later, the Corps of Engineers revised its own rules in a way that makes it abundantly clear that the federal government has no jurisdiction over an intermittent stream like Teton Creek.

No matter. With other notoriously activist federal judges in the 9th Circuit, animated by environmental sympathies and a sympathy for the repressive power of big government, refusing to overturn lower court convictions on appeal, Mr. Moses has been forced to spend almost $400,000 of his own money in a losing effort to defend himself for protecting the city of Driggs from catastrophic flooding.

Mr. Moses’ wife died unexpectedly of a heart attack 1 ½ years ago. Friends tell me the stress of their 25-year battle with the federal government and the stress of the guilty verdict contributed to her early death. Mr. Moses, when I spoke with him this morning, agrees that this is a likely possibility.

The death of his wife has left Mr. Moses to raise his 17-year-old daughter by himself, a daughter who will now have to fend for herself now that her sole surviving parent will be tossed behind bars – in another state no less – for the next 18 months.

His daughter, just now entering her senior year in high school, will be deprived of his comfort and counsel right when she needs it the most. Mr. Moses will miss his daughter’s companionship, and miss the joy of her 18th birthday party, her senior prom and her graduation ceremony.

Virtually everything is wrong with this story. It’s an egregious violation of the constitutional limitations on federal power, as federal bureaucrats simply dismissed the fact that Mr. Moses was required by local authorities to do exactly what he was doing.

Bureaucratic government agencies, aided and abetted by activist judges, acted as petty tyrants and incarcerated a man not for doing evil but for doing good. A fine man has been chewed up by the grinding maw of a mindless and inhumane federal government, and will spend the next year and a half of his life behind bars, not for endangering the families in his community, but for protecting them.

His attorney calls the whole thing “a travesty,” which is just about the mildest thing that can be said about this unconscionable miscarriage of justice.

As Elaine Jones said in a letter published by the Idaho Press-Tribune, “A good, honorable widower is leaving his daughter to others to raise, and is going to prison for following the rules, obeying the law and helping his friends stay safe from flooding.”

As George Washington said, “Government is like fire, a handy servant but a dangerous master.” Lynn Moses will tell you that the government’s fire can not just singe you but burn you to a crisp.

PLEASE READ BRYAN’S BREAKING UPDATE: Idaho Man Goes to Federal Prison Today at 2 P.M.

SEE ALSO SRJ RECOMMENDED READ: Wayne Hage’s War, by SRJ senior editor, Diane Alden

Stiff Right Jab contributing editor, Bryan Fischer, is the Executive Director of the Idaho Values Alliance, which is dedicated to making Idaho the friendliest place in the world to raise family. Website address: www.idahovaluesalliance.com.

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“Government is like fire, a handy servant but a dangerous master.”

What poor Mr. Moses, and people like him, don't understand is that they are not party to the Constitution. When we all awaken, and learn the truth (and learn about the incorporation of the united states of America), maybe we'll react better. Since we all are clueless now, Mr. Moses will suffer for our ignorance.

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Fischer: Outrage in Idaho: Feds send man to prison for protecting town from flooding

Posted on August 4, 2008 by Steve Farrell
By Bryan Fischer

Lynn Moses will be locked up in federal prison next Wednesday. His crime? Protecting the city of Driggs, Idaho from flooding.

When Mr. Moses began to develop a subdivision along Teton Creek in 1980, Teton County required him to implement an engineer’s plan to modify the Teton Creek stream bed to prevent the flooding of subdivision property, caused by the buildup of gravel bars and downed trees, during high water flows in the spring.

In fact, the county would not allow him even to record the plat for the subdivision until the modification work had been done, and only allowed the development after requiring the homeowner’s association to maintain the flood control channel year after year.

Teton Creek used to be a flowing stream, but irrigation diversion over 100 years ago dewatered the Creek and left the stream bed dry for all but two months a year at the most. Water only fills the stream bed when irrigators have more water than they can use. (Note: this means there is no “aquatic environment” here, nor any “wetland.”)

Officials from the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers were invited to a planning meeting with the county and Mr. Moses in 1980, but they soon left the meeting after informing county officials that they had “classified the stream as intermittent and therefore outside their jurisdiction.”

So working on plans developed by an engineer and approved – in fact, required – by the county, Mr. Moses got to work and cleared the channel of gravel bars and downed cottonwood trees to ensure that the channel would serve as a flood control structure.

For years he has walked the entire length of the creek to evaluate conditions and then remove gravel bars, sand, logs and debris as necessary to keep the channel clear and satisfy the subdivision’s obligation to the county.

When Driggs flooded in the spring of 1981 – due to a clogged culvert under a county road – the county approached the Corps a second time, asking for funding and help to replace the culvert with a bridge to prevent future flooding. Once again, the Corps said, Nope, not our problem, not our fault, not our responsibility to fix, we don’t have jurisdiction.

Why? Because, they repeated again, Teton Creek is an intermittent stream and we have no jurisdiction unless there is water in the stream bed at least three months out of the year. Thus twice the federal government pointedly and definitively washed its hands of the whole thing.

Since 1982, all Mr. Moses has done is to provide the necessary maintenance to ensure that the stream bed does not get clogged with gravel, sediment, fallen trees, and other debris so that the stream bed can continue to siphon flood water away from homes and the city of Driggs.

He did his work when the stream bed was dry, of course, and never put anything into the stream bed, only took “pollutants” (sedimentation, sand, gravel, etc.) out.

Tellingly, in 1984, when the Forest Service needed to build a road, they came to this same stretch of Teton Creek and – without any kind of permit – contracted with Mr. Moses to excavate between 5,000 and 6,000 cubic yards of gravel from the bed, all of which was inspected by government officials.

Every four or five years, when new staff would replace the old, and a generation would arise “who knew not Joseph,” Mr. Moses would receive a letter from the Corps of Engineers, insisting that he needed to get a permit from them for his maintenance work. He’d write them back, informing him that, according to the Corps itself, they had no jurisdiction over intermittent streams. That would be that.

He’d hear nothing for another four to five years, after which another staff rotation led to another letter from the Corps and to a similar reply from Mr. Moses. And so it went for over 20 years.

An aggressive Corps staffer tried to convince the U.S. Attorney to prosecute Mr. Moses in 1995, and the U.S. Attorney told him to take a hike since the Corps had no jurisdictional authority to initiate legal action.

According to former state legislator Lee Gagner, the Corps “discussed his process many times with him, but could not show where they had jurisdiction on the seasonal, intermittent stream.” Gagner adds, “[T]o this day they do not have written rules indicating this to be true.”

As far as Gagner knows, the Corps never completed what is called a “Jurisdictional Determination” that their own rules even gave them any authority over this particular intermittent stream. (Jurisdiction is determined on a case-by-case basis with intermittent streams.)

At this point, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), emboldened by newly granted bureaucratic authority, jumped in and went right after Mr. Moses, indicting and prosecuting him for violating the Clean Water Act in the years 2002, 2003 and 2004 for doing nothing more than the routine maintenance on the channel he had been doing for 20 years, under requirements imposed by local government.

Presiding federal judge Lynn Winmill, who has a well-deserved reputation for judicial activism, refused to allow Teton County commissioners to testify to the original agreement, nor would he allow the aggressive Corps staffer to testify about the refusal of the U.S. Attorney to prosecute in the mid-90s.

Before the jury was dismissed to enter into deliberations at the conclusion of his trial, Judge Lynn Winmill instructed the jury, believe it or not, to disregard every bit of information from 1980 to 2002, including the Corps’ denial of jurisdiction and the mandate from local government for Mr. Moses to maintain the flood channel.

Instructed by this notoriously activist judge to ignore facts, reason and legal history, the jury returned with a guilty verdict, finding Mr. Moses guilty of “discharging” “pollutants” into one of the “waters of the United States.”

His conviction ignores the fact that no evidence was ever presented in court that Mr. Moses “discharged” anything into the stream bed at all. He only removed sand and gravel bars that were already there and which he was contractually obligated to remove. He was extracting material from the channel, not discharging material into it.

No evidence was presented in court by the EPA that there was any water at all in the stream bed during those years for Mr. Moses to “discharge” anything into. The EPA claims that “fallback” – material from the bank falling back into the stream bed – represents a “discharge,” but it offers no objective criteria for deciding how much “fallback” it takes to cross the magic threshold, meaning the EPA used sheer speculation to assert a violation.

Worse, Mr. Moses has been convicted of “pollut(ing) a spawning area for Yellowstone cutthroat trout,” despite the fact that there have been no fish in this stream bed for more than 150 years. Mr. Gagner, who has lived near the flood channel for 18 years, says he has never seen fish in this stream bed. And it’s not even possible for the stream bed to serve as a spawning ground since it only has water two months out of every year in the first place.

Although the director of the EPA in Idaho, Jim Wernitz, asserts that Mr. Moses had damaged “wetlands” associated with the stream, there are no wetlands there! The very word requires that land be, well, wet, but the stream bed is bone dry for at least 10 months out of every year. Wernitz is apparently ignorant of the fact that the Government had previously stipulated that there are no wetlands surrounding the storm channel, nor any “aquatic environment” that could be damaged.

In the plurality opinion of the U.S. Supreme Court in the 2006 Rapanos case, Justice Scalia wrote that the Clean Water Act in fact gives the federal government jurisdiction only over “relatively permanent, standing or continuously flowing bodies of water,” and explicitly added, “[T]he ‘waters of the United States’ does not include channels through which water flows intermittently or ephemerally, or channels that periodically provide drainage for rainfall.”

Embarrassingly for Judge Winmill, this ruling was handed down on the very day Mr. Moses was originally sentenced to prison. Eight months later, the Corps of Engineers revised its own rules in a way that makes it abundantly clear that the federal government has no jurisdiction over an intermittent stream like Teton Creek.

No matter. With other notoriously activist federal judges in the 9th Circuit, animated by environmental sympathies and a sympathy for the repressive power of big government, refusing to overturn lower court convictions on appeal, Mr. Moses has been forced to spend almost $400,000 of his own money in a losing effort to defend himself for protecting the city of Driggs from catastrophic flooding.

Mr. Moses’ wife died unexpectedly of a heart attack 1 ½ years ago. Friends tell me the stress of their 25-year battle with the federal government and the stress of the guilty verdict contributed to her early death. Mr. Moses, when I spoke with him this morning, agrees that this is a likely possibility.

The death of his wife has left Mr. Moses to raise his 17-year-old daughter by himself, a daughter who will now have to fend for herself now that her sole surviving parent will be tossed behind bars – in another state no less – for the next 18 months.

His daughter, just now entering her senior year in high school, will be deprived of his comfort and counsel right when she needs it the most. Mr. Moses will miss his daughter’s companionship, and miss the joy of her 18th birthday party, her senior prom and her graduation ceremony.

Virtually everything is wrong with this story. It’s an egregious violation of the constitutional limitations on federal power, as federal bureaucrats simply dismissed the fact that Mr. Moses was required by local authorities to do exactly what he was doing.

Bureaucratic government agencies, aided and abetted by activist judges, acted as petty tyrants and incarcerated a man not for doing evil but for doing good. A fine man has been chewed up by the grinding maw of a mindless and inhumane federal government, and will spend the next year and a half of his life behind bars, not for endangering the families in his community, but for protecting them.

His attorney calls the whole thing “a travesty,” which is just about the mildest thing that can be said about this unconscionable miscarriage of justice.

As Elaine Jones said in a letter published by the Idaho Press-Tribune, “A good, honorable widower is leaving his daughter to others to raise, and is going to prison for following the rules, obeying the law and helping his friends stay safe from flooding.”

As George Washington said, “Government is like fire, a handy servant but a dangerous master.” Lynn Moses will tell you that the government’s fire can not just singe you but burn you to a crisp.

PLEASE READ BRYAN’S BREAKING UPDATE: Idaho Man Goes to Federal Prison Today at 2 P.M.

SEE ALSO SRJ RECOMMENDED READ: Wayne Hage’s War, by SRJ senior editor, Diane Alden

Stiff Right Jab contributing editor, Bryan Fischer, is the Executive Director of the Idaho Values Alliance, which is dedicated to making Idaho the friendliest place in the world to raise family. Website address: www.idahovaluesalliance.com.

Contact Info for Bryan Fischer:
His email: [email protected].
Phone: 208-841-2546
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Great post Red

I say impeach this Judge Lynn Winmill
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Wow! This is very sad indeed! I'm thinking that our congressmen need to see a copy of this! I would hope that this man's attourney will be appealing this decision by this out of control judge! This is sooo wrong!
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I cold just spit!
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The state and it's people need to prevent the enemy, the federal gov't, from dioing this. It's the federal corporation after the people.
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Wow! This is very sad indeed! I'm thinking that our congressmen need to see a copy of this! I would hope that this man's attourney will be appealing this decision by this out of control judge! This is sooo wrong!
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That was my first thought, so I think I'll be sending my reps. a copy of the story.
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Sounds like his attorney needs to get with the governor, and then with the fine president of the usa and receive a pardon from these charges. If only the $400,000.00 would have went to a campaign contribution instead of trusting the legal system and fighting for what he felt was right. Wow, doesn't surprise me, but damn.
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Write your reps.!

Here's a very simple statement to send them.

I want to bring to your attention a travesty of justice, contacting your office was my only recourse of action.
It’s my opinion that a full Presidential pardon is in order for Mr. Lynn Moses. Please read the following article
I’m sure you will agree. Thank you for your time and service.

Sincerily
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The judge is a nut. However, why is it that once again everyone points to the judge or the government and excuses the people! The jury. if they had one even semi-intelligent person sitting on it, could have easily settling this and found the man NOT GUILTY. But, no, the people of the jury are stupid, like most Americans, and are incapable of discerning the most simplistic of scenarios.

Sure, blame the judge, the government, etc. - but don't forget the PEOPLE - they are as much if not more so responsible for his imprisonment.

PEOPLE OF THE US are stupid, lazy, uneducated and apathetic. They won't learn or embrace the freedoms and checks and balances deeded to us by the founding fathers - and that makes me almost speechless!
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No on here knows all the facts, just the one sided view presented by the OP. No one here was on the jury, but that doesn't stop the GLP morons from talking out of their collective asses, does it?

Idiots.
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This is why we need to elect Ron Paul. Get the government off the backs of the people and get it back to doing what governments should do.
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Son of a Bitch, that is really long. They could have written a book. Everything but his dog.
Can anyone sum it up in 50 words or less?

He cleared the creek and flooded someone downstream or something?
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Where the heel is the flood? They persecuted him for modifying the dry creek. No flood involved.
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He was prosecuted by the federal gov. for doing what his local gov. ordered him to do which was to keep a channel clear of debris to prevent flooding.
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"But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

Declaration of Independence July 4th 1776
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Federalists and under educated juries... what a fine mixer for a fascist tea party.

Where are the EPA's efforts to slap down the Chimp's evil efforts to lift drilling moratoriums in environmentally pristine and sensitive areas?
... They are to busy prosecuting guys like this over drainage ditches in the desert.
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maybe the hollywood celebritards can make of movie about this and Brad Pitt can be the main guy that takes care of the dry stream. Directed by Robert Redford.

Also starring;

Alec Baldwin
Tim Robbins
Sting
Al Gore
Leonardo DiCaprio
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He was prosecuted by the federal gov. for doing what his local gov. ordered him to do which was to keep a channel clear of debris to prevent flooding.
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Thank you.
It doesn't deserve prison. These feds/UN think they own all the creeks.
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No on here knows all the facts, just the one sided view presented by the OP. No one here was on the jury, but that doesn't stop the GLP morons from talking out of their collective asses, does it?

Idiots.
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Given the information here, which is what is being commented on, I see that your reaction to that same information is to assume that the man is guilty. It's people like you who stand quietly while black bag squads come to collect their neighbors.

On another note, you just know that when the town floods because no one is maintaining the drainage channel, they'll sue this guy for the damages pointing to their original agreement. They'll probably win too.
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Re: Outrage in Idaho: Feds send man to prison for protecting town from flooding
maybe the hollywood celebritards can make of movie about this and Brad Pitt can be the main guy that takes care of the dry stream. Directed by Robert Redford.

Also starring;

Alec Baldwin
Tim Robbins
Sting
Al Gore
Leonardo DiCaprio
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BETTER YET, ROBERT REDFORD CAN PLAY THE STREAM CLEANER AND BRAD PITT CAN BE THE 17 YEAR OLD DAUGHTER.
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There must be money in it some how for the judge or his family. I mean wtf would anyone try to do this to someone who has done no wrong?????
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Oh...
when i read the thread title i figured someone got a little overzealous and accidentally threw a sandbag on an infant or something.
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Is anyone really surprised? This is the same government that bombed Oklahoma City, and killed 3000 on 9-11.
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Re: Outrage in Idaho: Feds send man to prison for protecting town from flooding
I have been imploring everyone to keep an eye on weather and our midwest fellow citizens. I remind as much as I can, check your maps, email MSM> Demand to know How Are they Doing up there.

There have been arrests made of citizens attempting to arrest Karl Rove> Who by the way lately has the nerve to be a advisor of some sort on fox> bull*&^%
Arrested for trying to do good, like the guy in California arrested for fire fighting!
Do they get to come back on Appeal quietly later and get the whole thing dropped on the sly like big corporate CEO's and political figures who shall be left nameless?

Thread: Miracle on Pennsylvania Ave. (Page 2)

I have been trying to bring to light this very matter.
We need to keep an ACTIVE eye on our Brothers.
By weather map, Local News papers and TV, through news from personal contacts. Anyway we can.
We need to Actively reach out. We need to feel that sense that now is the time,
or we place at risk someone elses Right to Free speach,
Or We endanger someone else' right to the pursuit of happiness.
Act!
It does a body good:)
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They screw us everytime we turn around. Hope you don't mind I post here with you, keeps you up there though. But seriously this shit just goes on and on right in front of our very eyes.I remember early on some one had a thread going about the difference up there and with Katrina> well I guess we wouldn't know how bad some areas are, the news doesn't discuss them. And who the heck sorry to go off on a rant, But really, Opening day olympic ceremonies not being veiwed live ? More Bull%$#&.
Hey you guys have a nice day I am going to step away from the keyboard for a while> I have gotten so fired up at all this injustice I am ponding the keys> LOL> don't want to "break" it LOL Already have no sound, no printer, no cd drive> Files o%. GGGRRRR> OK
rant
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7/24/2008 10:52 PM Re: Busy busy busy Land Aquisition Committee Quote

Please do check on Iowa occassionally and remember to email and ask our dear MSM's how the folks there are doing what with all the continuous rains and storms thier already flooded area continues to recieve.How is the govt. land buyout going there?
Any Iowan or Missouri posters? Heart goes out to you, would love some input from on the ground so to speak.


[link to www.weather.com]

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7/26/2008 7:50 AM Re: Busy busy busy Land Aquisition Committee Quote

the link here if it continues to work properly shows what I have been following going on in Iowa > everyday .
Look at this rain cell that just "appears" no rolling in or movement on wind currents> it just develops in place and stays in place >

[link to www.weather.com]

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7/26/2008 8:01 AM Re: Busy busy busy Land Aquisition Committee Quote

yes it's as I thought you cannot link particular frames> Only the home page> so as I have said please make a point of checking on Iowa and the surrounding areas. Only takes a minute from a bookmark> Check at morning and night. When you realize ( and mind you these folks been going through this for a month now) but when you do realize they are "Under attack" please insist to your MSM and Local news networks > we DEMAND MORE COVERAGE > also keep in mid> Cali had soooooooooooooooooooo many fires> Just coming under control> Now fears of mudslides will come with rain> Follow california too folks> one downpor already> More on the way?
coulda sent the rain over the fires > If they really wanted to. Weather channel bought out quietly > New people everyday> I really don't think they're weather people anymore> Just anyone who can read a teleprompter>
Weather channel used to offer more news than MSM> bought out and going with the flow now.
I haven't really felt well since our GNAT invasion> trying to keep up with a lot of stuff> I have a small farm here and a lot of animals, lotta work, and I been staying up too late on GLP> LOL> So much going on in the world> Today I catch up on home stuff> tonight I finish OUR letter for our mass mailing Miracle. Peace out all>
Don't forget check on our fellow americans often> when you see them suffering anf news refuses to report it > Let them know you know, let them know you CARED enough to find out, and NOW you want to know why CNN, Fox, etc... is not reporting> P.s. Fox aired the most pathetic two minute pce. about food banks the other day > Push them folks> We WAnt THE NEWS TO REPORT THE NEWS !!!!!

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7/26/2008 8:41 AM Re: Busy busy busy Land Aquisition Committee Quote

[link to www.zwire.com]
The Dirty Bastards
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Re: Outrage in Idaho: Feds send man to prison for protecting town from flooding
speechless
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IT IS NOT SPEECHLESS, THE MAN HAD A SHITTY ATTORNEY.

IN CASES LIKE THIS, ONE NEEDS AN ATTORNEY THAT IS WELL CONNECTED POLITICALLY, HAS RELATIONSHIPS WITH JUDGES ETC.


HIS CHOICE OF ATTORNEY WAS WRONG.

HE CAN SUE FOR DAMAGES, AND WRONGFUL PROSECUTION.

HE CAN ALSO CREATE PROBLEMS FOR THE JUDGE, BY REPORTING HIM, BUT ALL THIS TAKES AN ATTORNEY WHO HAS THE GUTS, THE WILL TO DO THE JOB.

IT APPEARS ALL HIS ATTORNEY WAS INTERESTED IN WAS COLLECTING THEIR FEES, AND PUTTING ON AN HALF-ASS DEFENSE.
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There must be money in it some how for the judge or his family. I mean wtf would anyone try to do this to someone who has done no wrong?????
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 473718


Perhaps this attack upon Mr. Moses was a diversionary means to incarcerate him and divert his funds and time to not support his other "dangerous" good citizen causes. Perhaps he was standing against all the depleted uranium being dumped on Idaho shipped back in from Kuwait and Iraq to nuke the dissidents. Perhaps he supported Ron Paul or the Constitution.

If his little town there ordered him to do these actions, then doesn't it follow the fed will incarcerate all of them,too?

We need to get the Idaho Observer folks to go see what he was really up to the Feds ordered this hit on him.Sure hope he doesn't wind up like Wilhelm Reich with a "convenient" heart attack right before he gets out.

Where is this town near? I wonder if it is near the depleted uranium sites or their planned Fluoride plant?

I suppose this may be part of the taking over of all the water so we can have a "war" on water, like we are getting ready to have a "war" on foods for daring to eat natural organic foods or grow herbs independent of Mr. Rockefeller.

I believe they are indeed busy polluting all our actual clean waters themselves so they will indeed be the only ones to sell it to us from their clean water supplies they have commandeered the rights to under calling them military reservations in all the state parks.

Perhaps it was Mr.Moses' knowledge on maintaining clean waterways and his dozers they were after so his town could not be a hold out from the Rockefeller schemes in progress.

Likely they blackmailed the jury into not daring to vote wrong as Idahoans are the group most deeply knowledgable of jury rights.Maybe they all had illegal aliens working among their family businesses.





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