To Israel Defense Minister Ehud Barak: Your real defense is to keep My Law, the Ten Commandments

Here's the man's quote:

"We went from grave to grave and there was a 17 year old, and a whole delegation came from Heaven. She told them I had given 17 shekels to someone. She testified in my behalf. "

BOTTOM LINE..It's all about CONTROL...

Keeping you ASLEEP...And from REMEMBERING the TRUTH....

"OBEY YOUR MASTER!"...

It's not the same thing at all as he returned to his physical body. Catholics are under deception that they can pay money to a priest to have him pray over a dead person so he will have a place in Heaven. That's like saying it's okay to live a sinful life on Earth but you can have another chance and you will be forgiven? LOL!

If you have a 480-year-old doctrine, then it's not biblical, is it, whatever you're referring to.

Catholics and Orthodox do not believe this.

I'm referring to your doctrine. And yes, you're correct; your doctrine is not biblical.

In this man's experience, he was permitted to return to his physical body because of the intecession of the dead.

If they had not interceded/testified on his behalf, he would be dead and perhaps he would also be in hell.

Their intercession on behalf of this man helped him. That is the point.

It is something that your 480 year old doctrine disagrees with.

Intercession for live saints is correct, dead ones, certainly not. You people need to come out of the Great Whore of Revelation 18 and all her little harlots.

In the Old Testament we read of Judas Maccabeus who related a vision that God had given to him concerning deceased believers.

What he saw was this: "Onias, the former high priest…was praying with outstretched arms for the whole Jewish community. Then in the same way another man appeared…Onias then said of him, ‘This is God’s prophet Jeremiah, who loves his brethren and fervently prays for his people and their holy city’” (2 Maccabees 15:12-14).

So here we have evidence of deceased believers, a high priest and a great prophet, continuing their intercession for God’s people even after their deaths.

Also in the Old Testament (see Hebrews 1:1-2) we find an understanding that one may pray for another. "If a man sins against another man, one can intercede for him with the LORD" (1 Samuel 2:25).

Jesus informs us that the faithful that have left this life are still alive to God.

"Moses in the passage about the bush…called the Lord the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. God is not the God of the dead, but of the living. All are alive to Him" (Luke 20: 37-38).

Jesus graphically demonstrated this truth on the Mount of Transfiguration where he spoke to Elijah and Moses (Matthew 17:3).

Elijah may never have died since he was taken up to heaven while apparently still alive (2 Kings 2:11).

Moses, however, had certainly died long ago (Deuteronomy 34:5-8).

In the New Testament we read of Christians in heaven interceding for those on earth. "Along with their harps, the elders were holding vessels of gold filled with aromatic spices which were the prayers of God’s holy people" (Revelation 5:8).

What are you talking about?

Are you saying that the dead believers can intercede on behalf of the living?

If you have to pray for dead saints, then the Cross of Jesus is of no account whatsoever. He died for live saints, not dead ones.

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How do you know that they are saints?

How do you know the judgement of God when a person dies?

Jesus told us not to judge because we don't know the heart of a person.

You may judge a person to be a saint. But that may not be God's judgement.

In re examining this man's account, I see that there are a few parts of this man's experience which are unscriptural especially this section we are discussing, so I'm now calling it bogus. There is no prayer for the dead, never was, never shall be.

Scribe

No he didn't.

The resurrection of the dead was expressly taught by Christ ( John 5:28-29 ; 6:39-40 ; 11:25 ; Luke 14:14 ) and defended against the unbelief of the Sadducees, whom He charged with ignorance of the power of God and of the Scriptures ( Matthew 22:29 ; Luke 20:37 ).

St. Paul places the general resurrection on the same level of certainty with that of Christ's Resurrection : "If Christ be preached, that he rose again from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then Christ is not risen again.

And if Christ be not risen again, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain" ( 1 Corinthians 15:12 sqq. ).

The Apostle preached the resurrection of the dead as one of the fundamental doctrines of Christianity, at Athens, for instance ( Acts 17:18, 31, 32 ), at Jerusalem (xxiii, 6), before Felix (xxiv, 15), before Agrippa (xxvi, 8).

He insists on the same doctrine in his Epistles ( Romans 8:11 ; 1 Corinthians 6:14 ; 15:12 sqq. ; 2 Corinthians 4:14 ; 5:1 sqq. ; Philippians 3:21 ; 1 Thessalonians 4:12-16 ; 2 Timothy 2:11 ; Hebrews 6:2 ), and in this he agrees with the Apocalypse (xx, 12 sqq.).

It is you and your 480 year-old unbiblical doctrine that is bogus.

Your man-made doctrine created by Martin Luther who deleted books from the bible that disagreed with him. What Luther did was the same disgraceful disfigurement of the bible that Marcion performed.

Martin Luther deleted 2 Maccabeus from your bible because it diagreed with his doctrine.

"Therefore [Judas Maccabeus] made atonement for the dead, that they might be delivered from their sin." (2 Macc 12:46)

"Your man-made doctrine created by Martin Luther.."

What about the man-made change in the Sabbath Day promulgated by the Catholic Church? And..Luther agreed with you....

You're BOTH wrong.

People need to read the Holy Bible..and get away from *any* 'church' doctrines.

Period.

I'm glad he did as it's not scriptural. Only Jesus provided atonement for sin.

Martin Luther deleted 2 Maccabeus from your bible because it diagreed with his doctrine.

"Therefore [Judas Maccabeus] made atonement for the dead, that they might be delivered from their sin." (2 Macc 12:46)






Not scriptural? Are you joking or just confused?

Not scriptural?

It is in the Septuagint. The Septuagint is the Old Testament that Jesus and the Apostles used.

It is the Old Testament used by Christianity for 1500 years, until one man -- Martin Luther changed it to suit his own doctrine.

To say that 2 Maccabeus is not scriptural is like you saying that there is no such thing as any word beginning with the letter "L" because Martin Luther removed the letter "L" from your alphabet.

Luther deleted this book from your bible. That is why you do not see it. Your bible is corrupted. The early church fathers warned people at the time of Marcion that those who corrupted the bible would be scattered and confused.

This was prophetic. Protestantism is scattered and confused. Broken into thousands of sects and churches all disagreeing with one another. All believing that they each have their own personal Holy Spirit that contradicst each other.

There is only one truth. One Holy Spirit.

Your "Holy Spirit" is 480 years old. It is a redacted and corrupted doctrine from your redacted and corrupted bible.

If Martin Luther was right, then why did Jesus and his apostles teach from the Sepruaguint?

You believe Luther over Jesus. It's crazy.

Jesus himself prayed to his Father on behalf of the dead Lazarus.

Jesus thanked God for having heard his prayer when he raised Lazarus (John 11:41).

Jesus prayed for the dead. Not scriptural?

2 Tim. 1:16-18 - Onesiphorus is dead but Paul asks for mercy on him "on that day." Paul’s use of "that day" demonstrates its eschatological usage (see, for example, Rom. 2.5,16; 1 Cor. 1.8; 3.13; 5.5; 2 Cor. 1.14; Phil. 1.6,10; 2.16; 1 Thess. 5.2,4,5,8; 2 Thess. 2.2,3; 2 Tim. 4.8).

Paul prayed for the dead.

Matt. 12:32 – Jesus says, "And anyone who says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but no one who speaks against the Holy Spirit will be forgiven either in this world or in the next."

Jesus thus clearly provides that there is forgiveness after death. The phrase "in the next" (from the Greek "en to mellonti") generally refers to the afterlife (see, for example, Mark 10.30; Luke 18.30; 20.34-35; Eph. 1.21 for similar language).

Forgiveness is not necessary in heaven, and there is no forgiveness in hell. This proves that there is another state after death, and the Church for 2,000 years has called this state purgatory.

1 Cor. 15:29-30 - Paul mentions people being baptized on behalf of the dead, in the context of atoning for their sins (people are baptized on the dead’s behalf so the dead can be raised). These people cannot be in heaven because they are still with sin, but they also cannot be in hell because their sins can no longer be atoned for. They are in purgatory. These verses directly correspond to 2 Macc. 12:44-45 which also shows specific prayers for the dead, so that they may be forgiven of their sin.

Baruch 3:4 - Baruch asks the Lord to hear the prayers of the dead of Israel. Prayers for the dead are unnecessary in heaven and unnecessary in hell.

It was not a prayer. It was a command. There is no prayer for the dead. Period. No debate.

Finally, my last admonition: Do not add to the Word - Baruch is another unscriptural book, not Holy Ghost breathed.

Not a prayer on behalf of the dead Lazarus?

Then what was this that Jesus said?

"So they took away the stone. And Jesus raised his eyes and said, "Father, I thank you for hearing me.

I know that you always hear me; but because of the crowd here I have said this, that they may believe that you sent me."

Jesus could have prayed to the Father in silence.

He did not.

Jesus prayed to the Father out loud so that people would hear his prayer as the Father always hears his prayer.

"because of the crowd here I have said this."

It was only after Jesus prayed for Lazarus to the Father, that he then commanded Lazarus to rise.

His prayer came before his action. The prayer preceded the miracle.

Jesus prayed for Lazarus to the Father. It did so out loud so that the crowd could hear him.

If he wanted too, Jesus could have told Lazarus to rise without praying first. But he didn't do that. He purposely prayed first.

And Paul also prayed for the dead.

All the christian denominations in the world pray for the dead -- They have prayed for the dead for 2,000 years. They pray for the dead now.

Only the 480 year-old protestant religion refuses to pray for the dead because one man told them not to do what Jesus, the apostles and the Christian churches have done for 2,000 years.

Luther corrupted your bibles to fit his doctrine. And he told you to look only to the bible that he gave you (sola scriptura).

And you look to your corrupted bible and you complain "This isn't biblical!"

It is biblical. But it was removed from your bible. It's not there because it was deleted.

Your Old Testament is not the one used by Jesus and the Apostles. Your Old Testament is not the one used at Pentecost, when the disciples received the spiritual power to carry out their newly assigned mission -- to proclaim the sovereignty of God's love through the resurrection of Jesus, the Messiah/Christ.

Those prophecies of the Messiah that were used to prove that Jesus is the Messiah were not from your Old Testament. They were from the Septuagint.

Your Old Testament canon had not even been compiled at the time of Pentecost and was never used to convert Jews to Christianity.

Your Old Testament came from a convocation of the remnant Jewish Sannhendrin 60 years after Pentecost in order to stop the conversion of Jews to Christianity.

In their reaction against Christianity the Jews modified their own Scriptures. This is the Old Testament canon that Luther supported. It is not the Old Testament canon that the Holy Spirit supported at Pentecost.

Your admonition? You have no credibility.

You are told not to take away from scripture.

This is what you have done.

Revelation 22:18-19

"I warn everyone who hears the prophetic words in this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book,

and if anyone takes away from the words in this prophetic book, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city described in this book."

The proof of this warning is the 35,000 shattered, fractured sects and denomination of Protestantism who fight, disagree and condemn one another. A Tower of Babel of pride and confusion.

Martin Luther was against the Vatican's selling of indulgences in order to receive large gifts with the promise of salvation. He also taught we are justified by faith. The many splintered protestant denominations formed their own doctrines, but now they are coming together to join up with the traditions of the Catholic church to become as the little harlots, Revelation 17:5, to its sun god worship, and Mary worship or intercession in lieu of Jesus our Intercessor.

Therefore God's chosen people, which are few, have nothing to do with denominations as they are hung up with sun god worship day, christmas and easter, which are pagan unholy days.

Scribe

Scribe,
-What is the purpose of the Law?
-And have you kept it?

Scribe,
-What is the purpose of the Law?
-And have you kept it?

I'll ask you one. For what purpose is the Holy Bible?

I asked you first. I would be glad to dialogue with you a bit.

God gave us the Law for the same reason as He gave us the Bible - to keep us informed as to God's Mind and what to Him constitutes the sins of iniquity, and how it offends a holy righteous God.