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A 'Frankenrobot' with a Biological Brain

 
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A 'Frankenrobot' with a Biological Brain
[link to www.breitbart.com]

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..and so it begins..
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Wouldn't it be nice if this scientific development WOULD BE used to further research into Alzheimers, Parkinsons, or maybe ways to help repair the severely damaged veterans coming out of war zones?

Wouldn't that be nice?
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Locomotion it would be nice in an ideal world many things I object to would be non issues


Unfortunately, just like RFID chipping-it will not be used to enhance but to control


They even have pills now they can give to a pt who has suffered extreme trauma-and it wipes the memory-Ideations to use it for trauma or PTSD people-what are the longterm effects and are they in effect denying development to someone-many want to avoid conflict or pain-but there are lessons to be learned from my experience

They can control behavior now more than ever-electronically


Just like RFID with its claims of safety of the data held on devices-anyone with a reader can swipe it off your cards-even in your purse or back pocket-once they are implanted in the masses another unethical person could swipe the data just as easily from your body with a reader...so wherein IS the security-and who are the controllers???

Are they not human like us? If they are something other-then many Holy books have spelled it out-they are striving towards evil intent-for if they are imperfect they are as prone to error as the rest of the populace and what can be gained in error?

Many of the diseases are caused by environmental toxins or foods/meds ingested. Many more cases are being created in diabetes too-How much can be attributed to high fructose corn syrup???Or the use of all these chemical sugar replacements????(aspartame, splenda,saccharin, toxic imho)instead of Stevia(sweet leaf) The amount of death increases more often than not when 'they' make improvements...

It is the truth

The cures humanity needs are far easier to achieve than the majority will know....for a while-there are many available if all the subterfuge is removed-truly there are!Many have died spilling the truth-many have tried-we will get there but we are still under illusion and delusions-not for much longer.

Dis ease first presents energetically(esoterically)then the framework is in place and physical manifestation follows-accordingly with DNA-the keys to creation-alot of our DNA is currently switched off-A LOT

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Wouldn't it be nice if this scientific development WOULD BE used to further research into Alzheimers, Parkinsons, or maybe ways to help repair the severely damaged veterans coming out of war zones?

Wouldn't that be nice?
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Yes. It would be very nice. I hope that is what they use it for.
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Locomotion it would be nice in an ideal world many things I object to would be non issues


Unfortunately, just like RFID chipping-it will not be used to enhance but to control


They even have pills now they can give to a pt who has suffered extreme trauma-and it wipes the memory-Ideations to use it for trauma or PTSD people-what are the longterm effects and are they in effect denying development to someone-many want to avoid conflict or pain-but there are lessons to be learned from my experience

They can control behavior now more than ever-electronically


Just like RFID with its claims of safety of the data held on devices-anyone with a reader can swipe it off your cards-even in your purse or back pocket-once they are implanted in the masses another unethical person could swipe the data just as easily from your body with a reader...so wherein IS the security-and who are the controllers???

Are they not human like us? If they are something other-then many Holy books have spelled it out-they are striving towards evil intent-for if they are imperfect they are as prone to error as the rest of the populace and what can be gained in error?

Many of the diseases are caused by environmental toxins or foods/meds ingested. Many more cases are being created in diabetes too-How much can be attributed to high fructose corn syrup???Or the use of all these chemical sugar replacements????(aspartame, splenda,saccharin, toxic imho)instead of Stevia(sweet leaf) The amount of death increases more often than not when 'they' make improvements...

It is the truth

The cures humanity needs are far easier to achieve than the majority will know....for a while-there are many available if all the subterfuge is removed-truly there are!Many have died spilling the truth-many have tried-we will get there but we are still under illusion and delusions-not for much longer.

Dis ease first presents energetically(esoterically)then the framework is in place and physical manifestation follows-accordingly with DNA-the keys to creation-alot of our DNA is currently switched off-A LOT

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Agreed Shadowdancer, almost to the word...

You're probably familiar with the work of Antoine Bechamp, a contemporary of Louis Pasteur and quite a visionary in his approach to dis*ease.

Bechamp:
"The Primary cause of our disease is in us, always in us."

That applies to our mental and spiritual state as well as physical, as all are connected.

Did our mental/spiritual dis*ease lead to our physical dis*ease? ALL are connected.

Time for humanity to 'get right' with itself...and we can do that, but not within the current paradigm.

We're gonna need a new paradigm...
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Sickening!
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they better keep their robot out of india....it might be the "blue-plate special"...lol
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scary but I believe this is our future.

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scary but I believe this is our future.

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The maddening part is that, instead of seeing these advances as hopeful, we see them as scary...and we all know why.

Where is the future we were promised?

What kind of future are we promising our next generations?
If we do not hang together, we shall surely hang separately. ~Thomas Paine

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Re: A 'Frankenrobot' with a Biological Brain
Here is the article, on my way out the door...

A 'Frankenrobot' with a biological brain

Aug 13 03:25 PM US/Eastern


Gordon the ‘Frankenrobot’ has Biological Brain of Rat Neurons


Meet Gordon, probably the world's first robot controlled exclusively by living brain tissue.
Stitched together from cultured rat neurons, Gordon's primitive grey matter was designed at the University of Reading by scientists who unveiled the neuron-powered machine on Wednesday.

Their groundbreaking experiments explore the vanishing boundary between natural and artificial intelligence, and could shed light on the fundamental building blocks of memory and learning, one of the lead researchers told AFP.

"The purpose is to figure out how memories are actually stored in a biological brain," said Kevin Warwick, a professor at the University of Reading and one of the robot's principle architects.

Observing how the nerve cells cohere into a network as they fire off electrical impulses, he said, may also help scientists combat neurodegenerative diseases that attack the brain such as Alzheimer's and Parkinson's.

"If we can understand some of the basics of what is going on in our little model brain, it could have enormous medical spinoffs," he said.

Looking a bit like the garbage-compacting hero of the blockbuster animation "Wall-E", Gordon has a brain composed of 50,000 to 100,000 active neurons.

Once removed from rat foetuses and disentangled from each other with an enzyme bath, the specialised nerve cells are laid out in a nutrient-rich medium across an eight-by-eight centimetre (five-by-five inch) array of 60 electrodes.

This "multi-electrode array" (MEA) serves as the interface between living tissue and machine, with the brain sending electrical impulses to drive the wheels of the robots, and receiving impulses delivered by sensors reacting to the environment.

Because the brain is living tissue, it must be housed in a special temperature-controlled unit -- it communicates with its "body" via a Bluetooth radio link.

The robot has no additional control from a human or computer.

From the very start, the neurons get busy. "Within about 24 hours, they start sending out feelers to each other and making connections," said Warwick.

"Within a week we get some spontaneous firings and brain-like activity" similar to what happens in a normal rat -- or human -- brain, he added.

But without external stimulation, the brain will wither and die within a couple of months.

"Now we are looking at how best to teach it to behave in certain ways," explained Warwick.

To some extent, Gordon learns by itself. When it hits a wall, for example, it gets an electrical stimulation from the robot's sensors. As it confronts similar situations, it learns by habit.

To help this process along, the researchers also use different chemicals to reinforce or inhibit the neural pathways that light up during particular actions.

Gordon, in fact, has multiple personalities -- several MEA "brains" that the scientists can dock into the robot.

"It's quite funny -- you get differences between the brains," said Warwick. "This one is a bit boisterous and active, while we know another is not going to do what we want it to."

Mainly for ethical reasons, it is unlikely that researchers at Reading or the handful of laboratories around the world exploring the same terrain will be using human neurons any time soon in the same kind of experiments.

But rats brain cells are not a bad stand-in: much of the difference between rodent and human intelligence, speculates Warwick, could be attributed to quantity not quality.

Rats brains are composed of about one million neurons, the specialised cells that relay information across the brain via chemicals called neurotransmitters.

Humans have 100 billion.

"This is a simplified version of what goes on in the human brain where we can look -- and control -- the basic features in the way that we want. In a human brain, you can't really do that," he said.

For colleague Ben Whalley, one of the fundamental questions facing scientists today is how to link the activity of individual neurons with the overwhelmingly complex behaviour of whole organisms.

"The project gives us a unique opportunity to look at something which may exhibit complex behaviours, but still remain closely tied to the activity of individual neurons," he said.


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