Help! Spider Bite

warning graphic pictures of spider and tick bites, ugh...but at least you might be able to tell what bit you...

[link to www.biteremedy.com]

for any poison/toxin (in terms of a home remedy) == try vitamin C....I would take up to four grams a day (4,000 milligrams). my favorite brand is Alacer Emergen-C.

After seeing what a recluse spidey bite can do, I took this down, but it might be just as useful for any insect bite:

Treatment #1 Don't scratch it!

Use straight bleach on the area. Leave it on. The drawing action will pull out the toxins. Do not wait on this.

Vicadin (Pain killer)
Pain Spray?
Zapper
Valerian
Vitamin C - lots of it
Plantain salve - leaves for poultice
Drawing salve
Gold Bond Triple Ointment with Pain Reliever
Lanacaine antibacterial First Aid Spray for itching
Aloe Vera (Soak gauze and apply to wound)
Colloidal Silver
Benedryl Spray
Adolph's Meat Tenderizer

Good luck! Hope you stop it in time.
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Edgar Cayce diagnosed a brown recluse bite. Get some powder Bentonite, colloidal silver and olive oil with fresh garlic. Make a paste poultice, and apply to the wound. Bentonite is an amazing product.

You need some Spiderbait to lure them away

might try using a 9 volt battery, over wet paper towel, a pesticide co. worker told me if you zap the bite with electricity it will stop the necroptic effect stops
also try some arnica oil from your local health food store
and wrap it in gauze with the arnica oil

Here's some Bentonite links.

[link to www.nextag.com]

As long as the blue center doesn't get bigger your antibiotics are working well; if it starts to increase in size let your doctor know right away.

Blue/black centers = tissue death/necrosis.

The big area of redness is your body's immune system surrounding the invader poison and keeping it from entering the surrounding tissues and the bloodstream.

Itching is a normal allergic response to the inflammatory process of histamine release. Benadryl will help if it's driving you crazy but it makes you tired and causes some people to be very irritable.

Avoid sugar, especially alcohol.

Eat food with your antibiotics - - this will sometimes help. If your nausea is making you stop the antibiotics, call the doctor and ask him if there's a substitute.

Get well soon.

Yeow!!! IF you did get bit by a brown recluse, you better go get it cleaned out!! The sting produces a necrotic lesion. It creates a blister surrounded by concentric white and red circles. The so called "bulls eye appearance is helpful in distinguishing it from other spider bites. Nausea, fever and chills are common.They shoot formic acid, I think it is called, and it dissolves your skin under the epidermis. We have had patients with holes in their bodies the size of baseballs. You can also lose a limb. It just keeps dissolving until it is dug out and scraped not to mention antibiotics. Seriously, see a doctor. The fastest you get it taken care of the better chance not to lose flesh. No antivenom exists. Hope that helps ya!!

you need to get to a GP and have him /her excise all effected tissue. the toxin in the brown recluse aka fiddle back spider, causes gangrene. so does the bite of the infamous hobo spider.

I read that this is good for snakebite also.

Something from a GLPer that I saved. How to use 9 volt battery for zapping:

POOR MAN´S ZAPPER
I post this information for people who may not be able to afford a zapper.
If you´ve read Hulda Clark´s books
she gave the the simple solution for the financially challenged to cure themselves of parasites,ultra simple,buy a 9 volt battery.Hulda states that by using a square wave frequency the zapper kills ALL types of parasites,and it can be done in a total of one hour.

Wet the finger of one hand and place it on either of the battery terminals.Wet the finger of the other hand and tap the other terminal as fast as you can,
usually 3 minutes will kill most parasites,7 minutes will kill all the nasties.All that is needed is a square wave.The rapid tapping with a finger creates a square wave.The speed or frequency of the square wave is not critical.It merely works by tapping.

For the worst kind of parasites one zaps for 7 minutes.This kills the parasite itself,but there are bacteria living in the parasites who packed bags and left the parasites because they were dead.So a person waits for 20 minutes while the bacteria finish packing bags.One again zaps for 7 minutes,this kills the bacteria.Again wait 20 minutes while the viruses pack their bags and exit the dead bacteria.One more 7 minute zapping kills the exited virus.Process complete.
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hydrocortisone cream costs only 2 dollars a tube at your local dollar store. but it heals spiderbites almost overnite. I am serious. This stuff really works fast and will stop it from itching too.

Other posts reminded me of tobacco - - said to draw out the toxins but not sure how effective it would be if you've already been absorbing for awhile ... works great in emergencies and wilderness, just wet it and make a paste - - apply and wrap.

Castor oil is also said to draw out impurities naturally - - $4-5 for a small bottle at Whole Foods or health food stores, probably available at drug stores, too. Cover with castor oil and thin cotton cloth, wrap with plastic cover like saran wrap, then additional cotton or other dressing. Change every 8 hours.

re tick bite, scanned the replies and did not see this , Ticks generally go for a snug area, underpants band/pants belt line, crotch, armpits, inside socks, between toes, hat band, etc and take a while to attach, so you can likely rule out a forearm bite, fwiw.

This is going to sound bizzarre, but take some raw bacon,
put it on the bite-area, wrap some towelling around it
(so you don't mess up the bed) and leave it overnight, for
a few nights. Swear to God it fixed me right up! (I had no
money or health insurance at the time.)

I'll say it again, get to a competent scalpel. if you were bitten by a brown rec you must remove ALL effected tissue. this is not a time to fuck around. the brown rec was removed from the list of deadly spiders because its bite is "SO TOXIC IT CANNOT GO UNNOTICED". if you ignore the bite of a brown rec you WILL die an ugly, smelly and painful death.

Ditto on what she said! Take it very seriously if its a brown recluse.

See a doctor!
People die from brown recluse bites.
I could have after one doctor dismissed it.

See more than one doctor and get treatment.
The brown recluse bite injects something that breaks tissue down like acid.

See a doctor!
More than one!

After my first doctor dismissed my brown recluse bite as me using cold packs too much-or scalding myself--
Another doctor put me into a hospital.
Intensive care then, wound care for months.

Lucky I survived.





Dee,
Don't let one incompetent doctor sentence you to death.
Get help!
People die from brown recluse bites.

blend about 6 raw onions in blender or juice them

make up pads soaked in this pulp / juice and put over lesion to pull out poison from bite

I was bit by a brown recluse in a mountain town in Cali in 2002. I had gone into my basement and got bit there. There were lots of spider webs and I didn't see the spider at the time - just felt the bite. I was getting some stored luggage out of the basement because I was going to my son's graduation from Embry Riddle University in Arizona and was leaving in two days.

The bite hurt but I didn't think it was dangerous until two days later, while driving to Arizona, it grew into this horrible looking mass, the size of a large marble, with rotating fluids swirling around inside of it and I was very sick. It was totally freaky!

I arrived in Prescott, Arizona and went to a hospital and they did an emergency surgery and recognized the bite immediately as a brown recluse. The red streaks from the bite on the finger had already traveled up to my elbow by the time I got to the hospital and then traveled half way to the top of my arm before residing.

They told me that I was very lucky to not still be in Cali. Here in Cali they claim we don't have them. The doctors in Arizona were joking about the irony of getting bit in Cali and just happened to be coming to Arizona anyway. One of them told me that traveling to Arizona probably saved my life, or at least my arm, because when doctors don't recognize the brown recluse bite right away then it gets to a very dangerous point.

The Arizona doctors said that I was really lucky and that if I had waited longer there would have been dire consequences. When I got back to Cali I had to be under a doctor's care here and he said that when he called the county health department to report the bite they told him that we don't have brown recluse's in this county. But we do! He admitted to me that he wasn't quite sure how to treat it so he was in close contact with the Arizona doctors.

I even called Davis University and talked with one of their spider "experts" and the woman told me that it couldn't have been a brown recluse and that there were none in California. I was hoping to verify that we do have them in California to be able to call the county health department back.

The Arizona doctors had told me that the Cali doctors would argue about it being a brown recluse. The Cali people told me I must have been bitten in Arizona. But I was bitten in the basement of my house in Cali in a small town in the Sierra Nevadas. It was just a small, painful, red
bite for the first two days but I wasn't concerned because had been bitten by spiders before and this bite seemed to be the norm at first.

I think an angel was watching over me by taking me to Arizona where they are experts in such bites. Thank goodness my son had chosen ERAU at Prescott to attend college!

So, if it is brown recluse, I hope you are in a state where the doctors recognize them and know how to effectively treat them. Cali isn't one of them!

Pondlady02 is right! Just in case it is brown recluse try and find a doctor in your state that can treat them. See a specialist just in case! It was a horrible experience and took awhile to heal and get back to normal and was extremely painful.

But those Arizona doctors are good - I don't even have a scar now.

Spiders are cool. Leave them alone.......

I don't know what a brown recluse is, but if you're talking on GLP, my guess is that you're prolly OK. I've never had a spider problem. My cat once found a scorpion walking across the living room floor.

I was bit by a brown recluse in a mountain town in Cali in 2002. I had gone into my basement and got bit there. There were lots of spider webs and I didn't see the spider at the time - just felt the bite. I was getting some stored luggage out of the basement because I was going to my son's graduation from Embry Riddle University in Arizona and was leaving in two days.

The bite hurt but I didn't think it was dangerous until two days later, while driving to Arizona, it grew into this horrible looking mass, the size of a large marble, with rotating fluids swirling around inside of it and I was very sick. It was totally freaky!

I arrived in Prescott, Arizona and went to a hospital and they did an emergency surgery and recognized the bite immediately as a brown recluse. The red streaks from the bite on the finger had already traveled up to my elbow by the time I got to the hospital and then traveled half way to the top of my arm before residing.

They told me that I was very lucky to not still be in Cali. Here in Cali they claim we don't have them. The doctors in Arizona were joking about the irony of getting bit in Cali and just happened to be coming to Arizona anyway. One of them told me that traveling to Arizona probably saved my life, or at least my arm, because when doctors don't recognize the brown recluse bite right away then it gets to a very dangerous point.

The Arizona doctors said that I was really lucky and that if I had waited longer there would have been dire consequences. When I got back to Cali I had to be under a doctor's care here and he said that when he called the county health department to report the bite they told him that we don't have brown recluse's in this county. But we do! He admitted to me that he wasn't quite sure how to treat it so he was in close contact with the Arizona doctors.

I even called Davis University and talked with one of their spider "experts" and the woman told me that it couldn't have been a brown recluse and that there were none in California. I was hoping to verify that we do have them in California to be able to call the county health department back.

The Arizona doctors had told me that the Cali doctors would argue about it being a brown recluse. The Cali people told me I must have been bitten in Arizona. But I was bitten in the basement of my house in Cali in a small town in the Sierra Nevadas. It was just a small, painful, red
bite for the first two days but I wasn't concerned because had been bitten by spiders before and this bite seemed to be the norm at first.

I think an angel was watching over me by taking me to Arizona where they are experts in such bites. Thank goodness my son had chosen ERAU at Prescott to attend college!

So, if it is brown recluse, I hope you are in a state where the doctors recognize them and know how to effectively treat them. Cali isn't one of them!

Pondlady02 is right! Just in case it is brown recluse try and find a doctor in your state that can treat them. See a specialist just in case! It was a horrible experience and took awhile to heal and get back to normal and was extremely painful.

But those Arizona doctors are good - I don't even have a scar now.

Sorry for double, got a "connection timed out" and when I got back on it posted again.

>In Kansas, the brown recluse is an extremely common house spider.[10]
Finally, recluses have a prevalence for hiding in boxes which allows them to be transported out of their range by commerce or residential relocation.
...
Despite their reclusive habits, they do occasionally bite humans.
Recluses typically bite when they are trapped between flesh and another surface, as when a sleeping human rolls over on a prowling spider, or when putting on clothing or shoes containing spiders.
Ways to reduce bite risk from recluse spiders include: 1) keep beds away from walls; remove bed skirts and items under the bed so that the only pathway to the bed is up the legs. 2) Keep clothing off the floor; if it is on the floor, shake it vigorously before dressing. 3) Store all intermittantly used items such as gardening clothing, baseball mitts or roller skates in spider-proof boxes or bags.<


source:
Identifying and Misidentifying the Brown Recluse Spider
Rick Vetter
Dermatology Online Journal 5 (2): 7
Department of Entomology, University of California Riverside

>All recluse species are probably capable of inflicting necrotizing bites, however, there may be behavioral and toxicological differences among the various species.

Two other spiders that have the potential to produce necrotizing wounds, though much less well-documented than the brown recluse, are the hobo spider and the yellow sac spider. The hobo spider (Tegenaria agrestis) may be found in the Pacific Northwest as far east as Montana and south into Oregon and Utah. The two yellow sac species (Cheiracanthium spp.) are found all over the United States, but probably only produce minor necrotic wounds.
Identifying the Brown Recluse Spider

One can readily learn how to identify recluse spiders with less than a minute's training. Whereas most U.S. spiders have 8 eyes, typically arranged in 2 rows of 4, the recluse spiders have 6 eyes arranged in pairs <

I've been bit twice by a brown spider; from the size of the bite probably not a recluse itself but it's brown cousins have the same type of poison, just not as strong. Did some research after.

There are two main types of spider poison: 1) Black Widow type which is a systemic type, gets into the blood stream and goes all over, makes you very sick. 2) Brown Recluse type which is localized but which kills the tissue.

The main danger in the Brown Recluse type is gangrene because you basically have rotting meat in an open wound. That's why your doctor has you on a strong antibiotic. If you are really having trouble with the medication, tell your doctor and ask for a different prescription. DON'T mess around with the possibility of gangrene or blood poisoning. Use hydrogen peroxide on the dead tissue, it will wash it away and disinfect the healthy tissue. Good stuff.

Take care of yourself. You are the only you this world has.

Hey all, been away from puter since I posted last night but thank you for all of your kind advice. I live in Springfield Mo and I guess the brown recluse is attracted to this part of the country.
A little update on the bite area, still drive you crazy itchey, the large red circle now looks like a mild sunburn healing I think but the center of the bite still closed up tight meaning putting peroxide on it does nothing (no white foaming). Still taking the antibotics 1 twice day for 10 days so don't know if they are doing anything but giving me a upset stomach (on day 3) (Bite happened Monday).
Has anyone tried any ointments that might draw this stuff out. I seem to remember growing up a "black" smelly drawing sauve and would it be safe to put on the bite area?
Thanks Again
Dee

Yep

I'm a BIG FAN of Castor Oil for pulling out swelling from stings, bites, and sprains/strains........BUT
There are three types of spider bites I wouldn't recommend this for:
Brown Recluse, Aggressive House spider (look it up on line... it's common and the bite is nastier than a wolf spider bite) and a black widow bite.

Glad you're on antibiotics. Vitamin C will, of course, help with the body's defense.....

I HATE spider bites and usually have some pretty bad reactions to them......good luck!

you will probably need to have the affected area cut out by doctor otherwise it keeps coming back after it appears to get better...

OP, watch Arachnophobia!

I'm sure it will help you feel better!

Just kidding!

I really can't stand it when idiots argue with you about what "lives" where. This is a huge country and people move cross country all the time, every day. No one goes through every box to make sure a microscopic speck that's nearly clear isn't there. I mean, please. If you see a huge one, you stomp it. The best defense is thye Orkin guy, fogging a house before you move in and have one of those pest pulsors that makes it unattractive to be there.

Also to just let you all know, where I am currently living I have lived here for almost 6 years. Never saw a spider in the house since I have been here. Never saw the one that got me either...lol.
I am also 53 years young so not a messy housekeeper by any means. I cannot spray as I have 2 large maccaws and 2 yorkies and cannot get the birds out of the house as I walk with the aid of a cane as well. (knee replacement gone bad 2 yrs old). Any other extermination option available? Still have not seen any pests in the house except for hubby and he's no help. If there was such a thing as re-incarnation, I want to come back as a t.v. remote control....lol. He just tells me to let nature take its course.