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| DrPostman   Forum Moderator User ID: 51197 8/17/2008 6:56 PM
 | | Re: ZetaTalk LIVE Chat August 16 | Quote |
Go to her livejournal entries and you'll see she's one of the "true believers". Quoting: Anonymous Coward 486056
Thanks but, I see enough already on GLP.
"You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief
is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to
believe."
-- Carl Sagan "Sooner or later all the peoples of the world will have to discover a way to
live together in peace, and thereby transform this pending cosmic elegy into
a creative psalm of brotherhood. If this is to be achieved, man must evolve
for all human conflict a method which rejects revenge, aggression, and retaliation.
The foundation of such a method is love."
--Reverend Martin Luther King
Can't PM? Feel free to email me at
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 486526 8/17/2008 7:11 PM | | Re: ZetaTalk LIVE Chat August 16 | Quote |
Lone Ranger, Professor Rabbit and the like: You used to really piss me off, disrupting and distracting my good read. Then, I learned to utilize my speed reading skills. When a hiccup occurs; i.e., when I run into you guys, now I just use my little ole finger to scoll right on by your posts. NO SENSE getting pissed off. You are paid to be here, just doing your job. I, then, can ignore you, as it is my choice to do so; thereby taking contol of the situation... I'm sure I'm not the only one to do just so!
A wonderful argument for willful ignorance. Can't let anything
challenge your beliefs, even if reality smacks you in the
face it's your belief, damnit!
:hedbanger: Quoting: DrPostman
She is talking about the hate, the disagreements or correction of fact does not have to include childish derogatory in your face stuff.
I have also found some of the Nancy/Zeta statements to be wrong but still read for entertainment. |
| DrPostman   Forum Moderator User ID: 51197 8/17/2008 7:15 PM
 | | Re: ZetaTalk LIVE Chat August 16 | Quote |
She is talking about the hate, the disagreements or correction of fact does not have to include childish derogatory in your face stuff.
I have also found some of the Nancy/Zeta statements to be wrong but still read for entertainment. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 486526
Unfortunately there are still some people who don't. There
are quite a few people who took her words as anything other
than entertainment and uprooted and screwed up their lives
and their relationships because of what she claimed would
happen in 2003. And she just shrugs off the hurt she caused. "Sooner or later all the peoples of the world will have to discover a way to
live together in peace, and thereby transform this pending cosmic elegy into
a creative psalm of brotherhood. If this is to be achieved, man must evolve
for all human conflict a method which rejects revenge, aggression, and retaliation.
The foundation of such a method is love."
--Reverend Martin Luther King
Can't PM? Feel free to email me at
DrPostman(at)gmail.com
Want to know if a site is down, or if
the problem is at your end? Go to:
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 88145 8/17/2008 8:15 PM | | Re: ZetaTalk LIVE Chat August 16 | Quote |
Thank you Nancy another wonderful session.
To her detractors: Don't you have something better to do? This woman is amazing and amazingly accurate thanks to her contacts. Quoting: ufonews 473946
You say this, yet not a single one of you "believers" has ever been able to meet the challnege I've been making for several years...name one single astronomical prediction or claim that Nancy has EVER made that has actually come true. Just one that you can defend without using her own web site. Just one....
Now, let's see how you do. |
| User # 78/68 User ID: 471033 8/17/2008 8:15 PM
 | | Re: ZetaTalk LIVE Chat August 16 | Quote |
Lone Ranger, Professor Rabbit and the like: You used to really piss me off, disrupting and distracting my good read. Then, I learned to utilize my speed reading skills. When a hiccup occurs; i.e., when I run into you guys, now I just use my little ole finger to scoll right on by your posts. NO SENSE getting pissed off. You are paid to be here, just doing your job. I, then, can ignore you, as it is my choice to do so; thereby taking contol of the situation... I'm sure I'm not the only one to do just so!
If they weren't being paid to be here, then they, too, could just scroll past all the stuff that they say is bull shit or better yet, just say no to Zetatalk. But NNOOOO,
they can't stay away. It's either an unhealthy obsession or a paid job. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 486332
EXACTLY to the both of you!
The idiots that troll Nancy Lieder every single week for YEARS on end now (the same morons) are either very stupid and/or getting paid to do this.
Nothing else makes sense. Who would spend so damn much of their precious spare time on something they completely disagree with? Stupid is as stupid does ... just ask Circuit Breaker.
Keep on scrolling as the idiots talk to each other, spreading their oh-so lovely energies. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 88145 8/17/2008 8:19 PM | | Re: ZetaTalk LIVE Chat August 16 | Quote |
Lone Ranger, Professor Rabbit and the like: You used to really piss me off, disrupting and distracting my good read. Then, I learned to utilize my speed reading skills. When a hiccup occurs; i.e., when I run into you guys, now I just use my little ole finger to scoll right on by your posts. NO SENSE getting pissed off. You are paid to be here, just doing your job. I, then, can ignore you, as it is my choice to do so; thereby taking contol of the situation... I'm sure I'm not the only one to do just so! Quoting: Astro Annie
It must really piss you off that the debunkers continue to prove Nancy completely wrong time and time again. Why is it that you wish to follow someone with such a failed track record? How is it that she has you SO brainwashed that you cannot see her for the sham that she is? |
| User # 78/68 User ID: 471033 8/17/2008 8:20 PM
 | | Re: ZetaTalk LIVE Chat August 16 | Quote |
Did Russia declare war before engaging Georgian forces in Sth Ossettia? NO! Their actions are therefore suitably described as a Police Action.
Who's the moron, retard?
Who bloody cares? a declared war is a war! I apologize for thinking you reached moron, obviously you have a way to crawl before getting there.
Obviously you have a way to crawl before you're mature enough to admit you're wrong with good grace rather than post shit like this. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 483527
Yep!
Prof-Rabid gets his ass handed to him, yet again, and he doesn't have the grace to bow out when wrong. He's done this more times than one can count.
He's one of the pathetic ones. Imagine that? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 88145 8/17/2008 8:22 PM | | Re: ZetaTalk LIVE Chat August 16 | Quote |
Lone Ranger, Professor Rabbit and the like: You used to really piss me off, disrupting and distracting my good read. Then, I learned to utilize my speed reading skills. When a hiccup occurs; i.e., when I run into you guys, now I just use my little ole finger to scoll right on by your posts. NO SENSE getting pissed off. You are paid to be here, just doing your job. I, then, can ignore you, as it is my choice to do so; thereby taking contol of the situation... I'm sure I'm not the only one to do just so!
If they weren't being paid to be here, then they, too, could just scroll past all the stuff that they say is bull shit or better yet, just say no to Zetatalk. But NNOOOO,
they can't stay away. It's either an unhealthy obsession or a paid job.
EXACTLY to the both of you!
The idiots that troll Nancy Lieder every single week for YEARS on end now (the same morons) are either very stupid and/or getting paid to do this.
Nothing else makes sense. Who would spend so damn much of their precious spare time on something they completely disagree with? Stupid is as stupid does ... just ask Circuit Breaker.
Keep on scrolling as the idiots talk to each other, spreading their oh-so lovely energies. Quoting: User # 78/68
Luser...you still here? I though you had run away like your buddy Zetamax. But you STILL cannot point out even one single instance of an astronomical prediction or claim from all of Nancy's huge steaming pile of BS that YOU can defend, can you? What good are you to her?
Prove me wrong..I dare you. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 482470 8/17/2008 8:23 PM | | Re: ZetaTalk LIVE Chat August 16 | Quote |
Have events of last week, 50 ships from US UK and FR on way to Iran for blockade, and Russia invading Georgia changed the possibility of war?
SOZT
What occurred in Georgia was not a war, it was a police action, with the fault lying with Georgia. Georgia invaded a UN protectorate, and killed over 1,000 citizens, in an attempt to bully the protectorate back under their control. This is not being denied. All the posturing that has occurred since is only that, posturing. No one wants war with Russia.
EOZT
South Ossetia it is a UN protectorate? ROFLMAO
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 483065
Yup seems the Zeetoids need a lesson in politics,.... fancy telling LIEder its under UN protection!!! |
| Free Store. User ID: 143574 8/17/2008 8:30 PM
 | | Re: ZetaTalk LIVE Chat August 16 | Quote | tell us what is wrong..88145
[link to zetatalk.com]
2001 Predictions,
AIDS,
Airplane Crashes,
Albinos,
Animal Illness,
Antarctica Ice Fractures,
Area 51,
Assassinations,
Atlantic Rift,
Atlantis,
Attack on America,
Australian Artifacts,
Autism,
Bank Freeze,
Bank Supports,
Barter,
Bee Colony Collapse,
Bigfoot,
Big Bang/Black Holes,
Billy Meier,
Bin Laden,
Bird Flu Pandemic,
Blaming the Sun,
Booms,
Brazilian Roswell,
Brown Dwarf,
Bush Clone,
Bush Insanity,
Bush Decapitation,
Cataclysm Masks,
Cattle Mutilations,
Cell Evolution,
Centrifugal Force,
China as Investor,
China Threats,
Chinese Pyramids,
Chupacabras,
Clinton Demise,
Columbia Shuttle,
Comet Behavior,
Comet Origin,
Contradictory,
Cover-up Increase,
Cover-up Crack,
Crane Collapse, Crash at Kecksburg,
Crop Circles,
Crop Circle Video,
Crop Failures,
Dark Matter,
Deflecting Asteroids,
Deformed Frogs,
Devil's Triangle,
Dinosaur Dieoff,
Discovery Shuttle,
Dogon Tribe,
Domino Quakes,
Dr. Reed,
Early Man,
Earth Core,
Earth Hum,
Earth Plates,
Earth Plate Movement,
Earthquake Reports,
Earthquake Quickening,
Earth Torque,
Earth Twin,
Earth Wobble,
Easter Island,
Ebola Spread,
Economic Collapse,
Face on Mars,
Faked Terrorism,
Fisheries,
Flashes,
Flying Triangles,
Fossett Disappearance,
Frog Populations,
Giant Hominoids,
Global Warming,
Gonzales Resignation,
GPS Failure,
Great Pyramids,
Hale Bopp,
Hezbollah,
Hoagland,
High Tides,
Human Combustion,
Hurricanes, Atypical, Implants,
Iowa Floods,
Jet Stream Changes,
JFK,
John, Jr.,
JP Morgan,
Lebanon Invasion,
Illness,
Iran Invasion,
Iran Oil,
Loch Ness,
Magma Slam,
Magnetic Field,
Magnetic Whamy
Mammoth Lake,
Marilyn Monroe,
Mars Exploration,
Mars Water,
Martial Law,
May 5 2000,
Melting Poles,
Memphis Bridge,
Meteor Upticks,
Migrations,
Military Rebellion
Mississippi Bridges,
MJ12 Documents,
Moon Base,
Moon Cities,
Moon Swirls,
N America Bowing,
Neanderthal Man,
New Land,
Newman's Machine,
Newton's Laws,
Ocean Rebound,
Ocean Vortex,
Omnipotent Krlll,
Orbit Halt,
Outages,
Permafrost Melt,
Philadelphia Experiment,
Planet X,
Planet X Denial,
Planet X Gravity, Planet X Triangulation,
Pole Shift Equator,
Probe Behavior,
Red Rain Microbes,
Red Sea Stretch,
Repulsion Force,
Roswell,
Rotation,
Russian Overflights,
Santilli Tapes,
Satellite Failure,
Saudi Takeover,
Seaway Rip,
Sighting Aliens,
Slowing Rotation,
Social Security,
Solar Reversals,
Starvation Denial,
Stretch Zones,
Summer Snowstorms,
Sun Binary,
Sun Scald,
Suppressing Word,
Syria Strike,
Technology Claims,
Tornadoes,
Triangular UFO,
Troops Home,
Tunguska,
TWA800,
UFO Increase,
UK Food and Mouth,
Ummo,
Volcano Uptick,
Vote Fraud
Wandering Planets,
Warm Winters,
Waves, Monstrous,
Weather Changes,
Weather Swings,
Weather Predictions,
Whirlpools,
Work Camps,
Worldwide Infertility,
Yellowstone
needs updating..Alien/UFO cover up was real ....................
"Regard your neighbor's gain as your own gain; and regard your neighbor's loss as your own loss."
Tai Shang Kan Ying P'ien |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 482470 8/17/2008 8:33 PM | | Re: ZetaTalk LIVE Chat August 16 | Quote |
Thanks, Nancy,
I worship the Church of Latter Day Zeta Thugs. I've become service to self because of your shining example.
Glad you are a mod too. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 485518
Were you stoned... or pissed when you wrote this?? |
| picesnator User ID: 318318 8/17/2008 8:47 PM | | Re: ZetaTalk LIVE Chat August 16 | Quote | :33kermit8: |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 88145 8/17/2008 8:54 PM | | Re: ZetaTalk LIVE Chat August 16 | Quote |
tell us what is wrong..88145 Quoting: Free Store.
Nope. Tell you what. It is YOU who thinks she's accurate. YOU tell us exactly what she's been right about with supporting references. Let's see how you do. |
| Free Store. User ID: 143574 8/17/2008 8:59 PM
 | | Re: ZetaTalk LIVE Chat August 16 | Quote | No need for that I agree with Nancy
If you feel something is wrong point it out otherwise it's back to what I was doing :> ....................
"Regard your neighbor's gain as your own gain; and regard your neighbor's loss as your own loss."
Tai Shang Kan Ying P'ien |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 88145 8/17/2008 9:12 PM | | Re: ZetaTalk LIVE Chat August 16 | Quote |
No need for that I agree with Nancy
If you feel something is wrong point it out otherwise it's back to what I was doing :> Quoting: Free Store.
Your evasion of the challenge is duly noted. That fact is that you CANNOT find even one single astronomical claim or prediction from all of zt that you can defend. One day you will realize that and figure out that you have been HAD...lock, stock and barrel. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 486635 8/17/2008 9:52 PM | | Re: ZetaTalk LIVE Chat August 16 | Quote | Again Free Store trots out a list of supposed predictions that came true, but it is just a list of words, not predictions. Of course he isn't willing to state the prediction and give evidence other than Nancy's own site as proof that the prediction was made and that it did in fact happen as Nancy predicted. Of course he won't do that because she has never been right about anything. Even Sylvia Brown is right 30% of the time. |
| picesnator User ID: 318318 8/17/2008 10:06 PM | | Re: ZetaTalk LIVE Chat August 16 | Quote |
No need for that I agree with Nancy
If you feel something is wrong point it out otherwise it's back to what I was doing :>
Your evasion of the challenge is duly noted. That fact is that you CANNOT find even one single astronomical claim or prediction from all of zt that you can defend. One day you will realize that and figure out that you have been HAD...lock, stock and barrel. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 88145  |
| Free Store. User ID: 143574 8/17/2008 10:07 PM
 | | Re: ZetaTalk LIVE Chat August 16 | Quote |
Again Free Store trots out a list of supposed predictions that came true, but it is just a list of words, not predictions. Of course he isn't willing to state the prediction and give evidence other than Nancy's own site as proof that the prediction was made and that it did in fact happen as Nancy predicted. Of course he won't do that because she has never been right about anything. Even Sylvia Brown is right 30% of the time. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 486635
I don't have any beefs with Nancy or the Zetas
You do so keep battling
I can read and draw my conclusions
[link to zetatalk.com]
Till the science community starts stopping bullshitting each other and open up all their files
I'm going to look elsewhere beyond the threshold
Thats what I do ..can you tell me about crop circles and How they are made?
Big Foot, Annunaki, u know u can't so don't lean on me feeling insecure and it's my fault Lol ....................
"Regard your neighbor's gain as your own gain; and regard your neighbor's loss as your own loss."
Tai Shang Kan Ying P'ien |
| kataklyzm  Countdown to Poleshift User ID: 407693 8/17/2008 10:23 PM
 | | Re: ZetaTalk LIVE Chat August 16 | Quote | They deny alien presence.
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| kataklyzm  Countdown to Poleshift User ID: 407693 8/17/2008 10:24 PM
 | | Re: ZetaTalk LIVE Chat August 16 | Quote |
:sinkholeri: :debunking:  |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 486056 8/17/2008 10:39 PM | | Re: ZetaTalk LIVE Chat August 16 | Quote |
You call those predictions that came true? Most of them are Nancy's vain attempts to link bullshit she wrote with events.
She's wrong about plane crashes, barter economy, etc... |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 486056 8/17/2008 10:41 PM | | Re: ZetaTalk LIVE Chat August 16 | Quote |
Obviously you have nothing of substance to contribute except put a bunch of annoying graphics up. Do you have anything of substance to contribute or are you one of Nancy's true believers who accept what she says without question? |
| Free Store. User ID: 143574 8/17/2008 10:49 PM
 | | Re: ZetaTalk LIVE Chat August 16 | Quote |
tell us what is wrong..88145
[ link to zetatalk.com]
2001 Predictions,
AIDS,
Airplane Crashes,
You call those predictions that came true? Most of them are Nancy's vain attempts to link bullshit she wrote with events.
She's wrong about plane crashes, barter economy, etc... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 486056
Ok noted you find things wrong but not saying what
This link has all of the Zeta's predictions
[link to zetatalk.com]
What prediction is False? ....................
"Regard your neighbor's gain as your own gain; and regard your neighbor's loss as your own loss."
Tai Shang Kan Ying P'ien |
| Sam Danner  User ID: 444068 8/17/2008 11:30 PM
 | | Re: ZetaTalk LIVE Chat August 16 | Quote |
tell us what is wrong..88145
[ link to zetatalk.com]
2001 Predictions,
AIDS,
Airplane Crashes,
You call those predictions that came true? Most of them are Nancy's vain attempts to link bullshit she wrote with events.
She's wrong about plane crashes, barter economy, etc...
Ok noted you find things wrong but not saying what
This link has all of the Zeta's predictions
[ link to zetatalk.com]
What prediction is False? Quoting: Free Store.
To Ms. Lieber:
I am not ashamed to admit that you are leading many people astray in your crazy Zeta Ecentric talk. I would like to have a 3 way telephone discussion with you and CNN.
Sam Danner |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 486056 8/17/2008 11:35 PM | | Re: ZetaTalk LIVE Chat August 16 | Quote |
tell us what is wrong..88145
[ link to zetatalk.com]
2001 Predictions,
AIDS,
Airplane Crashes,
You call those predictions that came true? Most of them are Nancy's vain attempts to link bullshit she wrote with events.
She's wrong about plane crashes, barter economy, etc...
Ok noted you find things wrong but not saying what
This link has all of the Zeta's predictions
What prediction is False? Quoting: Free Store.
Mississippi Bridge Collapse - her claims are wrong. The bridge was overloaded and structurally suspect.
[link to ntsb.gov]
Airplanes crashes on the increase - wrong again.
I looked at some of her "examples" and not one of them is attributable to her claims.
--
Cell evolution:
[link to zetatalk.com]
Hasn't done it yet - they are only at stage 2 of a three stage process.
--
Crane collapse
[link to zetatalk.com]
Wrong again. Do you know how many cranes are in operation in the world at any one time? Literally, tens of thousands. A couple crane collapses out that number is statistically insignificant.
"Investigators have narrowed down the cause of the NYC crane collapse to a $50 strap of nylon fabric that snapped under the weight of a six-ton piece of steel. More details here."
[link to www.huffingtonpost.com]
--
Dark matter:
[link to zetatalk.com]
Wrong again.
[link to www.spacetelescope.org]
[link to www.mpa-garching.mpg.de]
To quote the above article:
"Most of the mass in the Universe (~85%) consists of dark matter"
--
I'd debunk more but unlike most of you bunkers, I have get some sleep before I go to work in the morning. |
| Free Store. User ID: 143574 8/17/2008 11:51 PM
 | | Re: ZetaTalk LIVE Chat August 16 | Quote |
[ link to zetatalk.com]
To Ms. Lieber:
I am not ashamed to admit that you are leading many people astray in your crazy Zeta Ecentric talk. I would like to have a 3 way telephone discussion with you and CNN.
Sam Danner Quoting: Sam Danner
Email Nancy from the above link ....................
"Regard your neighbor's gain as your own gain; and regard your neighbor's loss as your own loss."
Tai Shang Kan Ying P'ien |
| The Lone Ranger  Guardian of actual "Truth"!! User ID: 475827 8/18/2008 12:19 AM
 | | Re: ZetaTalk LIVE Chat August 16 | Quote |
Lone Ranger, Professor Rabbit and the like: You used to really piss me off, disrupting and distracting my good read. Then, I learned to utilize my speed reading skills. When a hiccup occurs; i.e., when I run into you guys, now I just use my little ole finger to scoll right on by your posts. NO SENSE getting pissed off. You are paid to be here, just doing your job. I, then, can ignore you, as it is my choice to do so; thereby taking contol of the situation... I'm sure I'm not the only one to do just so!
If they weren't being paid to be here, then they, too, could just scroll past all the stuff that they say is bull shit or better yet, just say no to Zetatalk. But NNOOOO,
they can't stay away. It's either an unhealthy obsession or a paid job. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 486332
.....I see the bunker believing dribblers have come out of the closet to play.
For the record....it takes a very FOOLISH person to get suckered in by The FAILED LIEDer.
But hey we will see ya few remaining nutters in 2012 for the next BIG NO SHOW!!
PS: Are you bunker clowns up for a wittle challenge maybe?
OMG!! SOON!! VERY SOON!!
WEEKS NOT MONTHS!! HAHA!!
     Life Is But A Dream!!
Therefore, "'Tis better to have dreamed and lost than never to have dreamed at all." |
| The Lone Ranger  Guardian of actual "Truth"!! User ID: 475827 8/18/2008 12:29 AM
 | | The Lone Ranger  Guardian of actual "Truth"!! User ID: 475827 8/18/2008 12:37 AM
 | | Re: ZetaTalk LIVE Chat August 16 | Quote |
There are quite a few people who took her words as anything other than entertainment and uprooted and screwed up their lives and their relationships because of what she claimed would happen in 2003. And she just shrugs off the hurt she caused. Quoting: DrPostman
So true. And it is Ms LIEDer's ignorance and arrogance in how she has treated those people with such disdain, especially those unfortunate enough to FALL for her 2003 doomsday HOAX, that she herself is worthy of the SAME disdain that she so eagerly dished out to others.
KARMA Eh Nancy......it's a bitch!!
 Life Is But A Dream!!
Therefore, "'Tis better to have dreamed and lost than never to have dreamed at all." |
| The Lone Ranger  Guardian of actual "Truth"!! User ID: 475827 8/18/2008 12:48 AM
 | | Re: ZetaTalk LIVE Chat August 16 | Quote |
Lone Ranger, Professor Rabbit and the like: You used to really piss me off, disrupting and distracting my good read. Then, I learned to utilize my speed reading skills. When a hiccup occurs; i.e., when I run into you guys, now I just use my little ole finger to scoll right on by your posts. NO SENSE getting pissed off. You are paid to be here, just doing your job. I, then, can ignore you, as it is my choice to do so; thereby taking contol of the situation... I'm sure I'm not the only one to do just so!
It must really piss you off that the debunkers continue to prove Nancy completely wrong time and time again. Why is it that you wish to follow someone with such a failed track record? How is it that she has you SO brainwashed that you cannot see her for the sham that she is? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 88145
Astro Annie is one of them "special" people.
Astro Annie is preparing herself for the BIG 2012 NO SHOW event. That's when Ms LIEDer will claim that her old Rogue Planet actually destroyed our planet earth during its flyby....but those silly silly ET zetas of hers decided to quickly zap us into another TIMELINE and then back again, without us even knowing, and so the fairytale continues. Life Is But A Dream!!
Therefore, "'Tis better to have dreamed and lost than never to have dreamed at all." |
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