He probably owns a football club. Thats without looking.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 459297
Dailymail says he owns properties in Moscow City. I heard that's a new business district in the middle of Moscow? To me he looks more British, 007 style. Way to go, Russians!
Anonymous Coward User ID: 459297 8/19/2008 4:20 PM
I bet you wouldn't be saying that if you had been born and lived in Latvia, or any other former Soviet slave state, your whole life.
It's real easy to spout nonsense like that when comfortably and safely living thousands of miles away from Russia's borders, isn't it?
Quoting: ESTLAND 487341
I live in the US slave state. Nightshade and company don't seem to understand that the US offers no alternative to Russia. The US kills its own. The US invades others. The US gets dupes to follow them and then discards them. Mushariff is the latest example. Georgian, Latvian peoples would be discarded when convienient also.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 444738 8/19/2008 4:23 PM
That what you want, Nightshade? You want the US and Russia to treat Latvians and Georgians alike as their personal football the kick back and forth? Georgia needs independence, not a new dependence.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 459297 8/19/2008 4:24 PM
Russia buzzing your airspace puts us in the defensive category.
How would Russia react if Britain was buzzing Russian airspace on a regular basis? We are too polite to do that. If there is a conflict it goes through the proper channels.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 267101 8/19/2008 4:24 PM
"Poland, by deploying [the interceptors], is exposing itself to a strike -- 100%," said Col. Gen. Anatoly Nogovitsyn, deputy chief of the general staff. Russian military doctrine permits the use of nuclear weapons "against the allies of countries having nuclear weapons if they in some way help them," he said.
wtf...seriously... peaceful Poland? Poland wants protection, Russia gets pissed because they want to defend themselves so they threaten to attack? This is so backwards...
Anonymous Coward User ID: 459297 8/19/2008 4:29 PM
latimes.com
[link to www.latimes.com]
From the Los Angeles Times
NEWS ANALYSIS
Eastern Europe gets jittery over Russia
Poland, Ukraine, Moldova and the Czech Republic are among those worried that they could be next after the invasion of Georgia.
By Tracy Wilkinson
Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
6:56 PM PDT, August 18, 2008
WARSAW — Signing a missile-defense deal with its good friend the United States has earned Poland nothing less than the threat of nuclear attack from Russia -- a threat that might not sound so empty these days, given Moscow's bloody battle with Georgia.
That conflict has plunged Europe into serious crisis, sending waves of jitters through Poland and other eastern nations, once-occupied parts of a Soviet Empire that some fear Russia may want to reconstruct. Russia's actions have also succeeded in driving deeper the wedge between Europe's East and West.
"Slowly, the Iron Curtain is being rebuilt," said Jacek Palasinski, veteran foreign affairs commentator for the Polish television network TVN24. "Europe will be divided again -- the lines are different, pushed farther east, but the division is the same. And dangerous."
Ukraine and Moldova are worried that they could be Russia's next targets. The Czech Republic, on the eve of the 40th anniversary of a Soviet invasion that crushed the Prague Spring reform movement, is fretting about history repeating itself. Many Eastern European nations, Poland chief among them, are eager to find safe haven, and have turned to Washington for guidance and reassurance and partnerships.
But the fact that the distracted and overly stretched Bush administration took little concrete action to protect Georgia from Russia's wrath must also give pause to nations that would throw their lot completely with the U.S. Is the strategic alliance that many Eastern European countries have been building with the U.S. since the fall of communism nearly two decades ago still worth the risks?
"What other options have you got?" said Zbigniew Lewicki, a political scientist at the University of Warsaw. "You cannot conduct foreign policy based on fear of Russia. We've been through this before. Ukraine knows it, the Baltic Republics know it.
"I don't think Russia is an immediate threat to us in the military sense. But they are a nasty neighbor," he added. "An alliance with the United States is a long-term investment."
Poland, a member of both NATO and the European Union, views the U.S. as its most reliable ally, far more trustworthy than Western European nations including France or Germany, which Polish President Lech Kaczynski accused over the weekend of being too timid on Russia.
With fighting escalating in Georgia last week, Poland and the U.S. signed a long-stalled agreement in which Poland accepted a U.S. missile interceptor base to be located on its territory. Washington maintains that the base is part of a system aimed at blocking "rogue" attacks by the likes of Iran, but Russia angrily insists the weapons are directed at it and has vowed to punish Poland.
The Cold-war era rhetoric hit a high late last week when a leading Russian general went so far as to suggest that Russia could retaliate with nuclear weapons.
"Poland, by deploying [the interceptors], is exposing itself to a strike -- 100%," said Col. Gen. Anatoly Nogovitsyn, deputy chief of the general staff. Russian military doctrine permits the use of nuclear weapons "against the allies of countries having nuclear weapons if they in some way help them," he said.
Negotiations over the U.S.-Poland deal had meandered for 18 months, and it is no coincidence that they came to a quick conclusion against the backdrop of bloodshed in Georgia (despite official denials to the contrary). The agreement allows Washington to assert its ability to have influence and presence in the region, and strengthens security measures for Warsaw. The bloodshed in Georgia quieted most domestic Polish opposition to the missile program, which had been persistent; a new poll Monday showed support had grown significantly.
Also key to reaching an accord was Poland's decision to change its key negotiator in early August, appointing a diplomat considered a loyalist to Prime Minister Donald Tusk. He replaced a negotiator who had been named by Tusk's predecessor, the twin brother of President Kaczynski, who was prime minister until his right-wing political party was dumped in elections 10 months ago.
The Poles then carried a new proposal to the Americans that included giving Poland an allotment of Patriot missiles as well as stating a "mutual commitment" to coming to each other's aid in case of attack and on a timetable more expedient than provided by the sometimes unwieldy North Atlantic Treaty Organization.
Ever mistrustful of Russian ambitions, Poles are of mixed minds about whether to panic at the invasion of Georgia and over how enthusiastic their allegiance to the U.S. should be. "We Poles have the right to feel threatened," Foreign Minister Radoslaw Sikorski told the Dziennik newspaper Monday.
Over the weekend, life here went on as usual. Along Warsaw's Krakowskie Przedmiescie street, a line of steeples and green domes, families went to church, pushed babies in strollers and paused for coffee. Jerzy Zabielski, an 82-year-old widower, was viewing an outdoor photo exhibit of scenes from the 1944 Warsaw Uprising against Nazi occupation, a war he fought in.
"I am not afraid of an invasion and I hate the Russians," said Zabielski, a retired engineer, dressed in a gray suit and wearing an armband in Polish national colors of red and white, to symbolize his war-vet status. "That empire is very aggressive, but we count on the word of the United States. We will be safe because the U.S. supports us."
Renata Kalisz, an office administrator, spoke in a similar vein.
"Only the U.S. can protect us, not Europe, and so there is no danger for Poland," Kalisz, 48, said as she emerged from St. John's Cathedral, a restored medieval church where a musical trio from the Polish mountains was performing loud ballads in dialect.
Palasinski, the television commentator, said Russia's threats against Poland remained a fact of life regardless of the intensity of Warsaw's friendship with the U.S. Cementing the alliance through the missile deal was the smartest thing Poland could do, he added, amid what is clearly a shifting balance of power and a turning point in European dynamics.
But others said the price for Poland's embrace of U.S. strategic interests like the missile program may be too high.
"One battery of Patriots will provide no security for Warsaw -- there are lots of threats, and not enough privileges," said Marek Siwiec, former head of the presidential National Security Office and a Socialist Party member of the European Parliament.
"The security of the U.S. is very important; if the U.S. feels safe, I feel safe. I understand that philosophy," Siwiec said. "But there are many collateral problems. When it's over, you will have your missiles, and we will have Russia in the neighborhood."
wilkinson@latimes.com
Quoting: Nightshade 09
Waaaaaaaa Waaaaaaa Waaaaaa
Anonymous Coward User ID: 459297 8/19/2008 4:33 PM
I think all the younger Russians want to do is get some british band music festivals in.
Its the older Soviet style who are rocking the boat. Its just too beligerent. I don't think those people are ever going to move aside. Putin is there for life.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 459297 8/19/2008 4:34 PM
The Kurland Kettle was the bloodiest and costliest Battles of Military History. The Russians lost more men there then at any other front line in history.
All because they wanted to invade the Baltic States and came up against Baltic divisions.
As I said we Balts want Peace! If Russians want that its up to THEM to make it happen.
Nightshade 09
Quoting: Nightshade 09
It was 32 German divisions and 1 Latvian division. How many German divisions do you have now?
latimes.com
[link to www.latimes.com]
From the Los Angeles Times
NEWS ANALYSIS
Eastern Europe gets jittery over Russia
Poland, Ukraine, Moldova and the Czech Republic are among those worried that they could be next after the invasion of Georgia.
By Tracy Wilkinson
Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
6:56 PM PDT, August 18, 2008
WARSAW — Signing a missile-defense deal with its good friend the United States has earned Poland nothing less than the threat of nuclear attack from Russia -- a threat that might not sound so empty these days, given Moscow's bloody battle with Georgia.
That conflict has plunged Europe into serious crisis, sending waves of jitters through Poland and other eastern nations, once-occupied parts of a Soviet Empire that some fear Russia may want to reconstruct. Russia's actions have also succeeded in driving deeper the wedge between Europe's East and West.
"Slowly, the Iron Curtain is being rebuilt," said Jacek Palasinski, veteran foreign affairs commentator for the Polish television network TVN24. "Europe will be divided again -- the lines are different, pushed farther east, but the division is the same. And dangerous."
Ukraine and Moldova are worried that they could be Russia's next targets. The Czech Republic, on the eve of the 40th anniversary of a Soviet invasion that crushed the Prague Spring reform movement, is fretting about history repeating itself. Many Eastern European nations, Poland chief among them, are eager to find safe haven, and have turned to Washington for guidance and reassurance and partnerships.
But the fact that the distracted and overly stretched Bush administration took little concrete action to protect Georgia from Russia's wrath must also give pause to nations that would throw their lot completely with the U.S. Is the strategic alliance that many Eastern European countries have been building with the U.S. since the fall of communism nearly two decades ago still worth the risks?
"What other options have you got?" said Zbigniew Lewicki, a political scientist at the University of Warsaw. "You cannot conduct foreign policy based on fear of Russia. We've been through this before. Ukraine knows it, the Baltic Republics know it.
"I don't think Russia is an immediate threat to us in the military sense. But they are a nasty neighbor," he added. "An alliance with the United States is a long-term investment."
Poland, a member of both NATO and the European Union, views the U.S. as its most reliable ally, far more trustworthy than Western European nations including France or Germany, which Polish President Lech Kaczynski accused over the weekend of being too timid on Russia.
With fighting escalating in Georgia last week, Poland and the U.S. signed a long-stalled agreement in which Poland accepted a U.S. missile interceptor base to be located on its territory. Washington maintains that the base is part of a system aimed at blocking "rogue" attacks by the likes of Iran, but Russia angrily insists the weapons are directed at it and has vowed to punish Poland.
The Cold-war era rhetoric hit a high late last week when a leading Russian general went so far as to suggest that Russia could retaliate with nuclear weapons.
"Poland, by deploying [the interceptors], is exposing itself to a strike -- 100%," said Col. Gen. Anatoly Nogovitsyn, deputy chief of the general staff. Russian military doctrine permits the use of nuclear weapons "against the allies of countries having nuclear weapons if they in some way help them," he said.
Negotiations over the U.S.-Poland deal had meandered for 18 months, and it is no coincidence that they came to a quick conclusion against the backdrop of bloodshed in Georgia (despite official denials to the contrary). The agreement allows Washington to assert its ability to have influence and presence in the region, and strengthens security measures for Warsaw. The bloodshed in Georgia quieted most domestic Polish opposition to the missile program, which had been persistent; a new poll Monday showed support had grown significantly.
Also key to reaching an accord was Poland's decision to change its key negotiator in early August, appointing a diplomat considered a loyalist to Prime Minister Donald Tusk. He replaced a negotiator who had been named by Tusk's predecessor, the twin brother of President Kaczynski, who was prime minister until his right-wing political party was dumped in elections 10 months ago.
The Poles then carried a new proposal to the Americans that included giving Poland an allotment of Patriot missiles as well as stating a "mutual commitment" to coming to each other's aid in case of attack and on a timetable more expedient than provided by the sometimes unwieldy North Atlantic Treaty Organization.
Ever mistrustful of Russian ambitions, Poles are of mixed minds about whether to panic at the invasion of Georgia and over how enthusiastic their allegiance to the U.S. should be. "We Poles have the right to feel threatened," Foreign Minister Radoslaw Sikorski told the Dziennik newspaper Monday.
Over the weekend, life here went on as usual. Along Warsaw's Krakowskie Przedmiescie street, a line of steeples and green domes, families went to church, pushed babies in strollers and paused for coffee. Jerzy Zabielski, an 82-year-old widower, was viewing an outdoor photo exhibit of scenes from the 1944 Warsaw Uprising against Nazi occupation, a war he fought in.
"I am not afraid of an invasion and I hate the Russians," said Zabielski, a retired engineer, dressed in a gray suit and wearing an armband in Polish national colors of red and white, to symbolize his war-vet status. "That empire is very aggressive, but we count on the word of the United States. We will be safe because the U.S. supports us."
Renata Kalisz, an office administrator, spoke in a similar vein.
"Only the U.S. can protect us, not Europe, and so there is no danger for Poland," Kalisz, 48, said as she emerged from St. John's Cathedral, a restored medieval church where a musical trio from the Polish mountains was performing loud ballads in dialect.
Palasinski, the television commentator, said Russia's threats against Poland remained a fact of life regardless of the intensity of Warsaw's friendship with the U.S. Cementing the alliance through the missile deal was the smartest thing Poland could do, he added, amid what is clearly a shifting balance of power and a turning point in European dynamics.
But others said the price for Poland's embrace of U.S. strategic interests like the missile program may be too high.
"One battery of Patriots will provide no security for Warsaw -- there are lots of threats, and not enough privileges," said Marek Siwiec, former head of the presidential National Security Office and a Socialist Party member of the European Parliament.
"The security of the U.S. is very important; if the U.S. feels safe, I feel safe. I understand that philosophy," Siwiec said. "But there are many collateral problems. When it's over, you will have your missiles, and we will have Russia in the neighborhood."
wilkinson@latimes.com
Quoting: Nightshade 09
-- threat of nuclear attack from Russia --
"You cannot conduct foreign policy based on fear of Russia.
We've been through this before.
Ukraine knows it, the Baltic Republics know it.
"I don't think Russia is an immediate threat to us in the military sense.
But they are a nasty neighbor,"
"I am not afraid of an invasion and I hate the Russians," said Zabielski,
"Slowly, the Iron Curtain is being rebuilt," From his Audacity of Hope; "Hi, I'm Barack Hussein Obama" "I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."
~ BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, FROM DREAMS OF MY FATHER: STORY OF RACE & INHERITANCE “OUR RAGE AT WHITE WORLD NEEDED NO OBJECT,
... IT COULD BE SWITCHED ON AND OFF AT OUR PLEASURE.”
___________________________
There is no thing endowed with life - from man, who is enslaving the elements, to the nimblest creature - in all this world that does not sway in its turn. Whenever action is born from force, though it be infinitesimal, the cosmic balance is upset and the universal motion results.
The Kremlin said its forces would pull back from Georgia's heartland by Friday to positions set out under a French-brokered peace plan, amid mounting Western criticism about the slowness of the troop withdrawal.
Washington said it had yet to see any serious pullout and accused Russia of targeting civilians and wanting to strangle Georgia.
"It's becoming more and more the outlaw in this conflict," U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said of Russia, escalating a stream of criticism from Washington.
"They intend and probably still do intend to strangle Georgia and its economy," she said in Brussels, where she attended a NATO meeting on the crisis.
In Gori, a strategic town on Georgia's main east-west highway, six Russian armored personnel carriers, three tanks and two other vehicles headed towards Russia on Tuesday in what Moscow said was the start of its promised withdrawal.
But nearby other Russian troops were seen digging trenches near artillery positions. In parts of western Georgia, far from the breakaway South Ossetia region at the heart of the conflict, Russian forces also showed no sign of preparing to depart.
Britain's Foreign Secretary David Miliband, in Tbilisi, said continued delays would seriously damage Moscow's reputation.
"With every commitment (to leave) and with every failure to live up to that commitment, the international pressure will grow (on Russia)," he told a joint news conference with Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili.
"A country relies on the word of its president being its bond," he said.
The U.S. Treasury said Russia had hurt its business climate with its decision to send troops into Georgia, which it called a "Cold War tactic."
The crisis erupted after Georgia sent its military on August 7-8 to try to recapture the rebel, Moscow-backed province of South Ossetia and Russia responded with overwhelming force.
MEDVEDEV PLEDGE
The Kremlin quoted Medvedev as telling French President Nicolas Sarkozy by telephone that most Russian forces would withdraw to Russia or to South Ossetia by August 22, leaving some troops in a buffer zone around the breakaway region.
Medvedev also told Sarkozy he agreed to the presence of observers from the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe in the buffer zone, a separate French statement said.
NATO ministers, meeting in emergency session in Brussels on Tuesday, agreed to suspend regular contacts with Russia. But they did not announce moves to speed up Georgian accession to the Western military alliance, as Tbilisi had hoped.
Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said NATO's response to the conflict was biased and accused the Atlantic alliance of siding with a "criminal regime" in Tbilisi.
At the United Nations, Western powers pushed for a Security Council resolution calling for an immediate Russian withdrawal from Georgia, but veto-holding Russian said it could not support it.
A draft text referred to "the territorial integrity of Georgia within its internationally recognized borders."
Russia has said the West should "forget about" Georgian territorial integrity because South Ossetia and Abkhazia, another breakaway, pro-Russian region, will not be able to live in one state with Georgia again.
Saakashvili, branded a dangerous madman by Moscow, reaffirmed his determination to resist what he sees as Russian attempts to bully Georgia back into Soviet-era subservience.
"The Russian occupation of my country is untenable, it cannot be sustained," he told reporters, vowing a campaign of "civilian, peaceful" resistance to the Russian troops.
But stepping up pressure on Tbilisi, Moscow closed its land border with Georgia to citizens who are not from the CIS, a grouping of former Soviet states that Georgia's parliament voted last week to leave.
The head of Russia's FSB domestic spy service, Alexander Bortnikov, ordered extra security to foil what he said was a plan by Georgian security to carry out "terrorist acts" inside Russia. Georgia dismissed the accusation as "nonsense."
Air, rail and sea links between Russia and its former Soviet vassal have already been cut. The virtual blockade has hurt Georgia's economy, which depends heavily on Russia.
Russian checkpoints now block the main east-west highway, a vital trade route which links Tbilisi with Turkey and Georgia's Black Sea ports.
Western powers have condemned Russia's response as disproportionate, while Moscow says it was necessary to protect Russian citizens and Russian peacekeepers in South Ossetia and prevent Georgia carrying out "genocide."
The Russian military campaign has been popular at home but has worsened already bad relations with Washington.
Russia's navy cancelled a September visit by a U.S. frigate in the latest sign of official displeasure. The move followed a decision last week by Washington to pull out of a four-nation naval exercise with Russia in the Pacific.
Rice said Russia had used its overwhelming force against a small neighbor and former Soviet republic.
"Well, that's what they've done -- wanton destruction of civilian infrastructure, reports of the use of munitions that should never be used against civilians, the harassment along highways of legitimate comers, the closing of the Port of Poti, which is now starting to affect neighboring states," she said.
(Writing by Gareth Jones, editing by Richard Meares) "In a time of deceit telling the truth is revolutionary act." - George Orwell
Goodness!!! eastern europe, u.s.,and russia, are getting ready to square off eh? Maybe it's time to call in the marines.The ones that are waiting in the kuiper belt.
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eastern europe, u.s.,and russia, are getting ready to square off eh? Maybe it's time to call in the marines.The ones that are waiting in the kuiper belt.
