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BREAKING: SPANAIR PLANE CRASH IN MADRID
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watchdog
User ID: 466967
8/20/2008 4:17 PM
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Find out if any anti-NWO types were aboard!
It's always the first thing I look for.
...he that increaseth knowledge, increaseth sorrow.
Ecclesiastes 1:18 |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 483065
8/20/2008 4:19 PM | | Re: BREAKING: SPANAIR PLANE CRASH IN MADRID | Quote |
I fear this is not appropriate to say, but to get it off my chest: living in Spain as a german I say, thinking about security for spaniards is a tabu. For many years now I would never board a spanish airline. If you'd only know what I have seen here! Spain is leading in Europe in labor and construction accidents. I have seen buildings collapse because of underground constructions... These people got to change!
Look here and think, this is the worse accident in the last 20 years, before saying something so stupid.
[ link to guides.limores.net]
Did you see some crane collapsing in Spain?....
Oh and btw if living in Spain its so dangerous why dont you go back to your fridge country?
I've seen 5 crane collapse here
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Sad
User ID: 488261
8/20/2008 4:20 PM | | Re: BREAKING: SPANAIR PLANE CRASH IN MADRID | Quote |
As I am a frequent flyer, I have often flown on MD 82s. They are very comfortable planes. Although only having engines at the back of the plane seems odd, the flight is very comfortable, silent and light. These planes climb very easily even when full and I have never felt unsafe during a flight on an MD 82. As a matter of fact, one of my staff flew in today from Las Palmas to Madrid on the plane that crashed later in its outgoing flight back to the Canary Islands. He told me on the phone this afternoon, that he was awaiting his connection to Lisbon when the crash happened. As i spoke to him, he was still in Madrid airport as his flight had been delayed and was quite understandably shocked by the events. He mentionned that the landing in Madrid was very hard indeed and that he had never felt such a slam or heard such noises in any previous landing on any flight. He is also a seasoned traveller. Something could have become damaged during landing that was not detected during the turnaround and later caused this disaster. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 488019
8/20/2008 5:12 PM | | Re: BREAKING: SPANAIR PLANE CRASH IN MADRID | Quote |
Breaking on CNN: a Spanish government minister says there are 153 confirmed dead. very sad indeed. |
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Jeanne
User ID: 488252
8/20/2008 5:40 PM | | Re: BREAKING: SPANAIR PLANE CRASH IN MADRID | Quote |
I fear this is not appropriate to say, but to get it off my chest: living in Spain as a german I say, thinking about security for spaniards is a tabu. For many years now I would never board a spanish airline. If you'd only know what I have seen here! Spain is leading in Europe in labor and construction accidents. I have seen buildings collapse because of underground constructions... These people got to change!
Look here and think, this is the worse accident in the last 20 years, before saying something so stupid.
[ link to guides.limores.net]
Did you see some crane collapsing in Spain?....
Oh and btw if living in Spain its so dangerous why dont you go back to your fridge country?
I've seen 5 crane collapse here
I have seen two cranes collapse in a big German town, security problems is not only a Spanish problem
LOL
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 483065
8/20/2008 5:42 PM | |
fireweed
User ID: 373282
8/20/2008 5:52 PM | | Re: BREAKING: SPANAIR PLANE CRASH IN MADRID | Quote |
Maybe the russians did it |
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childoflight
User ID: 488297
8/20/2008 5:53 PM | |
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 488019
8/20/2008 6:16 PM | | Re: BREAKING: SPANAIR PLANE CRASH IN MADRID | Quote |
As I am a frequent flyer, I have often flown on MD 82s. They are very comfortable planes. Although only having engines at the back of the plane seems odd, the flight is very comfortable, silent and light. These planes climb very easily even when full and I have never felt unsafe during a flight on an MD 82. As a matter of fact, one of my staff flew in today from Las Palmas to Madrid on the plane that crashed later in its outgoing flight back to the Canary Islands. He told me on the phone this afternoon, that he was awaiting his connection to Lisbon when the crash happened. As i spoke to him, he was still in Madrid airport as his flight had been delayed and was quite understandably shocked by the events. He mentionned that the landing in Madrid was very hard indeed and that he had never felt such a slam or heard such noises in any previous landing on any flight. He is also a seasoned traveller. Something could have become damaged during landing that was not detected during the turnaround and later caused this disaster. Quoting: Sad 488261
the initial reports, maybe 5 hours ago said that the plane tried to take off, had a problem went back to the terminal, was looked at, deemed safe to fly them tried to take off again. thats when the accident occurred. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 430839
8/20/2008 6:25 PM | | Re: BREAKING: SPANAIR PLANE CRASH IN MADRID | Quote |
I fear this is not appropriate to say, but to get it off my chest: living in Spain as a german I say, thinking about security for spaniards is a tabu. For many years now I would never board a spanish airline. If you'd only know what I have seen here! Spain is leading in Europe in labor and construction accidents. I have seen buildings collapse because of underground constructions... These people got to change!
Look here and think, this is the worse accident in the last 20 years, before saying something so stupid.
[ link to guides.limores.net]
Did you see some crane collapsing in Spain?....
Oh and btw if living in Spain its so dangerous why dont you go back to your fridge country?
I've seen 5 crane collapse here
I have seen two cranes collapse in a big German town, security problems is not only a Spanish problem
LOL
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Sad
User ID: 488317
8/20/2008 6:40 PM | | Re: BREAKING: SPANAIR PLANE CRASH IN MADRID | Quote |
Quote: "Javier Fernández García, coordinador de vuelos en el aeropuerto de Barajas, apunta a un fallo humano. "El accidente no ha sido fortuito. El avión iba a despegar y el piloto se ha dado cuenta de que tenía un fallo en el motor izquierdo y ha vuelto al parking. Estaban pensando cambiar de aparato y finalmente han autorizado su salida, para evitar más retraso. Pero ese avión ya había cancelado dos vuelos en días anteriores por problemas".
Javier Fernández García, flight coordinator in Madrid's Barajas Airport points to a human error. "The accident was not due to bad luck. The plane was getting reay for takeoff when the pilot realized he had a problem with the engine on the left side and returned to the gate. We believed there would be a plane change but eventually, its departure was authorised, in order to avoid further delays. This plane had however been grounded on previous days because of problems" |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 139190
8/20/2008 6:56 PM | | Re: BREAKING: SPANAIR PLANE CRASH IN MADRID | Quote |
I work for National Geographic Channel and have seen and promoted way too many episodes of Air Crash Investigation...
All I can say is: RIP.
Can only imagine the horror of the last few seconds.
Please send good wishes and thoughts to family, friends and survivors.
Tragic.
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 485447
8/20/2008 7:08 PM | | Re: BREAKING: SPANAIR PLANE CRASH IN MADRID | Quote |
wow. i just dreamt of a plane crash last night. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 488343
8/20/2008 7:23 PM | | Re: BREAKING: SPANAIR PLANE CRASH IN MADRID | Quote |
I work at this airport, T4 in information, Spainair have their check in desks in T2 and T3. T1,T2,T3 are separated from the T4, but many planes take off from the run ways of T4. The airlines have to much pressure from the passengers when they get a flight delayed, they have to give vouchers for food or hotels depending how long is the delayed, and now that some companies are in financial troubles, do not want to pay any of this things and are risking the flights to have any kind of mechanicals problems. This types of companies are gonna have their problems sooner or later, and maybe the one to follow begins with V, that haves to many delays lately. So now, when you have a delayed on your flight, be patient, maybe there is a trouble on your plane and they are fixing it, better be late than never. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 158794
8/20/2008 8:13 PM | | Re: BREAKING: SPANAIR PLANE CRASH IN MADRID | Quote |
This is scarey I alway thought spanair was safe as hell.
Gawd dam.! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 488369
8/20/2008 8:45 PM | | Re: BREAKING: SPANAIR PLANE CRASH IN MADRID | Quote |
they reckon there might av been bomb |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 488369
8/20/2008 8:47 PM | | Re: BREAKING: SPANAIR PLANE CRASH IN MADRID | Quote |
they reckon there might av been bomb Quoting: Anonymous Coward 488369
[link to edition.cnn.com] |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 487702
8/20/2008 9:32 PM | | Re: BREAKING: SPANAIR PLANE CRASH IN MADRID | Quote |
they reckon there might av been bomb Quoting: Anonymous Coward 488369
hard to tell but it was my first thought when I heard of it crashing. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 479600
8/20/2008 9:43 PM | |
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 158794
8/20/2008 10:06 PM | | Re: BREAKING: SPANAIR PLANE CRASH IN MADRID | Quote |
I know what happened it is another al quida attack-
LOOK --
Incompetence was the key factor that prevented hundreds of deaths when terrorists fired shoulder-launched rockets at an Israeli airliner on Thursday, a defence expert has told New Scientist.
A simultaneous suicide bomb attack on a tourist hotel in Mombasa, Kenya, has left 13 people dead and 15 injured. But if the two missiles fired at an Arkia 757 airliner as it took off from Mombasa airport had not narrowly missed, the tragic consequences of the coordinated attacks would have been far worse.
The plane was carrying 261 passengers and 10 crew, who would almost certainly all have died. The Al-Qaeda terrorist organisation is widely thought to have been responsible for both attacks.
The pilot of the 757 saw two plumes of smoke streak past the plane during take off. The missiles are reported to have been fired almost simultaneously from a jeep outside the airport.
Crude and unreliable |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 488433
8/20/2008 10:09 PM | | Re: BREAKING: SPANAIR PLANE CRASH IN MADRID | Quote |
How come it's always the left engine that catches fire on these things? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 272356
8/20/2008 11:12 PM | | Re: BREAKING: SPANAIR PLANE CRASH IN MADRID | Quote |
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 479600
Yeah |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 486056
8/20/2008 11:24 PM | | Re: BREAKING: SPANAIR PLANE CRASH IN MADRID | Quote |
hell, i din't even know Mcdonald duglas planes still existed in service. Its clear that they are unsafe rust buckets and need to be taken out of service immediately. I mean the concorde was much safer in comparison!!! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 487789
That's a load of bs from someone that doesn't know aviation. Age of an airframe has nothing to do with it's safety. It's all a matter of maintenance of the airframe, systems, and powerplants.
American Airlines still operates a large fleet of MD-80's as does Delta Airlines.
Douglas aircraft still in service:
DC-8's
DC-9's
MD-80's
MD-90's
DC-10's
MD-11's |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 294313
8/21/2008 1:49 AM | | Re: BREAKING: SPANAIR PLANE CRASH IN MADRID | Quote |
they reckon there might av been bomb
hard to tell but it was my first thought when I heard of it crashing. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 487702
Not likely since first take off was aborted, so something wasn't right prior to the accident or so it seems. So sad, many children killed,just going on vacation with their families to the Canary Islands. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 294313
8/21/2008 1:50 AM | | Re: BREAKING: SPANAIR PLANE CRASH IN MADRID | Quote |
How come it's always the left engine that catches fire on these things? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 488433
stats please? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 397975
8/21/2008 2:57 AM | | Re: BREAKING: SPANAIR PLANE CRASH IN MADRID | Quote |
Need more info. The initial reports are saying the first takeoff was aborted for an outside air temperature gauge. That sounds like they never started the takeoff roll on the first attempt, as you really wouldn't stop for an inoperative OAT reading once you advance the throttles to start the roll. Not to mention you wouldn't even be *looking* or concerned with OAT at that stage of flight. At any rate, aircraft with the powerplants mounted at the rear are not as prone to adverse yaw effects when they lose an engine as an aircraft with the powerplants mounted on the wings, like a 737 or 757 for example. Engine failure at/after V1 is a frequently practiced maneuver for any commercial pilot. So the actual accident seems more likely a catastrophic failure of the left engine than pilot error. In which case, the mechanical history of the airframe is your next most likely suspect. Like I said, need more info... |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 397975
8/21/2008 3:05 AM | |
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 397975
8/21/2008 3:12 AM | | Re: BREAKING: SPANAIR PLANE CRASH IN MADRID | Quote |
Speculating about the cause is almost absurd at this point, since we are mostly likely going to be wrong. However, my best guess is the engine let go in such a way that debris severed the primary flight controls. After the explosion, the flight path goes to the left, as you would expect from the asymmetrical thrust, but then almost immediately begins a constant roll to the right, until the point it impacts the ground. To me that screams total loss of control.
Again, guessing at this point is kind of absurd; we need more info. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 488414
8/21/2008 3:14 AM | | Re: BREAKING: SPANAIR PLANE CRASH IN MADRID | Quote |
The funnel in the vid, is water streaming down from a helicopter to douse the fires leading up to the plane. The ambulances were having a hard time reaching the crash sight as fuel spewed and ignited behind the still moving plane. |
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