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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 379467
8/20/2008 4:00 PM | | Re: Breaking!!!!!! Fox news reporting that Russia will respond with more than just a diplomatic response to U.S. missile shield | Quote |
what timespan are we talking about?
30 minutes or so,not long.
The Russians could deploy a nuclear armed sub 200 miles west of LA. Warning time 5 minutes. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 488226
Our silos and subs could be emptied in 2 minutes...not that it matters. |
| TX PATRIOT
User ID: 440969
8/20/2008 4:00 PM | | Re: Breaking!!!!!! Fox news reporting that Russia will respond with more than just a diplomatic response to U.S. missile shield | Quote |
None of this is about Poland. This is all about Iran and pipelines. Russia has tentative agreements with Iran over pipelines. They will retaliate over a preemptive strike on Iran. Russia doesn't need missles to take out Europe. They can just turn off the gas this winter. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 488119
Spot on. The numbers:
2007 OECD Europe Gross Imports of Natural Gas - Million Cubic Meters
From...
1. Russia = 130,499
2. Norway = 72,036
3. Netherlands = 53,419
4. Algeria = 51,602
5. Other Import Areas, which include Middle East = 33,150
Source: EIA
[link to www.eia.doe.gov]
No missiles needed.
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| a passing cloud
User ID: 222706
8/20/2008 4:03 PM | | Re: Breaking!!!!!! Fox news reporting that Russia will respond with more than just a diplomatic response to U.S. missile shield | Quote |
maybe the crystal children will save us
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 488218
8/20/2008 4:04 PM | | Re: Breaking!!!!!! Fox news reporting that Russia will respond with more than just a diplomatic response to U.S. missile shield | Quote |
The Russians could deploy a nuclear armed sub 200 miles west of LA. Warning time 5 minutes. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 488226
Or they could just blow there missiles up in there own silos, both scenarios "would end the world".
One would just take a little longer than the other. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 486549
8/20/2008 4:06 PM | | Re: Breaking!!!!!! Fox news reporting that Russia will respond with more than just a diplomatic response to U.S. missile shield | Quote |
Its fun knowing more than everyone else here and knowing you are all completely wrong. Enjoy acting like you know something. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 3908
8/20/2008 4:06 PM | | Re: Breaking!!!!!! Fox news reporting that Russia will respond with more than just a diplomatic response to U.S. missile shield | Quote |
Dumb Polacks, they brought this on themselves.
Dumb Poodle Rice, stupid Dubya, stupid Neocons. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 484867
8/20/2008 4:08 PM | | Re: Breaking!!!!!! Fox news reporting that Russia will respond with more than just a diplomatic response to U.S. missile shield | Quote |
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 18328
8/20/2008 4:09 PM | | Re: Breaking!!!!!! Fox news reporting that Russia will respond with more than just a diplomatic response to U.S. missile shield | Quote |
At least nothing has happened...yet.... |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 488116
8/20/2008 4:12 PM | | Re: Breaking!!!!!! Fox news reporting that Russia will respond with more than just a diplomatic response to U.S. missile shield | Quote |
Its fun knowing more than everyone else here and knowing you are all completely wrong. Enjoy acting like you know something. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 486549
when are you expecting the tectonic/meteoric fun to start then? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 448887
8/20/2008 4:14 PM | | Anonymous Coward
User ID: 488119
8/20/2008 4:21 PM | | Re: Breaking!!!!!! Fox news reporting that Russia will respond with more than just a diplomatic response to U.S. missile shield | Quote |
None of this is about Poland. This is all about Iran and pipelines. Russia has tentative agreements with Iran over pipelines. They will retaliate over a preemptive strike on Iran. Russia doesn't need missles to take out Europe. They can just turn off the gas this winter.
Spot on. The numbers:
2007 OECD Europe Gross Imports of Natural Gas - Million Cubic Meters
From...
1. Russia = 130,499
2. Norway = 72,036
3. Netherlands = 53,419
4. Algeria = 51,602
5. Other Import Areas, which include Middle East = 33,150
Source: EIA
[ link to www.eia.doe.gov]
No missiles needed.
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DGB fordert Strategie für Sozialtarife
Weiterführende Artikel
25 Prozent teurer
RWE erhöht Gaspreis
"Gewisse Unschärfe"
Sprecher korrigiert Merkel
CDU-Debatte
Atomkraft, aber nur ein bisschen
Manfred Fischedick bei n-tv.de
"Kostenargument zieht nicht"
Philipp Mißfelder bei n-tv.de
"Ohne Kernkraft geht es nicht"
Peak Oil
Wir haben ein Problem
Atomlobby statt Grüne
Wolf tritt aus
Sonntag, 27. Juli 2008
"Deutsche werden frieren müssen"
DGB erwartet eiskalten Winter
Dem DGB zufolge werden im kommenden Winter viele Menschen in Deutschland frieren müssen, weil sie die Heizkosten nicht mehr bezahlen können. "Es droht der erste Winter seit langem zu werden, in dem Zehntausende Deutsche frieren müssen", sagte der DGB-Vorsitzende Michael Sommer der "Bild am Sonntag". Aufgrund der drastisch gestiegenen Energiepreise könnten viele Mieter, Wohnungs- und Hauseigentümer ihre Kosten für Heizöl, Gas oder Kohle nicht mehr bezahlen. Deshalb müsse die Große Koalition schnell handeln.
"Frieren ist genauso schlimm wie hungern", sagte der DGB-Chef. "Das kann keine Regierung hinnehmen." Deshalb müsse es eine Gesamtstrategie für die Einführung von Sozialtarifen bis zum Winter geben. "Sinnvoll wären vernünftig gestaltete Sozialtarife für den häuslichen Bedarf an Heizung und Strom, die gleichzeitig Anreiz zum Sparen gegen." So könnten die Versorger verpflichtet werden, eine festgelegte Menge an Strom und Gas zu einem niedrigeren Preis an jeden Haushalt abzugeben. Finanziert werden solle dies aus den rasant gestiegenen Gewinnen der Energiekonzerne.
Ruf nach Sozialtarifen
Schon Anfang Juni hatte Umweltminister Sigmar Gabriel (SPD) erklärt, der rasante Ölpreis-Anstieg müsse für Geringverdiener durch Sozialtarife abgefedert werden. In anderen europäischen Staaten gebe es bereits niedrige oder kostenfreie Tarife für ärmere Haushalte bis zu einem bestimmten Energieverbrauch. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 488116
8/20/2008 4:23 PM | | Re: Breaking!!!!!! Fox news reporting that Russia will respond with more than just a diplomatic response to U.S. missile shield | Quote |
yeah ^^ what he just said!
:shrug: |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 472846
8/20/2008 4:25 PM | | Re: Breaking!!!!!! Fox news reporting that Russia will respond with more than just a diplomatic response to U.S. missile shield | Quote |
 Never seen an article that small. |
| TX PATRIOT
User ID: 440969
8/20/2008 4:27 PM | | Re: Breaking!!!!!! Fox news reporting that Russia will respond with more than just a diplomatic response to U.S. missile shield | Quote |
Für rund einen Euro ist derzeit der Liter Heizöl zu bekommen.
Explodierende Energiepreise
DGB fordert Strategie für Sozialtarife
Weiterführende Artikel
25 Prozent teurer
RWE erhöht Gaspreis
"Gewisse Unschärfe"
Sprecher korrigiert Merkel
CDU-Debatte
Atomkraft, aber nur ein bisschen
Manfred Fischedick bei n-tv.de
"Kostenargument zieht nicht"
Philipp Mißfelder bei n-tv.de
"Ohne Kernkraft geht es nicht"
Peak Oil
Wir haben ein Problem
Atomlobby statt Grüne
Wolf tritt aus
Sonntag, 27. Juli 2008
"Deutsche werden frieren müssen"
DGB erwartet eiskalten Winter
Dem DGB zufolge werden im kommenden Winter viele Menschen in Deutschland frieren müssen, weil sie die Heizkosten nicht mehr bezahlen können. "Es droht der erste Winter seit langem zu werden, in dem Zehntausende Deutsche frieren müssen", sagte der DGB-Vorsitzende Michael Sommer der "Bild am Sonntag". Aufgrund der drastisch gestiegenen Energiepreise könnten viele Mieter, Wohnungs- und Hauseigentümer ihre Kosten für Heizöl, Gas oder Kohle nicht mehr bezahlen. Deshalb müsse die Große Koalition schnell handeln.
"Frieren ist genauso schlimm wie hungern", sagte der DGB-Chef. "Das kann keine Regierung hinnehmen." Deshalb müsse es eine Gesamtstrategie für die Einführung von Sozialtarifen bis zum Winter geben. "Sinnvoll wären vernünftig gestaltete Sozialtarife für den häuslichen Bedarf an Heizung und Strom, die gleichzeitig Anreiz zum Sparen gegen." So könnten die Versorger verpflichtet werden, eine festgelegte Menge an Strom und Gas zu einem niedrigeren Preis an jeden Haushalt abzugeben. Finanziert werden solle dies aus den rasant gestiegenen Gewinnen der Energiekonzerne.
Ruf nach Sozialtarifen
Schon Anfang Juni hatte Umweltminister Sigmar Gabriel (SPD) erklärt, der rasante Ölpreis-Anstieg müsse für Geringverdiener durch Sozialtarife abgefedert werden. In anderen europäischen Staaten gebe es bereits niedrige oder kostenfreie Tarife für ärmere Haushalte bis zu einem bestimmten Energieverbrauch. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 488119
Rough translation per Free Translation.com:
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Sunday, 27th of July 2008 "German will have to freeze" DGB expects icy winter
According to the DGB many persons in Germany will have to freeze in the coming winter because they can pay the heating costs no longer. "It threatens the first winter for some time to become, in the ten thousand German freeze must", said the DGB chairperson Michael summer of the "pictures on Sunday". Based on the drastically increased energy prices, many tenants, dwellings and homeowner could pay its costs for heating oil, gas or coal no longer. Therefore the large coalition quickly had to act.
"Freeze is just as badly how hunger", said the DGB boss. "That can no government accept." Therefore there had to be a total strategy for the introduction from social tariffs to the winter. "Meaningfully would be sensibly formed social tariffs for the domestic need for heating and current, that simultaneously stimulus for saving against." So the providers could be obligated to deliver a determined quantity at current and gas to a lower price at every household. Financed become should this out of the rapidly increased profits the energy groups.
Call after social tariffs
Already beginning of June had explained environment minister Sigmar Gabriel (SPD), the rapid oil price climb would have to be cushioned for slight earner by social tariffs. In other European countries, there are already low or free of cost tariffs for poorer households to a certain energy consumption. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 380553
8/20/2008 4:27 PM | | Re: Breaking!!!!!! Fox news reporting that Russia will respond with more than just a diplomatic response to U.S. missile shield | Quote |
Quite the stretch to equate putting a few Patriot Missile batteries in Poland with the Cuban Missile Crisis.
Cuba was in receipt of nuclear capable missiles, they were being deployed. Launch facilities were built.
The Polish anti-ICBM thing is years away from completion.
Nothing at all in common with Cuba crisis.
NO ANTI-ICBM MISSILES in Poland. No bases, no construction, no gear even en route! Not for years to come!
You guys who run around trying to appease the bully will wind up dead anyway. Your fear ought to be rechanneled into Righteous Indignation. If you're American, your tax money was sent into Former USSR by the Trillions! We paid them to reform and be peaceful.
You still think that a mechanized division is just positioned 300 miles from base, w/full support and infantry on happenstance? Costs Many Millions per hour to keep those assets on deployed alert. Russia just "got lucky"? Just happened to be waiting for trouble "should it occur on 8/7/08 just beyond the tunnel leading to So. Ossetia border? Why that place out of the other 10,000 miles of border with other "troublespots", many that are/were more "worrisome"?
Think there is any appeasing an enemy that masses force 100x the opponent? Think the enemy, Russia, had anything less than the complete ruination of Georgia in mind from the beginning?
Oh well, Bush & Pooty are just playing their roles, reading their lines.
Shit Happens; but not on this scale because of an "accident".
Time to wake up and figure out that unless you TAKE ACTION to be ready to preserve your life, you could just be one of the useless eaters that the Al Gore Corps want to be rid of... Any way it happens, as long as about 95% of the earth die off, is alright with these nutjob elitists.
Hell is coming to breakfast. I just hope you are somewhere else when it knocks...
But isn't everything the fault of the U.S.? As I read most of the posts here it would seem that most college graduates think that way... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 379467
This isn't exactly the most scientific sample of opinion.
: )
It's not right to assume that Russia is "good" and the US is "bad" though I know that my tone often implies this. The reason is that the US is on the strategic offensive right now and looks like an aggressor while Russia has on the defensive and looks like an innocent in comparison.
I wouldn't want to live in Russia. But I do live in an America that has invaded two countries on pretty flimsy pretexts in the past 7 years and is actively provoking Russia to an end that has not properly explained to the American people. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 488119
8/20/2008 4:28 PM | | Re: Breaking!!!!!! Fox news reporting that Russia will respond with more than just a diplomatic response to U.S. missile shield | Quote |
None of this is about Poland. This is all about Iran and pipelines. Russia has tentative agreements with Iran over pipelines. They will retaliate over a preemptive strike on Iran. Russia doesn't need missles to take out Europe. They can just turn off the gas this winter.
Spot on. The numbers:
2007 OECD Europe Gross Imports of Natural Gas - Million Cubic Meters
From...
1. Russia = 130,499
2. Norway = 72,036
3. Netherlands = 53,419
4. Algeria = 51,602
5. Other Import Areas, which include Middle East = 33,150
Source: EIA
[ link to www.eia.doe.gov]
No missiles needed.
.
Für rund einen Euro ist derzeit der Liter Heizöl zu bekommen.
Explodierende Energiepreise
DGB fordert Strategie für Sozialtarife
Weiterführende Artikel
25 Prozent teurer
RWE erhöht Gaspreis
"Gewisse Unschärfe"
Sprecher korrigiert Merkel
CDU-Debatte
Atomkraft, aber nur ein bisschen
Manfred Fischedick bei n-tv.de
"Kostenargument zieht nicht"
Philipp Mißfelder bei n-tv.de
"Ohne Kernkraft geht es nicht"
Peak Oil
Wir haben ein Problem
Atomlobby statt Grüne
Wolf tritt aus
Sonntag, 27. Juli 2008
"Deutsche werden frieren müssen"
DGB erwartet eiskalten Winter
Dem DGB zufolge werden im kommenden Winter viele Menschen in Deutschland frieren müssen, weil sie die Heizkosten nicht mehr bezahlen können. "Es droht der erste Winter seit langem zu werden, in dem Zehntausende Deutsche frieren müssen", sagte der DGB-Vorsitzende Michael Sommer der "Bild am Sonntag". Aufgrund der drastisch gestiegenen Energiepreise könnten viele Mieter, Wohnungs- und Hauseigentümer ihre Kosten für Heizöl, Gas oder Kohle nicht mehr bezahlen. Deshalb müsse die Große Koalition schnell handeln.
"Frieren ist genauso schlimm wie hungern", sagte der DGB-Chef. "Das kann keine Regierung hinnehmen." Deshalb müsse es eine Gesamtstrategie für die Einführung von Sozialtarifen bis zum Winter geben. "Sinnvoll wären vernünftig gestaltete Sozialtarife für den häuslichen Bedarf an Heizung und Strom, die gleichzeitig Anreiz zum Sparen gegen." So könnten die Versorger verpflichtet werden, eine festgelegte Menge an Strom und Gas zu einem niedrigeren Preis an jeden Haushalt abzugeben. Finanziert werden solle dies aus den rasant gestiegenen Gewinnen der Energiekonzerne.
Ruf nach Sozialtarifen
Schon Anfang Juni hatte Umweltminister Sigmar Gabriel (SPD) erklärt, der rasante Ölpreis-Anstieg müsse für Geringverdiener durch Sozialtarife abgefedert werden. In anderen europäischen Staaten gebe es bereits niedrige oder kostenfreie Tarife für ärmere Haushalte bis zu einem bestimmten Energieverbrauch.
Translation: German » English
Sunday, 27 July 2008
"Germans must be freeze"
DGB expected cold winter
According to the DGB in the coming winter many people in Germany must freeze because they no longer pay for heating. "It threatens the first winter for a long time to be in the tens of thousands of German freeze," said the DGB chairman Michael Sommer "Bild am Sonntag". Because of the drastic rise in energy prices, many renters, housing and homeowners their costs for oil, gas or coal not pay more. Therefore, the grand coalition must act quickly.
"Freezing is just as bad as hunger," said DGB chief. "The government can not tolerate." Therefore it should be an overall strategy for the introduction of social tariffs until winter. Sinn full would be reasonable rates for the social demand for home heating and electricity, while the incentive to save against. " This would allow utilities are required to a specified quantity of electricity and gas at a lower price to every household must. This should be financed from the rapidly rising profits of energy corporations.
Reputation for social tariffs
At the beginning of June, Environment Minister Sigmar Gabriel (SPD) explains the rapid rise in oil prices should be for low tariffs by social abgefedert. In other European countries, there is already free or low tariffs for poorer households to a specific energy consumption. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 380553
8/20/2008 4:30 PM | | Re: Breaking!!!!!! Fox news reporting that Russia will respond with more than just a diplomatic response to U.S. missile shield | Quote |
Its fun knowing more than everyone else here and knowing you are all completely wrong. Enjoy acting like you know something. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 486549
I know that's leading to some circular logic. |
| TX PATRIOT
User ID: 440969
8/20/2008 4:31 PM | | Re: Breaking!!!!!! Fox news reporting that Russia will respond with more than just a diplomatic response to U.S. missile shield | Quote |
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 472846
LOL....they obviously don't get paid by the word.
. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 468860
8/20/2008 4:31 PM | | Re: Breaking!!!!!! Fox news reporting that Russia will respond with more than just a diplomatic response to U.S. missile shield | Quote |
No link yet just heard it on Fox news. Anyone that can get a link it would be appreciated. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 453926
This is it. And so it begins.... |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 488119
8/20/2008 4:33 PM | | Re: Breaking!!!!!! Fox news reporting that Russia will respond with more than just a diplomatic response to U.S. missile shield | Quote |
Russia-Georgia conflict raises worries over oil and gas pipelines
Russia’s invasion of neighboring Georgia has raised doubts about the security of oil and gas pipelines that cross through the former Soviet republic and the wisdom of further investment in the transport lines.
Several important lines pass through Georgia, and for Europeans and others, the routes represent a crucial counterbalance to Russia’s control of energy resources.
The foray also put an emphatic stamp on Russia’s growing influence over the region’s natural resources and, by proxy, over Europe.
The pipelines, supplying about 1% of the world’s daily oil needs, have not been damaged by the fighting, but the prospect of that led pipeline part-owner BP to shut down one of the oil lines as a precaution Tuesday. A second oil export line has been out of commission since last week because of a fire in Turkey.
“The Russians have clearly demonstrated their military capability of getting very close to the pipelines,” said Edward Chow, an energy expert at Washington’s Center for Strategic and International Studies. “And they also sent the Black Sea fleet off the Georgian coast, so they also have demonstrated that they can blockade Georgia anytime they want.”
The pipelines begin in Azerbaijan and pass through Georgian territory en route to ports on the Black Sea and the Mediterranean Sea, where tankers take the crude mostly to Western Europe.
Chow worries about whether transit lines through Georgia will remain secure in the long run and whether additional foreign investment would be safe. Russia is an energy giant on two continents through the state-controlled Gazprom, its largest company.
Gazprom produces 85% of the nation’s natural gas, controls 17% of the world's reserves and is a major supplier to countries across Central Asia and Europe.
Its former chairman, Dmitry Medvedev, was elected Russia’s president in March.
For Europeans and others, the routes through Georgia represent a crucial counterbalance to Russia’s control over pipelines and energy resources. Some hoped expansion projects throughout Georgia might further loosen Russia’s grip over European energy supplies.
Those projects were not far along, Chow said, but in light of Russia’s actions, “investors would have to reconsider how attractive those projects are.”
James L. Williams, publisher of the Energy Economist newsletter, was blunt about the possible repercussions.
“For Russia, control of Georgia and the pipeline would restore much of its influence over many of the former satellites of the U.S.S.R.,” he said. “It would have the clear benefit of increasing Russia's energy chokehold on Europe.”
Amy Myers Jaffe, an energy fellow at Rice University’s Baker Institute, believes an assertive Russia flush with oil and natural gas revenue can exercise its power by controlling crucial resources. “When the Russians are trying to claw back their power, energy is the major lever in their pursuit to do so,” she said.
However, political and economic analyst Natalia Leshchenko of consultant Global Insight believes the pipeline issue has been overblown.
“The Georgian president brought in the whole pipeline issue to probably send more worries to the West, and especially to the European consumers, to draw more attention to the conflict,” she said. “It’s not that we should ignore it, but it's certainly not a cause to panic.”
So far, energy markets have shrugged off the risk. The cost of oil fell again Tuesday, dipping $1.44 to $113.01 a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange. The closing price was more than $34 below the peak posted on July 11.
The most prominent among the existing pipelines is the 1,000-mile Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan line, which can carry up to 1 million barrels of crude a day from the Azerbaijani coast on the Caspian Sea, through Georgia and Turkey to the port of Ceyhan on the Mediterranean Sea.
The BTC is owned by a consortium of companies. It was expected to carry more than 900,000 barrels of oil a day this month for export, bypassing routes that would have taken the oil through Russia and subjected it to that country’s transit fees.
Deliveries through the BTC pipeline were halted Aug. 4 after a fire along the Turkish portion of the route. A Turkish separatist group claimed responsibility for the incident.
BP also shut down a smaller line, the Western Route Export pipeline, which was recently overhauled. It can carry up to 160,000 barrels of oil a day from Baku on the Caspian Sea in Azerbaijan to the Georgian Black Sea port of Supsa.
Also as a precaution, BP also shut down the South Caucasus gas pipeline, which transports natural gas from Baku through Georgia into Turkey. That gas is not exported.
(Source: LA Times) |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 430047
8/20/2008 4:33 PM | | Re: Breaking!!!!!! Fox news reporting that Russia will respond with more than just a diplomatic response to U.S. missile shield | Quote |
Gimme a break, Germans and Europeans for that matter are still raiding our slumping housing market down here in Florida.
The Euro is kicking ass, and they will probably be moving here for good if the locals stop blowing in those with expired green cards. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 472846
8/20/2008 4:36 PM | | Re: Breaking!!!!!! Fox news reporting that Russia will respond with more than just a diplomatic response to U.S. missile shield | Quote |
And so it begins... |
| H
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8/20/2008 4:38 PM | | Re: Breaking!!!!!! Fox news reporting that Russia will respond with more than just a diplomatic response to U.S. missile shield | Quote |
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WARSAW, Poland (AP) -- The United States and Poland signed a deal Wednesday to place a U.S. missile defense base just 115 miles from Russia - a move followed swiftly by a new warning from Moscow of a possible military response.
For many Poles - whose country has been a staunch U.S. ally in Iraq and Afghanistan - the accord represented what they believed would be a guarantee of safety for themselves in the face of a newly assertive Russia.
Negotiators sealed the deal last week against a backdrop of Russian military action in Georgia, a former Soviet republic turned U.S. ally, that has worried former Soviet satellites across eastern Europe. It prompted Moscow's sharpest rhetoric yet over the system, which it contends is aimed at Russia despite Washington's insistence the site is purely defensive.
After Wednesday's signing, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice dismissed any suggestion the 10 missile defense interceptors - which Washington says are intended to defend Europe and the U.S. from the possible threat of long-distance missiles from Iran - represent a threat to Russia.
"Missile defense, of course, is aimed at no one," Rice said. "It is in our defense that we do this."
She denounced an earlier threat from a Russian general to target NATO member Poland, possibly even with nuclear weapons, for accepting the facility.
Such comments "border on the bizarre, frankly," Rice told reporters in Warsaw. "The Russians are losing their credibility," she said, adding that Moscow would pay a price for its actions in Georgia, though she did not specify how.
"It's also the case that when you threaten Poland, you perhaps forget that it is not 1988," Rice said. "It's 2008 and the United States has a ... firm treaty guarantee to defend Poland's territory as if it was the territory of the United States. So it's probably not wise to throw these threats around."
Hours after the signing, Russia's Foreign Ministry warned that Moscow's response would go beyond diplomacy. The system to be based in Poland lacks "any target other than Russian intercontinental ballistic missiles," it said in a statement, contending the U.S. system "will be broadened and modernized."
"In this case Russia will be forced to react, and not only through diplomatic" channels, it said without elaborating.
The Center for Arms Control and Non-Proliferation in Washington criticized the deal, saying the U.S. missile interceptors are technologically unproven and will only confirm Russian suspicions the system is directed against Moscow and not at Iran.
The deal follows an earlier agreement to place the second component of the missile defense shield - a radar tracking system - in the neighboring Czech Republic, another formerly communist country now in NATO.
"We have achieved our main goals, which means that our country and the United States will be more secure," Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk told Rice after the signing.
Many Poles agreed. "After what happened in Georgia, I believe that this is good protection for us," said Kazimierz Dziuba, 49, a hospital worker in Warsaw.
The Georgian conflict "made the Americans agree to this deal sooner because the Russians are getting too bossy," Dziuba said.
Not all Poles were happy, however.
Alina Kesek, an 82-year-old retired office clerk who lived through World War II, when Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union divided Poland between them, and then experienced four decades of Moscow-dominated communist rule, said the Patriot missiles were a "kind of provocation" toward Russia.
"This means a threat from the Russian side," said Kesek. "I am not very pleased with this deal."
Some residents in the northern Polish town of Redzikowo, where the missile defense facility will be located, fear it may expose them to retaliatory attacks or other dangers.
Along with the main deal, the two nations signed a so-called "declaration on strategic cooperation," which is to deepen their military and political partnership.
It includes a mutual commitment to come to each other's assistance immediately if one is under attack - enhancing existing obligations both have as NATO members.
The declaration also was accompanied by a promise from the U.S. to help modernize Poland's armed forces and to place a battery of Patriot missiles there by 2012.
Rice said the deal "will help both the alliance and Poland and the United States respond to the coming threats."
Poland and the United States spent a year and a half in formal talks, which snagged in the final phase on Poland's demands for the Patriot missiles and other points.
However, the deepening U.S.-Polish friendship dominated Wednesday's proceedings.
"In troubled times the most important thing is to have friends," Rice said. "But it is more important to have friends who share your values and your aspirations and your dreams. And Poland and the United States are those kind of friends."
Approval for the missile defense sites is still needed from the Czech and Polish parliaments. No date has been set for lawmakers in Warsaw to vote, but the deal enjoys the support of the largest opposition party as well as of the government. |
| HACK
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8/20/2008 4:41 PM | | Re: Breaking!!!!!! Fox news reporting that Russia will respond with more than just a diplomatic response to U.S. missile shield | Quote |
No wonder why HAWK is bugg'n out!! Must of got wind of this on the backside.  |
| Anonymous Coward
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8/20/2008 4:43 PM | | Re: Breaking!!!!!! Fox news reporting that Russia will respond with more than just a diplomatic response to U.S. missile shield | Quote |
miles away from nuclear war eh?
Did anyone else hear mentioned on the news that Russia is referring to some planned response as being code name "Scorched Earth"?
Look up "scorched earth" on babel fish in Russian to translate.
Do you realize what scorched earth means??? |
| Anonymous Coward
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8/20/2008 4:45 PM | | Re: Breaking!!!!!! Fox news reporting that Russia will respond with more than just a diplomatic response to U.S. missile shield | Quote |
miles away from nuclear war eh?
Did anyone else hear mentioned on the news that Russia is referring to some planned response as being code name "Scorched Earth"?
Look up "scorched earth" on babel fish in Russian to translate.
Do you realize what scorched earth means??? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 458794
No do tell. DRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR |
| Anonymous Coward
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8/20/2008 4:47 PM | | Re: Breaking!!!!!! Fox news reporting that Russia will respond with more than just a diplomatic response to U.S. missile shield | Quote |
And so it begins... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 472846
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| wizard
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8/20/2008 4:47 PM | | Re: Breaking!!!!!! Fox news reporting that Russia will respond with more than just a diplomatic response to U.S. missile shield | Quote |
it might lead to new cold war or ground war by proxie i dought they would go nuke it stricly defence they all know its suicide for the planet its the terrorist countrys you have to fear they hold the world hostage with the treat of lighting a couple off thats why the big boys are going lazer takes them out in mid flight no chain reaction big defence so your offence can hit hard |
| Anonymous Coward
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8/20/2008 4:49 PM | | Re: Breaking!!!!!! Fox news reporting that Russia will respond with more than just a diplomatic response to U.S. missile shield | Quote |
Scorched earth:
[link to en.wikipedia.org] |
| Lester 
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8/20/2008 4:51 PM | | Re: Breaking!!!!!! Fox news reporting that Russia will respond with more than just a diplomatic response to U.S. missile shield | Quote |
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This from another board, NOT TB2K by the way........
My take........Alaska and Haarp would be first on their list.
would say Alaska then Washington State would be the first strike. We are in missile range but who knows.
Russia also keeps toying with American air space around Alaska.
They would like to see NY, LA and probably SF go up in smoke too.
ALaska?
The Russians wouldn't waste any missiles other than to take out military installations and HAARP.
Easy move for them with ships ground troops mop up
eh, I figure you decapitate the government, destroy the military and take out a couple of cities then some enterprising young leftist politician will come out of the woodwork and sign the country over to the commies if that's what they want.
No need for a messy invasion. Besides, only the Chinese and Indians could come up with enough soldiers to even attempt an invasion.
excuse, but wtf do you think the US MILITARY is going to be doing when Russia allegedly conducts all of these operations? "
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If this happens, they'll wait a year before an invasion occurs..........
Above from the "esteemed" Doomologist, Dr Fungcool from HangingTree, er thertreeofnotsomuchliberty.com.
Yes, college students/studenten seem to think the USA is the bad guy...
Too bad they weren't homeschooled and taught reasoning, logic and that there was history before google & internet.
IF your anxiety level is up there these days, because of this situation; don't ignore it!
There will be nuclear war and America will be devastated.
But, this is in accordance with God's Will.
About all you can do is try to be ready.
No atheists in fox holes.
Download and read Nuclear War Survival Skills, by Cresson Kearny (ki4u.com). Gather your gear and get a plan together.
Wasting your time wondering who is at fault is simply stupid. You are betting your life that this won't end terribly; but what if it does? |
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