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BREAKING UPDATE!!!!!! SPINE CHILLING NEWS ABOUT THE MADRID PLANE CRASH

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Anonymous Coward
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8/21/2008 12:42 PM
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A SON, CALLED DONOVAN, OF ONE OF THE VICTIMS OF THE MADRID PLANE CRASH HAS TOLD THE PRESS THE FOLLOWING:

ALLEGEDLY HIS FATHER SENT A TEXT MESSAGE TO HIS WIFE, THIS PERSONS MOTHER , THE VICTIMS WIFE, FROM THE PLANE TELLING HER THAT THE PILOT ALLEGEDLY TOLD THE PASSENGERS HE DIDNT WANT TO TAKE OFF WITH THAT PLANE BUT THAT ALLEDGEDLY HE WAS TOLD TO TAKE OFF. THIS AFTER THE REVISION THAT HE REQUESTED.


but theres more..

HE ALSO TOLD THE PRESS THAT HIS MOTHER THEN SENT A TEXT MESSAGE TO HIS FATHER TELLING HIM TO GET OFF THE PLANE IMMEDIATELY.
THE FATHER REPLIED AFTER SOME MOMENTS THAT HE AND OTHERS WERE TRYING TO GET OFF THE PLANE BUT THAT THEY COULDNT , THEY WERENT ALLOWED TO.

damned

HE ALLEGEDLY HAS THE TEXT MESSAGES FROM HIS DEAD FATHER TO PROVE THIS AND HAS SHOWN THEM TO THE PRESS.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 486414
8/21/2008 12:43 PM
Re: BREAKING UPDATE!!!!!! SPINE CHILLING NEWS ABOUT THE MADRID PLANE CRASHQuote

Link??
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 255811 (OP)
8/21/2008 12:44 PM
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ANTENA 3 TELEVISION.
theresident SubscriberModerator
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8/21/2008 12:46 PM
Re: BREAKING UPDATE!!!!!! SPINE CHILLING NEWS ABOUT THE MADRID PLANE CRASHQuote

Passenger 'forced by crew to stay on crash flight'

Cabin crew aboard the the ill-fated Spanair flight which crashed on take-off at Madrid airport yesterday refused to let a passenger off despite earlier technical problems with the aircraft, the man's family said today.

The chilling accusation came to light as the budget airline defended its decision to clear the MD-82 jet for take-off despite aborting an earlier attempt because a gauge showed an overheating air-intake valve. The device was switched off and the flight went ahead.

Of the 172 people aboard flight JK5022, only 19 survived. Witnesses said the plane's left-hand engine burst into flame as it lifted off the runway and the aircraft broke up and crashed back to earth in flames.

The plane is designed to be able to take off even if one engine fails, but aviation sources in Spain suggested today that the burning engine might have spun round and thrown deadly debris into the aircraft's rudder and right-hand engine. Another hypothesis emerging today was that the plane deployed its reverse-thruster, normally used at touchdown.

As relatives of those aboard the plane waited for news of their loved ones, their anger has focused on why Spanair allowed the pilot to take off despite the aircraft's problems. Javier Mendoza, deputy director of operations for the company, told a press conference that all standard procedures had been followed.

The story of the passenger forced to remain aboard emerged at the Madrid hotel taken over by the airline to host relatives of the victims.

Spanish media said that an unidentified woman at the hotel told reporters that her husband had texted her at 12.30 pm - almost two hours before the accident - saying: "My love, there's a problem with the plane."

She phoned him back and told him to get off the flight, but he said: "They won't let me off."

The woman's son, who was with her at the hotel, said that the cabin crew had told the man to get back in his seat.

Relatives of the passengers were arriving today at a Madrid convention centre, which also used as a makeshift morgue after the al-Qaeda train bombing of March 2003. Only 37 of the bodies have been identified so far.

"I’d kill the bastard who did this," one man shouted at a television crew as he drove past the building.

Priests and psychologists comforted distraught relatives overnight at Barajas airport and at the Las Palmas airport on Gran Canaria, where flight JK5022 was headed. The plane was operating on a codeshare with Lufthansa although only four Germans were aboard the flight, a Bavarian family whose fate remains unclear.

According to a list published by Spanair, the vast majority of the passengers were Spanish, but officials said that there were also passengers from Sweden, the Netherlands and Chile.

The plane was 15 years old, bought by Spanair from Korean Air in 1999, and was overhauled in January.

As three days of national mourning were declared, Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero, the Prime Minsiter, interrupted his holidays in southern Spain to fly to the scene. The Spanish Olympic Committee said the Spanish flag would fly at half mast in the Olympic village in Beijing.

Spanair, owned by the Scandinavian airline SAS, has been struggling with high fuel prices and tough competition. It announced it was laying off 1,062 staff and cutting routes after losing some £40 million in the first half of the year.

Air safety experts pointed out that Europe had been free of major plane disasters in recent years but take-offs still posed the greatest risk for flight crews.

The MD-82 should be able to lift off with only one engine, and pilots are trained for such eventualities, but one hypothesis that emerged today was that the plane's thrust reversers, normally only used for when it touches down, could have been deployed. That would explain why the pilots were unable to control the craft despite reaching normal take-off speed.

In May 1991, a Lauda Air Boeing 767 crashed in Thailand with the loss of 223 lives when the thrust reverser automatically went into operation.

"Automatic thrust reverser deployment will be one of the things that air crash investigators will be looking at," said Dr Guy Gratton of the school of engineering and design at Brunel University in West London.

[link to www.timesonline.co.uk]
Sireen-reborn Subscriber
User ID: 472239
8/21/2008 12:46 PM
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I hope to god his mother saves those messages!!! That's HUGELY fucked up if true.

Damn I hate this world sometimes!
anything after 'but' is bullshit!

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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 435027
8/21/2008 12:47 PM
Re: BREAKING UPDATE!!!!!! SPINE CHILLING NEWS ABOUT THE MADRID PLANE CRASHQuote

Okay, if this is true, then there was a presence on board that did not allow uneasy passengers to disembark and apparently ordered the pilot to take off even though he did not want to. This is weird.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 488754
8/21/2008 1:30 PM
Re: BREAKING UPDATE!!!!!! SPINE CHILLING NEWS ABOUT THE MADRID PLANE CRASHQuote

Check out after second 54, this is so strange
[link to es.youtube.com]
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 488754
8/21/2008 1:32 PM
Re: BREAKING UPDATE!!!!!! SPINE CHILLING NEWS ABOUT THE MADRID PLANE CRASHQuote

Anonymous Coward
User ID: 380499
8/21/2008 1:33 PM
Re: BREAKING UPDATE!!!!!! SPINE CHILLING NEWS ABOUT THE MADRID PLANE CRASHQuote

I wonder if there was anyone of importance on the plane.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 488722
8/21/2008 1:34 PM
Re: BREAKING UPDATE!!!!!! SPINE CHILLING NEWS ABOUT THE MADRID PLANE CRASHQuote

Okay, if this is true, then there was a presence on board that did not allow uneasy passengers to disembark and apparently ordered the pilot to take off even though he did not want to. This is weird.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 435027


If the pilot did not want to fly the craft for safety reasons, he would have notified his company dispatcher. That is probably the person who gave him the order to fly. I'm sure he was torn whether he should walk off......but they would have just sent in another relief captain......at least maybe, passengers would have had a chance to disembark, FWIW.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 488724
8/21/2008 1:34 PM
Re: BREAKING UPDATE!!!!!! SPINE CHILLING NEWS ABOUT THE MADRID PLANE CRASHQuote

Check out after second 54, this is so strange
[link to es.youtube.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 488754

spooky little tornado
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 433558
8/21/2008 1:35 PM
Re: BREAKING UPDATE!!!!!! SPINE CHILLING NEWS ABOUT THE MADRID PLANE CRASHQuote

There's going to be a lot of new millionaires, I predict.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 488760
8/21/2008 1:36 PM
Re: BREAKING UPDATE!!!!!! SPINE CHILLING NEWS ABOUT THE MADRID PLANE CRASHQuote

There were no actual planes involved.

This was all Government PsyOps by Spain!

hiding
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 380499
8/21/2008 1:36 PM
Re: BREAKING UPDATE!!!!!! SPINE CHILLING NEWS ABOUT THE MADRID PLANE CRASHQuote

Check out after second 54, this is so strange
[link to es.youtube.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 488754


What in the heck was that?
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 488733
8/21/2008 1:37 PM
Re: BREAKING UPDATE!!!!!! SPINE CHILLING NEWS ABOUT THE MADRID PLANE CRASHQuote

SUE THE BASTARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

bump
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 488733
8/21/2008 1:41 PM
Re: BREAKING UPDATE!!!!!! SPINE CHILLING NEWS ABOUT THE MADRID PLANE CRASHQuote

I wonder if there was anyone of importance on the plane.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 380499


Here's the passenger list: [link to www.spanair.com]
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 488624
8/21/2008 1:42 PM
Re: BREAKING UPDATE!!!!!! SPINE CHILLING NEWS ABOUT THE MADRID PLANE CRASHQuote

It was clearly a spy agency operation, all experts say, the incident is very "strange".............
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 433558
8/21/2008 1:42 PM
Re: BREAKING UPDATE!!!!!! SPINE CHILLING NEWS ABOUT THE MADRID PLANE CRASHQuote

Why didn't the pilot just have the balls to say no? That's what I would have done.
LS Subscriber
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User ID: 437351
8/21/2008 1:43 PM
Re: BREAKING UPDATE!!!!!! SPINE CHILLING NEWS ABOUT THE MADRID PLANE CRASHQuote

Check out after second 54, this is so strange
[link to es.youtube.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 488754

nothing more then a dust devil which is very common in warm arid areas.
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 488611
8/21/2008 1:43 PM
Re: BREAKING UPDATE!!!!!! SPINE CHILLING NEWS ABOUT THE MADRID PLANE CRASHQuote

Passenger 'forced by crew to stay on crash flight'

Cabin crew aboard the the ill-fated Spanair flight which crashed on take-off at Madrid airport yesterday refused to let a passenger off despite earlier technical problems with the aircraft, the man's family said today.

The chilling accusation came to light as the budget airline defended its decision to clear the MD-82 jet for take-off despite aborting an earlier attempt because a gauge showed an overheating air-intake valve. The device was switched off and the flight went ahead.

Of the 172 people aboard flight JK5022, only 19 survived. Witnesses said the plane's left-hand engine burst into flame as it lifted off the runway and the aircraft broke up and crashed back to earth in flames.

The plane is designed to be able to take off even if one engine fails, but aviation sources in Spain suggested today that the burning engine might have spun round and thrown deadly debris into the aircraft's rudder and right-hand engine. Another hypothesis emerging today was that the plane deployed its reverse-thruster, normally used at touchdown.

As relatives of those aboard the plane waited for news of their loved ones, their anger has focused on why Spanair allowed the pilot to take off despite the aircraft's problems. Javier Mendoza, deputy director of operations for the company, told a press conference that all standard procedures had been followed.

The story of the passenger forced to remain aboard emerged at the Madrid hotel taken over by the airline to host relatives of the victims.

Spanish media said that an unidentified woman at the hotel told reporters that her husband had texted her at 12.30 pm - almost two hours before the accident - saying: "My love, there's a problem with the plane."

She phoned him back and told him to get off the flight, but he said: "They won't let me off."

The woman's son, who was with her at the hotel, said that the cabin crew had told the man to get back in his seat.

Relatives of the passengers were arriving today at a Madrid convention centre, which also used as a makeshift morgue after the al-Qaeda train bombing of March 2003. Only 37 of the bodies have been identified so far.

"I�d kill the bastard who did this," one man shouted at a television crew as he drove past the building.

Priests and psychologists comforted distraught relatives overnight at Barajas airport and at the Las Palmas airport on Gran Canaria, where flight JK5022 was headed. The plane was operating on a codeshare with Lufthansa although only four Germans were aboard the flight, a Bavarian family whose fate remains unclear.

According to a list published by Spanair, the vast majority of the passengers were Spanish, but officials said that there were also passengers from Sweden, the Netherlands and Chile.

The plane was 15 years old, bought by Spanair from Korean Air in 1999, and was overhauled in January.

As three days of national mourning were declared, Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero, the Prime Minsiter, interrupted his holidays in southern Spain to fly to the scene. The Spanish Olympic Committee said the Spanish flag would fly at half mast in the Olympic village in Beijing.

Spanair, owned by the Scandinavian airline SAS, has been struggling with high fuel prices and tough competition. It announced it was laying off 1,062 staff and cutting routes after losing some £40 million in the first half of the year.

Air safety experts pointed out that Europe had been free of major plane disasters in recent years but take-offs still posed the greatest risk for flight crews.

The MD-82 should be able to lift off with only one engine, and pilots are trained for such eventualities, but one hypothesis that emerged today was that the plane's thrust reversers, normally only used for when it touches down, could have been deployed. That would explain why the pilots were unable to control the craft despite reaching normal take-off speed.

In May 1991, a Lauda Air Boeing 767 crashed in Thailand with the loss of 223 lives when the thrust reverser automatically went into operation.

"Automatic thrust reverser deployment will be one of the things that air crash investigators will be looking at," said Dr Guy Gratton of the school of engineering and design at Brunel University in West London.

[link to www.timesonline.co.uk]
 Quoting: theresident


TPTB WANTED ANOTHER SUMMER SACRIFICE TV SPECTACLE
THEY HAVE THEM EVERY SUMMER.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 457869
8/21/2008 1:50 PM
Re: BREAKING UPDATE!!!!!! SPINE CHILLING NEWS ABOUT THE MADRID PLANE CRASHQuote

Check out after second 54, this is so strange
[link to es.youtube.com]

nothing more then a dust devil which is very common in warm arid areas.
 Quoting: LS


There were helicopters with buckets, I think it was water from the bucket falling onto the burning ground.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 488754
8/21/2008 1:51 PM
Re: BREAKING UPDATE!!!!!! SPINE CHILLING NEWS ABOUT THE MADRID PLANE CRASHQuote

Quite a coincidence, you can hardly see a tornado in Spain.
The day before the UK gov states clearly:

"It is dangerous traveling to Spain because there could be terrorist attacks"
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 488754
8/21/2008 1:54 PM
Re: BREAKING UPDATE!!!!!! SPINE CHILLING NEWS ABOUT THE MADRID PLANE CRASHQuote

I forgot, it was the SECOND try to take off with the SAME plane. I can imagine the people trying to run away from that plane before the second take off.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 380168
8/21/2008 1:56 PM
Re: BREAKING UPDATE!!!!!! SPINE CHILLING NEWS ABOUT THE MADRID PLANE CRASHQuote

Check out after second 54, this is so strange
[link to es.youtube.com]


What in the heck was that?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 380499


That's the seasoned actor, Yama, the god of death, who has appeared in many hit movies including "Final Destination" (I, II and III) and "Meet Joe Black." He's just sweeping the runway to see if there's anyone he missed.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 380499
8/21/2008 1:57 PM
Re: BREAKING UPDATE!!!!!! SPINE CHILLING NEWS ABOUT THE MADRID PLANE CRASHQuote

I wonder if there was anyone of importance on the plane.


Here's the passenger list: [link to www.spanair.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 488733



Thanks for the passenger list.

I see someone else has posted a thread with the list. Maybe someone in here will recognize a name.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 488754
8/21/2008 2:01 PM
Re: BREAKING UPDATE!!!!!! SPINE CHILLING NEWS ABOUT THE MADRID PLANE CRASHQuote

This stuff is nuts:
[link to es.noticias.yahoo.com]

Check the head-line before it goes down, I'll translate it for you:

"Atentado Barajas" : "Barajas Terrorist Attack"

WTF?

It is even stated in the URL:
tpl-atentado-barajas-el-rey-muestra-su-c-81d487b.html

atentado-barajas

What does yahoo news know?
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 471491
8/21/2008 2:10 PM
Re: BREAKING UPDATE!!!!!! SPINE CHILLING NEWS ABOUT THE MADRID PLANE CRASHQuote

bsflag
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 488733
8/21/2008 2:11 PM
Re: BREAKING UPDATE!!!!!! SPINE CHILLING NEWS ABOUT THE MADRID PLANE CRASHQuote

This stuff is nuts:
[link to es.noticias.yahoo.com]

Check the head-line before it goes down, I'll translate it for you:

"Atentado Barajas" : "Barajas Terrorist Attack"

WTF?

It is even stated in the URL:
tpl-atentado-barajas-el-rey-muestra-su-c-81d487b.html

atentado-barajas

What does yahoo news know?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 488754


The news title has been corrected in the original site: [link to www.europapress.es]

(the link still has the word "atentado" though)

"Yahoo Noticias" is not updated.
Sireen-reborn Subscriber
User ID: 472239
8/21/2008 2:15 PM
Re: BREAKING UPDATE!!!!!! SPINE CHILLING NEWS ABOUT THE MADRID PLANE CRASHQuote

Check out after second 54, this is so strange
[link to es.youtube.com]


What in the heck was that?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 380499



Looks like a dust devil! WEIRD!
anything after 'but' is bullshit!

[link to www.myspace.com]
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 488724
8/21/2008 2:21 PM
Re: BREAKING UPDATE!!!!!! SPINE CHILLING NEWS ABOUT THE MADRID PLANE CRASHQuote

its a diversion from ww3 and market crash.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 171544
8/21/2008 2:27 PM
Re: BREAKING UPDATE!!!!!! SPINE CHILLING NEWS ABOUT THE MADRID PLANE CRASHQuote

A whirlwind when no other wind in blowing in the entire area!
Check out after second 54, this is so strange
[link to es.youtube.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 488754
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