BREAKING: RUSSIA SCALES DOWN GEORGIAN DEATH TOLL FIGURES::: ONLY 133 DIED IN SOUTH OSSETIA!!!!!! | |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 488649 United Kingdom 08/21/2008 10:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: BREAKING: RUSSIA SCALES DOWN GEORGIAN DEATH TOLL FIGURES::: ONLY 133 DIED IN SOUTH OSSETIA!!!!!! How is 133 the magic number? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 483120And do you really actually believe the BBC? For all we know Russia could be telling the pure truth. It is the go sign. It has nothing to do with who says what or if they are telling the truth or not, it is the fact that, that number is in the media. It does not really matter how it gets there. |
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Nightshade 09 (OP) User ID: 489387 United Kingdom 08/22/2008 05:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: BREAKING: RUSSIA SCALES DOWN GEORGIAN DEATH TOLL FIGURES::: ONLY 133 DIED IN SOUTH OSSETIA!!!!!! 133 is rather high but know that within any military engagement there is bound to be collatural damage civilian death (in my opinion one is enough.) The whole justification the Russians gave for invasion of Georiga was that Georgian Forces were committing genocide in the South O. That Georgians were slaughtering innocent Russians. Russia claimed that South O's capital was LEVEL bombed by Georiga (pr oven false by AP reporters and Human Rights Watch), then they claimed 1600- 2000 South O's murdered by Georigan Forces. Human Rights Watch reported they found 30-40. Now the Russians themselves are forced to admit there were only 133 dead. There entire justification for the Invasion of Georgia has now been pr oven to be a lie. Russia has no moral ground to stay in Georiga any longer! Yet, this WHOLE thing wasn't about South O, it wasn't about protecting lives. It was about land grabbing, about forcing Georiga to remain in Russia and to crush the dreams and wishes of the Georigan People to became apart of the Free and Democratic West. Nightshade 09 "In a time of deceit telling the truth is revolutionary act." - George Orwell |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 487818 United States 08/22/2008 05:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: BREAKING: RUSSIA SCALES DOWN GEORGIAN DEATH TOLL FIGURES::: ONLY 133 DIED IN SOUTH OSSETIA!!!!!! ... | Print version AFP Photo / Natalia Kolesnikova August 21, 2008, 0:12 War killed 1,492 Ossetia ns - local officials Officials in South Ossetia have given a figure for the number of people killed during Georgia's failed military offensive to win control of the region. Authorities in the capital Tskhinvali say 1,492 Ossetia ns lost their lives in the conflict. According to Anatoly Nogovitsyn, Deputy Chief of Staff ... full news conference click here. Meanwhile, more than 5,000 people from South Ossetia are still in refugee camps in the south of Russia. Approximately 30,000 ... Jewish neighbourhood trashed It was not only South Ossetia ns who suffered as a result of Georgia's attack on Tskhinvali. An entire Jewish neighbourhood ... Russia's Emergencies Ministry says it needs the help of local people to rebuild South Ossetia 's devastated infrastructure. Progress is being made and restoration work is in full swing, with ... again. [link to www.russiatoday.com] [link to www.russiatoday.com] |
Ashkenazi Girl User ID: 482675 United States 08/22/2008 06:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: BREAKING: RUSSIA SCALES DOWN GEORGIAN DEATH TOLL FIGURES::: ONLY 133 DIED IN SOUTH OSSETIA!!!!!! War killed 1,492 Ossetians - local officials Quoting: Anonymous Coward 487818... | Print version AFP Photo / Natalia Kolesnikova August 21, 2008, 0:12 War killed 1,492 Ossetia ns - local officials Officials in South Ossetia have given a figure for the number of people killed during Georgia's failed military offensive to win control of the region. Authorities in the capital Tskhinvali say 1,492 Ossetia ns lost their lives in the conflict. According to Anatoly Nogovitsyn, Deputy Chief of Staff ... full news conference click here. Meanwhile, more than 5,000 people from South Ossetia are still in refugee camps in the south of Russia. Approximately 30,000 ... Jewish neighbourhood trashed It was not only South Ossetia ns who suffered as a result of Georgia's attack on Tskhinvali. An entire Jewish neighbourhood ... Russia's Emergencies Ministry says it needs the help of local people to rebuild South Ossetia 's devastated infrastructure. Progress is being made and restoration work is in full swing, with ... again. [link to www.russiatoday.com] [link to www.russiatoday.com] i rest my case... |
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Ashkenazi Girl User ID: 482675 United States 08/22/2008 06:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: BREAKING: RUSSIA SCALES DOWN GEORGIAN DEATH TOLL FIGURES::: ONLY 133 DIED IN SOUTH OSSETIA!!!!!! and even though Russia claims they completely withdrew, Quoting: Anonymous Coward 489239we all know better than to believe it. "we", would that be all the people in your head? no, it'll be those crotch crickets in your pants |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 488414 Mexico 08/22/2008 06:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: BREAKING: RUSSIA SCALES DOWN GEORGIAN DEATH TOLL FIGURES::: ONLY 133 DIED IN SOUTH OSSETIA!!!!!! and even though Russia claims they completely withdrew, Quoting: Ashkenazi Girlwe all know better than to believe it. Russia hasnt claimed complete withdraw. A column of T-92 (?) tanks withdrew back to Russia, according to intl observers. Much of the surge troops have withdrawn from Georgia proper, Russia says. But they also say that troops are enforcing a buffer zone inside Georgia proper, but Tbisi says it doesnt recognize no stinkin buffer zone,,,, |
Ashkenazi Girl User ID: 482675 United States 08/22/2008 06:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: BREAKING: RUSSIA SCALES DOWN GEORGIAN DEATH TOLL FIGURES::: ONLY 133 DIED IN SOUTH OSSETIA!!!!!! and even though Russia claims they completely withdrew, Quoting: Anonymous Coward 488414we all know better than to believe it. Russia hasnt claimed complete withdraw. A column of T-92 (?) tanks withdrew back to Russia, according to intl observers. Much of the surge troops have withdrawn from Georgia proper, Russia says. But they also say that troops are enforcing a buffer zone inside Georgia proper, but Tbisi says it doesnt recognize no stinkin buffer zone,,,, Russia says withdrawal complete [link to news.bbc.co.uk] Russia says it has fulfilled a pledge to withdraw its combat troops from Georgia in line with a ceasefire deal. But Moscow says it intends to maintain a peacekeeping presence of 2,500 troops in "buffer zones" around the breakaway regions of Abkhazia and South Ossetia. The Georgian government has denounced the move as unacceptable. The White House said checkpoints and buffer zones were "definitely not part of the agreement", and called for an immediate withdrawal of Russian troops. The "buffer zones" extend far beyond any pre-existing security zones, and the BBC's diplomatic correspondent, Jonathan Marcus, says Western diplomats fear that Moscow is determined to define the parameters of the interim security arrangements in its own terms. (story continues...) |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 488414 Mexico 08/22/2008 06:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: BREAKING: RUSSIA SCALES DOWN GEORGIAN DEATH TOLL FIGURES::: ONLY 133 DIED IN SOUTH OSSETIA!!!!!! and even though Russia claims they completely withdrew, Quoting: Ashkenazi Girlwe all know better than to believe it. Russia hasnt claimed complete withdraw. A column of T-92 (?) tanks withdrew back to Russia, according to intl observers. Much of the surge troops have withdrawn from Georgia proper, Russia says. But they also say that troops are enforcing a buffer zone inside Georgia proper, but Tbisi says it doesnt recognize no stinkin buffer zone,,,, Russia says withdrawal complete [link to news.bbc.co.uk] Russia says it has fulfilled a pledge to withdraw its combat troops from Georgia in line with a ceasefire deal. But Moscow says it intends to maintain a peacekeeping presence of 2,500 troops in "buffer zones" around the breakaway regions of Abkhazia and South Ossetia. The Georgian government has denounced the move as unacceptable. The White House said checkpoints and buffer zones were "definitely not part of the agreement", and called for an immediate withdrawal of Russian troops. The "buffer zones" extend far beyond any pre-existing security zones, and the BBC's diplomatic correspondent, Jonathan Marcus, says Western diplomats fear that Moscow is determined to define the parameters of the interim security arrangements in its own terms. (story continues...) It's a matter of interpretation. They say they withdrew their surge forces from Georgia proper, and according to the peace agreement as they understand it. In other words the withdraw is complete as its going to get. They never said they would completely withdraw all forces, and have said they would continue patrols and road blocks in a buffer zone inside Georgia.... That's what they say... |
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Ashkenazi Girl User ID: 482675 United States 08/22/2008 07:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: BREAKING: RUSSIA SCALES DOWN GEORGIAN DEATH TOLL FIGURES::: ONLY 133 DIED IN SOUTH OSSETIA!!!!!! It's a matter of interpretation. They say they withdrew their surge forces from Georgia proper, and according to the peace agreement as they understand it. In other words the withdraw is complete as its going to get. They never said they would completely withdraw all forces, and have said they would continue patrols and road blocks in a buffer zone inside Georgia.... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 488414That's what they say... how is Senaki and Poti part of the buffer zone? that's pretty far from South Ossetia. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 488414 Mexico 08/22/2008 07:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: BREAKING: RUSSIA SCALES DOWN GEORGIAN DEATH TOLL FIGURES::: ONLY 133 DIED IN SOUTH OSSETIA!!!!!! It's a matter of interpretation. They say they withdrew their surge forces from Georgia proper, and according to the peace agreement as they understand it. In other words the withdraw is complete as its going to get. They never said they would completely withdraw all forces, and have said they would continue patrols and road blocks in a buffer zone inside Georgia.... Quoting: Ashkenazi GirlThat's what they say... how is Senaki and Poti part of the buffer zone? that's pretty far from South Ossetia. Abkhazia. Russians already had peace keepers there. And they were attacked by Georgia. And the Abkhazians counterattacked, kicked out Tblisi's troops and are holding their own territory. So when Russia speaks and explains its actions about Georgia, it isnt only about S. Ossetia. They also made that clear. Dont read just the western press, it is confusing and isnt a good source for understanding what Russians say. |
Ashkenazi Girl User ID: 482675 United States 08/22/2008 07:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: BREAKING: RUSSIA SCALES DOWN GEORGIAN DEATH TOLL FIGURES::: ONLY 133 DIED IN SOUTH OSSETIA!!!!!! It's a matter of interpretation. They say they withdrew their surge forces from Georgia proper, and according to the peace agreement as they understand it. In other words the withdraw is complete as its going to get. They never said they would completely withdraw all forces, and have said they would continue patrols and road blocks in a buffer zone inside Georgia.... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 488414That's what they say... how is Senaki and Poti part of the buffer zone? that's pretty far from South Ossetia. Abkhazia. Russians already had peace keepers there. And they were attacked by Georgia. And the Abkhazians counterattacked, kicked out Tblisi's troops and are holding their own territory. So when Russia speaks and explains its actions about Georgia, it isnt only about S. Ossetia. They also made that clear. Dont read just the western press, it is confusing and isnt a good source for understanding what Russians say. Poti is more than 30km from Abkhazia. so how big is this buffer zone? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 488414 Mexico 08/22/2008 07:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: BREAKING: RUSSIA SCALES DOWN GEORGIAN DEATH TOLL FIGURES::: ONLY 133 DIED IN SOUTH OSSETIA!!!!!! There is no doubt that Russia is occupying key military parts of Georgia. And they are in no hurry to leave. But ever since the peace deal with France, they havent lied about how they understood the peace deal, and so far their shouldnt be any surprises if you have been listening to what they are saying. Dont allow someone else to interpret for you what the Russians are saying,,, |
Ashkenazi Girl User ID: 482675 United States 08/22/2008 07:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: BREAKING: RUSSIA SCALES DOWN GEORGIAN DEATH TOLL FIGURES::: ONLY 133 DIED IN SOUTH OSSETIA!!!!!! There is no doubt that Russia is occupying key military parts of Georgia. And they are in no hurry to leave. But ever since the peace deal with France, they havent lied about how they understood the peace deal, and so far their shouldnt be any surprises if you have been listening to what they are saying. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 488414Dont allow someone else to interpret for you what the Russians are saying,,, then they may as well occupy Tbilisi too anyway, i'm outta here. it's almost 2:30am |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 488414 Mexico 08/22/2008 07:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: BREAKING: RUSSIA SCALES DOWN GEORGIAN DEATH TOLL FIGURES::: ONLY 133 DIED IN SOUTH OSSETIA!!!!!! Poti is more than 30km from Abkhazia. Quoting: Ashkenazi Girlso how big is this buffer zone? Well I guess the buffer zone is 30km from Abkhazia, and 30km outside Tblisi. The Russians deliberately left the definition of buffer zones vague in the peace deal -- obviously they negotiated the agreement from a position of strength.... |