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| Analogy
User ID: 489316
8/22/2008 2:22 PM
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its the same as if your spouse or children died and youd be about at the 5 day mark. so clinical depression is like 5 days after the death of someone very close, only its everyday 24/7/365
So, 5 days after the death of someone very close, would you?:
- be able to work?
- be able to concentrate enough to drive a car?
- be able to read very well, or do anything very well like errands or chores?
- would SSRI drugs bring relief? (no)
- be sick to your stomach a lot, have weird body sensation?
- feel like crying a lot?
- alternate between lying down and pacing, begging for torture to end?
So, i observe that major depression is about the same amount of suffering and same behavior as someone in around the 5 day mark of morning after losing someone like a spouse or child. The only difference is, the depression is constant, life long whereas the morning loss is temporary and gets better with time.
Thats the analogy. Just from major depression, I feel just as bad now as i did after my father committed suicide in 1996, if not worse.
So thats how intense major depression is. equal to losing a close person, only goes on daily and never changes. |
| S.
User ID: 478568
8/22/2008 2:34 PM
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its the same as if your spouse or children died and youd be about at the 5 day mark. so clinical depression is like 5 days after the death of someone very close, only its everyday 24/7/365
So, 5 days after the death of someone very close, would you?:
- be able to work?
- be able to concentrate enough to drive a car?
- be able to read very well, or do anything very well like errands or chores?
- would SSRI drugs bring relief? (no)
- be sick to your stomach a lot, have weird body sensation?
- feel like crying a lot?
- alternate between lying down and pacing, begging for torture to end?
So, i observe that major depression is about the same amount of suffering and same behavior as someone in around the 5 day mark of morning after losing someone like a spouse or child. The only difference is, the depression is constant, life long whereas the morning loss is temporary and gets better with time.
Thats the analogy. Just from major depression, I feel just as bad now as i did after my father committed suicide in 1996, if not worse.
So thats how intense major depression is. equal to losing a close person, only goes on daily and never changes. Quoting: Analogy 489316
PLEASE get some help! Honestly, there is help. You haven't had the right treatment. Forget all the BS about what you SHOULD do or feel like. You have an imbalance in your chemical make-up, and regardless of WHY you have it, there are ways to correct this imbalance.
GO TO THE DOCTOR!
I'm not kidding, and don't let anyone tell you that you can get over it on your own without medical intervention. You are playing with your life and that's not a game you want to play.
Blessings to you!
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 489316 (OP)
8/22/2008 2:36 PM | | Re: Having clinical depression is the same as living the death of a close person, forever | Quote |
i already went to 9 doctors nonstop for years. they have no treatments that have any effect, only ones that make worse. they dont have anything that induces good feels and causes relief at all |
| S.
User ID: 478568
8/22/2008 2:41 PM
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i already went to 9 doctors nonstop for years. they have no treatments that have any effect, only ones that make worse. they dont have anything that induces good feels and causes relief at all Quoting: Anonymous Coward 489316
Oh my. Well, I feel for you OP. Have you had counseling too? I reckon you have, if you've been nine years on this path. ;-(
Perhaps a change of diet and exercise, staying away from artificial food additives, etc. It may actually be an allergic reaction to something as simple as red dye in foods, or sugar, etc.
Try going to a Nutrionist and maybe an Acupuncturist. Try something different. Just DON'T GIVE UP!
XO
S. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 489316 (OP)
8/22/2008 2:43 PM | | Re: Having clinical depression is the same as living the death of a close person, forever | Quote |
no, 9 doctors... 12 years of trying out medical treatment. i should have started going to the doctor 20 years ago instead of 12 but it wouldnt have made a difference |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 76346
8/22/2008 2:44 PM | | Re: Having clinical depression is the same as living the death of a close person, forever | Quote |
Having clinical depression is the same as living the death of a close person, forever Quoting: Analogy 489316
You are wrong. it is worse. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 489304
8/22/2008 2:46 PM | | Re: Having clinical depression is the same as living the death of a close person, forever | Quote |
I don't believe in death. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 433558
8/22/2008 2:48 PM | | Re: Having clinical depression is the same as living the death of a close person, forever | Quote |
i already went to 9 doctors nonstop for years. they have no treatments that have any effect, only ones that make worse. they dont have anything that induces good feels and causes relief at all Quoting: Anonymous Coward 489316
You need to start exercising. Take St. John's Wort, go raw vegan, and start running. Your depression is a rut that will clear up in a month.
My friend was depressed after her husband took her last three months of pay and ran off with his GF (She's from Trinidad and the men control every penny) and she was left homeless. She had to live in a homeless shelter with crack heads and crack whores, beaten women and mentally ill. She also had to walk everywhere and take the bus. At first she was so depressed, she kept telling me she'd kill herself. Then from the constant walking, her depression lifted, her ind cleared and she moved to another state and is very happy now. |
| S.
User ID: 478568
8/22/2008 2:48 PM
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no, 9 doctors... 12 years of trying out medical treatment. i should have started going to the doctor 20 years ago instead of 12 but it wouldnt have made a difference Quoting: Anonymous Coward 489316
Well, twelve years ago gives me a clue. That's when your father died. If you've suffered for twenty years, perhaps his death was the straw that broke the camel's back.
Are you male or female? Have you had your hormone levels tested?
I feel for you OP.
Keep talking.... |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 489316 (OP)
8/22/2008 3:11 PM | | Re: Having clinical depression is the same as living the death of a close person, forever | Quote |
no, 9 doctors... 12 years of trying out medical treatment. i should have started going to the doctor 20 years ago instead of 12 but it wouldnt have made a difference
Well, twelve years ago gives me a clue. That's when your father died. If you've suffered for twenty years, perhaps his death was the straw that broke the camel's back.
Are you male or female? Have you had your hormone levels tested?
I feel for you OP.
Keep talking.... Quoting: S.
Keep talking?
Im a Male. i was born with depression, but symptoms got worse from age 10 to 12.
as far as the non-neurochemical factors, True Forced Loneliness upsets me the most. if you dont know what that is, go to [link to www.youtube.com] and type it in the search box. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 433558
8/22/2008 3:12 PM | | Re: Having clinical depression is the same as living the death of a close person, forever | Quote |
You do get a lot of attention from all this. Is that the pay off for you? People have a behavior like addiction because there is a payoff in there somewhere for them to do it. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 489330
8/22/2008 3:24 PM | | Re: Having clinical depression is the same as living the death of a close person, forever | Quote |
There's lots of different types of depression.
Endogenous depression is really a case of managing the symptoms, and having loving support.
Sometimes it's hard to get the help one needs, but keep going and looking. And yes, it does get tiring to tell the same story over and over to so many people/healthcare providers who often have little insight themselves.
So many people think that there has to be a "cause" or "trigger" for the depression, and if it is found and dealt with, everything will be OK again. I suppose that is them wishing for the best, but it is not always the case.
Just like some people are born with hearing, mobility or other defects, so some people can be born with what could be perceived as defects of mood functioning. Unfortunately, because they cannot see it or do anything to help physically, they don't accept it and see it as something that can either be made better or something that is the problem of diet and exercise alone.
Exercise does help, so does love and understanding, so does good nutrition, no pressure, freedom to be who you are, and appreciation.
Some of those things you can do right away, the others will come.
Wishing you good days, so you can see your way ahead. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 489316 (OP)
8/22/2008 3:24 PM | | Re: Having clinical depression is the same as living the death of a close person, forever | Quote |
You do get a lot of attention from all this. Is that the pay off for you? People have a behavior like addiction because there is a payoff in there somewhere for them to do it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 433558
oh theres seldom any motive to post anything about depression, because i know ill just get responses like this. i feel lousy still, so is that a pay off? nice payoff. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 489330
8/22/2008 3:26 PM | | Re: Having clinical depression is the same as living the death of a close person, forever | Quote |
You do get a lot of attention from all this. Is that the pay off for you? People have a behavior like addiction because there is a payoff in there somewhere for them to do it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 433558
Seriously, that is cruel and heartless.
Would you say that to someone with a club foot?
Depression in many cases is a physical disability.
Go be nasty some place else. |
| S.
User ID: 478568
8/22/2008 3:31 PM
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Keep talking?
Im a Male. i was born with depression, but symptoms got worse from age 10 to 12.
as far as the non-neurochemical factors, True Forced Loneliness upsets me the most. if you dont know what that is, go to [ link to www.youtube.com] and type it in the search box.
Okay, I watched a couple of videos. I understand you are saying that you have been constantly rejected. Is this correct?
One thing that you can do today, and every day, is to focus on helping someone else, whether it's a child, and old person, a homeless person, etc. When you FOCUS on someone else and not your own "perceived" or "real" problems, you will eventually come to the realization that life is MORE rewarding when you are of service to others.
There's a saying that you might want to remember in this quest:
"No man stands as tall as when he kneels to help a child."
I don't care how low you feel, force yourself to start focusing on helping someone else. Little things ~ big things. It doesn't matter. Another thing to keep in mind is don't expect huge appreciation for your help, either. That's just setting yourself up to be REJECTED again. It isn't about YOU, it's about helping someone else. If you remember this, you can't EVER BE REJECTED again.
Love to you...
S. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 489330
8/22/2008 3:37 PM | | Re: Having clinical depression is the same as living the death of a close person, forever | Quote |
I don't care how low you feel, force yourself to start focusing on helping someone else.
S. Quoting: S.
Hi S, I know you are trying to help, but "forcing" anything does not help with endogenous depression.
Of course, if the OP feels he can do this, then that's great. But if he doesn't, that is also fine.
It's more important to be loved as one is, with no expectations first. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 106290
8/22/2008 3:39 PM | | Re: Having clinical depression is the same as living the death of a close person, forever | Quote |
Wiping tears from my cheeks as I type to thank you for providing a glimpse into the world of someone with depression. You have no idea how much it helps those of us who've lived with someone with depression, and watched them die.
It's as close as some will ever get, to accepting that maybe there really was nothing more we could have done. Thank you again for a post that I'm going to copy and save. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 489127
8/22/2008 3:41 PM | | Re: Having clinical depression is the same as living the death of a close person, forever | Quote |
try testosterone gel OP
have a blood test to see what your levels are first though.
got my results today, and I'm at the lowest end of normal
basically I've got the testosterone of an old man at 42
ordered some gel today, and I'm convinced it'll do the trick.
i'll let you know. |
| S.
User ID: 478568
8/22/2008 3:44 PM
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Hi S, I know you are trying to help, but "forcing" anything does not help with endogenous depression.
Of course, if the OP feels he can do this, then that's great. But if he doesn't, that is also fine.
It's more important to be loved as one is, with no expectations first. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 489330
Point well-taken. I, too, was born with depression, although I didn't know that I was "different" than anyone else. And you are right, being loved for who we are is BIG!
I am trying to help, OP, because I KNOW how you feel.
No matter what, I love you for who you are, and that's the truth. Hopefully you can realize there are people with no agendas and who do NOT reject you.
Blessings |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 433558
8/22/2008 3:53 PM | | Re: Having clinical depression is the same as living the death of a close person, forever | Quote |
You do get a lot of attention from all this. Is that the pay off for you? People have a behavior like addiction because there is a payoff in there somewhere for them to do it.
Seriously, that is cruel and heartless.
Would you say that to someone with a club foot?
Depression in many cases is a physical disability.
Go be nasty some place else. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 489330
No, it's a fact. Anyone that has a longtime issue is getting some "reward" to continue the behavior.
I agree that depression is a mental illness. My brother has bouts of severe depression, but he NEVER changes. He still smokes pot, won't leave the house, watches cartoons, and wastes time. He doesn't lift a finger to correct some of his worst behaviors, which is is keenly aware of.
I think a lot f it is indulgence. He lives with my parents, is unemployed and my parents are enablers. They feel sorry for him. He gets babied like a child. He has no responsibility, and never does a thing to help, no laundry, no dishes, no nothing. Because he's "depressed". It's a rut and only he can take himself out of it. But why would he? He gets pampered, pitied, can act like the biggest asshole imaginable, is mean, argues constantly, is entirely unhelpful and still gets patted on the arm. I can't help but wonder if it's all a manipulation to get pity and a free pass all the time. he's 40 years old. My parents are in their mid 60s and they are taking care of him and have no savings.
I have little patience left. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 489316 (OP)
8/22/2008 3:54 PM | | Re: Having clinical depression is the same as living the death of a close person, forever | Quote |
You do get a lot of attention from all this. Is that the pay off for you? People have a behavior like addiction because there is a payoff in there somewhere for them to do it.
Seriously, that is cruel and heartless.
Would you say that to someone with a club foot?
Depression in many cases is a physical disability.
Go be nasty some place else.
No, it's a fact. Anyone that has a longtime issue is getting some "reward" to continue the behavior.
I agree that depression is a mental illness. My brother has bouts of severe depression, but he NEVER changes. He still smokes pot, won't leave the house, watches cartoons, and wastes time. He doesn't lift a finger to correct some of his worst behaviors, which is is keenly aware of.
I think a lot f it is indulgence. He lives with my parents, is unemployed and my parents are enablers. They feel sorry for him. He gets babied like a child. He has no responsibility, and never does a thing to help, no laundry, no dishes, no nothing. Because he's "depressed". It's a rut and only he can take himself out of it. But why would he? He gets pampered, pitied, can act like the biggest asshole imaginable, is mean, argues constantly, is entirely unhelpful and still gets patted on the arm. I can't help but wonder if it's all a manipulation to get pity and a free pass all the time. he's 40 years old. My parents are in their mid 60s and they are taking care of him and have no savings.
I have little patience left. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 433558
then you never experience depression. you feel very high all of the time, which is why you type this
if you had depression you wouldnt type this and would know its untrue. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 489316 (OP)
8/22/2008 3:58 PM | | Anonymous Coward
User ID: 433558
8/22/2008 3:59 PM | | Re: Having clinical depression is the same as living the death of a close person, forever | Quote |
I don't feel high. I just do my thing. I never do drugs, never drink, I do everything I am supposed to in this hard life, with no crutches.
I think it's attention whoredom. That's all.
Whomever wallows like this, obviously loves it.
I cannot wallow. It's not my nature. Neither am I able to hold a grudge. Some people are just naturally optimistic, and some people are naturally a drag to be around. Why can't they all just be a drag together and let the normal people alone. They have to draw everyone into their drama. Let's see what happens if they are taken out of their nesting environment and put where they have to fend for themselves. They'd be all capable overnight. Guaranteed.
BTW, the people around them suffer more than they do. But the selfish one never even thinks of that. Much like an alcoholic can only ever think of their own self absorbed selves. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 433558
8/22/2008 4:01 PM | | Re: Having clinical depression is the same as living the death of a close person, forever | Quote |
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 489316
Why? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 486826
8/22/2008 4:06 PM | | Re: Having clinical depression is the same as living the death of a close person, forever | Quote |
All of your advices SUCKS so baaaaad,
The only thing you can do to help..wait not help..how to NOT make it worse..for a person who has a clinical depression is to not put pressure on them.
The person closest to me in my life suffers from clinical depression, and I hate when people tell him or me "Oh maybe if you/he started to go out more, Oh maybe if you/he ate this and that, oh maybe if you/he were more positive" STHU!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Youre driving me NUUUUUUUUUUUUUTS.
People with clinical depression are in hell 24/7 and your hippie attitudes, snappy attitudes, your "Oh snap out it" attitudes wont change it.
How about accepting people for what they are?????
And stop asking them to take down the moon for ya.
that would be a great change for the better IMHO!!! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 433558
8/22/2008 4:07 PM | | Re: Having clinical depression is the same as living the death of a close person, forever | Quote |
By the way, OP? My grandmother died at my house when I was 23. They came and zipped up her black bag with me watching.
I had a panic attack, one day off from work and school, and went back to school the next day after that, and to work.
It really helped to get back into a routine and going about daily business. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 486826
8/22/2008 4:11 PM | | Re: Having clinical depression is the same as living the death of a close person, forever | Quote |
I don't feel high. I just do my thing. I never do drugs, never drink, I do everything I am supposed to in this hard life, with no crutches.
I think it's attention whoredom. That's all.
Whomever wallows like this, obviously loves it.
I cannot wallow. It's not my nature. Neither am I able to hold a grudge. Some people are just naturally optimistic, and some people are naturally a drag to be around. Why can't they all just be a drag together and let the normal people alone. They have to draw everyone into their drama. Let's see what happens if they are taken out of their nesting environment and put where they have to fend for themselves. They'd be all capable overnight. Guaranteed.
BTW, the people around them suffer more than they do. But the selfish one never even thinks of that. Much like an alcoholic can only ever think of their own self absorbed selves. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 433558
And you, yes YOU..and your kins
Oh man,
I can describe you in a simple quote from JFK:
"YOU DONT KNOW WHAT LIFE IS LIKE CAUSE YOU HAVE NEVER BEEN FUCKED IN THE ASS!!!!!"
vermin, stealer of good air wich you are not worthy to breath, If you are so happy, wtf are you doing on GLP.
Id prefer clinical depression to your state of nothingness. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 433558
8/22/2008 4:12 PM | | Re: Having clinical depression is the same as living the death of a close person, forever | Quote |
All of your advices SUCKS so baaaaad,
The only thing you can do to help..wait not help..how to NOT make it worse..for a person who has a clinical depression is to not put pressure on them.
The person closest to me in my life suffers from clinical depression, and I hate when people tell him or me "Oh maybe if you/he started to go out more, Oh maybe if you/he ate this and that, oh maybe if you/he were more positive" STHU!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Youre driving me NUUUUUUUUUUUUUTS.
People with clinical depression are in hell 24/7 and your hippie attitudes, snappy attitudes, your "Oh snap out it" attitudes wont change it.
How about accepting people for what they are?????
And stop asking them to take down the moon for ya.
that would be a great change for the better IMHO!!! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 486826
Take them how they are, when they don't work, don't do anything but act stupid, and manipulating. Are you saying they are all feckless and DON'T manipulate?
So, why not just put these people into a coma and let tax payers pay for their pointless existence? They are anyway, with people like you to indulge them.
I didn't say get out more. I said: Get off your ass, gor raw vegan, detox, run 10 miles per day, I fucking challenge any "depressed" person to this. They won't BE depressed, because it's impossible. Exercise produces tons of endorphins. It makes you feel happy. Depressed people don't want to feel happy, they want to be depressed so they can be babied and taken care of like a toddler. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 489316 (OP)
8/22/2008 4:14 PM | | Re: Having clinical depression is the same as living the death of a close person, forever | Quote |
I don't feel high. I just do my thing. I never do drugs, never drink, I do everything I am supposed to in this hard life, with no crutches.
I think it's attention whoredom. That's all.
Whomever wallows like this, obviously loves it.
I cannot wallow. It's not my nature. Neither am I able to hold a grudge. Some people are just naturally optimistic, and some people are naturally a drag to be around. Why can't they all just be a drag together and let the normal people alone. They have to draw everyone into their drama. Let's see what happens if they are taken out of their nesting environment and put where they have to fend for themselves. They'd be all capable overnight. Guaranteed.
BTW, the people around them suffer more than they do. But the selfish one never even thinks of that. Much like an alcoholic can only ever think of their own self absorbed selves. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 433558
no, trust me, you literally feel high compared to a depressed person
you dont feel a strong dysphoric feeling inside your cranium area and get severe weaknesses
your apply your state of consciousness to other people, even though the other people are in a totally different state
its like the same as me spiking your drink with Thorazine, then saying, "what the hell are you doing, get up now and do what you need to do, you just need to do what i do, and keep moving" |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 433558
8/22/2008 4:18 PM | | Re: Having clinical depression is the same as living the death of a close person, forever | Quote |
I don't feel high. I just do my thing. I never do drugs, never drink, I do everything I am supposed to in this hard life, with no crutches.
I think it's attention whoredom. That's all.
Whomever wallows like this, obviously loves it.
I cannot wallow. It's not my nature. Neither am I able to hold a grudge. Some people are just naturally optimistic, and some people are naturally a drag to be around. Why can't they all just be a drag together and let the normal people alone. They have to draw everyone into their drama. Let's see what happens if they are taken out of their nesting environment and put where they have to fend for themselves. They'd be all capable overnight. Guaranteed.
BTW, the people around them suffer more than they do. But the selfish one never even thinks of that. Much like an alcoholic can only ever think of their own self absorbed selves.
And you, yes YOU..and your kins
Oh man,
I can describe you in a simple quote from JFK:
"YOU DONT KNOW WHAT LIFE IS LIKE CAUSE YOU HAVE NEVER BEEN FUCKED IN THE ASS!!!!!"
vermin, stealer of good air wich you are not worthy to breath, If you are so happy, wtf are you doing on GLP.
Id prefer clinical depression to your state of nothingness. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 486826
Whatever. You're an idiot.
This is really what's wrong with Americans. They are so spoiled they have to make up shit to bitch about.
If this was some third world shithole with machine gun toting guerillas and famines and wars, and epidemics and birth defects, I could see, or if you were living in Pakistan with a bunch of backward idiots that think head chopping is a good pastime or stoning women to death for anything and everything. And you know what? No suicides! They have fighting spirit. With nothing to EAT, no roof over their heads, and NO WHERE to go.
See: Darfur. And yet, they don't pity themselves. they see endless death everyday, their own kids! And they do not pity themselves, and they do not QUIT.
I admire courage. I admire tenacity.
I hate whining.
What is the deal? There's endless help, if you want help. The OP refuses to be helped, IMO. He gets to come onhere and have you all singing the Aya song to him. (A Spanish lullaby). Attention without question. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 433558
8/22/2008 4:19 PM | | Re: Having clinical depression is the same as living the death of a close person, forever | Quote |
I don't feel high. I just do my thing. I never do drugs, never drink, I do everything I am supposed to in this hard life, with no crutches.
I think it's attention whoredom. That's all.
Whomever wallows like this, obviously loves it.
I cannot wallow. It's not my nature. Neither am I able to hold a grudge. Some people are just naturally optimistic, and some people are naturally a drag to be around. Why can't they all just be a drag together and let the normal people alone. They have to draw everyone into their drama. Let's see what happens if they are taken out of their nesting environment and put where they have to fend for themselves. They'd be all capable overnight. Guaranteed.
BTW, the people around them suffer more than they do. But the selfish one never even thinks of that. Much like an alcoholic can only ever think of their own self absorbed selves.
no, trust me, you literally feel high compared to a depressed person
you dont feel a strong dysphoric feeling inside your cranium area and get severe weaknesses
your apply your state of consciousness to other people, even though the other people are in a totally different state
its like the same as me spiking your drink with Thorazine, then saying, "what the hell are you doing, get up now and do what you need to do, you just need to do what i do, and keep moving" Quoting: Anonymous Coward 489316
See, you are very "into" your illness and vested in it. it is your identity. You won't change because you are made special by it. |
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