Myth Busters is doing a show on the Moon Landing.

To claim that we never went to the Moon flies in the face
of evidence that is accepted by millions of scientists around
the world and is only based on faulty claims that fail in
the light of exposure. No one in the scientific community
supports the idea that we never went to the Moon. It is
therefore extraordinary to claim we didn't. If disbelief
is all that is required to dismiss evidence then the
scientific method wouldn't work.

It worries me that the US is increasingly too lazy to learn
and understand actual science and is falling behind the rest
of the world. This country used to have a top notch science
curriculum. Belief that we never went to the Moon requires a
great deal of ignorance of science, just as belief that the
world is only 10,000 years old. Yet you find support for
those in the US in numbers you do not find in other nations.

you are all too lazy to spend the one keystroke needed to affix memorable handles


So we should be making your job easier, huh? And it is your job, or some really weird obsession.

My watch probably has more memory than the 1969 Apollo 11 computers. Considering the computing power available at the time, I think it's impossible to have landed a man on the moon, based on this fact alone.

I knew it! That Charles Lindbergh guy was a fake, too!!


I guess all the pre-Apollo un-manned landers from both the US and Soviet Union were faked as well?

Actually if you look at it logically, what the Myth Busters actually did, is to confirm that everything they pointed out, CAN BE FAKED ON EARTH.

Reproducing the bootprint imprint, done on Earth in their show, (TICK)

The flag waving the way in did in the Moon Landing video while the Astronauts were setting it up, done on Earth in their show, (TICK)

Shadows can go in diffent directions in an atmospere on Earth, done on Earth in their show, (TICK)

Reproducing the movement of bounce and leaping around on the Moon supposedly in 1/6 gravity, as shown in the Moon Landing video. done on Earth in their show, (TICK)

I will add that the Myth Busters did clearly reproduce in the vomit jet plane, virtually the exact same type of Moon walk we see in Apollo videos. This is the type of movement that NASA worked very hard to match the look of, when NASA faked it all in their film studio.

The Myth Busters used very clearly clumsy, thick cord/wire rigging in their first demonstrion, it did not reproduce the exact look of the bounce and movement of the Asronauts walking/running in the Moon Landing video. However the Myth Busters had a little budget, and only tried one type of wire rigging from one business. NASA had a multi-billion dollar budget to use to spend on developing a much more expensive and realistic looking rigging system. This was particularly done to match the look of the jumping and moving around in NASA's 'vomit rocket jet planes' which reproduce the 1/6 gravity.

So in conclusion, 'ALL' the Myth Busters did was to prove that 'ALL' the things we saw in the the Moon landing video, CAN BE REPRODUCED HERE ON EARTH.

Actually if you look at it logically, what the Myth Busters actually did, is to confirm that everything they pointed out, CAN BE FAKED ON EARTH.

Reproducing the bootprint imprint, done on Earth in their show, (TICK)

The flag waving the way in did in the Moon Landing video while the Astronauts were setting it up, done on Earth in their show, (TICK)

Shadows can go in diffent directions in an atmospere on Earth, done on Earth in their show, (TICK)

Reproducing the movement of bounce and leaping around on the Moon supposedly in 1/6 gravity, as shown in the Moon Landing video. done on Earth in their show, (TICK)

I will add that the Myth Busters did clearly reproduce in the vomit jet plane, virtually the exact same type of Moon walk we see in Apollo videos. This is the type of movement that NASA worked very hard to match the look of, when NASA faked it all in their film studio.

The Myth Busters used very clearly clumsy, thick cord/wire rigging in their first demonstrion, it did not reproduce the exact look of the bounce and movement of the Asronauts walking/running in the Moon Landing video. However the Myth Busters had a little budget, and only tried one type of wire rigging from one business. NASA had a multi-billion dollar budget to use to spend on developing a much more expensive and realistic looking rigging system. This was particularly done to match the look of the jumping and moving around in NASA's 'vomit rocket jet planes' which reproduce the 1/6 gravity.

So in conclusion, 'ALL' the Myth Busters did was to prove that 'ALL' the things we saw in the the Moon landing video, CAN BE REPRODUCED HERE ON EARTH.


What a dumbass! Are ALL of you hoax believers this stupid?

Actually if you look at it logically, what the Myth Busters actually did, is to confirm that everything they pointed out, CAN BE FAKED ON EARTH.

Reproducing the bootprint imprint, done on Earth in their show, (TICK)

The flag waving the way in did in the Moon Landing video while the Astronauts were setting it up, done on Earth in their show, (TICK)

Shadows can go in diffent directions in an atmospere on Earth, done on Earth in their show, (TICK)

Reproducing the movement of bounce and leaping around on the Moon supposedly in 1/6 gravity, as shown in the Moon Landing video. done on Earth in their show, (TICK)

I will add that the Myth Busters did clearly reproduce in the vomit jet plane, virtually the exact same type of Moon walk we see in Apollo videos. This is the type of movement that NASA worked very hard to match the look of, when NASA faked it all in their film studio.

The Myth Busters used very clearly clumsy, thick cord/wire rigging in their first demonstrion, it did not reproduce the exact look of the bounce and movement of the Asronauts walking/running in the Moon Landing video. However the Myth Busters had a little budget, and only tried one type of wire rigging from one business. NASA had a multi-billion dollar budget to use to spend on developing a much more expensive and realistic looking rigging system. This was particularly done to match the look of the jumping and moving around in NASA's 'vomit rocket jet planes' which reproduce the 1/6 gravity.

So in conclusion, 'ALL' the Myth Busters did was to prove that 'ALL' the things we saw in the the Moon landing video, CAN BE REPRODUCED HERE ON EARTH.

well notice how well done the pictures of the mythbusters are and thoose of nasa are .

then imagine this dont you think nasa did the same thing ? when taking the pictures ! and giving them to the audience afterwards !

i say its still a hoax

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LOL You say the moon landing is a hoax yet on another thread you claim to be a time traveler????

I love watching you squirm in your replies nomuse (NLI), its so funny to watch,

Cars were on the highways for twenty years before any of the modern safety systems were introduced; collapsible steering columns, padded dashboards, shoulder belts, safety glass. It was another decade before air bags. Does that mean that car travel did not take place before any of these measures? Does it mean it was impossibly unsafe? Neither. It means that, as in many fields, work is constantly done to improve safety (and performance, and economy, and environmental impact).

Actually if you look at it logically, what the Myth Busters actually did, is to confirm that everything they pointed out, CAN BE FAKED ON EARTH.


Err, there's a conflation here. Mythbusters did not set out to prove or disprove a lunar landing. They set out to prove or disprove certain very specific claims made by certain people who use these claims in support of a theory that the lunar landings were faked.

I know, sounds confusing. Bear with me. The case for or against a lunar landing is a case still in the process of being made. In advance of the case AGAINST people like, say, Bart Sibrel like to point at certain things they believe can not naturally occur. The task the Mythbusters set themselves was to see if, in fact, Sibrel and his co-theorists were correct.




Reproducing the bootprint imprint, done on Earth in their show, (TICK)


The hoax believer claim is that no dry material -- this includes Lunar dust -- can retain an impression.

Although the Mythbuster's test was inconclusive (the impression was not as crisp as might be desired), the hoax believers are proved wrong. Dry materials will take an impression.




The flag waving the way in did in the Moon Landing video while the Astronauts were setting it up, done on Earth in their show, (TICK)


The hoax believer claim is, actually, that the flag appears to wave at several times (they conveniently avoid all those times the flag is visibly still as a rock -- something quite impossible in atmosphere).

The Mythbusters aimed to show what a flag behaves like in vacuum. The behavior of their flag in vacuum appears to match more closely the behavior of the flag in the lunar surface record, therefor implying (NOT "proving") that the lunar record was also filmed in vacuum.

As a not-important sideline, this finding that the flag was probably in vacuum disproves the related hoax believer claim that "stray winds in the studio" or "the air displaced by an astronaut's passage" moved the flag.


Shadows can go in diffent directions in an atmospere on Earth, done on Earth in their show, (TICK)


The primary hoax believer claim is that the "look" of the photographed scenes on the lunar surface required multiple lights. In addition, they point at divergent shadows and claim that the only way such shadows can be produced is with multiple lights. Finally, as a reply in certain debates the hoax believers like to claim that light acts differently in a vacuum then it does on Earth.

From my understanding of the presentation, the Mythbusters tackled the latter first, showing that all the lighting effects described were not dependent on atmosphere (or, rather, trying to show -- I believe it would take a longer show to truly disprove this wrong but oddly compelling idea about light.)

Divergent shadows can be easily shown with nothing but rough ground and a couple of sticks (I've done it in my own garden). Multiple shadows are observed from multiple lights by anyone with eyes (and any of us that have experience in theatrical, film, or photographic lighting setups).

But I don't know if the Mythbusters got into this.




Reproducing the movement of bounce and leaping around on the Moon supposedly in 1/6 gravity, as shown in the Moon Landing video. done on Earth in their show, (TICK)


Partially true. The Mythbusters did show that the peculiar low-gravity gait was natural in a low gravity environment.

Believe it or not, this is often questioned. Many people appear to believe that the gait of the astronauts is artificial, contrived, or otherwise indicative of some hoax, rather than being the result of low gravity.

And this is one point where one has to consider carefully the parameters of what was proven. The Mythbusters proved quite sucessfully that low gravity conditions could be reproduced for a few seconds at a time in a high-flying plane. The problem, of course, is to fit several kilometers of rock-strewn ground and a scale LM into said plane, and two hours of continuous and contiguous (un-cut) video into a thirty-second flight.



I will add that the Myth Busters did clearly reproduce in the vomit jet plane, virtually the exact same type of Moon walk we see in Apollo videos. This is the type of movement that NASA worked very hard to match the look of, when NASA faked it all in their film studio.

The Myth Busters used very clearly clumsy, thick cord/wire rigging in their first demonstrion, it did not reproduce the exact look of the bounce and movement of the Asronauts walking/running in the Moon Landing video. However the Myth Busters had a little budget, and only tried one type of wire rigging from one business. NASA had a multi-billion dollar budget to use to spend on developing a much more expensive and realistic looking rigging system. This was particularly done to match the look of the jumping and moving around in NASA's 'vomit rocket jet planes' which reproduce the 1/6 gravity.



The specificity of the Hoax Believers trips them up here. The claim is rarely that "low-gravity effects could be convincingly faked on Earth." And even if it were, the onus is still to show how; it is easy, for instance, to say "making an airplane stop dead in the air and swivel in its tracks" is easy to do, but you really should be able to show HOW.

In any case, the Hoax Believers DO go into specifics. Specifically, that single "wires" were used, that standard theatrical flying rigs were used, that astronauts were supported or even "yanked to their feet" during shooting.

The same Hoax Believers also claim the film was overcranked. Perhaps they changed techniques on alternate days?

What the Mythbusters showed is what any of us with, again, theatrical experience know; that flying doesn't look like that. It doesn't disprove that some possible technique as yet undescribed was used to fake the motions (or even, COULD be used to fake the motions.) It merely disproves that the specific techniques and materials described by the hoax believers would work.




So in conclusion, 'ALL' the Myth Busters did was to prove that 'ALL' the things we saw in the the Moon landing video, CAN BE REPRODUCED HERE ON EARTH.


That has never been in dispute, not at least among those with a science background. The take-home point here is that the vast majority of the common Hoax Believer claims can be trivially disproven, using little more than kitchen-table science.

This is far from saying the landings were or were not fake-able. This is simply underlying that the specific arguments used most often by Hoax Believers as EVIDENCE for their CLAIM that the landings were faked, can be demolished with relative degrees of ease.

Those who commonly dispute Apollo are proven to have less understanding of basic science than the Mythbusters (or, indeed, of a bright high school student).

If Apollo was faked, the evidence that supports that is different and much more subtle than most of what is presented by the usual Hoax Believers.

And yet, somehow, we came out of that "fake" race with a real Saturn V booster and the associated hardware that was used for Skylab and for the Apollo-Soyuz joint missions.

And the Soviets came out of it with a fleet of Soyuz which they are using today.


Or are you of the "All orbital stuff is real, except for all missions beyond LEO, except for robotic missions...."

(Sheesh. Why not come out and say "I disagree with whatever specific thing makes the actual Moon Landing possible. Everything else, I don't care to clutter up my mind with facts about.)

((Makes me wonder if somewhere out there is a Vietnam nut who has no problems with any other part of the war, but believes the Tet Offensive was faked. Or an Everest Climb believer who believes every single climbing party that claimed to, made it to the summit -- except the one with Alison Hargreaves, because of course no woman can climb mountains.))

They nearly lost Skylab to RADIATION...

they lost the micrometeorite sheild on launch,so Skylab was getting FRIED by the sun in LEO.(low earth orbit),they had to quickly devise a screen to shade the living area on Skylab,or lose everything in it,and render it inhospitable to the crews.

LEO is under the van allen radiation belts.

3) There should have been a substantial crater blasted out under the LM's 10,000 pound thrust rocket. Sceptics would have you believe that the engines only had the power to blow the dust from underneath the LM as it landed. If this is true, how did Armstrong create that famous boot print if all the dust had been blown away?

5) Footprints are the result of weight displacing air or moisture from between particles of dirt, dust, or sand. The astronauts left distinct footprints all over the place.

13) Instead of being able to jump at least ten feet high in "one sixth" gravity, the highest jump was about nineteen inches.

14) Even though slow motion photography was able to give a fairly convincing appearance of very low gravity, it could not disguise the fact that the astronauts travelled no further between steps than they would have on Earth.

15) If the Rover buggy had actually been moving in one-sixth gravity, then it would have required a twenty foot width in order not to have flipped over on nearly every turn. The Rover had the same width as ordinary small cars.

21) During the Apollo 14 flag setup ceremony, the flag would not stop fluttering.

32) Why did the blueprints and plans for the Lunar Module and Moon Buggy get destroyed if this was one of History's greatest accomplishments?

Furthermore, when cosmic rays hit the ground, they produce a dangerous spray of secondary particles right at your feet.

32) Why did the blueprints and plans for the Lunar Module and Moon Buggy get destroyed if this was one of History's greatest accomplishments?
You made all good points, there were just so many I had to pick and choose my favorites, thanks sat.

I have a copy of the plans for the Lunar Buggy.

Oh, right. I forgot. Test pilots, mountain climbers, speed record setters, and other people pushing the boundaries of the possible never experience luck (good or bad).