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Was John Smith Murdered

 
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On LBC (talk radio)this week was a the subject of Greece and the message was that the Greeks got themselves in this hole because they did not pay taxes.

Infact the Greeks did and do pay taxes, it was the plutocrats and the politicians that avoided paying taxes.

The truth is that the Euro played a key role in the collapse of the Greek economy and the odious (illegal) debt that the traitorous Greek politicians took, and pocketed.

LBC is the propoganda mouth piece of the NWO, if they are propogating such a perception, then it is guaranteed that that is the message the NWO Satanists want to be heard and absorbed.

Blame the lazy good for nothing Greeks.

This is borne out in the talk by IMF Sturmführer Christine Legarde, who is sending out the same message. She also states she has no sympathy for Greece and has much more sympathy for 'little kids in Niger' who sit three to a chair in a class room.

So this is where we have sunk, our sympathy to fellow Europeans is withheld because they have it better that IMF RAPED NIGER.

Let me pose you this scenario: If you were an alien and you wanted to bring about the dark ages, could you have thought of a better way than what the EU, USA, UK, IMF is doing.

What we see in Greece is economic invasion and occupation. The austerity measures far from helping Greece are destroying Greece.

What we see is the enslavement of Greece, then Spain, Portugal, Italy,..........

People are suffering, European people our cousins.

Leaked Troika Document Uncovers Greek debt-deal Charade
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Is this awesome or what ???

German riot police take off their helmets and join protesters
The German police took off their helmets and marched with the protest clearing the way for them.

The police coming over to serve and protect the people. Police are escorting, not participating...... and their humanity coming through...

The protest group calling itself Blockupy has called for blocking the access to the European Central Bank, which is located in Frankfurt's business district. Reports of an estimated 20,000+ protesters.

German police officers escort an anti-capitalism protest march with some 20,000 people in Frankfurt, Germany, Saturday, May 19, 2012.

Protesters peacefully filled the city center of continental Europe's biggest financial hub in their protest against the dominance of banks and what they perceive to be untamed crony capitalism, Frankfurt police spokesman Ruediger Regis said.

[link to wikiprotest.com]

Below Orwellian Newspeak
The Meaning of "Austerity"
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I'm currently reading "Third World America" by Arianna Huffington.

She is a naturilaised American who has been living there for over 20 years and dearly loves America.

In her book she describes the diliberate sabotage of laws and legislation that was designed to protect individuals from preditory lending, from high interest rates, from exploitation by bans and corporations.

She writes how the totally failed economics of the free market are still promoted by the mass media, regardless of all the evidence of there failure.

She examines Obama's presidency as compared to his rhetoric.

Key interestings points include:
Pg 7. Recession Wire.com
[link to www.recessionwire.com]
Pg 14. The account of Faye Harris who contracted cancer and as soon as her time off guaranteed by the Family and Medical Leave Act expired, she was sacked and then lost her medical insurance.
Pg 18. Stats on decreasing wages, such as in 2007 the top 10% pocketed 50% of all money earned in the US.
&
Almost 100 million US citizens earn less than their parents did.
Pg 27. Economist Jeff madrick believes in the absence of manufacturing the only way to compete with the third world, is to become the third world.
Pg 55. The Real Misery Index - google it.
Pg 56. US companies avoid company tax by using P.O. Boxes in Caymen etc WHILST getting government contracts. Worse offender Halliburton. Also many of the same companies avoid their social responsibilities such as unemployment benefits.
Pg 58. HEDGE FUND MANAGERS (those partly responsible for crashing the economy) pay ONLY 15% TAX AS IT IS CLASSED AS CARRIED INTEREST. The top 25 of these scum hedge fund managers earned A BILLION DOLLARS EACH. Top earners earnt $4 Billion.

So as you can see, it's a really good book in an old fashioned way. It is written by a woman so it has that feminine gentleness and generosity.

So far she hasn't linked any of this deliberatley destructive behaviour to the illuminati, BUT you can see the hand of the illuminati very clearly behined what she writes.

[link to www.amazon.co.uk]

Again very useful reading for us Brits as we follow like a cojoined twin.
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Oh and Diamond Jubillee, any mention of our troops?
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Please take a look at all of todays entries.

And so to the conclusion of my peotry writting competition!!
responses zero. Which is okay.

I thought as a response to that, I would write a new poem, but then I thought maybe you guys have been through enough trauma.

So as an alternative to that, here is a song below.

Dedicated to all, but in particular to the security people that perhaps started with good intentions and have become/are but lapdogs of the illuminati.

We love you and want you to come back home.

Everybody's got to learn sometime

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Oh and Diamond Jubillee, any mention of our troops?
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Or the economy, production, social provision?

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Everybody's got to learn sometime
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True, that is why now i remember.hf
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I'm currently reading "Third World America" by Arianna Huffington.

She is a naturilaised American who has been living there for over 20 years and dearly loves America.

In her book she describes the diliberate sabotage of laws and legislation that was designed to protect individuals from preditory lending, from high interest rates, from exploitation by bans and corporations.

She writes how the totally failed economics of the free market are still promoted by the mass media, regardless of all the evidence of there failure.

She examines Obama's presidency as compared to his rhetoric.

Key interestings points include:
Pg 7. Recession Wire.com
[link to www.recessionwire.com]
Pg 14. The account of Faye Harris who contracted cancer and as soon as her time off guaranteed by the Family and Medical Leave Act expired, she was sacked and then lost her medical insurance.
Pg 18. Stats on decreasing wages, such as in 2007 the top 10% pocketed 50% of all money earned in the US.
&
Almost 100 million US citizens earn less than their parents did.
Pg 27. Economist Jeff madrick believes in the absence of manufacturing the only way to compete with the third world, is to become the third world.
Pg 55. The Real Misery Index - google it.
Pg 56. US companies avoid company tax by using P.O. Boxes in Caymen etc WHILST getting government contracts. Worse offender Halliburton. Also many of the same companies avoid their social responsibilities such as unemployment benefits.
Pg 58. HEDGE FUND MANAGERS (those partly responsible for crashing the economy) pay ONLY 15% TAX AS IT IS CLASSED AS CARRIED INTEREST. The top 25 of these scum hedge fund managers earned A BILLION DOLLARS EACH. Top earners earnt $4 Billion.

So as you can see, it's a really good book in an old fashioned way. It is written by a woman so it has that feminine gentleness and generosity.

So far she hasn't linked any of this deliberatley destructive behaviour to the illuminati, BUT you can see the hand of the illuminati very clearly behined what she writes.

[link to www.amazon.co.uk]

Again very useful reading for us Brits as we follow like a cojoined twin.
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Considering the above, it made me think what other laws are being wiped out or perverted to reduce rights for the citizen and promote corporate interests.

Interesting areas to consider are areas of:

1. Food and water safety.
2. Access to a lawyer.
3. Habeus Corpus.
4. Lots of other things I can of.

But it seems the answer to what liberties have been lost in the interest of big government and coporations is everything and Obama has proven himself to be a big fat NWO puppet as much as Bush ever was.

SHOCKING ALERT!!! MARTIAL LAW IN USA BE AWARE!!!

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The freedom we have and what the people in control want.

How true his words are, how sad.

Sothern Europe is being taken down to the economic level of Africa, while we sit a wash our hands of it, while real suffering and hunger is going on and the head of the IMF Christine Legarde tells the world she is more concerned about African Children, while Greek Children starve. She states Greeks should pay their taxes, while she pays none. She complains that tax contributions have fallen by 20% and makes no correlation with the collapsing economy.

That fate awaits us all.

George Carlin -"Who Really Controls America" [and the rest of the world].

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For a post 911 world.
They knew it was coming.

V The Original Miniseries NBC Narrated Recap of Part One (Widescreen, Remastered)

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Have you been brainwashed to reject love and embrace hate and death?

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Have you been brainwashed to reject love and embrace hate and death?

Illuminati Mind Control Techniques

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Aquarius - The Age Of Evil (Full Movie)
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I'm currently reading "Third World America" by Arianna Huffington.

She is a naturilaised American who has been living there for over 20 years and dearly loves America.

In her book she describes the diliberate sabotage of laws and legislation that was designed to protect individuals from preditory lending, from high interest rates, from exploitation by bans and corporations.

She writes how the totally failed economics of the free market are still promoted by the mass media, regardless of all the evidence of there failure.

She examines Obama's presidency as compared to his rhetoric.

Key interestings points include:
Pg 7. Recession Wire.com
[link to www.recessionwire.com]
Pg 14. The account of Faye Harris who contracted cancer and as soon as her time off guaranteed by the Family and Medical Leave Act expired, she was sacked and then lost her medical insurance.
Pg 18. Stats on decreasing wages, such as in 2007 the top 10% pocketed 50% of all money earned in the US.
&
Almost 100 million US citizens earn less than their parents did.
Pg 27. Economist Jeff madrick believes in the absence of manufacturing the only way to compete with the third world, is to become the third world.
Pg 55. The Real Misery Index - google it.
Pg 56. US companies avoid company tax by using P.O. Boxes in Caymen etc WHILST getting government contracts. Worse offender Halliburton. Also many of the same companies avoid their social responsibilities such as unemployment benefits.
Pg 58. HEDGE FUND MANAGERS (those partly responsible for crashing the economy) pay ONLY 15% TAX AS IT IS CLASSED AS CARRIED INTEREST. The top 25 of these scum hedge fund managers earned A BILLION DOLLARS EACH. Top earners earnt $4 Billion.

So as you can see, it's a really good book in an old fashioned way. It is written by a woman so it has that feminine gentleness and generosity.

So far she hasn't linked any of this deliberatley destructive behaviour to the illuminati, BUT you can see the hand of the illuminati very clearly behined what she writes.

[link to www.amazon.co.uk]

Again very useful reading for us Brits as we follow like a cojoined twin.
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Considering the above, it made me think what other laws are being wiped out or perverted to reduce rights for the citizen and promote corporate interests.

Interesting areas to consider are areas of:

1. Food and water safety.
2. Access to a lawyer.
3. Habeus Corpus.
4. Lots of other things I can of.

But it seems the answer to what liberties have been lost in the interest of big government and coporations is everything and Obama has proven himself to be a big fat NWO puppet as much as Bush ever was.

SHOCKING ALERT!!! MARTIAL LAW IN USA BE AWARE!!!


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Further on "Third World America" 'How our politicians are abandoning the ordinary citizen' by Arianna Huffington.

Living in a corporategovernment (facist) state

Pg 69. 78% of medical bankruptcies HAD medical insurance.
Pg 70. Banks are so disorganised they are forclosing 'mistakenly'.

Rep. Alan Grayson: "Breaking and entering does not become legal just because a big bank does it."
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Connected to above a better video.

Fraudulent practices in bank foreclosures exposed

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Very good video.

Henry Kissinger - "Military Men Are Just Dumb, Stupid Animals To Be Used As Pawns In Foreign Policy"



The Army Are Waking Up
[link to www.youtube.com]
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Very good video.

Henry Kissinger - "Military Men Are Just Dumb, Stupid Animals To Be Used As Pawns In Foreign Policy"



The Army Are Waking Up

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Is it all part of some grand scheme? Is there a God? Are we good people?

All important questions.

Well there is a clear way to define yourself, that is by how you look at 911.

911 is the keystone, it is central to understanding the world we are living in today and where we are in that world.

Don't give a toss? We can never prove one way or another what happened? I believe in my government?

Well these are luxeries that we can no longer afford.

As Martin Luther King Jr said " There comes a time when silence is betrayal".

So is sitting on the fence, so is mindlessly accepting goverment accounts of 911 , when the investigation is so clearly flawed.

God has put us to the test. There is no ambiguity, are you with the "Evil Doers" or with the side of good?
When we examine the facts of 911, when we see that the laws of military defence protocol were abandoned, that the laws of physics were suspended, that the laws of probability were reversed, then our only way forward is to understand that 911 was an inside job, that the 'truth' we are presented with is lies and that our leaders are truly evil people.

So what are you going to do with that understanding?

Embrace love, embrace humanity, embrace justice and embrace God.

This can be our only legitamate response. Okay choosing to believe in God is a highly personal choice, but everything else afore stated is an obligation.

Then we have to continue educating ourselves and educate others.

Fuck the system, we have to be our own people, but also brothers and sisters united against this great evil.

Opposition to the Nazis - Sophie Scholl

Inside 9/11 - Who controlled the planes?


Pentagon Employee Says Plane Did Not Crash into Building - 911 Inside Job
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Is it all part of some grand scheme? Is there a God? Are we good people?

All important questions.

Well there is a clear way to define yourself, that is by how you look at 911.

911 is the keystone, it is central to understanding the world we are living in today and where we are in that world.

Don't give a toss? We can never prove one way or another what happened? I believe in my government?

Well these are luxeries that we can no longer afford.

As Martin Luther King Jr said " There comes a time when silence is betrayal".

So is sitting on the fence, so is mindlessly accepting goverment accounts of 911 , when the investigation is so clearly flawed.

God has put us to the test. There is no ambiguity, are you with the "Evil Doers" or with the side of good?
When we examine the facts of 911, when we see that the laws of military defence protocol were abandoned, that the laws of physics were suspended, that the laws of probability were reversed, then our only way forward is to understand that 911 was an inside job, that the 'truth' we are presented with is lies and that our leaders are truly evil people.

So what are you going to do with that understanding?

Embrace love, embrace humanity, embrace justice and embrace God.

This can be our only legitamate response. Okay choosing to believe in God is a highly personal choice, but everything else afore stated is an obligation.

Then we have to continue educating ourselves and educate others.

Fuck the system, we have to be our own people, but also brothers and sisters united against this great evil.

Opposition to the Nazis - Sophie Scholl

Inside 9/11 - Who controlled the planes?


Pentagon Employee Says Plane Did Not Crash into Building - 911 Inside Job

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September 11 Shocking Discovery!
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Interesting week for banks and the financial sector. The government announced that it would ease the banking reforms proposed by allowing banks to continue lending many times more than their actual assets to a factor of 50.

So when the banks get in trouble they again will have to be bailed out by the government with our money.

Also the £325 Billion that was printed (it was stated by a treusury select commitee member) in 'quantative easing' has not caused inflation.......because it all went to the banks and the banks have not circulated this money.

And it was announced that the government will give the banks a further £80 Billion so it will lend.

Er sorry, has the government no balls? Havebn't they thrown enough money at the banks? Is it not time for the government to initiate economic recovery programmes themselves instead of PRIVATISING an essential government RESPONSIBILITY?

It seems austerity for the masses and PIGS IN SHIT for the plutocrats, aristocracy, corporations and the establishment.

Now that really is cricket.
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Interesting week for banks and the financial sector. The government announced that it would ease the banking reforms proposed by allowing banks to continue lending many times more than their actual assets to a factor of 50.

So when the banks get in trouble they again will have to be bailed out by the government with our money.

Also the £325 Billion that was printed (it was stated by a treusury select commitee member) in 'quantative easing' has not caused inflation.......because it all went to the banks and the banks have not circulated this money.

And it was announced that the government will give the banks a further £80 Billion so it will lend.

Er sorry, has the government no balls? Havebn't they thrown enough money at the banks? Is it not time for the government to initiate economic recovery programmes themselves instead of PRIVATISING an essential government RESPONSIBILITY?

It seems austerity for the masses and PIGS IN SHIT for the plutocrats, aristocracy, corporations and the establishment.

Now that really is cricket.
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Interesting week for banks and the financial sector. The government announced that it would ease the banking reforms proposed by allowing banks to continue lending many times more than their actual assets to a factor of 50.


Sorry did I say lending? I should have said investing in fradulent financial scams.
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I had an interesting experience this week.

I was driving somewhere in the morning and stopped in traffic opposite a medievil looking church. i don't know how old it was but it looked the archetypal Cof E church. It was well maintained and incongruous in the suburban environment.

The entrance from the road was a chraming wooden gate and above the gate was a beautiful small bran rood type contruction supported by wonderful old timbers.

On the front of this gate construction ('a lytch gate') where the words:

'Built for the glory of.................@ and I expected to read.........'God'.

But it said: 'Built for the glory of Edward VIII'.

Now this got me thinking about the role of the established church in the UK and the monarchy.

Does the C of E worship God? Or does it worship the queen and the establishment?

Consider the diamond jubilee and the style of 'governance' by the queen. Does she not reign like a distant aloof God?

Was not the diamond jubilee a form of worship, of the very worst kind. The kind that the media complained of at the genuine grief that people felt over the murder of Diana?

How many people who purport to be Christian or believe in God have as much devotion for God as they appear to have for the queen?

As I have said before, the philosophical, moral and ethical values of the teachings of Christ are second to none and are worth following for that alone.

Yert in the all the Christian Churches, his teaching are buried and suppressed while racism, greed, selfishness, turning a blind eye to illegal wars and war crimes is permitted.

So as Christians are we going to allow our faith to be perverted and smothered, so we become manipulated into becoming cold hard and cynical people?

Or are we going to embrace the core values of Christianity and return to Gods loving embrace?
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I had an interesting experience this week.

I was driving somewhere in the morning and stopped in traffic opposite a medievil looking church. i don't know how old it was but it looked the archetypal Cof E church. It was well maintained and incongruous in the suburban environment.

The entrance from the road was a chraming wooden gate and above the gate was a beautiful small bran rood type contruction supported by wonderful old timbers.

On the front of this gate construction ('a lytch gate') where the words:

'Built for the glory of.................@ and I expected to read.........'God'.

But it said: 'Built for the glory of Edward VIII'.

Now this got me thinking about the role of the established church in the UK and the monarchy.

Does the C of E worship God? Or does it worship the queen and the establishment?

Consider the diamond jubilee and the style of 'governance' by the queen. Does she not reign like a distant aloof God?

Was not the diamond jubilee a form of worship, of the very worst kind. The kind that the media complained of at the genuine grief that people felt over the murder of Diana?

How many people who purport to be Christian or believe in God have as much devotion for God as they appear to have for the queen?

As I have said before, the philosophical, moral and ethical values of the teachings of Christ are second to none and are worth following for that alone.

Yert in the all the Christian Churches, his teaching are buried and suppressed while racism, greed, selfishness, turning a blind eye to illegal wars and war crimes is permitted.

So as Christians are we going to allow our faith to be perverted and smothered, so we become manipulated into becoming cold hard and cynical people?

Or are we going to embrace the core values of Christianity and return to Gods loving embrace?
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..seems nobody famous or in any sort of power ever dies of natural causes now...
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Well the NWO revolution is proceeding nicely.

The EU has succeded in the economic invasion and occupation of the smaller southern European states, resulting in pauperisation, starvation in Greece, banckruptcy etc.

So what remains to be done in the NWO plan of pain to create a new feudal age with mass extinction ( a great culling) of the herd of usless eaters?

Well the implementation of a police state, but to do that another false flag (mass murder) operation will have to be committed.

Blamed on Muslims and perhaps the poor, because it is in truth that needs to be oppressed and targeted.

So perhaps a combined operation between 'extremist muslims' and the occuppy movement, left wing terrorist group, annonymous, 911 truth movement?

Perhaps the peoples activists chosen to be the patsy have already been created, is already a known organisation or perhaps they will create one?


Then after the false flag operation that has to be so horrible and terrifying that it stuns people into aquiessing to anything, then will begin the arrests.

At night red flagged individuals (with no announcement caught unawares), then working down the priority list.

We must resist, but our weapons is love, non violence, respect, faith, information and sharing that information.

Violence and war is their game.

Le Chant des Partisans - French Resistance Song

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Two news articles concerning the UK caught my eye yesterday and today.

Today in the Daily Star Orwellian Double speak: Page 2.:

'Good News..Jobless Down But number on the Dole Up'????????

And Yesterday in the Guardian Front page, about the increasing number of school children coming to school hungry.

That I guess is a direct result of all the ocean of propoganda about lazy, lying, shiftless people on the dole.
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Please take a look at all of todays entries. Below interesting video.

Death Threat Silences 9/11 Truth Senator Mark Dayton
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Very interesting article in todays Morning Star page 13.

'Progress: A Party Within a Party'

[link to www.progressonline.org.uk]

It describes 'Ne Labour' (New [World Order] Labour), think tank/pressure group that guides much of what 'Labour' does. Much like a right wing radio channel that has it's token left wing presenter shepparded on his programme by a 'responsible' Thatcherite.

So Labour has the ball and chain of 'Progress'.

Supported by the likes of Mandy Mandelson ("The era of sovereign states is coming to an end"), worshipping Blair, and working hard to hamstring any real policies that support working people while promoting Thatcherism.

Who funds 'Progress [to a NWO]? Lord Sainsbury. What does the illuminati do? Funds both sides.

Now lets think logically.

Progress is the establishments (Illuminati) method (one of them) of Thatcherising the Labour Party. They have existed overtly since 1996, but were probably in covert existence way before then. When exactly? Since before Blair came to power?

Blair who is a proven far right, murdering, war criminal satanist Nazi.

So was it 'Progress' that chose Blair (who was probably a member when it was covert). And was it progress (a corporate supported clique) who murdered John Smith? With ofcourse the help of MI5/6, Mossad, CIA? Same shit.

Peter Mandelson on Progress Labour 'think tank' (17Jun12)


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I posted this on the thread:

Scientist Prove DNA Can Be Reprogrammed by Words and Frequencies. Can create wormholes with our dna. By John Goz

It's one of the key things that gives me courage, hope and values.
I've posted it before, but quite a while ago.

The Day I Died 1- NDE Documentary Part 1 of 6
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Examine the two letters below, contrast, compare and extrapolate.

What does it tell us about the people that wrote them, what does it tell us about their social, political class and how they see the world?

Sir, your leading article ("Morality, money and tax" June 2) makes the assertion that there is no moral case for a resident of this country to be forced to pay wildly more than his neighbour for identical state services. A tiny minority of just over 300 000 people are being compelled by law individually to contribute far more to the nations economy than the cost of the benefits they stand to receive. Is this a fair tax?

This redistribution of wealth may have political traction, and assuage the envy of the mob, but to confuse Marxism with morality is simply perverse.

The hypocritical cant about the government's obligation to make us all behave morally is both otiose and offensive. The government was not voted in by us to improve our morals, but to manage the country. Its brief is to bring laws into force and to ensure laws are adhered to.

What does that letter tell you about he and his clique see us?

The 2nd letter below.

Sir, Politicians and journalists are too quick to refer to tax avoidance as "perfectly legal". At best the legality of many of these schemes is "untested". Indeed success often depends on a lack of of challenge by an underfunded and incompetent KM Revenue & Customs. If a scheme is shown to be legal, it would be closed down in legislation.
Schemes are assumed to be legal if they are blessed by tax counsel. But often this blessing is little more than "In my opinion this scheme has a reasonable/good/better than even chance of success. And the independence of this advice is questionable. Tax advisers are part of the tax avoidance sales team and practitioners often have their "favourites". What sorts the men from the boys is not the technical innovation but the willingness to add the blessing quoted above. Many of the larger practitioners would not touch these schemes with a bargepole. Arguments about moral repugnance are a red herring.
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Examine the two letters below, contrast, compare and extrapolate.

What does it tell us about the people that wrote them, what does it tell us about their social, political class and how they see the world?

Sir, your leading article ("Morality, money and tax" June 2) makes the assertion that there is no moral case for a resident of this country to be forced to pay wildly more than his neighbour for identical state services. A tiny minority of just over 300 000 people are being compelled by law individually to contribute far more to the nations economy than the cost of the benefits they stand to receive. Is this a fair tax?

This redistribution of wealth may have political traction, and assuage the envy of the mob, but to confuse Marxism with morality is simply perverse.

The hypocritical cant about the government's obligation to make us all behave morally is both otiose and offensive. The government was not voted in by us to improve our morals, but to manage the country. Its brief is to bring laws into force and to ensure laws are adhered to.

What does that letter tell you about he and his clique see us?

The 2nd letter below.

Sir, Politicians and journalists are too quick to refer to tax avoidance as "perfectly legal". At best the legality of many of these schemes is "untested". Indeed success often depends on a lack of of challenge by an underfunded and incompetent KM Revenue & Customs. If a scheme is shown to be legal, it would be closed down in legislation.
Schemes are assumed to be legal if they are blessed by tax counsel. But often this blessing is little more than "In my opinion this scheme has a reasonable/good/better than even chance of success. And the independence of this advice is questionable. Tax advisers are part of the tax avoidance sales team and practitioners often have their "favourites". What sorts the men from the boys is not the technical innovation but the willingness to add the blessing quoted above. Many of the larger practitioners would not touch these schemes with a bargepole. Arguments about moral repugnance are a red herring.
 Quoting: A Brit 18504534


Now considering the above:

1. How many politicians from all three parties feel the same as the first letter?
2. How are we all in this (recession) together if tax avoidance can be practised so freely.
3. Evidence that the government supports tax avoidance can be found in the fact that funding to HMRC has been cut.
4. So it seems that Jonny of the mob pays his taxes, gets lectured about dole and benefits scroungers incessantly, is the mug, because the rich are paying 1%.
5. While Jonny gets no wage rise, pay cuts, increase in local taxes, fined for illegally parking, increases in cost of living, Lord Withering-Bum-Folteroy OBE is doing very well.

We're all in this together? ARE WE FUCK.

Class war? Yes and it's the rich that hate and detest the mob (the people), whereas we are happy sheep that get pulled by the nose wherever our "democratic" system chooses to take us, which is from one shit sandwich to another.