keeping to historical and archeological facts,is there proof jesus did not exist ?theres overwhelming proof he did,wondering about the other side of the coin.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 491052 8/25/2008 9:18 PM
keeping to historical and archeological facts,is there proof jesus did not exist ?theres overwhelming proof he did,wondering about the other side of the coin.
Quoting: fallenmonk 439292
Your "logic" is flawed. You *cannot* prove that something DOES NOT EXIST. You can only prove that something DOES EXIST.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 358882 8/25/2008 9:20 PM
keeping to historical and archeological facts,is there proof jesus did not exist ?theres overwhelming proof he did,wondering about the other side of the coin.
Your "logic" is flawed. You *cannot* prove that something DOES NOT EXIST. You can only prove that something DOES EXIST.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 491052
Nor is there overwhelming proof he did exist, actually the opposite is closer to the truth.
King Neptune If home is what has been found... User ID: 304696 8/25/2008 9:23 PM
keeping to historical and archeological facts,is there proof jesus did not exist ?theres overwhelming proof he did,wondering about the other side of the coin.
Quoting: fallenmonk 439292
actually, there is very little evidence to support the existence of a man of nazareth named "Yeheshua" (Jesus) who was Christed
BUT
as the rules of logic dictate - Absence of evidence does not equal evidence of absence
the back and forth argument between people about such is a null one... and it is rather annoying as each side bickers and bitches for a moot point.
how about ponder the meaning of his words instead? In all things, i am flowing back thru and in and out, within and without and beyond them.
This is the Cosm. This is both I and You.
I am the Truth, and I am the Lie - I am the very spark of the Divine!
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DOOM - It's What's For Dinner!
A.K.A - Aresh, Awakened Me, An Ominous Coward (Howard), The Goddess Pandora, Aumon Haht Fith Ashai, Within The Flower and a few others...
King Neptune If home is what has been found... User ID: 304696 8/25/2008 9:43 PM
There is much evidence to prove that a man named Jesus existed. What can't be proven is that Jesus was Crucified for our sins or that Jesus was the Savior.
Only faith can do that, prove to you that He was something more than just a rebel who irritated the Pharisees to the point they had Him crucified. And that He was resurrected on the 3rd day(3rd Day Rising) by the eye witness accounts by hundreds of believers, but for people today not to believe is not suprising. People alive in the area where Christ was crucified and resurrected did not believe in His resurrection due to their lack of faith.
And bickering does nothing to solve that. Faith is a gift from God, not a debate. If you have not been given that gift yet, no amount of debate will convince you. You have a gift save the ones you can.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 487804 8/25/2008 9:44 PM
keeping to historical and archeological facts,is there proof jesus did not exist ?theres overwhelming proof he did,wondering about the other side of the coin.
Quoting: fallenmonk 439292
You can NOT prove a negative.
And you apparently have a VERY low threshold of 'overwhelming'.
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 452321 8/25/2008 10:04 PM
Peter and Paul prove the existence... Why do you think they went to Rome..
What kind of proof are you looking for? the proof is in the writing..
There is historical proof of Peter and Paul and the other disciples..
Whether you believe he rose on the third day.. is up to you.. but
yes Jesus walked the earth.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 490519 8/26/2008 3:32 AM
There is much evidence to prove that a man named Jesus existed. What can't be proven is that Jesus was Crucified for our sins or that Jesus was the Savior.
Only faith can do that, prove to you that He was something more than just a rebel who irritated the Pharisees to the point they had Him crucified. And that He was resurrected on the 3rd day(3rd Day Rising) by the eye witness accounts by hundreds of believers, but for people today not to believe is not suprising. People alive in the area where Christ was crucified and resurrected did not believe in His resurrection due to their lack of faith.
And bickering does nothing to solve that. Faith is a gift from God, not a debate. If you have not been given that gift yet, no amount of debate will convince you.
Quoting: King Neptune
There is proof Jesus actually existed? Please, share with the class what this proof is.
What is the concrete proof the man actually lived? If you know something the rest of the world has missed for 2000 years, we, and I'm speaking for the world here, would like to see it. Please show us somewhere where there is some record of his existence. Interestingly enough, there are records from that time period which still exist. Nowhere in those reports of the time is Jesus, or anyone like him mentioned. Just show me something. A record of birth, death (since he was crucified in such a public forum, and amid such controversy, there should be SOME record of his death) A credit card statement, a check stub, a library card, a blockbuster card....something
When you talk about faith, and YOUR faith, you are using your personal faith as proof of something existing as a tangible material thing. You have nothing concrete to prove your point, so you fall back on the "faith" card. I can have faith that the reason Mars is red, is because, it's actually covered in pizza sauce. Since no one has yet been there, there is no proof I'm right or wrong, so in this case, my faith is as strong as the truth of the situation.
Please stop confusing your faith, and what you WANT to believe with the actual historical facts of the time.
If your faith brings you peace, and helps you in your daily life, I'm happy for you. But, again, please, stop confusing what you choose to believe with the reality of the world.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 490722 8/26/2008 4:26 AM
Last year I was pretty pissed off at God. I was about to the point where I was going to abandon my faith.
I was going to live life however I wanted to regardless of the consequences. Having lived in a realm of spiritual heat for 4 years I figured it couldn't get any worse than that and I survived.
And then a friend of mine I hadn't heard from for a year emailed me and asked "Did you see that movie about your life?"
Which might have seemed strange, but after watching the advertisements for The Guardian I had the same impression my friend did.
Even more so since my friend had no idea that I was planning on abandoning my faith, and in the trailer on TV it said "This fall his toughest battle will be saving one of his own." Followed by words written on the screen, "Your darkest hour can be your finest moment"
Not to mention my still remaining desire for my old job, "You can't always be the one in the water..."
The strangest thing is that the neither the writers or the filmers of the movie have any knowledge of me, let alone my once planned attempt to abandon my faith, and I would have except I had seen this movie.
So, is evolution a bust?
A friend of mine not of my faith, but another religion who I hadn't heard from for a few years wrote me when the movie trailer came out for the Guardian. He said in the email, "Did you see that movie about your life?"
Notice these two lines in the movie trailer and my own spiritual strayings which cost me several years lost from my life, and shortly after I left Mormonism because I found out the Mormons had lied to me I thought there was no God, and that I could live the way I did before I was baptized.
These two lines prevented me from abandoning my faith.
"This fall His toughest battle will be saving one of His own"
"Your darkest (spiritual) hour can be your finest moment." You have a gift save the ones you can.
King Neptune If home is what has been found... User ID: 304696 8/26/2008 11:11 AM
Harry Potter has something in common with Jake Fisher and me.
Harry in one of the later movies jumps into the Black Lake and saves a bunch of people, essentially performing the duties of a rescue swimmer.
Harry is like Jake the only surviving member of his team, his parents were destroyed by the Dark Lord. My own parents were both spiritually destroyed temporarily. My father due to combat stress, and eventually my mother due to her divorce from him.
Harry has a family like me, but not an immediate family. Harry has lost his team.
The number 2 is associated with both Jake and Harry. Jake wears a 2 on his back, and has a gift to save people by being a miracle.
Harry is also a miracle in a way by surviving a struggle with the Dark Lord. And when Harry comes out of the Black Lake (possibly a representation of spiritual darkness) he saves himself and a lot of other people.
One girl remarks to Harry. "My little sister, you saved her, even though she was not yours to save". And the judges award Harry with 2nd place (2). You have a gift save the ones you can.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 491311 8/26/2008 11:12 AM
Josephus the Historian refers to Jesus at least twice by name in his writings. Josephus ben Matthias is the best known ancient Jewish historian. He was born in 37 CE, only a few years after Jesus' execution. Josephus was well educated in biblical law and history. On his mother's side he was a descendent of the Hasmonean Kings. On his father's side he came from a priestly family. Josephus counted among his friends Agrippa II. His life took some dramatic turns in 66 CE, when the Jews in Palestine revolted against Roman rule. Although Josephus was only 29 at the time, he was given command of the Jewish forces in Galilee. His forces were no match for the Romans and were utterly defeated. Josephus survived, however, and became an advisor to the Roman general Vespasian by prophesying that the general would become the Roman Emperor. Not so amazingly, in 69 CE Vespasian did become Emperor. As a result, Josephus' stock went up and Vespasian returned to Rome to run the Empire. Vespasian's son, Titus, was given the responsibility of completing the war against the Jews. Titus used Josephus as an interpreter and spokesman to the Jewish forces in Jerusalem. Josephus was berated by the Jews of Jerusalem after he repeatedly called on them to surrender to the Roman forces. Eventually, in 70 CE, the Romans crushed the revolt and destroyed Jerusalem.
Antiquities of the Jews - Book 18
CHAPTER 3.
SEDITION OF THE JEWS AGAINST PONTIUS PILATE. CONCERNING CHRIST, AND WHAT BEFELL PAULINA AND THE JEWS AT ROME,
3. Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man; for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ. And when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, (9) those that loved him at the first did not forsake him; for he appeared to them alive again the third day; (10) as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him. And the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day.
Jewish Antiquities 18.3.3
Antiquities of the Jews - Book 20
CHAPTER 9.
CONCERNING ALBINUS UNDER WHOSE PROCURATORSHIP JAMES WAS SLAIN; AS ALSO WHAT EDIFICES WERE BUILT BY AGRIPPA.
1. AND now Caesar, upon hearing the death of Festus, sent Albinus into Judea, as procurator. But the king deprived Joseph of the high priesthood, and bestowed the succession to that dignity on the son of Ananus, who was also himself called Ananus. Now the report goes that this eldest Ananus proved a most fortunate man; for he had five sons who had all performed the office of a high priest to God, and who had himself enjoyed that dignity a long time formerly, which had never happened to any other of our high priests. But this younger Ananus, who, as we have told you already, took the high priesthood, was a bold man in his temper, and very insolent; he was also of the sect of the Sadducees, (23) who are very rigid in judging offenders, above all the rest of the Jews, as we have already observed; when, therefore, Ananus was of this disposition, he thought he had now a proper opportunity [to exercise his authority]. Festus was now dead, and Albinus was but upon the road; so he assembled the sanhedrim of judges, and brought before them the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James, and some others, [or, some of his companions]; and when he had formed an accusation against them as breakers of the law, he delivered them to be stoned: but as for those who seemed the most equitable of the citizens, and such as were the most uneasy at the breach of the laws, they disliked what was done; they also sent to the king [Agrippa], desiring him to send to Ananus that he should act so no more, for that what he had already done was not to be justified; nay, some of them went also to meet Albinus, as he was upon his journey from Alexandria, and informed him that it was not lawful for Ananus to assemble a sanhedrim without his consent. (24) Whereupon Albinus complied with what they said, and wrote in anger to Ananus, and threatened that he would bring him to punishment for what he had done; on which king Agrippa took the high priesthood from him, when he had ruled but three months, and made Jesus, the son of Damneus, high priest.
Jewish Antiquities 20.9.1
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