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Kremlin announces merging of South Ossetia with Russia
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8/29/2008 6:02 PM
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From The Times
August 30, 2008
Kremlin announces that South Ossetia will join 'one united Russian state'
Tony Halpin in Moscow
The Kremlin moved swiftly to tighten its grip on Georgia’s breakaway regions yesterday as South Ossetia announced that it would soon become part of Russia, which will open military bases in the province under an agreement to be signed on Tuesday.
Tarzan Kokoity, the province’s Deputy Speaker of parliament, announced that South Ossetia would be absorbed into Russia soon so that its people could live in “one united Russian state” with their ethnic kin in North Ossetia.
The declaration came only three days after Russia defied international criticism and recognised South Ossetia and Georgia’s other separatist region of Abkhazia as independent states. Eduard Kokoity, South Ossetia’s leader, agreed that it would form part of Russia within “several years” during talks with Dmitri Medvedev, the Russian President, in Moscow.
The disclosure will expose Russia to accusations that it is annexing land regarded internationally as part of Georgia. Until now, the Kremlin has insisted that its troops intervened solely to protect South Ossetia and Abkhazia from Georgian “aggression”.
Interfax news quoted an unidentified Russian official as saying that Moscow also planned to establish two bases in Abkhazia. Sergei Shamba, Abkhazia’s Foreign Minister, said that an agreement on military co-operation would be signed within a month.
The Russian Foreign Ministry confirmed that agreements on “peace, co-operation and mutual assistance with Abkhazia and South Ossetia” were being prepared on the orders of President Medvedev. Abkhazia said that it would ask Russia to represent its interests abroad.
Georgia announced that it was recalling all diplomatic staff from its embassy in Moscow in protest at the continued Russian occupation of its land in defiance of a ceasefire agreement brokered by President Sarkozy of France. The parliament in Tbilisi declared Abkhazia and South Ossetia to be under Russian occupation.
Gigi Tsereteli, the Vice-Speaker, dismissed the threat of South Ossetia becoming part of Russia, saying: “The world has already become different and Russia will not long be able to occupy sovereign Georgian territory.
“The regimes of Abkhazia and South Ossetia should think about the fact that if they become part of Russia, they will be assimilated, and in this way they will disappear.”
Lado Gurgenidze, the Prime Minister of Georgia, scrapped agreements that had permitted Russian peacekeepers to operate in the two regions after wars in the early 1990s. He called for their replacement by international troops.
Vyacheslav Kovalenko, Moscow’s Ambassador to Georgia, described Tbilisi’s decision to sever relations as “a step towards further escalation of tensions with Russia and the desire to drive the situation into an even worse deadlock”.
Russia attacked the G7 after the United States, Britain, France, Germany, Italy, Canada and Japan condemned its “excessive use of military force in Georgia”. In a joint statement, they had called on Russia to “implement in full” the French ceasefire agreement.
The Foreign Ministry said that the G7 was “justifying Georgian acts of aggression” and insisted that Moscow had met its obligations under the six-point agreement.
Having been rebuffed on Thursday by China and four Central Asian states, Russia will seek support next week from the Collective Security Treaty Organisation (CSTO) for its recognition of Abkhazia and South Ossetia. The CSTO comprises Russia and the former Soviet republics of Armenia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan.
The signing of the military agreement with South Ossetia will take place the day after an emergency summit of European Union leaders to discuss the crisis. The French presidency of the EU said that sanctions against Russia were not being considered, contradicting an earlier statement by Bernard Kouchner, the Foreign Minister.
Russia told the EU that any sanctions would be damaging to both sides. Andrei Nesterenko, a Foreign Ministry official, said: “We hope that common sense will prevail over emotions and that EU leaders will find the strength to reject a one-sided assessment of the conflict . . . Neither party needs the confrontation towards which some countries are being energetically pushed by the EU.”
Russia also lashed out at Nato, saying that it had “no moral right” to pass judgment on the recognition of Abkhazia and South Ossetia. The Foreign Ministry said: “Further sliding to confrontation with Russia and attempts to put pressure on us are unacceptable, as they can entail irreversible consequences in the military-political climate and in stability on the continent.”
The US confirmed that the flagship of its Sixth Fleet, the USS Mount Whitney, would deliver aid to Georgia next week. Two other warships are moored off Georgia’s Black Sea port of Batumi, and Russia has ordered its fleet to take “precautionary measures”.
Mr Medvedev has accused the US of shipping weapons to Georgia along with aid, a claim dismissed as “ridiculous” by the White House.
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 487016 (OP)
8/29/2008 6:06 PM | | Re: Kremlin announces merging of South Ossetia with Russia | Quote |
That puts paid to the tie-chewing Georgian dictator's plans. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 483065
8/29/2008 6:23 PM | | Re: Kremlin announces merging of South Ossetia with Russia | Quote |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 433203
8/29/2008 6:33 PM | | Re: Kremlin announces merging of South Ossetia with Russia | Quote |
where's all those "THERE IS NO USSR ANYMORE" tards now?
Mods you should pin this... |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 487016 (OP)
8/29/2008 6:37 PM | | Re: Kremlin announces merging of South Ossetia with Russia | Quote |
South Ossetia was ALWAYS Russian, and you know it. That's why it was attacked - in order to provoke the Russians. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 483065
8/29/2008 6:37 PM | | Re: Kremlin announces merging of South Ossetia with Russia | Quote |
If you put together Bush words Bush urges Medvedev not to recognize Georgia breakaways with this declaration -> Its exactly the same to make a war declaration. |
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G. House
User ID: 493532
8/29/2008 6:39 PM
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Recognize their independance to "absorb" them?
Freedom?
I thought the S. Ossetians wanted freedom?
Was there some sort of election to be "absorbed"?
No wonder the Georgians cut diplomatic relations. |
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[vishuz] 
Ganja smoker :]
User ID: 432360
8/29/2008 6:40 PM
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Where are the new maps?
Russia just gained some land... lol.
[link to myspace.com] |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 333904
8/29/2008 6:40 PM | | Re: Kremlin announces merging of South Ossetia with Russia | Quote |
If you put together Bush words Bush urges Medvedev not to recognize Georgia breakaways with this declaration -> Its exactly the same to make a war declaration. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 483065
IMO they have already declared something (perhaps a cold war?) when the Kremlin publicly accused the USA of inciting the war thus the "genocide" of Russian citizens and the killings of Russian "peace keepers" in South-Ossetia. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 333904
8/29/2008 6:42 PM | | Re: Kremlin announces merging of South Ossetia with Russia | Quote |
^^ LOL, I wonder how people would react if Bush accuses Russia of inciting a genocide of American citizens and the killing of American peace keepers. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 483065
8/29/2008 6:59 PM | | Re: Kremlin announces merging of South Ossetia with Russia | Quote |
for pin |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 487016 (OP)
8/29/2008 7:03 PM | | Re: Kremlin announces merging of South Ossetia with Russia | Quote |
Recognize their independance to "absorb" them?
Freedom?
I thought the S. Ossetians wanted freedom?
Was there some sort of election to be "absorbed"?
No wonder the Georgians cut diplomatic relations. Quoting: G. House
No need for an election. The people attacked were Russians who feel loyal to Russia. Would you first have an election amongst Americans living on the border of Mexico if the Mexicons had attacked them? LOL!
Oh, dear! Yet another weak argument, G. House. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 487016 (OP)
8/29/2008 7:03 PM | | Re: Kremlin announces merging of South Ossetia with Russia | Quote |
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Where are the new maps?
Russia just gained some land... lol. Quoting: [vishuz
Nope. They just REGAINED some old land. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 333904
8/29/2008 7:10 PM | | Re: Kremlin announces merging of South Ossetia with Russia | Quote |
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Where are the new maps?
Russia just gained some land... lol.
Nope. They just REGAINED some old land. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 487016
You mean after the Russian empire annexed it in the 19th century? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 433203
8/29/2008 7:19 PM | | Re: Kremlin announces merging of South Ossetia with Russia | Quote |
Recognize their independance to "absorb" them?
Freedom?
I thought the S. Ossetians wanted freedom?
Was there some sort of election to be "absorbed"?
No wonder the Georgians cut diplomatic relations. Quoting: G. House
Nope they were suckered....
Who still thinks the USSR isn't alive and well.....
and expanding...
Abkhazia is next and then on through the Ukraine...
Europe and America have proven to the soviets that they have no balls. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 492804
8/29/2008 7:22 PM | | Re: Kremlin announces merging of South Ossetia with Russia | Quote |
good! they broke away from georgia because they wanted away, no one should tell them they have to stay where they didn't want to be. stupid bush! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 492804
8/29/2008 7:24 PM | | Re: Kremlin announces merging of South Ossetia with Russia | Quote |
Recognize their independance to "absorb" them?
Freedom?
I thought the S. Ossetians wanted freedom?
Was there some sort of election to be "absorbed"?
No wonder the Georgians cut diplomatic relations. Quoting: G. House |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 333904
8/29/2008 7:27 PM | | Re: Kremlin announces merging of South Ossetia with Russia | Quote |
good! they broke away from georgia because they wanted away, no one should tell them they have to stay where they didn't want to be. stupid bush! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 492804
I agree! Chechnya and Taiwan should be independent too for example. |
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G. House
User ID: 493532
8/29/2008 7:29 PM
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Recognize their independance to "absorb" them?
Freedom?
I thought the S. Ossetians wanted freedom?
Was there some sort of election to be "absorbed"?
No wonder the Georgians cut diplomatic relations.
No need for an election. The people attacked were Russians who feel loyal to Russia. Would you first have an election amongst Americans living on the border of Mexico if the Mexicons had attacked them? LOL!
Oh, dear! Yet another weak argument, G. House. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 487016
The hell it is.
The Russians recognize the S. Ossetians independance, yet are going to "absorb" them?
No election, they just do it?
No conflict in that at all?
This forum is so transparently filled with anti-West shills. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1978
8/29/2008 7:29 PM | | Re: Kremlin announces merging of South Ossetia with Russia | Quote |
Hoo hoo, this guy's great .. what superior strategy, wonder which one came up with that idea, brilliant !
I'm impressed, and prepared for more ! Experience counts .
United they stand, we used to do that too, didn't we ? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 493562
8/29/2008 7:30 PM | | Re: Kremlin announces merging of South Ossetia with Russia | Quote |
Recognize their independance to "absorb" them?
Freedom?
I thought the S. Ossetians wanted freedom?
Was there some sort of election to be "absorbed"?
No wonder the Georgians cut diplomatic relations. Quoting: G. House
And the Glorious Jumerikan Occupation Forces will be leaving Iraq WHEN? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 487089
8/29/2008 7:31 PM | | Re: Kremlin announces merging of South Ossetia with Russia | Quote |
Recognize their independance to "absorb" them?
Freedom?
I thought the S. Ossetians wanted freedom?
Was there some sort of election to be "absorbed"?
No wonder the Georgians cut diplomatic relations.
No need for an election. The people attacked were Russians who feel loyal to Russia. Would you first have an election amongst Americans living on the border of Mexico if the Mexicons had attacked them? LOL!
Oh, dear! Yet another weak argument, G. House.
The hell it is.
The Russians recognize the S. Ossetians independance, yet are going to "absorb" them?
No election, they just do it?
No conflict in that at all?
This forum is so transparently filled with anti-West shills. Quoting: G. House
Do as I say, not as I do.... |
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G. House
User ID: 493532
8/29/2008 7:32 PM
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Where are the new maps?
Russia just gained some land... lol.
Nope. They just REGAINED some old land.
You mean after the Russian empire annexed it in the 19th century? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 333904
Georgia was independent after the 1917 Russian Revolution.
The Red Army invaded in 1921 and Georgia was FORCED to become a part of the USSR in 1922. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 333904
8/29/2008 7:33 PM | | Re: Kremlin announces merging of South Ossetia with Russia | Quote |
Hoo hoo, this guy's great .. what superior strategy, wonder which one came up with that idea, brilliant !
I'm impressed, and prepared for more ! Experience counts .
United they stand, we used to do that too, didn't we ? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1978
Yeah lol, especially handing out South-Osettians Russian passports and still having Russian soldiers stationed as "peace keepers". |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 487089
8/29/2008 7:36 PM | | Re: Kremlin announces merging of South Ossetia with Russia | Quote |
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Where are the new maps?
Russia just gained some land... lol.
Nope. They just REGAINED some old land.
You mean after the Russian empire annexed it in the 19th century?
Georgia was independant after the 1917 Russian Revolution.
The Red Army invaded in 1921 and Georgia was FORCED to become a part of the USSR in 1922. Quoting: G. House
It's "independent"
and Israel did not exist in 1917 either, more stolen land? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 490599
8/29/2008 7:36 PM | | Re: Kremlin announces merging of South Ossetia with Russia | Quote |
Recognize their independance to "absorb" them?
Freedom?
I thought the S. Ossetians wanted freedom?
Was there some sort of election to be "absorbed"?
No wonder the Georgians cut diplomatic relations. Quoting: G. House
Who the fuck taught you your particular logic system? It all works both ways unless you feel the need to be called a despot. |
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G. House
User ID: 493532
8/29/2008 7:37 PM
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And the Glorious Jumerikan Occupation Forces will be leaving Iraq WHEN? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 493562
I don't remember that after 3 weeks we declared that we would "absorb" Iraq.
When will we leave?
Probably right after the Iraqis stop killing each other.
Which means we will be there a long time. |
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shipovfools
User ID: 493552
8/29/2008 7:37 PM | | Re: Kremlin announces merging of South Ossetia with Russia | Quote |
So, this is big, right?
I was following the story intently at first, but since the cease-fire, the whole conflict seemed to be dying down.
But now this? I haven't seen any kind of reaction or response from the US yet. Does this mean the "aid" we are supposedly supplying is now going to include missiles and soldiers? |
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Rebekah
User ID: 482675
8/29/2008 7:40 PM
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i hate to say it but
told ya so
i've been saying this since the beginning.
“Prepare your proof before you argue”
- Jewish Proverb
okay, this is me [link to profiles.yahoo.com] |
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G. House
User ID: 493532
8/29/2008 7:42 PM
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Recognize their independance to "absorb" them?
Freedom?
I thought the S. Ossetians wanted freedom?
Was there some sort of election to be "absorbed"?
No wonder the Georgians cut diplomatic relations.
No need for an election. The people attacked were Russians who feel loyal to Russia. Would you first have an election amongst Americans living on the border of Mexico if the Mexicons had attacked them? LOL!
Oh, dear! Yet another weak argument, G. House.
The hell it is.
The Russians recognize the S. Ossetians independance, yet are going to "absorb" them?
No election, they just do it?
No conflict in that at all?
This forum is so transparently filled with anti-West shills.
Do as I say, not as I do.... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 487089
WTF are you talking about?
What countries have we "absorbed"?
France?
Germany?
Italy?
Japan?
Korea?
Grenada?
Panama? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 333904
8/29/2008 7:43 PM | | Re: Kremlin announces merging of South Ossetia with Russia | Quote |
So, this is big, right?
... Quoting: shipovfools 493552
Well after the Kremlin accused America for inciting a war that lead to the "genocide" on Russian citizens and the killings if Russian peace keepers in South-Ossetia, I don't think it will be "business as usual". |
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