Kremlin announces merging of South Ossetia with Russia

Recognize their independance to "absorb" them?

Freedom?

I thought the S. Ossetians wanted freedom?

Was there some sort of election to be "absorbed"?

No wonder the Georgians cut diplomatic relations.

No need for an election. The people attacked were Russians who feel loyal to Russia. Would you first have an election amongst Americans living on the border of Mexico if the Mexicons had attacked them? LOL!

Oh, dear! Yet another weak argument, G. House.

good! they broke away from georgia because they wanted away, no one should tell them they have to stay where they didn't want to be. stupid bush!

I agree! Chechnya and Taiwan should be independent too for example.

Aaaah feck, especially the words "...most likely to pledge American military assistance..." is quite worrying.

South Ossetia was ALWAYS Russian, and you know it. That's why it was attacked - in order to provoke the Russians.

Time for the US to start distributing passports in Venezuela! (As long as we've decided that stealing countries is OK)

Time for the US to start distributing passports in Venezuela! (As long as we've decided that stealing countries is OK)


You are late, buddy.

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Chavez backs Russian recognition of Georgia regions

Russia is going to get fucked in the ass if they mess w/ the ukraine.

Russia is going to get fucked in the ass if they mess w/ the ukraine.


what is ukraine? so many new obscure republics I heard recently. Abhazia, Creamia? LOL.

Time for the US to start distributing passports in Venezuela! (As long as we've decided that stealing countries is OK)


You are late, buddy.

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Chavez backs Russian recognition of Georgia regions



Of course he does! Failed gay porn actors have to stick together!

:v1ad1: :n0gays:

Russia is going to get fucked in the ass if they mess w/ the ukraine.


what is ukraine? so many new obscure republics I heard recently. Abhazia, Creamia? LOL.

ignorance is bliss.

the ukraine will be the germany of the first cold war

Time for the US to start distributing passports in Venezuela! (As long as we've decided that stealing countries is OK)


You are late, buddy.

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Chavez backs Russian recognition of Georgia regions



Of course he does! Failed gay porn actors have to stick together!

:v1ad1: :n0gays:

The Forsaken

During the 1930s, work was hard to find in the United States and for the first time more people were leaving than arriving. Many opted for the USSR, the vaunted worker’s paradise where, as legend had it, scientific socialism prevailed, as opposed to the chaos of capitalism. The Forsaken: An American Tragedy in Stalin’s Russia, tells their story, and a lot more.

Some were committed communists but most were ordinary American workers, mechanics, machinists, electricians, a multi-tasking group. They arrived full of enthusiasm and played baseball in Gorky Park, unaware that their exploitation had already begun and their demise would not be long delayed. They may have got a hint when the Soviets grabbed their passports, which the regime later used to insert spies into the United States.

In the USSR, the Americans became “witness to, and victims of, the most sustained campaign of state terror in modern history.” That judgment comes in the early going, a clue that author Tim Tzouliadis sees this horror story with clarity. No moral equivalence between USA and USSR in this account.

The master terrorist was Stalin, who targeted the Americans as wreckers, spies and saboteurs. According to the logic, socialism is perfect so if things are not going well, and they weren’t, it can only be due to deliberate sabotage. The Americans not summarily executed disappeared into prisons and slave labor camps. It was terror on a scale that beggared belief, and the author, a documentary filmmaker and television journalist, has assembled the tragic stories. There is no photo section, which would have given faces to the names.

Consider the case of Arthur Talent, a gifted violinist who came to study at the Moscow Conservatory. He was arrested, tortured, and executed at the age of 21. In other cases, the Soviets reasoned that if they released a certain prisoner he might be used to criticize the USSR, so they killed them. Many others perished in the Gulag, where they had been transported in American ships and American trucks, to work in conditions far worse than any slavery to that time. These Americans were truly forsaken, by their own government.

Tzouliadis shows how Joseph Davies, Roosevelt’s ambassador to the USSR, knew full well about their cases but did nothing. The forsaken Americans got no help from Harry Hopkins, Henry Wallace or Stalinist devotees such as Paul Robeson. For the Soviets’ alibi armory, the attitude was your country, right or wrong. Any criticism would play into the hands of anti-communists, and the forsaken Americans were on the wrong end of that dynamic, which lives on to this day.

Some of the material, such as Walter Duranty’s New York Times falsification of the Ukraine famine, will be familiar to those well acquainted with the literature. The Forsaken will serve as a well-documented gateway to the wider literature, and its account of Stalin’s fathomless evil is particularly chilling. Tzouliadis goes the second mile on the Nazi-Soviet Pact, the murder of the Polish officers in the Katyn forest, Stalin’s show trials of the old Bolsheviks, and the wider historical background. It will be good for readers to know that the Soviets took over some of the same concentrations camps the Nazis had used, and deployed them in the same deadly cause, with the same efficiency. Here the Soviet regime comes off as much worse, and of course it lasted much longer than National Socialist Germany.

Stalin’s Great Terror did not end in the late 1930s. Here are the stories of American servicemen who had been taken captive by the Germans and whom the Soviets carted off to the Gulag, where they stayed through the Cold War. American general John Deane wrote them off as “spoils of war, won by the Soviets. They may be robbed, starved and abused – and no one has the right to question such treatment.” As the author noted, the Americans unacknowledged presence would remain an official secret, guarded by the American and Soviet governments, until the fall of the Soviet Union.

Some of those who had played baseball in Gorky Park, such as Thomas Sgovio, miraculously survived past that time. What of the countless others? The best hope, according to Tzouliadis, is the archives of the former KGB, where “three quarters of the archival evidence has yet to be examined.” Unfortunately, “while the KGB archives and Stalin’s personal archives remain closed, there is little cause for optimism.” The author is well aware that Vladimir Putin is a former KGB boss and that Stalin is enjoying a revival while journalists get murdered in Russia.

“In the Soviet Union there was never a victorious army to expose the consequences of Stalin’s rule,” writes Tzouliadis, “nor would there ever be a Nuremberg. Instead the victims of Kolyma and every other terminal point of the Gulag remained concealed even as the killings continued unabated.”

The Forsaken is indeed an American tragedy but also a cautionary tale and chronicle of shame. The United States should own up to the way it abandoned its own citizens in deference to a totalitarian state and its gangster rulers. It is perhaps too audacious a hope that some American president should press for revelations and even reparations.

Time for the US to start distributing passports in Venezuela! (As long as we've decided that stealing countries is OK)


You are late, buddy.

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Chavez backs Russian recognition of Georgia regions

Fri Aug 29, 6:25 pm ET

PUERTO ORDAZ, Venezuela (Reuters) – Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez backed Russia's recognition of two breakaway regions of Georgia on Friday, making Venezuela only the second nation to support Moscow's stance.

Russia's neighbor and close ally Belarus has expressed similar support for Moscow's decision to back the independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia after a brief war between Russia and Georgia this month.

"Russia has recognized the independence of Abkhazia and South Ossetia. We support Russia. Russia is right and is defending its interests," Chavez said during a televised speech from an oil field along the Orinoco Oil Belt.

He stopped short of saying Venezuela recognized the regions.

Earlier on Friday, Russia said a security group of former Soviet states that it leads will discuss the recognition of South Ossetia and Abkhazia at a meeting in Moscow next month.

Russia's recognition of the two regions, after chasing out Georgian troops trying to retake South Ossetia, plunged relations with the West to new lows.

HOPEFULLY some GLPers who recently call the Russians darlings will go there and experience first hand the real truth about the Russians.

HOPEFULLY,

maybe even FreeFlow.

The Russians recognize the S. Ossetians independance, yet are going to "absorb" them?

No election, they just do it?

No conflict in that at all?

This forum is so transparently filled with anti-West shills.

South Ossetia was ALWAYS Russian, and you know it. That's why it was attacked - in order to provoke the Russians.


You don't put up much resistance to the brainwashing, do you?

:n0tsheep:

South Ossetia was ALWAYS Russian, and you know it. That's why it was attacked - in order to provoke the Russians.


You don't put up much resistance to the brainwashing, do you?



You should have addressed that post to yourself.

South Ossetia was ALWAYS Russian, and you know it. That's why it was attacked - in order to provoke the Russians.

What's going on is pretty obvious. Good thing Putin had so many miltary assets in the area to put down the "Georgian threat", huh?

Recognize their independance to "absorb" them?

Freedom?

I thought the S. Ossetians wanted freedom?

Was there some sort of election to be "absorbed"?

No wonder the Georgians cut diplomatic relations.

No need for an election. The people attacked were Russians who feel loyal to Russia. Would you first have an election amongst Americans living on the border of Mexico if the Mexicons had attacked them? LOL!

Oh, dear! Yet another weak argument, G. House.



Comrad, they were part of the Soviet Union until it desolved but not citizens of Russia until they broke aways from Georgia in th 90's and then Russia gave them citizenship.

A closer comparison would be if the US gave everyone in Juerez Mexico a US citizenship and then later invaded Mexico.

I've been saying it repeatedly since August 8th and I'll say it again: Russia must be stopped.

South Ossetia was ALWAYS Russian, and you know it. That's why it was attacked - in order to provoke the Russians.



It's funny how people know little of history. South Ossetia was never Russian nor Georgian. They were annexed by Russia, they are not Russian, they are Ossetians, and they have never considered themselves Russian or Georgian. They have rebelled on both sides of Georgia and Russia plenty of times. They have always been an autonomous region during the Soviet times. The only thing that's happening is the Ossetians are pretty much getting conquered no longer by Georgia, but by Russia. You think Russia really cares about the Ossetian people? Stop kidding yourself. They care about them as much as Georgians care about them, which is nil.

South Ossetia was ALWAYS Russian, and you know it. That's why it was attacked - in order to provoke the Russians.


You don't put up much resistance to the brainwashing, do you?

:n0tsheep:

<<The brainwashing is ALL YOURS. LOL>>

You should have addressed that post to yourself.


Why? What's going on is pretty obvious. Good thing Putin had so many miltary assets in the area to put down the "Georgian threat", huh?

<<Absolutely. They were expecting this would happen some time and so had peacekeepers in place to try to stop it ever happening. YOU interpret that as some kind of aggression? LOL! That's like a dictator of some country where there has been a civil war calling UN peace-keeping forces an invading force. Ludicrous.