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The VP Candidates Family

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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 163377
United States
9/2/2008 3:04 PM
Re: The VP Candidates FamilyQuote

Here's a question I pose to all of you:

How many babies born to teenage mothers will not have adequate health care or health insurance??

Probably about 90%.

How many babies born to teenage mothers WILL have adequate health care or health insurance?

Probably about 10-20%.

I rest my case. Why are we even sympathizing with this?

This is NOT the family values example I embrace. How about you?

Shouldn't ALL CHILDREN HAVE ACCESS TO GOOD CARE AND HEALTH INSURANCE?

Why are you voting for these idiots?
iconoclast329
User ID: 487858
United States
9/2/2008 3:14 PM
Re: The VP Candidates FamilyQuote

PALIN IS A DOMINIONIST

Dominionism, very simply, is the belief that Jesus will put Christians in charge of the world after the apocalypse, before he returns to rapture the believers.

Dominionists believe that it is their sacred duty to assume the reigns of government now, so they will be in place to rule the earth.

Mainstream Christians consider this "theology" to be heresy. There is no biblical instruction to Christians to rule the earth.

I hope each of you will do some research on Dominionism to understand just how frightening and extreme it is. Sarah is following the plan. Start with the PTA, then the mayoral office, then ......



John Allen of the National Catholic Reporter has an interesting take:
The initial confusion surrounding Palin's denominational identity, therefore, has a simple explanation: She doesn't have one.
Instead, Palin appears to be part of that rapidly expanding galaxy of "post-denominational" Christianity, where elements of Evangelical and Pentecostal styles of faith and worship fuse into a myriad of unique local combinations, and where old denominational loyalties are essentially dead.

Bob Smietana, the religion writer for The Tennessean, has been exchanging e-mails with me as we both set out on the hunt. He says: "Looks like she's a charismatic, or charismatic leaning, if her home congregation is Church on The Rock.
Her mom apparently goes to church here." Read Bob's story here.

If Bob is right, she'd be the first Charismatic on a ticket, I think? Whether or not she categorizes herself as such?

[link to religionblog.dallasnews.com]

Lotus
 Quoting: Lotus Feet

Most Dominionists today are not Post Tribulationists, but they are Pre Tribulation,and Pre millenialist, rapture enthusiasts.Thus they are not limited to the Reformed Theology advocates of the past.
Geogal
User ID: 373387
United States
9/2/2008 3:20 PM
Re: The VP Candidates FamilyQuote

What about her politics? Damn it!

Agreed. Her stance on issues, how strongly she may attempt to push personal views as part of Governmental law, how she fits into the plan of the McCain political machine.... I'm rather tired of hearing about her daughters sex life. We didn't hear so many questions regarding Biden, and we have a long records of proven lies and plagiarism to look at.

Most of what's being said of Palin is speculation. The truth will come out during the campaign if she is as big a liar as many are suggesting. It's common place to submit personal medical history documents during the campaign process for both Praz and VP candidates. How many children she's really had WILL come out. If Trig is hers or her daughters will also come out. If it comes out later it'll hurt the McCain Pres chances more. If everything that's being said now isn't true, then, that will also come out.

We're becoming a society that thinks it's OK to consider someone not even on trial guilty until proven innocent. Is this some kind of grooming for completely accepting a legal change to that kind of system? Guilty until proven beyond a reasonable doubt? 'Cause so far, many have not only put Sarah on trial and convicted but also her daughter. What is this? A witch burning?



Seems like these are her own constituents blogging about Palin and asking for her impeachment or resignation....go figure...

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 380000

cool. most of the quotes say unverified, but excellent point about what she was voted in on and what did she do.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 390096
United States
9/2/2008 3:20 PM
Re: The VP Candidates FamilyQuote

OpEd News Article -- Good article pointing out that it wasn't just an ordinary speech in Texas that was so important to Sarah Palin in April 2008. It was a closed-door meeting with a select few.

Here's the better question: What was SO important in Texas that Sarah Palin would risk the life of her newborn baby with Down Syndrome?

[link to www.opednews.com]

August 31, 2008 at 20:56:38

Headlined on 8/31/08:
Sarah Palin and the Closed Door Energy Forum where Her Water Broke

by Barbara Bellows-TerraNova Page 1 of 1 page(s)

It did not take long for people to discover the strange circumstances surrounding the birth of Sarah Palin’s youngest child, Trig, widely reported to be a Down Syndrome baby.

Ms. Palin only revealed that she was pregnant one month before his birth, when she was in her 7th month, and in the midst of a very busy schedule, with recent trips to Washington, DC and Los Angeles. She bragged about going back to work as a Mayor the day after giving birth to her daughter, Piper, and, sure enough, in April, when Trig was born, she was back in her office in three days (it might have been earlier, but this birth was on a Friday, so there was a weekend following).

That is enough to make many of us squirm, but it gets much stranger when we learn that Governor Palin’s water broke while she was attending an energy forum in Texas on Thursday, April 17th, but that she stayed for the event, made her own 30 minute speech, and then, rather than going to a hospital, she chose to board an Alaska Airlines plane for what must have been at least a 9 hour flight, according to their current schedule, then drove another 43 miles to give birth at the Mat Su Regional Medical Center in Palmer, Alaska.


Her choice to not respond to her water breaking has led to an internet uproar at www.BuzzFlash.com and elsewhere, especially regarding her priorities, her decisions, her parenting, and her character. . . But to me, they’re missing the point.

I return to the question of why Sarah Palin was chosen by McCain, especially when he hadn’t even spent any time with her?

The reasons can't be good. And, in truth, the reasons aren't just his. At one time in his life, McCain may have been his own man, but that time has passed. He is in the hands of Rove and Cheney's people, or he wouldn't be where he is today. They may not be thrilled with the candidate they got, but given the other choices of a flipflopping Mormon, an evangelist, or a lazy actor, McCain appeared to be the most electable. So they picked up from his failing campaign, dusted him off, and assigned their people to him as consultants. They settled, and so did he, and he is cooperating.

So, now we have a vice presidential candidate who came out of nowhere.

No, not nowhere -- Alaska. Where Ted Stevens is old and busted - so the oil companies can't use him any more.

But Sarah Palin? Oh my. Known for that odd combination of being both a Christian and a bully, and for her support of giving up both the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and polar bears, she fits the Bush/Cheney/McCain transition perfectly.
In this light, I ask,

"What was she doing in Texas that was so important that she couldn’t leave, and that she didn’t want to highlight by giving birth in Texas?"

Reported to be a "forum on energy with Texas Gov. Rick Perry and executives from four other states", it took a little digging to find that this forum was a closed-door affair hosting a select group of nine Republican governors and such notable corporate energy VIPS (and polluters) as Greg Boyce, chairman and CEO of the Peabody Energy Corp.; John Hofmeister, president of Shell Oil; Robert A. Malone, chairman and president, BP America; Anthony Orlando, president and CEO, Covanta Energy Corp.; and John Somerhalder II, chairman and CEO, AGL Resources.

It is important, too, to understand that the host, Governor Rick Perry, is the governor neatly trained to take Bush's spot in the Texas Governor's mansion. Before that, Perry defeated Jim Hightower for Texas Agricultural Commissioner with the help of Karl Rove and his scurilous tactics.

Perry is also the father of Dick Cheney's son-in-law, the lawyer Phillip Perry, who has bounced back and forth for the last several years between lobbying for Lockheed Martin and working for the White House. His wife, Elizabeth Cheney, though a mother of five herself, is a hawk for attacking Iran and has worked in the Bush Cheney State Department.

So, while the pregnancy story does bring up questions about Sarah Palin's character and priorities, I still think the far more relevant information for voters is what was going on behind closed doors in Texas that day?

This is what we deserve to know.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 495549
Mexico
9/2/2008 3:47 PM
Re: The VP Candidates FamilyQuote

What about her politics? Damn it!

Agreed. Her stance on issues, how strongly she may attempt to push personal views as part of Governmental law, how she fits into the plan of the McCain political machine.... I'm rather tired of hearing about her daughters sex life. We didn't hear so many questions regarding Biden, and we have a long records of proven lies and plagiarism to look at.

Most of what's being said of Palin is speculation. The truth will come out during the campaign if she is as big a liar as many are suggesting. It's common place to submit personal medical history documents during the campaign process for both Praz and VP candidates. How many children she's really had WILL come out. If Trig is hers or her daughters will also come out. If it comes out later it'll hurt the McCain Pres chances more. If everything that's being said now isn't true, then, that will also come out.

We're becoming a society that thinks it's OK to consider someone not even on trial guilty until proven innocent. Is this some kind of grooming for completely accepting a legal change to that kind of system? Guilty until proven beyond a reasonable doubt? 'Cause so far, many have not only put Sarah on trial and convicted but also her daughter. What is this? A witch burning?



Seems like these are her own constituents blogging about Palin and asking for her impeachment or resignation....go figure...

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 380000


Wow! What a rap sheet. Maybe her boat is already sunk.

Thanks for the link...
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 494770
United States
9/2/2008 4:20 PM
Re: The VP Candidates FamilyQuote

OpEd News Article -- Good article pointing out that it wasn't just an ordinary speech in Texas that was so important to Sarah Palin in April 2008. It was a closed-door meeting with a select few.

Here's the better question: What was SO important in Texas that Sarah Palin would risk the life of her newborn baby with Down Syndrome?

[link to www.opednews.com]

August 31, 2008 at 20:56:38

Headlined on 8/31/08:
Sarah Palin and the Closed Door Energy Forum where Her Water Broke

by Barbara Bellows-TerraNova Page 1 of 1 page(s)

It did not take long for people to discover the strange circumstances surrounding the birth of Sarah Palin’s youngest child, Trig, widely reported to be a Down Syndrome baby.

Ms. Palin only revealed that she was pregnant one month before his birth, when she was in her 7th month, and in the midst of a very busy schedule, with recent trips to Washington, DC and Los Angeles. She bragged about going back to work as a Mayor the day after giving birth to her daughter, Piper, and, sure enough, in April, when Trig was born, she was back in her office in three days (it might have been earlier, but this birth was on a Friday, so there was a weekend following).

That is enough to make many of us squirm, but it gets much stranger when we learn that Governor Palin’s water broke while she was attending an energy forum in Texas on Thursday, April 17th, but that she stayed for the event, made her own 30 minute speech, and then, rather than going to a hospital, she chose to board an Alaska Airlines plane for what must have been at least a 9 hour flight, according to their current schedule, then drove another 43 miles to give birth at the Mat Su Regional Medical Center in Palmer, Alaska.


Her choice to not respond to her water breaking has led to an internet uproar at www.BuzzFlash.com and elsewhere, especially regarding her priorities, her decisions, her parenting, and her character. . . But to me, they’re missing the point.

I return to the question of why Sarah Palin was chosen by McCain, especially when he hadn’t even spent any time with her?

The reasons can't be good. And, in truth, the reasons aren't just his. At one time in his life, McCain may have been his own man, but that time has passed. He is in the hands of Rove and Cheney's people, or he wouldn't be where he is today. They may not be thrilled with the candidate they got, but given the other choices of a flipflopping Mormon, an evangelist, or a lazy actor, McCain appeared to be the most electable. So they picked up from his failing campaign, dusted him off, and assigned their people to him as consultants. They settled, and so did he, and he is cooperating.

So, now we have a vice presidential candidate who came out of nowhere.

No, not nowhere -- Alaska. Where Ted Stevens is old and busted - so the oil companies can't use him any more.

But Sarah Palin? Oh my. Known for that odd combination of being both a Christian and a bully, and for her support of giving up both the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and polar bears, she fits the Bush/Cheney/McCain transition perfectly.
In this light, I ask,

"What was she doing in Texas that was so important that she couldn’t leave, and that she didn’t want to highlight by giving birth in Texas?"

Reported to be a "forum on energy with Texas Gov. Rick Perry and executives from four other states", it took a little digging to find that this forum was a closed-door affair hosting a select group of nine Republican governors and such notable corporate energy VIPS (and polluters) as Greg Boyce, chairman and CEO of the Peabody Energy Corp.; John Hofmeister, president of Shell Oil; Robert A. Malone, chairman and president, BP America; Anthony Orlando, president and CEO, Covanta Energy Corp.; and John Somerhalder II, chairman and CEO, AGL Resources.

It is important, too, to understand that the host, Governor Rick Perry, is the governor neatly trained to take Bush's spot in the Texas Governor's mansion. Before that, Perry defeated Jim Hightower for Texas Agricultural Commissioner with the help of Karl Rove and his scurilous tactics.

Perry is also the father of Dick Cheney's son-in-law, the lawyer Phillip Perry, who has bounced back and forth for the last several years between lobbying for Lockheed Martin and working for the White House. His wife, Elizabeth Cheney, though a mother of five herself, is a hawk for attacking Iran and has worked in the Bush Cheney State Department.

So, while the pregnancy story does bring up questions about Sarah Palin's character and priorities, I still think the far more relevant information for voters is what was going on behind closed doors in Texas that day?

This is what we deserve to know.

Thanks for this link, it is IMPORTANT.

Also note that Todd Palin was probably in the meeting too, as other posted links have stated that he SITS IN on all kinds of very important Alaska policy meetings and apparently has a lot of influence . . . that's pretty weird too . . .
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 390096
Show Me Your "Issues!&quo
User ID: 156099
United States
9/2/2008 4:22 PM
Re: The VP Candidates FamilyQuote

...the same party that's relying on the feminist vote to carry them through what shapes to be a tight election. The feminist vote that's already shaky because of an ugly, drawn-out power struggle between Clinton and Obama.

...Hope you don't alienate too many feminists along the way, but hey, you don't need their votes right?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 495015





Somehow, I have a hard time imagining the feminist camp getting behind the most adamantly anti-pro choice ticket since RvW. Somewhere inside my head, a little voice tells me the absence of pro choice support trumps the presence of tits.

I think if anything, the MSM's attention to this issue will generate sympathy among center-leaning male voters who are already swinging half a chub over Miss Vice Presidential Candidate 2008... seriously, does the RNC have a swimsuit competition as well? I mean, I don't want to see Ma McCain parading on stage in her cross-your-knees bra or anything, but I wouldn't mind seeing Ms. Palin's "issues."

flash

Either way, while I agree with the OP's point in general, I think you can tell a lot about a candidate by their family, just as I think the choice of a VP running mate says a lot about the candidate who selected him or her. In this case, McCane's impulsive selection (according to his own campaign insiders) of a woman with 14 kids who lives in a shoe (according to me) stinks of shallow political theater, and of someone who at the end of the day decided to put his campaign before his country.

Not that I was down with the somewhat senile old cat who finished in the bottom 1% of his class to begin with (894 out of 899!), but while I can accept a fictional scenario in which a green Jack Ryan ascends to the highest office in the land, the thought of Suzie Sweetits and the Partridge Family being one heartbeat away from the oval office does not exactly inspire confidence (though I do happen to think Danny Bonaducci would make a kick-ass Secretary of Reality Show Wannabe Beatdowns).

Regardless, in the end, it's first and foremost about the issues. I hope and pray that all my fellow 'mercins pay more attention to the content of the Presidential debates than they do the color of the LuvGov's underwear.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 380000
United States
9/2/2008 4:40 PM
Re: The VP Candidates FamilyQuote

YW...take a look at this link on Mrs Palin....ewwwww....nasty little tart. Does McCoot really think we won't see this?

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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 495549
Mexico
9/2/2008 4:58 PM
Re: The VP Candidates FamilyQuote

Here is a good summary opinion from reading all about the Palin sleeze from Alaska...

Palin is such a terrible governor you don't even have to attack her family and personal issues. What McCain has done in picking Palin as VP is one of the most irresponsible, disgusting things i have ever seen in politics. Capt Heart attack putting the country at extreme risk for the purpose of a gimmick to attract Hiliary supporters is pretty much criminal. There were other women to put on the republican ticket, why they would pick Palin and put the country in danger like this is beyond me.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 383929
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 495549
Mexico
9/2/2008 5:19 PM
Re: The VP Candidates FamilyQuote

note that this thread is unpinned, and just as suddenly the moral majority have disappeared...
whatever
User ID: 496328
United States
9/3/2008 10:58 AM
Re: The VP Candidates FamilyQuote

vp's job is to be a nwo puppet pretty face and to flaunt their morals.
Enlilson
User ID: 494807
United States
9/3/2008 11:00 AM
Re: The VP Candidates FamilyQuote

As I asked on another thread. Who is now injecting the kids into this race?
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