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PUTIN`S FATHER FOUGHT FOR THE NAZIS .

 
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Putin’s father fought for Nazis: Suvorov

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Putin’s father fought for Nazis: Suvorov

"In 2003, Polish media reported that KGB defector Victor Suvorov (Vladimir Rizun) found documents and pictures in London which show that the Russian president’s father served in the Nazi-collaborating army led by Russian general Vlasov. Vladimir Spiridonovich Putin was apparently captured by British forces, but not before he helped crush the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising of 1943."

ukraine-english-news.com blog section

Another source: Did Vladimir Putin's Father Fight for Adolf Hitler? (Photo's)

Vladimir Spiridonovich Putin, like his son, worked for the NKVD, predecessor of the KGB and was sent to the front during WW2. The common use of the NKVD in battle was to man machine gun squads that would execute Red Army soldiers attempting to retreat. According to Suvorov, the documents located in the archives indicate that Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin was captured by the Germans and joined General Vlasov's army of Nazi collaborators which fought for the German side.

Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin was then captured by the British, who eventually released the captured Vlasovite soldiers into Soviet custody. While soldiers who had served in the Vlasov army were generally imprisoned or executed, Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin was not an ordinary soldier but an NKVD officer and his grandfather worked as Stalin's cook (a highly trusted position considering how paranoid Stalin was about being assassinated.) Instead Putin Senior continued working in the KGB, which had succeeded the NKVD.

While Putin's biographies generally describe him as the son of a foreman from a working class family, in fact his father was NKVDKGB and his grandfather held a post reserved for politically trusted people. Growing up Putin benefited from the "silver spoon" of the KGB. As a student he obtained his own car in a rigged lottery (owning a car in Russia at that age was virtually unheard of except for the sons of very influential Communist party man) and was accepted into the prestigious law school at Leningrad University. He followed his father into the KGB and then followed him into service in Germany, rising through the ranks to the head of the KGB, held a variety of political posts and rose to rule over Russia.

It isn't too surprising that the head of the KGB wound up ruling Russia with a return of the iron fist. Nor that it would be the son of a KGB officer who would achieve this. But that it was the son of a Nazi collaborator is quite bitterly ironic.


[link to forum.pravda.com.ua]

Pravda forum ??... That`s a surprise .

and another link --> [link to sultanknish.blogspot.com]

This other link has some interesting photos .

Putin`s father in a German uniform ?? .... Interesting .

putler Prophetic ?

Andgwdancegrandpappy was doing business with nazis alomost at the same time in the U.S.
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Frankly, I find this supposition to be tripe. If Putin's father was so well connected within the KGB, Puin would have received a much better placement than middle management within a slowly disintergrating german bloc/office.

Epic propaganda fail.
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this is the blogger that got snuffed right?

gee, wonder why.
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Looks like Putin`s family history isn`t so clean as he would like others to believe .
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Frankly, I find this supposition to be tripe. If Putin's father was so well connected within the KGB, Puin would have received a much better placement than middle management within a slowly disintergrating german bloc/office.

Epic propaganda fail.
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Hurts to read the truth ??
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Frankly, I find this supposition to be tripe. If Putin's father was so well connected within the KGB, Puin would have received a much better placement than middle management within a slowly disintergrating german bloc/office.

Epic propaganda fail.



Hurts to read the truth ??
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The accusations don't fit in with his job history. Which, you would know, if you had read it.

Also, Putin's grandfather was Stalin's personal cook, and a great loyalist to Stalin. Stalin would have liked to have Hitler's head on a plate.

Interesting to note. Stalin Was Time Magazine’s Man of the Year in 1942. Putin in 2007.
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That's hard to believe.
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may be ... who knows ?

Bush's grand father also was at the nazi's side

he was their banker

don't forget !
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Please also note the sources for these rumors: Poland, Ukraine, Israel.
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so did bush's family. so what
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Please also note the sources for these rumors: Poland, Ukraine, Israel.
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sultanknish has a badge on his blog that say's "Olmert Resign". He likes Bibi.
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Well, hell. Bush's grandfather FINANCED the Nazis.
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That's kind of like saying Hitler was Jewish, Elvis was a Mormon, and the Pope is a Mason, isn't it?
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That's kind of like saying Hitler was Jewish, Elvis was a Mormon, and the Pope is a Mason, isn't it?
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Two out of three correct.
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A year after he wrote this piece, the writer was horribly poisoned by Polonium 210.
[link to 72.14.253.104]
Putin was the natural one to blame. But many saw the hand of his enemies in a false-flag black op to get Putin blamed.
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The fascist Nazis faught the commies

The fascist USA fights the commies
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Elvis WAS a Mormon?...get out of here.
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A year after he wrote this piece, the writer was horribly poisoned by Polonium 210.
[link to 72.14.253.104]
Putin was the natural one to blame. But many saw the hand of his enemies in a false-flag black op to get Putin blamed.
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He was part of funding and organizing the attack on Beslan. Putin took great offense to the attack on children, even moreso that it was organized from some within FSB. For this Lit. deserved a special death. Too many people underestimated Putin's ability to "get the job done", it is his greatest skill. To think that Lit. felt he could mock Putin from abroad and remain "safe", was a sign of his stupidity.
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A year after he wrote this piece, the writer was horribly poisoned by Polonium 210.
[link to 72.14.253.104]
Putin was the natural one to blame. But many saw the hand of his enemies in a false-flag black op to get Putin blamed.


He was part of funding and organizing the attack on Beslan. Putin took great offense to the attack on children, even moreso that it was organized from some within FSB. For this Lit. deserved a special death. Too many people underestimated Putin's ability to "get the job done", it is his greatest skill. To think that Lit. felt he could mock Putin from abroad and remain "safe", was a sign of his stupidity.
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Well, that's just another theory for why Putin wanted L. dead. It does not convince me. I have read dozens over the past year. I am convinced Putin had nothing to do with it. As if someone would assassinate one's enemy in such a drawn-out, highly public way that immediately pins the blame on oneself. Do you think Putin is THAT stupid? LOL! No way! The manner of death was MADE by Putin's enemies in Britain (oil oligarchs) to point to him. L. was involved with the Russian mafia smuggling radioactive material. He was up to his neck in intrigue and illegal stuff. L. was set up, I believe, as a patsy, when he double-crossed his handlers. I will post the evidence for this.
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Thread: Sensational claim by murder suspect Lugovoi: MI6 and/or Russian billionaire exile murdered Litvinenko!
Pay heed to what Lugovoi, accused of L.'s murder, says at his press conference.
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Well, that's just another theory for why Putin wanted L. dead. It does not convince me. I have read dozens over the past year. I am convinced Putin had nothing to do with it. As if someone would assassinate one's enemy in such a drawn-out, highly public way that immediately pins the blame on oneself. Do you think Putin is THAT stupid? LOL! No way! The manner of death was MADE by Putin's enemies in Britain (oil oligarchs) to point to him. L. was involved with the Russian mafia smuggling radioactive material. He was up to his neck in intrigue and illegal stuff. L. was set up, I believe, as a patsy, when he double-crossed his handlers. I will post the evidence for this.
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I will be interested in hearing your theory.

I agree. Putin is not stupid. But, he does have a temper. I think the "pedophile" angle sent Putin over the edge. I don't think he ordered the killing, but he most likely knew of it. He is meticulous about details.
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Russian spy chief accuses MI6 of plotting to overthrow Putin

Head of Russian secret service accuses MI6 of plotting against Putin
By HELEN WOMACK - Last updated at 20:51pm on 10th October 2007
Daily Mail

MI6 is stirring up dissent in Russia to influence upcoming elections and stop President Putin holding on to power, the Kremlin's security chief claimed yesterday.

The head of Russia's Federal Security Service - the successor of the KGB - said British spies were intent on weakening Russia and breaking up the country.

British secret agents had been doing the same since the reign of Elizabeth I, claimed Nikolai Patrushev, a close ally of Mr Putin.

Putin is expected to engineer the choice of a crony as new President and retain most of the power in Russia

In an interview with the weekly Argumenty I Fakti, Patrushev alleged that MI6 agents were "not only gathering intelligence in all areas but also trying to influence the development of the domestic political situation in our country."

"Right at the moment foreign intelligence services are making considerable efforts to get information about the forthcoming elections to the State Duma (lower house of parliament) and presidency," he said.

Last week, Mr. Putin announced he would lead the dominant United Russia party, which would give him a strong chance of becoming Prime Minister next year when the constitution requires that he step down as President after two consecutive terms.

Analysts expect him to engineer the choice of a crony as new President and retain most of the power in Russia himself.

Foreign Office sources said this week that election observers are not being given normal access to Russia ahead of the parliamentary vote in December and the presidential election in March.

Britain's ambassador to Russia, Tony Brenton, suffered months of harassment from the pro-Kremlin youth organisation, Nashi, after attending an opposition conference in 2006.

The Foreign Office sources said British-Russia relations remained at a low and were not likely to improve in the near future because of Russia's refusal to extradite Andrei Lugovoi, the businessman wanted in connection with the poisoning of Alexander Litvinenko in London last November.

Perhaps speaking for internal consumption, Patrushev painted a paranoid picture of Russia beset on all sides by foreign spies, eager to dig up the country's secrets and destabilise it ahead of the elections.

British agents were the worst offenders, he said, although he offered no new evidence.

"Since the time of Elizabeth 1 the British principle has been 'the end justifies the means," he said.

"Money, corruption, blackmail, offering immunity from prosecution, these are their main methods of recruitment."

In Cold War language, Patrushev attacked not only MI6 but also spies from Poland, the Baltic States, Georgia, Turkey and Pakistan as stooges of the CIA.

Spies were poking their noses into everything from the state of Russia's armed forces to conditions in the Caucasus, Siberia and the Far East, he said.

"Regarding the collapse of the Soviet Union as their achievement, they are now nurturing plans to carve up Russia," he said.

But he reserved special scorn for London, now the base of Russian exiles such as Boris Berezovsky.

"Lately, to achieve their political goals, the British have been relying on individuals accused of crimes and hiding abroad from Russian justice," Patrushev said.

He reiterated accusations that Berezovksy and Litvinenko had tried to recruit Russian citizens to work for MI6.

He also dredged up old allegations, dating back to 2005, that British agents had placed fake rocks in Moscow parks to hide their transmitters.

And he claimed that the use of non-governmental organisations was "in the arsenal" of foreign intelligence services trying to provoke a revolution in Russia similar to the 2004 Orange Revolution in the Ukraine.
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[link to www.dailymail.co.uk]
He's right. The BBC reported what Berezovsky is doing:
[link to news.bbc.co.uk]
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Well, that's just another theory for why Putin wanted L. dead. It does not convince me. I have read dozens over the past year. I am convinced Putin had nothing to do with it. As if someone would assassinate one's enemy in such a drawn-out, highly public way that immediately pins the blame on oneself. Do you think Putin is THAT stupid? LOL! No way! The manner of death was MADE by Putin's enemies in Britain (oil oligarchs) to point to him. L. was involved with the Russian mafia smuggling radioactive material. He was up to his neck in intrigue and illegal stuff. L. was set up, I believe, as a patsy, when he double-crossed his handlers. I will post the evidence for this.


I will be interested in hearing your theory.

I agree. Putin is not stupid. But, he does have a temper. I think the "pedophile" angle sent Putin over the edge. I don't think he ordered the killing, but he most likely knew of it. He is meticulous about details.
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Also, Lit. being murdered in such a way only adds to Putin's mystique in a way that may be offensive to outsiders, but very positive to the common Russian.......it being common knowledge in Moscow that Lit. was involved in Beslan......Putin avenges the death of children.......no wonder he is so popular.
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I will be interested in hearing your theory.

I agree. Putin is not stupid. But, he does have a temper. I think the "pedophile" angle sent Putin over the edge. I don't think he ordered the killing, but he most likely knew of it. He is meticulous about details.
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That's true. But IMHO the pedophile accusation was far too small a sin to warrant the ordering of L.'s assassination, however much Putin undoubtedly was angered by it. L. had been turned by MI6 to work for them in working with the CIA to stop Prodi being elected President of Italy (a dirty-tricks exercise that eventually fell flat on its face). He had started to make this fact known. IST CARDINAL SIN.
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Also, Lit. being murdered in such a way only adds to Putin's mystique in a way that may be offensive to outsiders, but very positive to the common Russian.......it being common knowledge in Moscow that Lit. was involved in Beslan......Putin avenges the death of children.......no wonder he is so popular.
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Nah. Sorry. Putin was not playing to the Russian crowd. It goes FAR deeper than that. You still look at things with a Cold War mentality - as though Putin is simply another Stalin. The name of the game is totally different now.
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the bushes ARE NAZI,S
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Also, Lit. being murdered in such a way only adds to Putin's mystique in a way that may be offensive to outsiders, but very positive to the common Russian.......it being common knowledge in Moscow that Lit. was involved in Beslan......Putin avenges the death of children.......no wonder he is so popular.

Nah. Sorry. Putin was not playing to the Russian crowd. It goes FAR deeper than that. You still look at things with a Cold War mentality - as though Putin is simply another Stalin. The name of the game is totally different now.
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Putin does not need to play to the crowd. He has a highly organized team that does that sort of thing on his behalf. Do not believe that he is not concerned with "image". What may seem ridiculous to foreign readers has a very different flavor to domestic readers.

Putin is not Stalin, by any means. But, he lives in a world of many enemies, foreign and domestic. To erase Lit. in such a public way is meant for effect.
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L. had tried to recruit Lugovoi to MI6. Lugovoi refused. 2ND CARDINAL SIN: he told Lugovoi he was now with MI6. This compromised all L.'s Russian friends, some of whom were agents of MI6. As Lugovoi now knew about the MI6 spy ring in Moscow, he had to be eliminated somehow. He was set up, so that he could be arrested, brought back to London, found guilty and made to rot in prison where he could talk to no one. L. was chosen as the victim because he could no longer be trusted with what he had learnt from MI6 and its involvement with the Russian exiles.
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Putin is not Stalin, by any means. But, he lives in a world of many enemies, foreign and domestic. To erase Lit. in such a public way is meant for effect.
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Nope. Not when it brings such international discredit. He was FRAMED.
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NAZIS have taken over Amerika too!

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