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The Thruth about Global Warming and C02
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Anonymous Coward
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9/5/2008 5:11 PM
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What you are about to read is the real science and truth behind the subject you know as global warming and C02 emissions. It is not found anywhere else on the internet and is not subject to NWO propaganda and disinformation. In fact i may get into trouble even for speaking out about this, but i think this is the time and the place to warn you of the global COOLING that is on its way fast, so that you can prepare. In fact im sure Trinity or one of the Mods may pin this thread so as many of you as possible can educate your minds on the subject.
The trouble with making any predictions about climatic change is that thousands of factors influence climate- including many that trigger a cascade of other unexpected changes.
We can't be 100% certain that the world has got warmer during the last century!! Early in the 1900s inferior techniques and instruments were used for measuring temperatures, and today many weather stations are near URBAN "hot" areas that may be under reporting the effects of trees and other natural modifiers on temperatures.
The scientists know that from fossil records, earth has over millions of years faced times when large-scale volcanic activity or sea-floor hot springs have loaded the atmosphere with C02 and heated the climate. Yet somehow a runaway greenhouse effect was PREVENTED!
The oceans appear to have an enormous capacity for absorbing C02, but even more amazing is the life that came from the oceans and its role in regulating C02 levels in the atmosphere!
When you see the white cliffs of Dover, you are looking at one way nature helped the earth balance the fevers of past greenhouse warming. About 160 million years ago, ocean plankton took carbon dioxide from the atmosphere and used the carbon to make their protective shells of limestone. When the plankton died, their shells sank to the ocean floor, locking the carbon away in mineral deposits that one day would rise from the sea as chalk cliffs!!
As a warming climate increases plankton breeding , growing communities of the small organisms emit more and more dimethyl-sulphide (DMS)gas into the air. DMS triggers the formation of the unusually small water droplets, which reflect more sunlight than ordinary clouds, thus helping to cool the earth's climate!!
Scientists know that the smoke ash and gas spewed by volcanoes into the stratosphere can cool the earth by filtering out sunlight.
After the immense 1883 eruption of Krakatoa in Indonesia, scientists half a world away in France measured a reduction in sunlight of about 10% for the following 3 years, until its ash filtered out of the upper atmosphere.
Scientists have also found subtle influences of volcanoes on the earth's climate, and there is a surprising link: 80% of the above-average crops in the USA occurred within 10 months of the eruption of a volcano somewhere in the tropics.
Such tropical eruptions tend to cool land more quickly than the ocean surfaces. When years pass with few such eruptions, the stratosphere becomes a very clear window through which intense sunlight bakes the land below.
The sun is also not given enough credit for its HUGE influence on global temperatures. Sunspots are thought to influence powerful winds at the north pole, and that in turn could influence other global wind patterns, tending to bring more cold air southwards.
In addition to this 11 year cycle, there are longer ones__ including the 80-100 year cycle that will heat to a peak around the year 2010. This could bring an even brighter sun!
Another periodic solar change involves few sunspots, like the Maunder Minimum, named after the Royal Greenwich Observatory astronomer E. Walter Maunder.
In the 1890s, he confirmed an unusual pattern: almost no sunspots were observed between 1645 and 1715. There were among the strangest years in the earth's recent weather history: the Little Ice Age, that chilled Europe to the bone. In the 1650s the Thames frequently froze and Londerners walked over its ice; by the 1660s it had dried almost to a trickle and that period of drought set the stage for the fire of London!
Since 1950 we have basked in the warmth of an unusually spotty sun. When sunspot numbers return to normal however, the earth's climate will cool quickly, by an amount counterbalancing the rise caused by global warming. This change is happening right now and most scientists are forced to keep quiet about this. |
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9/5/2008 5:32 PM | | Re: The Thruth about Global Warming and C02 | Quote |
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Free Store.
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9/6/2008 7:58 AM
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Are we gong to take those responsible and make them pay instead of me paying a carbon tax?
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"Regard your neighbor's gain as your own gain; and regard your neighbor's loss as your own loss."
Tai Shang Kan Ying P'ien |
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Anonymous Coward
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9/6/2008 11:24 AM | | Re: The Thruth about Global Warming and C02 | Quote |
The best thing we can do is educate people, before they bring in carbon tax! |
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Anonymous Coward
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9/6/2008 11:30 AM | | Re: The Thruth about Global Warming and C02 | Quote |
You have no linkage? |
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9/6/2008 11:53 AM | | Re: The Thruth about Global Warming and C02 | Quote |
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Anonymous Coward
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9/6/2008 12:03 PM | | Re: The Thruth about Global Warming and C02 | Quote |
As Nelson Muntz so eliquanly put "say global warming is a myth" |
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9/6/2008 1:22 PM | | Re: The Thruth about Global Warming and C02 | Quote |
You have no linkage? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 492546
HEH! there is no link, you wont find this text anywhere else on the internet, go ahead search!
This is NWO propaganda &disinformation free, real science that has been suppressed! |
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Anonymous Coward
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9/6/2008 1:26 PM | | Re: The Thruth about Global Warming and C02 | Quote |
Stop trying to educate the morons of the world against the MSM's view - it's like dressing up a pig. They're going to believe what the TV says.
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9/9/2008 5:17 AM | | Re: The Thruth about Global Warming and C02 | Quote |
I'm inclined to believe we are beyond the point of no return of Runaway Greenhouse. And I base this on my own independent research. |
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9/9/2008 6:33 AM | | Re: The Thruth about Global Warming and C02 | Quote |
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 276680
thanks ac, this should have it's own thread |
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Anonymous Coward
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9/9/2008 7:03 AM | | Re: The Thruth about Global Warming and C02 | Quote |
While many of the things in the article seem to have some basis in fact, they all stop short of the full story.
Yes, particles in the air can, and indeed, do reflect sunlight.
And yes, the solid and reflective particles (small bits of glass mainly) from volcanic reactions do play a temporary roll in global cooling, as do clouds.
The water droplets mentioned in the article make...Clouds, which do indeed reflect some sunlight.
The albedo of the Earth HAS risen slightly over the last thirty years or so as well, but the temperature readings have gone up at a faster rate than the percentage of reflected sunlight...
This would tend to mean that until a break even point is reach (and who knows at what temperature that will happen) the temperature of the Earth can and perhaps will keep going up.
Also, in the article there was a mention made of the inaccuracies of climate models due to the fact that there are thousands (more like tens of thousands really!) of variables involved.
TRUE!
Our currant climate models do indeed suck and suck hard!
BUT, it is still possible to use a climate model to get a general picture of what is likely to happen if certain major factors occur.
This is the true power of the modern climate model, to be able to take into account a few hundred variables, such as albedo, water vapor input to temperature, expected sunlight levels, the amount of expected methane and so on, and get something approaching a good guess.
So, while it is true that the climate models cannot account for the explosion of the next super volcano, or the intervention of the "space brothers" or godly intervention...
They do a fairly decent job of going over the factors we know of and can account for.
As more factors are added over time and climate models have become more advanced, the picture seems to be pointing to greater warming, not less though.
Even if they are only 90% correct (and we have good reason to think that they are way better than that, even though 95% still, as I said above, sucks as far as forecasting goes...) But even if only 90% correct from random sampling, we still have a major problem coming.
As to not knowing the temperature from early in the last two century due to poor equipment and shoddy training of personnel, if any training was to be had at all, this too is true on it's face...
But the argument could as easily go the other way around!
If we can't know that it has gotten warmer, we also can't know that the temperature hasn't gained much more than we think!
Relax on this one a bit however, because our long term indicators seem to agree for the most part on this one, and the rough level of temperature increase seems consistent across all real models and theories.
*I am not trying to say that anything not agreeing with the mainstream is not real. I AM saying that some of the data we see has been faked, not peer reviewed and so forth.
In all I give this article a c+ It is a noble try, but the facts don't actually add up to the desired conclusion, when someone has even a little more information than is presented.
Unfortunately, many will buy into such things and take it as an excuse to keep polluting and wasting time, rather than trying to do something to prepare.
After all, if we prepare and are wrong, we waste some money.
If we don't prepare and are wrong, we waste lives.
We know where the Oil and coal companies and the extremist Christian right stand on this, but no other group really stands with them now, as the facts just aren't there to support their views.
At this point anyone trying to sell you on global warming not happening is wither a fool (sorry, but it is possible...) or is lying to you on purpose. There is no excuse to be this misguided now, not with the amount of real data available.
**Besides, any of this could be NWO propaganda, what I wrote, what the article said... Maybe all of it.
The one thing you never here the NWO say is this, think for yourself, do your own homework, make plans as if you are going to be around for a while!
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Anonymous Coward
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9/10/2008 6:42 AM | | Re: The Thruth about Global Warming and C02 | Quote |
Well, i'm not going to go into great length here but my article was not denying that the earth has been warming up, it was merely educating people on many of the things that are left out of the MSM, such as the difficulty with climate prediction, the poor longer term data measurements, and especially the carbon cycle and CO2's said effect on climate change.
I'm not going to let people get conned by the whole carbon dioxide destroying the planet stop using electricity and driving cars take your carbon credits BULLSHIT!
My article also pointed out the suns predicted effects on global temperature, and i think it is the number one factor!
I also point out that we are going into a solar minimum now and that temperatures should drop dramatically out weighing what was cause by global warming.
Here's some thing to back that up!
[link to www.independentamerican.org]
[link to news.bbc.co.uk]
[link to clipmarks.com]
[link to www.propagandamatrix.com]
To me its quite amusing how the MSM & NWO have tried to put the blame on human output of CO2 with so little evidence and not to mention the earth's ability to absorb surplus atmospheric CO2 at short notice! They also can't mention sunspots or long solar cycles.....
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9/10/2008 5:37 PM | | Re: The Thruth about Global Warming and C02 | Quote |
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Search for life ; )
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9/23/2008 10:05 PM | | Re: The Thruth about Global Warming and C02 | Quote |
Well, i'm not going to go into great length here but my article was not denying that the earth has been warming up, it was merely educating people on many of the things that are left out of the MSM, such as the difficulty with climate prediction, the poor longer term data measurements, and especially the carbon cycle and CO2's said effect on climate change.
I'm not going to let people get conned by the whole carbon dioxide destroying the planet stop using electricity and driving cars take your carbon credits BULLSHIT!
My article also pointed out the suns predicted effects on global temperature, and i think it is the number one factor!
I also point out that we are going into a solar minimum now and that temperatures should drop dramatically out weighing what was cause by global warming.
Here's some thing to back that up!
To me its quite amusing how the MSM & NWO have tried to put the blame on human output of CO2 with so little evidence and not to mention the earth's ability to absorb surplus atmospheric CO2 at short notice! They also can't mention sunspots or long solar cycles.....
Let´s make some points out:
Is the public well informed about the topic?
Of course not, it´s even (obviously) extremely disinformed about it. Even plenty of researchers had been misguided!
Has politics manipulated climate science?
Unfortunately to a certain degree, but research had been well done in plenty of cases and what is being manipulated is much more the emerging interpretations.
Can you do something to change such a situation?
Seems extremely unlikely, as even some researchers hadn´t achieve success in fixing the public interpretations, and all is working on the contrary.
Is that fine? Is that a good idea? Aren´t there other options? ... could it bring even opposite results in the long run?
... this topic is "currently helping quite a lot" to rise attention on the harsh environmental problems possed by our current socioeconomic paradigm "incompleteness"... it seems that hard pressures are needed to bring a substantial change on the resilient system. Many things had been tryied before without substantial success and in the mean time ecosystems had been depleted, species were lost, resources were overexploited and sustainability has actually decreased. Perhaps a white lie was necesary in such a monstruous system in order to survive and achieve a worthy future, although this wouldn´t be needed in an alternative society of truth, peace, justice and rational planification in which knowledge is rightly and extensively available and decisions are took following reality, rather than quite corrupt monetary aproximations.
Best hopes for a better world |
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