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US to establish naval base in Georgia
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Anonymous Coward
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9/7/2008 3:19 PM
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The US is negotiating with Georgia and Turkey to establish a naval base at one of the two key Georgian ports of Batumi or Poti, reports say.
Turkey, in an attempt to avoid political tension with Russia, has not officially revealed its position regarding the plan, said Gruzya Online, a Russian-language internet site.
Russia had previously announced its intention to station its own special forces at the Georgian ports.
One of the responsibilities of US Special Forces in the region is to ensure the security of an oil pipeline passing through Georgia.
HSH/RA
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G. House
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9/7/2008 3:23 PM
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Hope it's Poti. |
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Rota
User ID: 499052
9/7/2008 3:25 PM | | Re: US to establish naval base in Georgia | Quote |
I'll bet if Turkey shows any attention of making that deal which would break their treaty with Russia then Russia would take over those ports very quickly. |
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Anonymous Coward
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9/7/2008 3:28 PM | | Re: US to establish naval base in Georgia | Quote |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 498895
9/7/2008 3:41 PM | | Re: US to establish naval base in Georgia | Quote |
I'll bet if Turkey shows any attention of making that deal which would break their treaty with Russia then Russia would take over those ports very quickly. Quoting: Rota 499052
My guess is that Turkey is going to side with Russia. The whole Georgia fiasco is a warning to the region that U.S. has less clout in the region than thought. Also, Turkey has some sweet financial negotiations going on with Russia right now. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 498895
9/7/2008 3:49 PM | | Re: US to establish naval base in Georgia | Quote |
The US is negotiating with Georgia and Turkey to establish a naval base at one of the two key Georgian ports of Batumi or Poti, reports say.
Turkey, in an attempt to avoid political tension with Russia, has not officially revealed its position regarding the plan, said Gruzya Online, a Russian-language internet site.
Russia had previously announced its intention to station its own special forces at the Georgian ports.
One of the responsibilities of US Special Forces in the region is to ensure the security of an oil pipeline passing through Georgia.
HSH/RA
[ link to www.presstv.ir]
Even before its completion, the BTC pipeline was affecting the world's oil politics. The South Caucasus, previously seen as Russia's backyard, is now a region of great strategic significance to other great powers. The U.S. and other Western nations have consequently become much more closely involved in the affairs of the three nations through which oil will flow. Some have criticized this degree of western involvement in the South Caucasus, arguing that it has led to an unhealthy dependence on undemocratic leaders.[citation needed] The countries themselves though have been trying to use the involvement as a counterbalance to Russian and Iranian economic and military dominance in the region.[15][22] It is seen similarly by Russian specialists claiming that the pipeline is aimed to weaken the Russian influence in the Caucasus. The Russian Parliament Foreign Affairs Committee chairman Konstantin Kosachev even stated that the United States and other Western countries are planning to settle their soldiers in Caucasus on the pretext of instability in regions where the pipeline passes through.[23] |
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LS 
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9/7/2008 5:04 PM
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I'll bet if Turkey shows any attention of making that deal which would break their treaty with Russia then Russia would take over those ports very quickly.
My guess is that Turkey is going to side with Russia. The whole Georgia fiasco is a warning to the region that U.S. has less clout in the region than thought. Also, Turkey has some sweet financial negotiations going on with Russia right now. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 498895
if they do then you can count on turkey being removed from nato.
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DrPostman 
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9/7/2008 5:09 PM
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if they do then you can count on turkey being removed from nato. Quoting: LS
And kiss the EU goodby forever.
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9/7/2008 5:12 PM
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 498895
9/7/2008 5:13 PM | | Re: US to establish naval base in Georgia | Quote |
if they do then you can count on turkey being removed from nato. Quoting: LS
Doubtful. EU controls NATO. Right now the EU is busy kissing Putin's ass for U.S. involvement in the whole Georgia fiasco. EU will broker a peace agreement that won't include any U.S. or NATO bases (difference?) in Georgia.
EU wants that Nabucco pipeline built......can't do it without Turkey, LOL. |
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anonymous
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9/7/2008 5:14 PM | | Re: US to establish naval base in Georgia | Quote |
NATO to admit georgia..metedterain u.S. fleet sailed past russia warships to deliver aid yesterday.chenney warned the other countries in the refio yesterday while he was there to quicly stand together or else russia will devide them soon...hold onto your hat. the region is oil rich and russia wants it..hold onto your hat.....go America, go NATO, go Israel ..it better than being ruled by russia china or Islam any day of any damm week..the civilised world must have depenable oil to thrieve..any nation who unginges tht prospect should be wiped off the damm map..humanity requires energy.. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 498814
9/7/2008 5:17 PM | | Re: US to establish naval base in Georgia | Quote |
I'll bet if Turkey shows any attention of making that deal which would break their treaty with Russia then Russia would take over those ports very quickly.
My guess is that Turkey is going to side with Russia. The whole Georgia fiasco is a warning to the region that U.S. has less clout in the region than thought. Also, Turkey has some sweet financial negotiations going on with Russia right now. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 498895
I think Turkey will side with the EU and NATO. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 498895
9/7/2008 5:18 PM | | Re: US to establish naval base in Georgia | Quote |
NATO to admit georgia..metedterain u.S. fleet sailed past russia warships to deliver aid yesterday.chenney warned the other countries in the refio yesterday while he was there to quicly stand together or else russia will devide them soon...hold onto your hat. the region is oil rich and russia wants it..hold onto your hat.....go America, go NATO, go Israel ..it better than being ruled by russia china or Islam any day of any damm week..the civilised world must have depenable oil to thrieve..any nation who unginges tht prospect should be wiped off the damm map..humanity requires energy.. Quoting: anonymous 499120
Humanity requires energy at what price? Blood for oil? What power do you think NATO has without the U.S. military to support it? ZERO. EU doesn't want a war with Russia, therefore , NATO doesn't want a war with Russia......to conclude, U.S. no longer holds the power. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 498895
9/7/2008 5:20 PM | | Re: US to establish naval base in Georgia | Quote |
I'll bet if Turkey shows any attention of making that deal which would break their treaty with Russia then Russia would take over those ports very quickly.
My guess is that Turkey is going to side with Russia. The whole Georgia fiasco is a warning to the region that U.S. has less clout in the region than thought. Also, Turkey has some sweet financial negotiations going on with Russia right now.
I think Turkey will side with the EU and NATO. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 498814
Doubtful. It will remain neutral. No port. It has significant economic agreements with Russia. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 498895
9/7/2008 5:22 PM | | Re: US to establish naval base in Georgia | Quote |
Turkey has EU/NATO by the short hairs. Nabucco. Turkey will do what is economically in its best interests. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 476538
9/7/2008 5:40 PM | | Re: US to establish naval base in Georgia | Quote |
The US is negotiating with Georgia and Turkey to establish a naval base at one of the two key Georgian ports of Batumi or Poti, reports say.
Turkey, in an attempt to avoid political tension with Russia, has not officially revealed its position regarding the plan, said Gruzya Online, a Russian-language internet site.
Russia had previously announced its intention to station its own special forces at the Georgian ports.
One of the responsibilities of US Special Forces in the region is to ensure the security of an oil pipeline passing through Georgia.
HSH/RA
[ link to www.presstv.ir]
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Wul
User ID: 496496
9/7/2008 5:53 PM
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Hope it's Poti. Quoting: G. House
Why?
Do you want a US Russian confrontation?
You and your religion are sick, nuclear winter sounds fun... |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 499153
9/7/2008 6:06 PM | | Re: US to establish naval base in Georgia | Quote |
Nabucco is the King of Babylon.
Nabucco awakens, his reason fully regained. Asking forgiveness of the God of the Jews, he promises to rebuild the temple in Jerusalem, and follow the true faith. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 495098
9/7/2008 6:17 PM | | Re: US to establish naval base in Georgia | Quote |
WAIT ONE MINUTE! Wasn't Poti a Georgian Port? Russia just can't frikkin take it because they feel like it. WTH?
Let's kick their asses out of Poti and, out of Georgia. They can't just move into another country and claim their Port is now their's. WTF? Dick Heads Russians! |
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Wul
User ID: 496496
9/7/2008 6:18 PM
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WAIT ONE MINUTE! Wasn't Poti a Georgian Port? Russia just can't frikkin take it because they feel like it. WTH?
Let's kick their asses out of Poti and, out of Georgia. They can't just move into another country and claim their Port is now their's. WTF? Dick Heads Russians! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 495098
Iraq, Afghanistan etc etc |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 498805
9/7/2008 6:19 PM | | Re: US to establish naval base in Georgia | Quote |
Hope it's Poti.
Why?
Do you want a US Russian confrontation?
You and your religion are sick, nuclear winter sounds fun... Quoting: Wul
we'll soon find out, by the looks of it. well, some of us will. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 498805
9/7/2008 6:20 PM | | Re: US to establish naval base in Georgia | Quote |
WAIT ONE MINUTE! Wasn't Poti a Georgian Port? Russia just can't frikkin take it because they feel like it. WTH?
Let's kick their asses out of Poti and, out of Georgia. They can't just move into another country and claim their Port is now their's. WTF? Dick Heads Russians!
Iraq, Afghanistan etc etc Quoting: Wul
now now Wul, countries in the 21st century don't do that. remember?
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 498895
9/7/2008 6:47 PM | | Re: US to establish naval base in Georgia | Quote |
WAIT ONE MINUTE! Wasn't Poti a Georgian Port? Russia just can't frikkin take it because they feel like it. WTH?
Let's kick their asses out of Poti and, out of Georgia. They can't just move into another country and claim their Port is now their's. WTF? Dick Heads Russians! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 495098
heh, heh. Russia is playing American's game better than America. It already has a mandate to conduct peacekeeping mission in the region with EU/NATO. NATO has no mandate in the area. EU controls NATO. EU needs ng this winter. Russia supplies EU with ng. EU will bend over for Russia. NATO is out. U.S. is out.
Nabucco has never managed to get funding to be built. Russia has plans for south stream.......and money to build. Turkey controls pipeline to EU, has agreements with Russia.
U.S. has been checkmated. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 480235
9/7/2008 6:53 PM | | Re: US to establish naval base in Georgia | Quote |
This is a bad idea! Maybe were looking for a place to put GITMO EAST? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 499200
9/7/2008 8:38 PM | | Re: US to establish naval base in Georgia | Quote |
US may be beyond checkmate and out of the game as a dominant player. There has always been the possibility that US lost major capability when the tsunami took out Diego Garcia in 2004. Nothing since has indicated that US regained its strategic position for keeping a military presence in the Middle East.
Look at the map and see.
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Normal Is Subjective
User ID: 499219
9/7/2008 8:45 PM
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Maybe they hope it'll get lost in the crowd:
Going on an Imperial Bender: How the U.S. Garrisons the Planet and Doesn't Even Notice.
At the height of the Roman Empire, the Romans had an estimated 37 major military bases scattered around their dominions. At the height of the British Empire, the British had 36 of them planetwide. Depending on just who you listen to and how you count, we have hundreds of bases. According to Pentagon records, in fact, there are 761 active military "sites" abroad. [link to motherjones.com]
Handy map here: [link to www.motherjones.com]
In August 2004, with the Iraq War raging and his reelection months away, President Bush announced the most radical overhaul of overseas military basing since the end of the Cold War. The purpose of this so-called Global Posture Review: to enable the lean, mean fighting machine long envisioned by then-defense secretary Donald Rumsfeld—a flexible force that can fight up to four wars at once and respond quickly to crises, wherever they may arise.
The plan slashes conventional military bases in places like Western Europe—the so-called "little Americas" with their schools, streets, and malls—and shunts troops into bare-bones forward bases in far-flung locations, closer to the action and without the family amenities, places like Romania, Bulgaria, and Kyrgyzstan, frail democracies (or not), many with NATO aspirations and lax environmental laws. All this reshuffling isn't cheap: An expert panel convened by Congress to assess the overseas basing realignment put the cost at $20 billion, counting indirect expenses overlooked by the Pentagon, which had initially budgeted one-fifth that amount.
In Africa, where the military is establishing a new command called AFRICOM, the Pentagon is busy planting lily pads, officially "Cooperative Security Locations." US troops can use these low-key outposts to stash weapons and supplies, and to train local forces. In a crisis, boom! They can convert to a real wartime base. [link to www.motherjones.com]
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 396542
9/7/2008 8:49 PM | | Re: US to establish naval base in Georgia | Quote |
Is the US out of there freaking minds? Who is the one giving the order to build a US naval port in gerogia, wouldnt that raise more superstition to Russia???? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 498895
9/7/2008 8:53 PM | | Re: US to establish naval base in Georgia | Quote |
In Africa, where the military is establishing a new command called AFRICOM, the Pentagon is busy planting lily pads, officially "Cooperative Security Locations." US troops can use these low-key outposts to stash weapons and supplies, and to train local forces. In a crisis, boom! They can convert to a real wartime base. [link to www.motherjones.com]
Well, I can tell you unequivocally that AFRICOM has been shelved due to lack of cooperation (and interest). Populating the 'Stans is another matter. Russia has a traditional ethnic history in the region, and the Russians are proving to be more economically generous and cooperative to the needs of the indigenous people of those countries.
Epic fail for the Rumsfeld plan. Who knew Vladimir would turn out to be such a playa'! Obviously, not any of our great strategists, LOL! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 499200
9/7/2008 8:56 PM | | Re: US to establish naval base in Georgia | Quote |
They can build all the lily pads they want, but lily pads have to be supplied.
How do you do that without a supply base.
Diego Garcia was it, five hours from Bagdad.
[link to www.google.com]
Unless the US gets another significant base, supply will have to come off ships. The big city aircraft carriers are sitting ducks in today's world.
The US needs a base, and if Diego Garcia was washed out, which the US never admitted, there is no supply base in that part of the world.
Rumsfeld is/was a dumbass, and worse! |
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Canadian Cold Front
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9/7/2008 9:26 PM | | Re: US to establish naval base in Georgia | Quote |
Epic fail for the Rumsfeld plan. Who knew Vladimir would turn out to be such a playa'! Obviously, not any of our great strategists, LOL! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 498895
Rumsfeld should be dragged thru the streets and given the opportunity of meeting the American public.
You mean Putin shows reasonable, good judgment? Like a world leader should?
You don't have any great strategists. You have Bushco, immoral, greedy, swaggering, arrogant schoolboys. |
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ObeyTheOctopus
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9/7/2008 9:33 PM
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Well it should be obvious by now that the U.S. urged Georgia to invade S. Ossetia to provoke a conflict with Russia, whereby the neocons would have an excuse to install a permanent military presence in the region for the true purpose of protecting the Caspian pipeline.
Problem-Reaction-Solution rears its head again. Yawn.
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