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US to establish naval base in Georgia
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 419054
9/7/2008 9:39 PM | | Re: US to establish naval base in Georgia | Quote |
They can build all the lily pads they want, but lily pads have to be supplied.
How do you do that without a supply base.
Diego Garcia was it, five hours from Bagdad.
[ link to www.google.com]
Unless the US gets another significant base, supply will have to come off ships. The big city aircraft carriers are sitting ducks in today's world.
The US needs a base, and if Diego Garcia was washed out, which the US never admitted, there is no supply base in that part of the world.
Rumsfeld is/was a dumbass, and worse!
What is Diego Garcia? An American base? Where? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 498895
9/7/2008 9:44 PM | | Re: US to establish naval base in Georgia | Quote |
They can build all the lily pads they want, but lily pads have to be supplied.
How do you do that without a supply base.
Diego Garcia was it, five hours from Bagdad.
[ link to www.google.com]
Unless the US gets another significant base, supply will have to come off ships. The big city aircraft carriers are sitting ducks in today's world.
The US needs a base, and if Diego Garcia was washed out, which the US never admitted, there is no supply base in that part of the world.
Rumsfeld is/was a dumbass, and worse!
What is Diego Garcia? An American base? Where?
Google is your friend. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 396542
9/7/2008 9:48 PM | | Re: US to establish naval base in Georgia | Quote |
They can build all the lily pads they want, but lily pads have to be supplied.
How do you do that without a supply base.
Diego Garcia was it, five hours from Bagdad.
[ link to www.google.com]
Unless the US gets another significant base, supply will have to come off ships. The big city aircraft carriers are sitting ducks in today's world.
The US needs a base, and if Diego Garcia was washed out, which the US never admitted, there is no supply base in that part of the world.
Rumsfeld is/was a dumbass, and worse!
What is Diego Garcia? An American base? Where?
Diego Garcia? is in IRAQ..... An American base? yes it is...
Yes it is located in IRAQ it holds lots of US airfoce bombers
they can use the bombers to strike IRAN
here satelight pictures
[link to www.globalsecurity.org] |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 499200
9/7/2008 9:51 PM | | Re: US to establish naval base in Georgia | Quote |
Diego Garcia is an atoll in the Indian Ocean. Here's wiki:
"Diego Garcia is home to a military base jointly operated by the United States and the United Kingdom. It is a naval refuelling and support station and the home of Maritime Prepositioning Ship Squadron Two, the naval unit responsible for the readiness of the ships in Military Sealift Command Prepositioning Program in the Indian Ocean, a vital strategic asset to the United States.[8] It has an air base that primarily supported land-based U.S. Navy P-3 Orion maritime patrol aircraft during the Cold War. Since 11 September 2001, in addition to P-3 aircraft, it has also supported some of the largest military aircraft. U.S. Air Force B-52s, B-1Bs and B-2s, as well as various aerial refueling tanker aircraft have been deployed to Diego Garcia to execute missions. During the 1991 Gulf War, Diego Garcia was home to the 4300th Bomb Wing (Provisional), made up of B-52G bombers from the former Loring AFB, Maine and other B-52G bases. It was also used in support of military missions in Afghanistan during Operation Enduring Freedom, and to Iraq again during the 2003 invasion. High-tech portable shelters to support the B-2 bomber were built on the island before the 2003 invasion of Iraq. The B-52s, B-1s and B-2s deployed to Diego Garcia in anticipation of the second Iraq War carried out the initial aerial bombardment on Baghdad on March 22, 2003. Some of these bombers dropped GPS guided bombs and laser guided 1,905 kg (4,200 lb.) bunker busters in "decapitation strikes" intended to kill Saddam Hussein and other Baath Party officials.[9] Although they now primarily deploy to Al Udeid Air Base in Qatar, Diego Garcia still remains a regular deployment site for U.S. Navy P-3C Orion maritime patrol aircraft.:
[link to en.wikipedia.org] |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 498859
9/7/2008 9:54 PM | | Re: US to establish naval base in Georgia | Quote |
I have a craving for mens ties.I want to chew on a neck tie in the worst way.pssst.I am at airport,in the bathroom.There is a man tapping his shoe in the stall next to me.What should I do?  |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 496097
9/7/2008 9:56 PM | | Re: US to establish naval base in Georgia | Quote |
Interesting.. I'm a U.K. citizen, but don't blindly support the U.K., NATO or anyone else, not without good reason.
Just found this story 5 minutes ago:
Mass resignations in Turkey:
[link to news.bbc.co.uk] |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 498895
9/7/2008 9:57 PM | | Re: US to establish naval base in Georgia | Quote |
I have a craving for mens ties.I want to chew on a neck tie in the worst way.pssst.I am at airport,in the bathroom.There is a man tapping his shoe in the stall next to me.What should I do?
Adopt a wide stance! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 498895
9/7/2008 9:59 PM | | Re: US to establish naval base in Georgia | Quote |
Interesting.. I'm a U.K. citizen, but don't blindly support the U.K., NATO or anyone else, not without good reason.
Just found this story 5 minutes ago:
Mass resignations in Turkey:
[ link to news.bbc.co.uk]
Very interesting. |
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innocentbystander
User ID: 496097
9/7/2008 10:01 PM
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Interesting.. I'm a U.K. citizen, but don't blindly support the U.K., NATO or anyone else, not without good reason.
Just found this story 5 minutes ago:
Mass resignations in Turkey:
[ link to news.bbc.co.uk]
Very interesting.
Ominous, even.
That was me, got logged out somewhere.
"“If a person does not harm any living being…
and does not kill or cause others to kill -
that person is a true spiritual practitioner.”
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~ The Dhammapada
My Clan Heritage:
[link to www.ancestralscotland.com]
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 495549
9/7/2008 10:27 PM | | Re: US to establish naval base in Georgia | Quote |
WAIT ONE MINUTE! Wasn't Poti a Georgian Port? Russia just can't frikkin take it because they feel like it. WTH?
Let's kick their asses out of Poti and, out of Georgia. They can't just move into another country and claim their Port is now their's. WTF? Dick Heads Russians!
Iraq, Afghanistan etc etc Quoting: Wul
They dont recognize the govt in Tblisi. The new provisional govt has asked for their presence to protect them from the bad Americans. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 498895
9/7/2008 10:29 PM | | Re: US to establish naval base in Georgia | Quote |
They dont recognize the govt in Tblisi. The new provisional govt has asked for their presence to protect them from the bad Americans. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 495549
Heh. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 322602
9/7/2008 10:30 PM | | Re: US to establish naval base in Georgia | Quote |
Bush is INSANE. Cheney is INSANE!!
This is the worst foreign policy in the history of the nation.
They should be impeached immediately and would be if we did not have a ZIONIST Speaker of the House Pelosi.
We are FUCKED and will soon be glowing from radioactive THERMONUCLEAR WAR, the fuckers!!! |
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OwlTalking 
User ID: 11574
9/7/2008 11:10 PM
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Here's a better link to imagery from Diego Garcia; and a slew of nice pictures. They reported no discernible damages from the tsunami. However, ya gotta wonder what has happened there in the way of building since the tsunami.
[link to www.globalsecurity.org]
In addition there has been scrap metal sales there as well. Can I assume worthwhile scrap went for pennies on the dollar? And where did those three loads of metal end up?
[link to www.globalsecurity.org]
The solution to most problems is generally close at hand. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 481688
9/7/2008 11:11 PM | | Re: US to establish naval base in Georgia | Quote |
I'll bet if Turkey shows any attention of making that deal which would break their treaty with Russia then Russia would take over those ports very quickly.
My guess is that Turkey is going to side with Russia. The whole Georgia fiasco is a warning to the region that U.S. has less clout in the region than thought. Also, Turkey has some sweet financial negotiations going on with Russia right now. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 498895
Yeah Turkey will with russia and the asia axis |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 499301
9/7/2008 11:13 PM | | Re: US to establish naval base in Georgia | Quote |
stir it up |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 481688
9/7/2008 11:21 PM | | Re: US to establish naval base in Georgia | Quote |
Interesting.. I'm a U.K. citizen, but don't blindly support the U.K., NATO or anyone else, not without good reason.
Just found this story 5 minutes ago:
Mass resignations in Turkey:
[ link to news.bbc.co.uk]
Great Find! Connected without a doubt! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 496460
9/7/2008 11:33 PM | | Re: US to establish naval base in Georgia | Quote |
Get a clue, the .guv atm will do whatever the big sisters dictate. They have invested billions in bribes and construction and no matter what the amount of our boyz blood, they will reap the reward. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 499301
9/7/2008 11:35 PM | | Re: US to establish naval base in Georgia | Quote |
good |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 497483
9/8/2008 12:03 AM | | Re: US to establish naval base in Georgia | Quote |
Nabucco is the King of Babylon.
Nabucco awakens, his reason fully regained. Asking forgiveness of the God of the Jews, he promises to rebuild the temple in Jerusalem, and follow the true faith. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 499153
Why the fuck would they name the pipeline after Nebuchadnezzar unless it had some meaning? The pipeline doesn't go into Iraq or what used to be Babylon, so why use that name?
This makes me wonder if we are heading for an Iran/Russia/Non Aligned vs. US/NATO/Israel conflict. This could lead to the destruction of the Al Aqsa mosque during the war and rebuilding of the temple on the mount after the assumed US/NATO/Israel victory.
The plan is if the end times don't come, we make them come.
These are some sick motherfuckers |
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innocentbystander
User ID: 496097
9/8/2008 12:14 AM
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Interesting.. I'm a U.K. citizen, but don't blindly support the U.K., NATO or anyone else, not without good reason.
Just found this story 5 minutes ago:
Mass resignations in Turkey:
[ link to news.bbc.co.uk]
Great Find! Connected without a doubt!
Thank you, I think so too!
"“If a person does not harm any living being…
and does not kill or cause others to kill -
that person is a true spiritual practitioner.”
"
~ The Dhammapada
My Clan Heritage:
[link to www.ancestralscotland.com]
[link to atheistnation.net] |
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ttnet.tr
User ID: 499336
9/8/2008 12:45 AM
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Interesting.. I'm a U.K. citizen, but don't blindly support the U.K., NATO or anyone else, not without good reason.
Just found this story 5 minutes ago:
Mass resignations in Turkey:
[ link to news.bbc.co.uk]
Great Find! Connected without a doubt!
Thank you, I think so too!
LOOK AT THE DATE. TOO OLD............  |
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innocentbystander
User ID: 496097
9/8/2008 1:15 AM
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Good point.. lol
It's possible it's still related though, no? I mean, if there was gonna be disagreement or friction about Turkey's stance in this situation, we might see a bailout like this by people who potentially could have some foreknowledge.
Or I could just be clutching at straws. :)
"“If a person does not harm any living being…
and does not kill or cause others to kill -
that person is a true spiritual practitioner.”
"
~ The Dhammapada
My Clan Heritage:
[link to www.ancestralscotland.com]
[link to atheistnation.net] |
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TX PATRIOT
User ID: 440969
9/8/2008 1:41 AM | | Re: US to establish naval base in Georgia | Quote |
Nabucco is the King of Babylon.
Nabucco awakens, his reason fully regained. Asking forgiveness of the God of the Jews, he promises to rebuild the temple in Jerusalem, and follow the true faith.
Why the fuck would they name the pipeline after Nebuchadnezzar unless it had some meaning? The pipeline doesn't go into Iraq or what used to be Babylon, so why use that name?
This makes me wonder if we are heading for an Iran/Russia/Non Aligned vs. US/NATO/Israel conflict. This could lead to the destruction of the Al Aqsa mosque during the war and rebuilding of the temple on the mount after the assumed US/NATO/Israel victory.
The plan is if the end times don't come, we make them come.
These are some sick motherfuckers Quoting: Anonymous Coward 497483
Red's thread from 2007 **** Oil and Israel **** Israel to be transport route for M.E. and C.Asian. oil?
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
Her opening article...pay close attention to the players and the transport lines:
Oil and Israel
By Andrea Crandall
Feb/07/2007
Debate on the motivation for the Iraq War is shepherded into two camps: securing oil or securing Israel. In reality, the war is being fought to secure oil through Israel. US foreign policy is geared to make Israel its primary transport route for Middle Eastern and Central Asian oil. This also accomplishes two Israeli aims: ending dependence on US aid and toppling uncooperative neighbors.
Richard Perle's memo to Benjamin Netanyahu, “A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing The Realm,”[1] is rightfully cited as evidence of Israel's influence in the US's decision to attack Iraqi. However, overthrowing Saddam is not the main point of this memo. The “clean break” refers to ending Israel's dependence on US aid, which weakens Israel, and is the main source of control the US has over its ally.
This change in policy comes at a good time for the US. Friendly oil sources are dwindling. Massive spending on the Iraq invasion, as well as AIPAC spying scandals,[2] have drawn negative attention to the amount of US-Israeli aid. America's contributions to Israel may not be politically justifiable forever -- the States needs an out.
The “Clean-Breakers” in Israel have a big job to do. They must wean Israel from sixty years of aid and cheap loans from the US, during a shaky time for the Israeli economy. Before Perle et alia can free themselves from American interference, they need to find an alternative source of revenue. That type of revenue isn't going to come from featherless chickens[3] or even arms sales to China.[4] Israeli leaders have fallen back on the commodity that helped create Israel in the first place.
Oil and the History of Israel
Oil played a large role in the lives of Israel's fathers. In the 1880s, Alfonse Rothschild invested heavily in the Baku oil fields of modern Azerbaijan. As a partner in the highly-lucrative Royal Dutch Shell trust, Rothschild dominated oil transport from Baku fields to Europe. Estimates say between 42% [5] and 36% [6] of oil exports were Rothschild-controlled, more than twice the amount of the next-largest competitor, the Nobel Brothers. These oil exports were the lifeblood of the British Empire.
In 1917 Alfonse's British brother Lord Walter Rothschild played a crucial role in securing the Balfour Declaration from the cash-strapped Brits, and created the state of Israel.
Israel's fathers had hopes that their new state would be blessed with viable oil deposits. Over the past 60 years, at least 470 oil wells have been drilled in the tiny country[7] -- which have resulted in very little production. This was a big disappointment to everyone involved, considering Israel's location.
However, one doesn't need to have oil to make money from oil. Israel sits between the Mediterranean Sea, the Red Sea and the last great oil producing regions on earth. The Jewish state connects the biggest producers and the biggest consumers.
Israel was first considered as a major distributor in the 1950s, with the building of the Trans-Arabian Pipeline (Tapline). Originally, Haifa was chosen to be the western-end terminal. However, Israeli extremists' conflict with the British Mandate resulted in the Tapline being rerouted to Sidon, Lebanon -- via the Golan Heights.[8]
According to the US Energy Information Administration, the only reason that the US doesn't use Israel to transport oil is the danger of disruption from Palestinian unrest.[9] Perle also recognizes that destabilizing factor in “A Clean Break” and suggests breaking the Palestinians through “hot pursuit,” dismantling Palestinian representation in Jerusalem, and securing Jerusalem as the Israeli capital.
The US government has been wholehearted in its support for these tactics. Bush began moving the US embassy to Jerusalem in December 2006,[10] and extended the “International Emergency Economic Powers Act” another year.[11] This act prohibits anyone under US jurisdiction from contributing to organizations Bush deems “terrorist” -- including the democratically-elected Hamas government in Palestine.
The Neocons hope that soon oil pipelines will flow through Israel, unmolested.
What the pipe will look like
"The vast expanses of the former Soviet Union harbor oil and gas riches which will be crucial in fueling the global economy in the next century. The huge oil reserves, estimated at over 25 billion barrels, under the Caspian Sea and in the Central Asian republics of Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, and Uzbekistan are similar to those in Kuwait and larger than those in Alaska's Northern Slope and the North Sea combined. Control over these energy resources and export routes out of the Eurasian hinterland is quickly becoming one of the central issues in post-Cold War politics.” "The New 'Great Game': Oil Politics in the Caucasus and Central Asia," by Ariel Cohen, The Heritage Foundation 25th January 1996.
This Century's Oil Basket
Currently, the United State's best access to Caspian oil is through the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline (BTC pipeline), which runs through Azerbaijan, Georgia and Turkey. Its opening gave Turkey's geopolitical standing a huge boost (especially in the Middle East), as well as significant income. Israel has had rocky relations with Turkey -- relations that the Jewish State has tried to warm to secure plans for a pipeline from Ceyhan to the Mediterranean port of Ashkelon.[12] The BTC pipeline also forces the United States to take Turkey's opinions seriously.
All indications point to more “hydrocarbon power” for Turkey in the future: Russia has expressed interest in piping gas through Turkey.[13]
Turkish “hydrocarbon power” makes Israel and the US nervous. Turkey is an unsteady ally for Israel and America, as shown by Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan's hosting of a Hamas delegation in February 2006. American and Israeli support for Kurds on the Turkish boarder adds to the strain. On top of that, US military planners are worried about “defending” the BTC pipeline -- something that will only get harder if Turkey's power increases and the country gravitates outside of US control.[14]
It makes sense for the US to want an oil tap it knows is reliable. Israel fits that description nicely: it has ports on the Red Sea and the Mediterranean, has established military contacts with the USA and would provide a shorter pipe route for Iraqi and Middle Eastern oil than Turkey.
BTC- the Israeli version
Israel and the US intend to seize pipe routes that are being planned across Southwestern Asia.
Planned Pipe Routes -- Approximate Paths
Blue lines represent existing oil pipes.
Dotted lines represent alternate routes.
Source: Sanders Research Associates
In the past year, Syria, Iraq and Iran have proposed rehabilitating old pipelines and creating new pipelines to transport oil between each other. According to their plans, one pipe would start in Iran, stretch across Iraq and end on the Mediterranean Sea in Syria. The Iraqis and Syrians are talking separately of a pipe from Kirkuk to Syria. The two lines could be connected or expanded eastward along Iran's boarders to take oil from the Caspian Sea or Central Asian producers. This plan was first made public in October 2000, but was stymied by US involvement in Iraq.[15]
Originally, the US was dead-set against the Kirkuk-Syria pipe.[16] Now that America controls Iraq, the US wants to build that pipeline.[17] The Americans are very quiet about the new plans for the Syria-Iranian pipe -- presumably Syria and Iran are confident the Iraqi government will comply.[18] America is waiting to make its move until after these pipes are completed.
In “A Clean Break,” Perle states that Syria, Hezbollah (Lebanon) and Iran are a “challenge” to Israel. By looking at the proposed pipelines, we begin to understand the nature of that challenge. Syria, Lebanon and Iran chose routes that terminate too far north for Israel to benefit.
Syria, Iran and Lebanon are the pieces of the oil puzzle that America has not yet taken. Israel's disastrous incursion into Lebanon, as well as Bush's warmongering against Syria and Iran suggest the US will try to complete the puzzle. Once the US controls these three countries, it can begin shipping crude out of Israel's ports in Eilat and Ashkelon (the terminals of the Trans-Israel Pipeline, Tipline). Using the Tipline will give the oil alternate departure points, should one of the Mediterranean or Red Sea routes become unstable. Aside form US interests, the Eilat port allows Israel to service Far Eastern markets as well.
What other choices does America have?
The reason that this political and military maneuvering is necessary, is because the US does not want to deal with Russia for oil. Despite brief hopes for cooperation after the September 11th attacks, the US government has made it clear that it doesn't see Putin as a partner, and the US media has consistently painted Russia as a racist, undemocratic state.
In reality, the US government doesn't want to pay Russia for oil because Russia is a threat to its dominance. American foreign policy has aimed to undermine Russia's economy and sovereignty: through corrupt privatization programs and encouraging sham-revolutions along Russia's boarders. Putin has also shown some reluctance to cooperate with international financial elites -- perhaps his chief sin.
Whether it is in the American people's interest or not, the US government will avoid dealing with Russia for oil.
Out of the frying pan, into the fire
Will securing pipelines through Israel help secure oil for America's needs? Only if the US could do this without spreading even more anger throughout Southwest Asia. Turkey would be foolish to continue cooperating with the US after it invades Syria and Iran -- Turkey's pipe is next on the list.
Securing oil through Israel means that the US becomes dependent on Israel -- our only “friend” in a hostile world. Israel would control the tap to the American economy -- a tap that America paid to build. Not only would Tel Aviv be our crucial supplier, they would have other markets in Asia should Uncle Sam go bust. A great plan for securing the realm, a terrible plan for America.
[link to www.sandersresearch.com]
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 499301
9/8/2008 2:31 AM | | Re: US to establish naval base in Georgia | Quote |
where are the credible links backing up this post OP
smells like  to me......... |
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innocentbystander
User ID: 496097
9/8/2008 5:09 AM
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 499301
9/8/2008 5:35 AM | | Re: US to establish naval base in Georgia | Quote |
and which one of these are you claiming are credible?
the first one - a russian forum
the second one - an iranian propaganda site
or the third - another forum
NONE are credible........ |
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innocentbystander
User ID: 496097
9/8/2008 6:00 AM
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 178947
9/8/2008 6:10 AM | | Re: US to establish naval base in Georgia | Quote |
The SCO have a better deal for Turkey than NATO or the EU could ever offer.
So yes, Turkey will leave NATO. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 499301
9/8/2008 6:28 AM | | Re: US to establish naval base in Georgia | Quote |
Quoting: innocentbystander
Ya think thats credible - Quayle has been predicting the end of the world for years you lot are either very stupid or very gullable.
No wonder network marketing is so successful in the USA - with all you gullable suckers - it must be like 'clubbing seals' |
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innocentbystander
User ID: 496097
9/8/2008 6:40 AM
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Naa, you lost me now.
Which country is lucky enough to have you calling it home, AC?
Not really sure what you find so funny, if you think none of these things are or have been plausible, it's you who's the gullible one.
"“If a person does not harm any living being…
and does not kill or cause others to kill -
that person is a true spiritual practitioner.”
"
~ The Dhammapada
My Clan Heritage:
[link to www.ancestralscotland.com]
[link to atheistnation.net] |
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