If corn syrup is bad for you, then table sugar is equally as bad for you, since they are the same chemicals, exactly the same chemicals, exactly the same chemicals, exactly the same chemicals.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 499106
WOW did a light bulb go off???
why do you think we have been talking about honey , sweet leaf plants and molasses as alternatives to BOTH???
aaron_o.o rarely pure, never simple User ID: 487215 9/7/2008 4:49 PM
what you are touting are your beliefs and/or opinions, not facts. if i wanted to hear beliefs and opinions i would listen to some religious fundamentalist.
We would all like to think it is just regular sugar, even though regular sugar has been shown to be more addictive than cocaine.. HFCS, as bolded in my dr. Mercola cut and paste, is NOT natural, you will NOT find it in nature, period. look into it shillnonymous coward. "We must now face the harsh truth that the objectives of communism are being steadily advanced because many of us do not recognize the means used to advance them. ... The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a Conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists. The American mind simply has not come to a realization of the evil which has been introduced into our midst."
- J. Edgar Hoover
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Absolutely embarrassing and insane that people would actually target High Fructose Corn Syrup as something thats bad and kills.
its THE SAME AS TABLE SUGAR
it is made out of FRUCTOSE AND GLUCOSE 55%/45% MIX Where as table sugar is FRUCTOSE AND GLUCOSE 50%/50%
Just H Mother Fucking Christ
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 499106
Shill. And No one shouldbe eating lots of sugar.
You back inthe day, when people lived to be 100 all the time? They didn't have cold medicine, no drugs, ER rooms whenthey broke a leg, and no antiboitics.
They still lived longer.
They ate a cake Several times a year. A SLICE of cake. Christmas, weddings, birthdays. That is all. it wasn't around for anything but baking. There was no candy no choclate, no processed shit. It was all natural and home grown.
Now we have the average age of death as 70. (it's gone down from 84) and everyone on antidepressants, water pills, high blood pressure med, high cholesterol meds, asthma etc etc. It's all caused by chemicals and sugar. Period.
It would be nice to say it's my choice, but it isn't because these fucking CRIMINALS put shit in MY food and I don't know what IT is!!!! That's not an informed decision. This FDA holocaust needs to END. And that is exactly what it is. It's genocide.
Rats love HFCS but it kills them or at least that is what Meira Fields, Ph.D., research chemist at the USDA in Beltsville, Maryland says. "Rats normally live for a good two years, But the rats in my study fed a high-fructose, low copper diets are dying after 5 weeks." One of the few human studies of low-copper, high-fructose diets was abruptly stopped when 4 of the 24 subjects developed heart-related abnormalities, according to Fields. High fructose diets have also been implicated in the development of adult-onset diabetes. Fructose, especially when combined with other sugars, reduces stores of chromium, a mineral essential for maintaining balanced insulin levels, according to Richard Anderson, Ph.D., lead scientist at the Human Nutrition Research Center in Beltsville, Maryland.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 498963
As usual, one needs to take a very critical look at all scientific studies and research in order to understand where the science stops and the politics and hyping starts. 4 of 24 also means that 20 DID NOT suffer such consequences. OF course the study does not look into why those 4 developed heart-related abnormalities and the other 20 didn't. Was it really the high fructose low copper that caused those 4 to develop these abnormailites? Maybe it was the high fructose low copper diet that prevented such abnormalities in the other 20. Now if 20 developed the abnormalities and 4 didn't then I would indeed be inclined to thing the high frutcose low copper (note the Low Copper) was causing the abnormaility.
Without reading and critically analysising the original research, the MainStream Masses can be so easily hyped up into a frenzy.
If corn syrup is bad for you, then table sugar is equally as bad for you, since they are the same chemicals, exactly the same chemicals, exactly the same chemicals, exactly the same chemicals.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 499106
Bullshit........
Worse Than Sugar
Experts are finding that "high-fructose corn syrup" (HFCS) is making us fat. Scientists at nutrition research centers are saying that it's a huge problem.
Exactly what is "high-fructose corn syrup"? Well, it's not the same thing at all as the natural, healthy fructose in honey and fruit. "High-fructose corn syrup" is a highly refined, artificial product. It is created through an intricate process that transforms cornstarch into a thick, clear liquid. White sugar and "high-fructose corn syrup" are not the same. Industry advocates for corn growers say that they are the same. But nutritional science studies say that there is a big difference between the two. They say that "high-fructose corn syrup" is worse than sugar.
This manufactured fructose is sweeter than sugar in an unhealthy way, and is digested differently in a bad way. Research has shown that "high-fructose corn syrup" goes directly to the liver, releasing enzymes that instruct the body to then store fat! This may elevate triglyceride (fat in blood) levels and elevate cholesterol levels. This fake fructose may slow fat burning and cause weight gain. Other research indicates that it does not stimulate insulin production, which usually creates a sense of being full. Therefore, people may eat more than they should. Indications also are that the important chromium levels are lowered by this sweetener which may then contribute to type 2 diabetes. Obesity is a contributor too.
Many older Americans are overweight. As we age, our taste buds don't work as efficiently, prompting us to eat more of everything that tastes sweet. "High-fructose corn syrup" is in almost everything.
The dangers of white sugar have been known for a long time. But now the evidence seems clear that "high-fructose corn syrup" is an even more dangerous consequence for our love of sweets. Dietary experts are singling out this fake syrup as one reason for the startling rise in obesity in America and related increase in diabetes.
"High-fructose corn syrup" is not the corn syrup you buy in a bottle at the supermarket to use for baking. It's an artificial additive that's cheaper and easier for manufacturers of sodas and fruit juices to use. If you read labels, you'll find this additive in such products as pizzas, baked beans, candies, yeast breads, sweetened yogurt, baby food, ketchup, cookies, beer, sodas, juices and alarmingly in most brands of manufactured foods. I have to read a lot of labels to find a brand that doesn't contain "HFCS". If the artificial additive "high-fructose corn syrup" is added to an otherwise healthy food, is it still healthy? If you add a speck of poison to vitamins, are they still good for you? After all, just a speck of poison probably won't hurt you on the spot, but accumulative amounts most probably will. 30 years of these accumulative affects of "high-fructose corn syrup" is evident in the obesity and health problems we have today.
Manufacturers of food products began substituting "high-fructose corn syrup" for white sugar in the 1970's. A red flag went up in my mind when I read these facts. I remember distinctly in the 70's when this happened. I was in the habit of drinking one Coca Cola every day since the 1960's. I never put on weight with only one coke per day. I clearly remember when this fake corn syrup replaced the sugar in sodas. The cola's didn't taste as good, and I began to put on weight. I remember that I knew it was the Cokes, but couldn't figure out why. I never made the connection between my weight gain and the change from sugar to "high-fructose corn syrup".
I believe that there's something meaningful in the fact that the increase of the use of "high-fructose corn syrup" in the 1990's, coincides with the obesity epidemic. This coincidence cannot easily be explained away. Annual consumption of this artificial sweetener today is more than 60 pounds per person. It was only about 1/2 pound per person in 1970. The U.S. Agriculture Department reports that Americans consume more "high-fructose corn syrup" than white sugar.
"High-fructose corn syrup" is highly valued by food manufacturers. It's easy to transport in tanker trucks. It isn't susceptible to freezer burn, as is sugar. It has a long shelf life and keeps foods from becoming dry. It gives bread and baked products a wonderful color. It's also cheaper than white sugar, partly because of generous federal subsidies and trade policies that encourage farmers to grow more corn. Fast food chains add it to their products because it is cheaper. It's in the sauces, in the condiments, in the breadings, in the buns and in the drinks. It is the commercially preferred artificial sweetener.
You can't compare mere percentages of Sucrose/Glucose in HFCS vs. table sugar, as they are chemically combined in table sugar, but simply physically mixed in HFCS:
Cane sugar and Beet sugar are both relatively pure sucrose. While the glucose and fructose which are the two components of HFCS are monosaccharides, sucrose is a disaccharide composed of glucose and fructose linked together with a relatively weak glycosidic bond. A molecule of sucrose (with a chemical formula of C12H22O11) can be broken down into a molecule of glucose (C6H12O6) plus a molecule of fructose (also C6H12O6 — an isomer of glucose) in a weakly acidic environment[citation needed]. Sucrose is broken down during digestion into fructose and glucose through hydrolysis by the enzyme sucrase, by which the body regulates the rate of sucrose breakdown. Without this regulation mechanism, the body has less control over the rate of sugar absorption into the bloodstream.
The fact that sucrose is composed of glucose and fructose units chemically bonded complicates the comparison between cane sugar and HFCS. Sucrose, glucose and fructose are unique, distinct molecules. Sucrose is broken down into its constituent monosaccharides - namely fructose and glucose - in weakly acidic environments by a process called inversion.[citation needed] This same process occurs in the stomach and in the small intestine during the digestion of sucrose into fructose and glucose.[citation needed] People with sucrase deficiency cannot digest (break down) sucrose, and thus exhibit sucrose intolerance.
Both HFCS and sucrose have approximately 4 kcal per gram of solid if the HFCS is dried; HFCS has approximately 3 kcal per gram in its liquid form [8].
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The fact that sucrose is composed of glucose and fructose units chemically bonded complicates the comparison between cane sugar and HFCS. Sucrose, glucose and fructose are unique, distinct molecules. Sucrose is broken down into its constituent monosaccharides - namely fructose and glucose - in weakly acidic environments by a process called inversion.
We would all like to think it is just regular sugar, even though regular sugar has been shown to be more addictive than cocaine...
Quoting: aaron_o.o
Really? More addictive than Cocaine? What a joke that piece of tripe really is... I guess that really means that Cocaine is really no where more addictive than pot. Meth is vastly more addictive than cocaine, so is heroin, so is opium.
But what I really want to know is if regular sugar is more addictive than alcohol or nicotine? (Both of which remain legal).
Where are the Cracked Sugar houses? I'm going to mug you because I need my fix of sugar, etc..
But screw all the science and just COMPARE THE TASTE of HFCS vs. sucrose. Which one tastes more "sickening sweet"? And why?
The glucose component of HFCS requires no intermediate digestion but is immediately absorbed into the bloodstream. On the other hand, the glucose component of sucrose requires an intermediate digestive step (it must be broken apart from the fructose component). That's why most folks find HFCS more sickening sweet (literally!)
If corn syrup is bad for you, then table sugar is equally as bad for you, since they are the same chemicals, exactly the same chemicals, exactly the same chemicals, exactly the same chemicals.
Bullshit........
Worse Than Sugar
Experts are finding that "high-fructose corn syrup" (HFCS) is making us fat. Scientists at nutrition research centers are saying that it's a huge problem.
Exactly what is "high-fructose corn syrup"? Well, it's not the same thing at all as the natural, healthy fructose in honey and fruit. "High-fructose corn syrup" is a highly refined, artificial product. It is created through an intricate process that transforms cornstarch into a thick, clear liquid. White sugar and "high-fructose corn syrup" are not the same. Industry advocates for corn growers say that they are the same. But nutritional science studies say that there is a big difference between the two. They say that "high-fructose corn syrup" is worse than sugar.
This manufactured fructose is sweeter than sugar in an unhealthy way, and is digested differently in a bad way. Research has shown that "high-fructose corn syrup" goes directly to the liver, releasing enzymes that instruct the body to then store fat! This may elevate triglyceride (fat in blood) levels and elevate cholesterol levels. This fake fructose may slow fat burning and cause weight gain. Other research indicates that it does not stimulate insulin production, which usually creates a sense of being full. Therefore, people may eat more than they should. Indications also are that the important chromium levels are lowered by this sweetener which may then contribute to type 2 diabetes. Obesity is a contributor too.
Many older Americans are overweight. As we age, our taste buds don't work as efficiently, prompting us to eat more of everything that tastes sweet. "High-fructose corn syrup" is in almost everything.
The dangers of white sugar have been known for a long time. But now the evidence seems clear that "high-fructose corn syrup" is an even more dangerous consequence for our love of sweets. Dietary experts are singling out this fake syrup as one reason for the startling rise in obesity in America and related increase in diabetes.
"High-fructose corn syrup" is not the corn syrup you buy in a bottle at the supermarket to use for baking. It's an artificial additive that's cheaper and easier for manufacturers of sodas and fruit juices to use. If you read labels, you'll find this additive in such products as pizzas, baked beans, candies, yeast breads, sweetened yogurt, baby food, ketchup, cookies, beer, sodas, juices and alarmingly in most brands of manufactured foods. I have to read a lot of labels to find a brand that doesn't contain "HFCS". If the artificial additive "high-fructose corn syrup" is added to an otherwise healthy food, is it still healthy? If you add a speck of poison to vitamins, are they still good for you? After all, just a speck of poison probably won't hurt you on the spot, but accumulative amounts most probably will. 30 years of these accumulative affects of "high-fructose corn syrup" is evident in the obesity and health problems we have today.
Manufacturers of food products began substituting "high-fructose corn syrup" for white sugar in the 1970's. A red flag went up in my mind when I read these facts. I remember distinctly in the 70's when this happened. I was in the habit of drinking one Coca Cola every day since the 1960's. I never put on weight with only one coke per day. I clearly remember when this fake corn syrup replaced the sugar in sodas. The cola's didn't taste as good, and I began to put on weight. I remember that I knew it was the Cokes, but couldn't figure out why. I never made the connection between my weight gain and the change from sugar to "high-fructose corn syrup".
I believe that there's something meaningful in the fact that the increase of the use of "high-fructose corn syrup" in the 1990's, coincides with the obesity epidemic. This coincidence cannot easily be explained away. Annual consumption of this artificial sweetener today is more than 60 pounds per person. It was only about 1/2 pound per person in 1970. The U.S. Agriculture Department reports that Americans consume more "high-fructose corn syrup" than white sugar.
"High-fructose corn syrup" is highly valued by food manufacturers. It's easy to transport in tanker trucks. It isn't susceptible to freezer burn, as is sugar. It has a long shelf life and keeps foods from becoming dry. It gives bread and baked products a wonderful color. It's also cheaper than white sugar, partly because of generous federal subsidies and trade policies that encourage farmers to grow more corn. Fast food chains add it to their products because it is cheaper. It's in the sauces, in the condiments, in the breadings, in the buns and in the drinks. It is the commercially preferred artificial sweetener.
What's worse than sugar? Now you know.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 488963
Thank you so much for this!!!
You are correct...I don't have a weight problem, but I do remember the change in taste when I was a kid back in the 70's....anything that uses sweeteners, as a figuratively large percentage, did indeed change in flavor. Coca Cola comes to mind...
The bottom line is that corn syrup is cheaper, so corporations are going to use it for their bottom lines. Now, I for one, am absolutely wary of multinational corporations run amok!
Trust your senses folks! WHAT TASTES BETTER? Your body is talking to you all the time... are you listening?
Old timers will remember the superior taste of Coca-cola from fountains, way back when sucrose was the main sweetener, not HFCS (that precious brew also didn't contain sodium benzoate, and wasn't stored in aluminum cans...)
they make the white one look stupid an the black one smart with her mis info.now every black on the planet will be swigging down corn syrup ahhh reverse psyop.trying to kill all the blacks by making them swill corn syrup
You are correct...I don't have a weight problem, but I do remember the change in taste when I was a kid back in the 70's....anything that uses sweeteners, as a figuratively large percentage, did indeed change in flavor. Coca Cola comes to mind...
The bottom line is that corn syrup is cheaper, so corporations are going to use it for their bottom lines. Now, I for one, am absolutely wary of multinational corporations run amok!
The best to rely to our own experience...there is one of the many heavily advertised weight loss diets that actually eliminates anything that contain HFCS from our diet while gives good substitutes. This one is working for me: my cravings and slow digestion have disappeared shortly after beginning it. I dont put it here, cus no spam, but you can find it online (actually it is difficult, because they are hiding the guiding principle, tell you only after you signed on and paid.)Clue: S.B.D. We are all ONE. I feel your pain, and -if you open up enough- you can share my joy as well. As empathy is growing on personal and global level, so the world becomes a better place to live. Fight, competition, hate, fear, anger, guilt will be "losers".
There is only ONE commandment, it is coming from inside: DON'T HARM (except when you defend yourself).
I know, that shit pises me off so fucking bad I want to murder the actors and then go on from there.
Here: HFCS KILLS pancretic cells and therefore causes Diabetes.
Simple, isn't it?
What's stopping you?
Shut up. if you're going to be a smart as, be an effective smart ass. You are so half hearted at everything. Boring
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 433558
No, he is right, don't say shit like that and not have the stones to back it up chief.
They probably really are moms.
Go kill them because they made some money by selling a product made from processed corn.
Go on, do what you say!
You are worse than drinking warm water.
YOU SICK FUCK! [link to www.youtube.com]
A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor and bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government.-- Thomas Jefferson
The best to rely to our own experience...there is one of the many heavily advertised weight loss diets that actually eliminates anything that contain HFCS from our diet while gives good substitutes. This one is working for me: my cravings and slow digestion have disappeared shortly after beginning it. I dont put it here, cus no spam, but you can find it online (actually it is difficult, because they are hiding the guiding principle, tell you only after you signed on and paid.)Clue: S.B.D.
Quoting: emerald_glow
Emerald_glow, if you type the full name of your program backwards it will usually get past the word filters. Thanks...
Don't forget the obesity problem. It can kill, too.
HFCS and trans fats has more than likely led to the obesity epidemic as well as many other health problems like strokes and heart attacks.
Quoting: aaron_o.o
Or, this is just a maybe, or people are more sedate and sedentary and eat way to much?
Could it be that?
Oh HELL NO, it can't be the fat peoples fault they fucking fat, can it, lord no!
WHAT A FUCKING JOKE!
Your life.
Your actions.
Be accountable! [link to www.youtube.com]
A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor and bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government.-- Thomas Jefferson
"Sucrose is broken down into its constituent monosaccharides - namely fructose and glucose - in weakly acidic environments by a process called inversion.[citation needed] This same process occurs in the stomach and in the small intestine during the digestion of sucrose into fructose and glucose.[citation needed] People with sucrase deficiency cannot digest (break down) sucrose, and thus exhibit sucrose intolerance." -- wikipedia cititation.
Did you catch that, the "inversion" process? Sucrose is broken down by weak acid into fructose and glucose. The stomach is a high acid environment, so any sucrose you eat (natural honey, cane sugar, etc) gets broken down into fructose and glucose in the "normal" stomach and small intestine. Net product of the reaction is frutcose and glucose. IF you have a sucrase deficiency you can't break the sucrose down into frutcose and glucose, so having that step done outside the body is an aid and not a hinderance. This is the same sort of reason people lacking the enyzmes to extract B-12 from their food get B-12 shots.
Likewise a lack of a particular enyzme in the pancrease causes both diabetis and hyper/hypo glucemia which is caused by a lack of insulin or rather a lack of the moderation of the amount of insulin in the blood stream. Hence, insulin injections make up for something the body is not doing.
From this logic it would appear that HFCS is in fact reducing what would have been a much higher diabetic rate.
Yet the question is whether or not HFCS is causing something else that is making the pancrease (sp) stop producing insulin or at the least reducing the amount of insulin it had been producing.
Those having diets high in HFCS may also be in diets that being low fat, are causing their livers to make adjustments it would not have to make if the diet had more fat in it.
In many ways the move to low, lower, lowest fat diets is the most likely culpriut in many health issues. We DO NEED SOME FAT!
This is the person who posted that HFCS as worse than sugar is bullshit.
Fat is caused by total calories per day, not by HFCS VS Table Sugar. You must count your total calories you intake no matter what the source and form of them are.
LEGION, FOR THERE ARE MANY User ID: 186213 9/7/2008 5:30 PM
But screw all the science and just COMPARE THE TASTE of HFCS vs. sucrose. Which one tastes more "sickening sweet"? And why?
The glucose component of HFCS requires no intermediate digestion but is immediately absorbed into the bloodstream. On the other hand, the glucose component of sucrose requires an intermediate digestive step (it must be broken apart from the fructose component). That's why most folks find HFCS more sickening sweet (literally!)
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 498024
ANd there you have it.. straight into the blood stream skipping several natural digestive steps. Right into the blood stream right from the blood vessels right in the tonuge.
This is basically the same sort of difference one would find in "Free basing THC" verses eating pot in brownies, for instance.
Chewing Cocoa leaves vs free basing cocaine.
It really is all about the concentration of the chemicals in question and their purity.
BTW, poster I quote, you can't answer the WHY without resorting to science. But your point is well made none the less.
You can eat Cane, and Sugar Cane and not experience the same effects you have eating Cane Sugar.
Moderation in all things.
Always remeber, Mice are not Humans, and as much as the MSM would like you to think Humans are Mice, they are not. Mice resent such comparisons... or so the one sitting here on the floor who just ran across my bare foot is telling me.... little does it know that the Decon sitting there up against the wall will undo him and his opinions.
Agenda 21 to depopulate the earth, doing it big time here in the US. How many of you have health insurance?
Quoting: starlight_afar
How many don't?
That is the real question. [link to www.youtube.com]
A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor and bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government.-- Thomas Jefferson
Agenda 21 to depopulate the earth, doing it big time here in the US. How many of you have health insurance?
Quoting: starlight_afar
But the question does remain, left alone -- that is 'safely sheltered away from modern food science and birth control -- one wonders if the Human population would really be higher, or would it be lower?
It could well be seen that the move to ban things like HFCS is a move put in place by the advocates and forces of Agenda 21.
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ahhh reverse psyop.trying to kill all the blacks by making them swill corn syrup 
