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"While it is not yet possible to calculate the cost of the government’s intervention, it could rise into tens of billions of dollars and will probably be among the most expensive rescues ever financed by taxpayers"

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September 7, 2008
Mortgage Giant Overstated the Size of Its Capital Base
By GRETCHEN MORGENSON and CHARLES DUHIGG
The government’s planned takeover of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, expected to be announced as early as this weekend, came together hurriedly after advisers poring over the companies’ books for the Treasury Department concluded that Freddie’s accounting methods had overstated its capital cushion, according to regulatory officials briefed on the matter.

The proposal to place both mortgage giants, which own or back $5.3 trillion in mortgages, into a government-run conservatorship also grew out of deep concern among foreign investors that the companies’ debt might not be repaid. Falling home prices, which are expected to lead to more defaults among the mortgages held or guaranteed by Fannie and Freddie, contributed to the urgency, regulators said.

The details of the deal have not fully emerged, but it appears that investors who own the companies’ common stock will be virtually wiped out; preferred shareholders, who have priority over other shareholders, may also wind up with little. Holders of debt, including many foreign central banks, are expected to receive government backing. Top executives at both companies will be pushed out, according to those briefed on the plan.

While it is not yet possible to calculate the cost of the government’s intervention, it could rise into tens of billions of dollars and will probably be among the most expensive rescues ever financed by taxpayers. The takeover comes on the heels of a rescue of the investment bank Bear Stearns, which was sold to JPMorgan in a deal backed by taxpayer dollars. Already, the housing crisis has cost investors hundreds of billions of dollars.

Both presidential nominees expressed support for the government’s plans to take over the companies. The chief economic adviser to Senator John McCain, Republican of Arizona, who has long been critical of the mortgage giants, said on Saturday that Mr. McCain considered it an unfortunate but necessary step.

Senator Barack Obama, Democrat of Illinois, said as he campaigned in Indiana on Saturday that not acting could place the housing market in further distress. “These entities are so big and they are so tied into the housing market that it is probably true that we have to take steps to make sure they don’t just collapse,” Mr. Obama told an audience in Terre Haute, Ind. But he added that the government needed to take steps to guard against Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac ultimately profiting from the government assistance.

The big question now is whether the federal government’s move to take over Fannie and Freddie will restore investor confidence in the nation’s credit markets, help stabilize the stock market and keep loans flowing to creditworthy borrowers.

Fannie and Freddie, by buying mortgages, provide banks and other financial institutions with fresh money to make new loans, a vital lubricant for the housing and credit markets.

As a result of the government’s intervention, the cost of borrowing for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac should decline, because the government will be standing behind their debts. Equally important, because the government is backing the companies, their buying and selling of loans will continue.

But the plan to bail out the firms will probably do little to stop home prices from falling further. And foreclosures are almost certain to rise.

Just a week ago, Treasury officials were still considering a wide variety of options for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, ranging from doing nothing to taking over the companies completely, according to people with knowledge of those discussions.

The Treasury secretary, Henry M. Paulson Jr., who won authority from Congress last month to use taxpayer funds to bolster the companies, always maintained that he hoped never to use that power. But, as the companies’ stocks continued to languish, some within the Treasury Department began urging Mr. Paulson to intervene quickly.

Then, last week, advisers from Morgan Stanley hired by the Treasury Department to scrutinize the companies came to a troubling conclusion: Freddie Mac’s capital position was worse than initially imagined, according to people briefed on those findings. The company had made decisions that, while not necessarily in violation of accounting rules, had the effect of overstating the firm’s capital resources and financial stability.

Indeed, one person briefed on the company’s finances said Freddie Mac had made accounting decisions that pushed losses into the future and postponed a capital shortfall until the fourth quarter of this year, which would not need to be disclosed until early 2009. Fannie Mae has used similar methods, but to a lesser degree, according to other people who have been briefed.

Representatives of both companies did not return calls or declined to comment.

On Friday, executives from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were ordered to appear in the offices of their regulator, James B. Lockhart, in separate meetings, and were told that the Treasury Department was exercising its authority to place the companies in conservatorship, which would allow for uninterrupted operation of the firms but would put them under the control of Mr. Lockhart.

The details of those plans continued to be worked out on Saturday, when the Federal Reserve chairman, Ben S. Bernanke, Mr. Paulson, Mr. Lockhart and key company executives met in Washington.

While Freddie Mac’s accounting woes make it easier for regulators to force the company into conservatorship, there was more resistance from Fannie Mae, according to people familiar with the discussions. However, given Fannie Mae’s declining financial condition, and the fact that even a slightly pessimistic statement from Mr. Paulson about the company’s finances would be likely to send its stock price into a tailspin, the company has few options but to concede to the government’s demands.

Both companies have the option of challenging the conservatorship and asking for a judicial review. Such a move, however, would probably be disastrous for their stock prices.

Accusations of improper accounting are not new for either company. Earlier this decade, both companies paid large fines and ousted their top executives after accounting scandals.

Freddie Mac’s current chief executive and chairman, Richard F. Syron, joined the company in 2003 after the former managers revealed they had manipulated earnings by almost $5 billion. The following year Fannie Mae’s chief executive, Daniel H. Mudd, was promoted to the top spot after that company was accused of accounting errors totaling $6.3 billion. People familiar with Treasury’s plan say that both men, as well as other top executives, will be forced to leave the companies.

The accounting issues that brought so much urgency to the bailout appear to center on Freddie Mac’s capital cushion, the assets that regulators require it to keep on hand to cover losses.

The methods used to bolster that cushion have caused serious concerns among the companies’ regulator, outside auditors from Morgan Stanley brought in by the Treasury Department and some investors. For example, while Freddie Mac’s portfolio contains many securities backed by so-called subprime and alt-A loans, which are one step up from the riskier mortgages, the company has not written down those loans’ values to reflect current market prices.

Executives have argued that because they intend to hold the loans to maturity, they need not write down their value. But other banks and financial institutions have written down the value of those securities, even if they continue holding them, under “mark-to-market” accounting rules. Freddie Mac holds roughly double the securities that Fannie Mae does.

Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae have also inflated their financial positions by relying on deferred-tax assets — credits that the companies have built up over the years that can be used to offset future profits. Fannie maintains that its worth is increased by $36 billion through such credits, and Freddie argues that it has a $28 billion benefit.

But such credits have no value until the companies generate a profit — something they have failed to do over the last four quarters, and something that is increasingly unlikely within the next year. Moreover, even when the companies’ profits soared, such credits were often unusable because the companies also had large numbers of affordable housing tax credits, which themselves offset profits.

One analyst estimates the companies, in the future, would have to collect roughly double the profits of the past five years for the credits to become usable. Most financial institutions are not allowed to count such credits as assets in the manner used by Fannie and Freddie.

Regulators and auditors may question the companies’ use of deferred-tax credits because they cannot be sold to anyone else and they would disappear in a receivership. And, if those credits were not counted as assets, both companies would probably fall below the capital threshold they are required to hold.

Finally, regulators are said to be scrutinizing whether the companies were trying to manage their earnings by maneuvering the timing of reserves set aside to offset losses from defaulted loans. Each quarter, both companies have gradually increased their loss reserves — Fannie’s reserves today stand at $8.9 billion, and Freddie’s at $5.8 billion. However, regulators and auditors felt strongly that both companies should have identified larger potential losses immediately, and set aside much more from the beginning.

Other companies, like private mortgage insurers, have identified much larger losses and have set aside much larger amounts of capital. Fannie and Freddie, however, have delayed the recognition of such losses, dribbling out bad news with each quarterly announcement, suggesting a strategy to manage the recognition of losses.

Finally, regulators are concerned that the companies have mischaracterized their financial health by relaxing their policies on when to recognize a loss on a defaulted loan, according to people familiar with the review. For years, both companies have effectively done that when a loan is 90 days past due. But, in recent months, both companies said they would extend that to two years.

As a result, tens of thousands of loans that previously would have been marked down have maintained their value. The companies have injected their own capital into pools of securities, arguing that new business policies are helping greater numbers of borrowers.

Under conservative accounting methods, such a change in policy should not have any impact on the companies’ books. However, people briefed on the accounting inquiry said that Freddie Mac may have been using their new policy to delay recognition of losses.

“We have just had to nationalize the two largest financial institutions in the world because of policy makers’ inaction,” said Josh Rosner, an analyst at Graham Fisher, an independent research firm in New York, and a longtime critic of the government-sponsored enterprises. “Since 2003, when these companies’ accounting came under question, policy makers have done nothing. Even though they had every reason to know that the housing market’s problems would not be contained to subprime and would bring down the houses of Fannie and Freddie.”

Reporting was contributed by Stephen Labaton and Edmund L. Andrews in Washington; Jeff Zeleny from Terre Haute, Ind.; and Elisabeth Bumiller from Colorado Springs.



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Anonymous Coward
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9/7/2008 4:03 PM
Re: WTF !! WTF !! WTF !! WTF !!! NTY .- FANNIE/FREDDIE : THE MOST EXPENSIVE RESCUE EVER FINANCED BY TAXPAYERS !!!Quote

You meant to say "by China".

Congrats "conservatives" and democrats, China now owns the majority of homes in the United states.
Anonymous Coward
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9/7/2008 4:17 PM
Re: WTF !! WTF !! WTF !! WTF !!! NTY .- FANNIE/FREDDIE : THE MOST EXPENSIVE RESCUE EVER FINANCED BY TAXPAYERS !!!Quote

and new CEO is from Carlyle, the global machine controlled by the Bushes.
Anonymous Coward
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9/7/2008 4:19 PM
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David Moffett, who served as vice chairman and chief financial officer of U.S. Bancorp until early 2007 and then joined the Carlyle Group private-equity firm as a senior advisor, will take over Freddie Mac.

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Anonymous Coward
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9/7/2008 4:22 PM
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[link to www.carlyle.com]

David M. Moffett
Senior Advisor

Fund : Global Financial Services Buyout
Industry : Financial Services


David Moffett is a Senior Advisor focused on opportunities in the global financial services sector.

Mr. Moffett retired as Vice Chairman and Chief Financial Officer of U.S. Bancorp in 2007 having served the company in this capacity since 1993. Moffett was responsible for all the company’s financial management responsibilities including corporate accounting and reporting, tax credit investments, insurance, real estate, purchasing, treasury, venture capital, corporate real estate, media and investor relations, strategic planning, pension management, and mergers and acquisitions. From 1998 to 2001 he was also responsible for the company’s asset management, wealth management, trust, and fiduciary activities.

Prior to joining U.S. Bancorp, Mr. Moffett was a Senior Vice President and Assistant Treasurer in Corporate Treasury at BankAmerica Corporation, San Francisco, CA. Moffett joined BankAmerica in 1992 as a result of the merger with Los Angeles-based Security Pacific Corporation where he served as Senior Vice President and Director of Corporate Treasury since 1990. He joined Security Pacific National Bank in 1989 as a Senior Vice President responsible for the lead bank’s domestic and international treasury group.

Mr. Moffett was ranked among the top three CFOs in the banking industry in Institutional Investor Magazine, Feb. 2005.

Previously, Mr. Moffett was Chairman of the CFO Council of the Financial Services Roundtable in Washington, D.C., a Financial Services Industry Advisor of Standard & Poors Rating Service in New York, a Financial Services Industry Advisor of Moody’s Rating Service in New York and a member of the CFO Roundtable, Bank Administration Institute in Chicago.

Mr. Moffett holds a bachelor's degree in economics from the University of Oklahoma and a master's degree in business administration from Southern Methodist University. He is also a graduate of the Stonier Graduate School of Banking, Rutgers University. Mr. Moffett serves on the Boards of Directors of eBay, Inc., MBIA Insurance Corporation, E.W. Scripps, Inc., and Building Materials Holding Corporation. He is also affliated with the Board of Advisors of the Michael F. Price School of Business, University of Oklahoma.
Transparencies
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9/7/2008 4:38 PM
Re: WTF !! WTF !! WTF !! WTF !!! NTY .- FANNIE/FREDDIE : THE MOST EXPENSIVE RESCUE EVER FINANCED BY TAXPAYERS !!!Quote

and new CEO is from Carlyle, the global machine controlled by the Bushes.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 499028

Yep, but you have to make it plain to the viewers abroad that a power-broker approved mechanic is looking after their investment...
AC
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9/7/2008 4:40 PM
Re: WTF !! WTF !! WTF !! WTF !!! NTY .- FANNIE/FREDDIE : THE MOST EXPENSIVE RESCUE EVER FINANCED BY TAXPAYERS !!!Quote

I love how the gop has reduced the size of government.

They believe in deregulation only so their friends can screw people out ot money--THEN they bail them out.

what a party. By all means vote them in again.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 498998
9/7/2008 4:42 PM
Re: WTF !! WTF !! WTF !! WTF !!! NTY .- FANNIE/FREDDIE : THE MOST EXPENSIVE RESCUE EVER FINANCED BY TAXPAYERS !!!Quote

The Bush administration has successfully acted to avert the potential for major financial turmoil!!

chorus
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 440235
9/7/2008 4:47 PM
Re: WTF !! WTF !! WTF !! WTF !!! NTY .- FANNIE/FREDDIE : THE MOST EXPENSIVE RESCUE EVER FINANCED BY TAXPAYERS !!!Quote

Communism at its finest.

Oh and btw, I don't want to hear about any idiot complaining about how blacks and mexicans are stealing the hard working white man's tax dollars. The malfeasance of the old white ceos of these two companies are costing trillions more to the government than any social welfare program ever has in this short of a time period. So suck on that.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 54326
9/7/2008 4:49 PM
Re: WTF !! WTF !! WTF !! WTF !!! NTY .- FANNIE/FREDDIE : THE MOST EXPENSIVE RESCUE EVER FINANCED BY TAXPAYERS !!!Quote

crooks they are unfucking believable.

wtf
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 463182
9/7/2008 4:50 PM
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Communism at its finest.

Oh and btw, I don't want to hear about any idiot complaining about how blacks and mexicans are stealing the hard working white man's tax dollars. The malfeasance of the old white ceos of these two companies are costing trillions more to the government than any social welfare program ever has in this short of a time period. So suck on that.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 440235



They are paving the way for the Obama administration to "Bail Out" Exxon/Mobile.
Earth420
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9/7/2008 4:50 PM
Re: WTF !! WTF !! WTF !! WTF !!! NTY .- FANNIE/FREDDIE : THE MOST EXPENSIVE RESCUE EVER FINANCED BY TAXPAYERS !!!Quote

Spending money like there is no tomorrow...

The taxpayers money as well, and what will this really do in the long run? Like we arent in a recession, verge of depression already...

Peace
Anonymous Coward
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9/7/2008 4:51 PM
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Privatize Profits and Socialize Losses.
Omega Subscriber
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9/7/2008 4:53 PM
Re: WTF !! WTF !! WTF !! WTF !!! NTY .- FANNIE/FREDDIE : THE MOST EXPENSIVE RESCUE EVER FINANCED BY TAXPAYERS !!!Quote

We got Enron'd X 1000
Yahoo IM omega375hh
Anonymous Coward
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9/7/2008 4:55 PM
Re: WTF !! WTF !! WTF !! WTF !!! NTY .- FANNIE/FREDDIE : THE MOST EXPENSIVE RESCUE EVER FINANCED BY TAXPAYERS !!!Quote

I love how the gop has reduced the size of government.

They believe in deregulation only so their friends can screw people out ot money--THEN they bail them out.

what a party. By all means vote them in again.
 Quoting: AC 494035



I'm with you on this....I used to admit to being a republican...but this party is not what represents me...

Folks, the truth is that this country has had a coup...simple as that....but don't try anything, as preparations are now complete for any eventuality by the populace.

Omega started a similar thread, but we need his obligatory Time magazine graphic.
Anonymous Coward
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9/7/2008 5:07 PM
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Both parties are equally to blame. Look at this Congress, who has an approval rating of about 9%. When are we going to get some independents in who will be FOR the people, instead of trying to fleece them?

I told everyone that would listen a year ago that this is what was going to happen. Stick it to the tax payers again, like they did in the '80's.

Our kids and grandkids are not going to have a pot to piss in by the time the politicians get through with them.
Anonymous Coward
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9/7/2008 5:17 PM
Re: WTF !! WTF !! WTF !! WTF !!! NTY .- FANNIE/FREDDIE : THE MOST EXPENSIVE RESCUE EVER FINANCED BY TAXPAYERS !!!Quote

Socialize the losses !!
Anonymous Coward
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9/7/2008 5:19 PM
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Is the US government going to absorb these companies losses? That could be catastrophic for our economy.
starlight_afar
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9/7/2008 5:22 PM
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If China owns these homes, etc. now then China can charge any rent they so desire or have whoever live in them they so desire. Sadly its no longer our Country is it.
Mr.Caine..
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9/7/2008 5:22 PM
Re: WTF !! WTF !! WTF !! WTF !!! NTY .- FANNIE/FREDDIE : THE MOST EXPENSIVE RESCUE EVER FINANCED BY TAXPAYERS !!!Quote

I love how the gop has reduced the size of government.

They believe in deregulation only so their friends can screw people out ot money--THEN they bail them out.

what a party. By all means vote them in again.
 Quoting: AC 494035



This cluster-fuk was brought too you by the
NON-government Fed Reserve.

It's been the Bankers doing the screw'n made
easier by bought off pollies..


..
No way Won't Pay
User ID: 429261
9/7/2008 5:26 PM
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It has begun ... scream

But High Fructose Corn Syrup is OK in moderation. I just got the facts.
Robert46
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9/7/2008 5:26 PM
Re: WTF !! WTF !! WTF !! WTF !!! NTY .- FANNIE/FREDDIE : THE MOST EXPENSIVE RESCUE EVER FINANCED BY TAXPAYERS !!!Quote

The Bush administration has successfully acted to avert the potential for major financial turmoil!!

chorus
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 498998


I guess you are that STUPID! I guess you some how think Americans that are wise with their money and make good financial decisions owe the people who make BAD decisions!

God-dammed socialist and you're a bush administration ass kisser to boot!


sbus
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 380853
9/7/2008 5:29 PM
Re: WTF !! WTF !! WTF !! WTF !!! NTY .- FANNIE/FREDDIE : THE MOST EXPENSIVE RESCUE EVER FINANCED BY TAXPAYERS !!!Quote

I love how the gop has reduced the size of government.

They believe in deregulation only so their friends can screw people out ot money--THEN they bail them out.

what a party. By all means vote them in again.
 Quoting: AC 494035



Yep, give credit where credit is due!!

Vote there ass in again. Its just too bad that Dick Cheney is isn't running for President. I would love to be able to shove that SOB straight up the Repubs ass for another 8.
Anonymous Coward
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9/7/2008 5:30 PM
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The Carlyle Group indcludes the bin Laden family and the Bush family and James Baker and many more. To my knowledge there is no Chinese or Russian anywhere.

I'm more worried about that fact than the fact that we duped China and Russia and the rest of the world into buying a bunch of worthless securities/mortgages. Their collective hands are tied without harming their own economies seriously.

Just like the S& L crisis ... we just burned more of the world for a lot more money.
RichversusPoor
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9/7/2008 5:37 PM
Re: WTF !! WTF !! WTF !! WTF !!! NTY .- FANNIE/FREDDIE : THE MOST EXPENSIVE RESCUE EVER FINANCED BY TAXPAYERS !!!Quote

When the politicians were trying to get approval to put the taxpayers on the hook, the Fed, President, SEC and the whole gang was saying that things were not that bad. AFTER the liabilities are put on the AMERICAN TAXPAYER, news comes out that things are NOT okay. What a fucking transparent scam.

By the same people that brought to us the Official 911 Conspiracy lie!
Anonymous Coward
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9/7/2008 5:46 PM
Re: WTF !! WTF !! WTF !! WTF !!! NTY .- FANNIE/FREDDIE : THE MOST EXPENSIVE RESCUE EVER FINANCED BY TAXPAYERS !!!Quote

"While it is not yet possible to calculate the cost of the government’s intervention, it could rise into tens of billions of dollars and will probably be among the most expensive rescues ever financed by taxpayers"

[link to www.nytimes.com]

September 7, 2008
Mortgage Giant Overstated the Size of Its Capital Base
By GRETCHEN MORGENSON and CHARLES DUHIGG
The government’s planned takeover of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, expected to be announced as early as this weekend, came together hurriedly after advisers poring over the companies’ books for the Treasury Department concluded that Freddie’s accounting methods had overstated its capital cushion, according to regulatory officials briefed on the matter.

The proposal to place both mortgage giants, which own or back $5.3 trillion in mortgages, into a government-run conservatorship also grew out of deep concern among foreign investors that the companies’ debt might not be repaid. Falling home prices, which are expected to lead to more defaults among the mortgages held or guaranteed by Fannie and Freddie, contributed to the urgency, regulators said.

The details of the deal have not fully emerged, but it appears that investors who own the companies’ common stock will be virtually wiped out; preferred shareholders, who have priority over other shareholders, may also wind up with little. Holders of debt, including many foreign central banks, are expected to receive government backing. Top executives at both companies will be pushed out, according to those briefed on the plan.

While it is not yet possible to calculate the cost of the government’s intervention, it could rise into tens of billions of dollars and will probably be among the most expensive rescues ever financed by taxpayers. The takeover comes on the heels of a rescue of the investment bank Bear Stearns, which was sold to JPMorgan in a deal backed by taxpayer dollars. Already, the housing crisis has cost investors hundreds of billions of dollars.

Both presidential nominees expressed support for the government’s plans to take over the companies. The chief economic adviser to Senator John McCain, Republican of Arizona, who has long been critical of the mortgage giants, said on Saturday that Mr. McCain considered it an unfortunate but necessary step.

Senator Barack Obama, Democrat of Illinois, said as he campaigned in Indiana on Saturday that not acting could place the housing market in further distress. “These entities are so big and they are so tied into the housing market that it is probably true that we have to take steps to make sure they don’t just collapse,” Mr. Obama told an audience in Terre Haute, Ind. But he added that the government needed to take steps to guard against Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac ultimately profiting from the government assistance.

The big question now is whether the federal government’s move to take over Fannie and Freddie will restore investor confidence in the nation’s credit markets, help stabilize the stock market and keep loans flowing to creditworthy borrowers.

Fannie and Freddie, by buying mortgages, provide banks and other financial institutions with fresh money to make new loans, a vital lubricant for the housing and credit markets.

As a result of the government’s intervention, the cost of borrowing for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac should decline, because the government will be standing behind their debts. Equally important, because the government is backing the companies, their buying and selling of loans will continue.

But the plan to bail out the firms will probably do little to stop home prices from falling further. And foreclosures are almost certain to rise.

Just a week ago, Treasury officials were still considering a wide variety of options for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, ranging from doing nothing to taking over the companies completely, according to people with knowledge of those discussions.

The Treasury secretary, Henry M. Paulson Jr., who won authority from Congress last month to use taxpayer funds to bolster the companies, always maintained that he hoped never to use that power. But, as the companies’ stocks continued to languish, some within the Treasury Department began urging Mr. Paulson to intervene quickly.

Then, last week, advisers from Morgan Stanley hired by the Treasury Department to scrutinize the companies came to a troubling conclusion: Freddie Mac’s capital position was worse than initially imagined, according to people briefed on those findings. The company had made decisions that, while not necessarily in violation of accounting rules, had the effect of overstating the firm’s capital resources and financial stability.

Indeed, one person briefed on the company’s finances said Freddie Mac had made accounting decisions that pushed losses into the future and postponed a capital shortfall until the fourth quarter of this year, which would not need to be disclosed until early 2009. Fannie Mae has used similar methods, but to a lesser degree, according to other people who have been briefed.

Representatives of both companies did not return calls or declined to comment.

On Friday, executives from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were ordered to appear in the offices of their regulator, James B. Lockhart, in separate meetings, and were told that the Treasury Department was exercising its authority to place the companies in conservatorship, which would allow for uninterrupted operation of the firms but would put them under the control of Mr. Lockhart.

The details of those plans continued to be worked out on Saturday, when the Federal Reserve chairman, Ben S. Bernanke, Mr. Paulson, Mr. Lockhart and key company executives met in Washington.

While Freddie Mac’s accounting woes make it easier for regulators to force the company into conservatorship, there was more resistance from Fannie Mae, according to people familiar with the discussions. However, given Fannie Mae’s declining financial condition, and the fact that even a slightly pessimistic statement from Mr. Paulson about the company’s finances would be likely to send its stock price into a tailspin, the company has few options but to concede to the government’s demands.

Both companies have the option of challenging the conservatorship and asking for a judicial review. Such a move, however, would probably be disastrous for their stock prices.

Accusations of improper accounting are not new for either company. Earlier this decade, both companies paid large fines and ousted their top executives after accounting scandals.

Freddie Mac’s current chief executive and chairman, Richard F. Syron, joined the company in 2003 after the former managers revealed they had manipulated earnings by almost $5 billion. The following year Fannie Mae’s chief executive, Daniel H. Mudd, was promoted to the top spot after that company was accused of accounting errors totaling $6.3 billion. People familiar with Treasury’s plan say that both men, as well as other top executives, will be forced to leave the companies.

The accounting issues that brought so much urgency to the bailout appear to center on Freddie Mac’s capital cushion, the assets that regulators require it to keep on hand to cover losses.

The methods used to bolster that cushion have caused serious concerns among the companies’ regulator, outside auditors from Morgan Stanley brought in by the Treasury Department and some investors. For example, while Freddie Mac’s portfolio contains many securities backed by so-called subprime and alt-A loans, which are one step up from the riskier mortgages, the company has not written down those loans’ values to reflect current market prices.

Executives have argued that because they intend to hold the loans to maturity, they need not write down their value. But other banks and financial institutions have written down the value of those securities, even if they continue holding them, under “mark-to-market” accounting rules. Freddie Mac holds roughly double the securities that Fannie Mae does.

Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae have also inflated their financial positions by relying on deferred-tax assets — credits that the companies have built up over the years that can be used to offset future profits. Fannie maintains that its worth is increased by $36 billion through such credits, and Freddie argues that it has a $28 billion benefit.

But such credits have no value until the companies generate a profit — something they have failed to do over the last four quarters, and something that is increasingly unlikely within the next year. Moreover, even when the companies’ profits soared, such credits were often unusable because the companies also had large numbers of affordable housing tax credits, which themselves offset profits.

One analyst estimates the companies, in the future, would have to collect roughly double the profits of the past five years for the credits to become usable. Most financial institutions are not allowed to count such credits as assets in the manner used by Fannie and Freddie.

Regulators and auditors may question the companies’ use of deferred-tax credits because they cannot be sold to anyone else and they would disappear in a receivership. And, if those credits were not counted as assets, both companies would probably fall below the capital threshold they are required to hold.

Finally, regulators are said to be scrutinizing whether the companies were trying to manage their earnings by maneuvering the timing of reserves set aside to offset losses from defaulted loans. Each quarter, both companies have gradually increased their loss reserves — Fannie’s reserves today stand at $8.9 billion, and Freddie’s at $5.8 billion. However, regulators and auditors felt strongly that both companies should have identified larger potential losses immediately, and set aside much more from the beginning.

Other companies, like private mortgage insurers, have identified much larger losses and have set aside much larger amounts of capital. Fannie and Freddie, however, have delayed the recognition of such losses, dribbling out bad news with each quarterly announcement, suggesting a strategy to manage the recognition of losses.

Finally, regulators are concerned that the companies have mischaracterized their financial health by relaxing their policies on when to recognize a loss on a defaulted loan, according to people familiar with the review. For years, both companies have effectively done that when a loan is 90 days past due. But, in recent months, both companies said they would extend that to two years.

As a result, tens of thousands of loans that previously would have been marked down have maintained their value. The companies have injected their own capital into pools of securities, arguing that new business policies are helping greater numbers of borrowers.

Under conservative accounting methods, such a change in policy should not have any impact on the companies’ books. However, people briefed on the accounting inquiry said that Freddie Mac may have been using their new policy to delay recognition of losses.

“We have just had to nationalize the two largest financial institutions in the world because of policy makers’ inaction,” said Josh Rosner, an analyst at Graham Fisher, an independent research firm in New York, and a longtime critic of the government-sponsored enterprises. “Since 2003, when these companies’ accounting came under question, policy makers have done nothing. Even though they had every reason to know that the housing market’s problems would not be contained to subprime and would bring down the houses of Fannie and Freddie.”

Reporting was contributed by Stephen Labaton and Edmund L. Andrews in Washington; Jeff Zeleny from Terre Haute, Ind.; and Elisabeth Bumiller from Colorado Springs.



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 Quoting: THE WTF GUY !! 322321


WOWEE. The Gov't spending more money they DON'T have. LOL

I sure as hell I'm glad my life doesn't depend on money, and thank the good lord I have ZERO debt.
Anonymous Coward
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9/7/2008 6:05 PM
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The Bush administration has successfully acted to avert the potential for major financial turmoil!!

chorus
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 498998


By turning potential into actuality?
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 488235
9/7/2008 6:10 PM
Re: WTF !! WTF !! WTF !! WTF !!! NTY .- FANNIE/FREDDIE : THE MOST EXPENSIVE RESCUE EVER FINANCED BY TAXPAYERS !!!Quote

Is the US government going to absorb these companies losses? That could be catastrophic for our economy.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 440235


Who cares? You can only shoot a dead horse so many times.
Nailer45
User ID: 499076
9/7/2008 6:13 PM
Re: WTF !! WTF !! WTF !! WTF !!! NTY .- FANNIE/FREDDIE : THE MOST EXPENSIVE RESCUE EVER FINANCED BY TAXPAYERS !!!Quote

more banks to follow.. Look at citigroup a negative of -$144.5 Billion...


[link to bankimplode.com]

"Imploded*" Banks:General Implodes
Freddie Mac - GSE

Fannie Mae - GSE

Carnation Banc

Freemont General

Bear Stearns

Northern Rock PLC

Coast Bank

.......

Writedown Rundown & General Distress:Name - ($) Pain Factor (writedowns and charge-offs + capital raised + loan loss reserves growth + level III growth)

National City - $14.9B

Lehman Brothers - $55.2B

CIBC - $10.7B

Bank of Montreal - $1.2B

Deutsche Bank - $155.1B

Goldman Sachs - $84.2B

JP Morgan Chase - $20.1B

Merrill Lynch - >$83.5B

Morgan Stanley - $24B

Bank of America - $51.3B

Wachovia - $50.5B

UBS - $92.5B

Royal Bank of Scotland -$41.7B

Citigroup - $144.5B

BNP Paribas - $3.3B

Commerzbank - $1.06B

Societe Generale - $30.1B

HSBC Bank - $27.7B

Credit Suisse - $94.5 B

HBOS PLC - $19.0 B

more...
Anonymous Coward
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9/7/2008 6:18 PM
Re: WTF !! WTF !! WTF !! WTF !!! NTY .- FANNIE/FREDDIE : THE MOST EXPENSIVE RESCUE EVER FINANCED BY TAXPAYERS !!!Quote

Is the US government going to absorb these companies losses? That could be catastrophic for our economy.


Who cares? You can only shoot a dead horse so many times.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 488235

deadhorse
Anonymous Coward
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9/7/2008 6:29 PM
Re: WTF !! WTF !! WTF !! WTF !!! NTY .- FANNIE/FREDDIE : THE MOST EXPENSIVE RESCUE EVER FINANCED BY TAXPAYERS !!!Quote

tasty horse mmmm

whats for dessert? china?
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