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Recession Proof GLP...Antibiotic Alternatives
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 499182
9/7/2008 8:27 PM | | Re: Recession Proof GLP...Antibiotic Alternatives | Quote |
 all good stuff!!
Thank you, OP!
Yes, it is a good thread. Using a combination of these herbs can't fail to get us back on our feet if we get sick.
I would add that having some good charcoal caps wouldn't hurt anything. They absorb poisons in the system. Of course, taking a probiotic after ingesting helps. I read that charcoal takes out some of the "good guys" in the bowel if too much is ingested.
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 160240
9/7/2008 8:36 PM | | Re: Recession Proof GLP...Antibiotic Alternatives | Quote |
ELDERBERRIES!!!
Taken at the onset of a cold or flu - it stops it dead in its tracks.
You can buy dried elderberries and make your own tea or soak them in vodka and make a tincture.
Or you can buy SAMBUCOL syrup. Same thing.
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 498940
9/7/2008 9:04 PM | | Re: Recession Proof GLP...Antibiotic Alternatives | Quote |
Thanks, for the info |
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Douggie
User ID: 498641
9/7/2008 9:29 PM | | Re: Recession Proof GLP...Antibiotic Alternatives | Quote |
A lot of good suggestions here. I have plans to stock up (I mean buying cases of vitamines and other useful things) this week. One thing thats pretty stable and very useful is food grade hydrogen peroxide. That will clean you out better then most other things will.
I have been looking at growing some stuff too that will offset any protien poor diet.
I made my first essene bread last week. Although one of the most nutritious breads it tastes rather bland. But I guess would be wonderful for a starving few.
I have plans to grow Amaranth, Possibly amla Im not certain how amla would flourish in my neck of the woods) and other things that will grow pretty much wild.
I still think the total devistation that everyone is contemplating is rubbish. There will be a way out. Unfortunately, I think it will be as bad as the alternative.
I am going to put a hand cranked well in too just in case.
They have the power to create reality
I could explain it better but I would need charts, graphs and an easel.
*Term Coined by Douggie 7 Sept 08, 12 AM. *Apaulin, A term use to describe a ditz that is used for political purposes in order to get votes for there party. But doesnt necessarily mean that they have any qualifications for the job. Oh wait, she does have a degree in journalism.
Please excuse typo's. I type fast and dont give a crap about mistyped words. |
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Redheaded Stepchild 
User ID: 493346
9/7/2008 9:36 PM
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Honey.
We use honey on our wounds and scrapes. I learned to use it from reading threads here at GLP, and it's been a marvel. I store honey...enough to maintain our needs for a year...but I've recently added more to use as "medicine."
"I want you to go to the window, open it, stick your head out and yell: 'I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore.'"
-Howard Beale (Peter Finch), Network
“Until you are willing to organize your friends and neighbors and literally shut down cities - drive at 5mph through the streets of major cities on the freeway and stop commerce, refuse to show up for work, refuse to borrow and spend more than you make, show up in Washington DC with a million of your neighbors and literally shut down The Capitol you WILL be bent over the table on a daily basis. “Karl Denninger
Don't blame me; I voted for Ron Paul.
Silence is consent. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 499258
9/7/2008 9:38 PM | | Re: Recession Proof GLP...Antibiotic Alternatives | Quote |
Cloves are great for teeth...
Crushed, powdered or in a poultice, spread liberally on abscess, will sooth pain and fight infection.
Oragel is crap compared to crushed cloves. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 490527
For immediate long lasting numbing effect and healing properties use Spilanthes
I'm growing it myself now. Incredible plant
Another I'm growing is Wild Dagga
Wild Dagga leaf or roots are widely used as a remedy for snakebite and also to relieve other bites and stings. Decoctions of dried wild dagga leaf or root have been applied externally to treat boils, eczema, skin diseases and itching, and muscular cramps.
Wild dagga extracts are also used to relieve coughs, cold and influenza, as well as bronchitis, high blood pressure and headaches. Leaf infusions have been used to treat asthma and viral hepatitis. Wild dagga tea is also used to treat headache, bronchitis, high blood pressure and the common cold. This species is also important in Chinese/Vietnamese medicine as an euphoric, purgative and vermifuge.
Leonotis leonurus also known as Lion's Tail or Wild Dagga. Is a member of the Mint family of plants. Wild dagga is used by the Hottentot tribesmen for several different medicinal purposes and to promote euphoria and exuberance when smoked. |
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Hillcrest
Not For You*
User ID: 392015
9/7/2008 9:50 PM
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Honey.
We use honey on our wounds and scrapes. I learned to use it from reading threads here at GLP, and it's been a marvel. I store honey...enough to maintain our needs for a year...but I've recently added more to use as "medicine." Quoting: Redheaded Stepchild
Does it matter what kind of honey? Raw honey, etc... ?? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 2012
9/7/2008 9:57 PM | | Re: Recession Proof GLP...Antibiotic Alternatives | Quote |
This kind-of reminds me of a real old topic from someone who used fish antibiotics/tetracycline(?), to save $$.
Or is this a doomsday remedy topic? If so, what about the idea to "eat a bannana", in case of nukes? |
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jlazarus
just me :)
User ID: 348904
9/7/2008 10:01 PM
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Does it matter what kind of honey? Raw honey, etc... ?? Quoting: Hillcrest
I wanna know too....heck, I am so ignorant about honey....a good friend is a beekeeper and gives me honey every year for christmas....we use it for sweetening tea, etc...
i never even thought of whether it was 'raw' or not....i just thought it was "honey", like....straight from the hive or something, lol!
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AQ 7
User ID: 496558
9/7/2008 10:04 PM | | Re: Recession Proof GLP...Antibiotic Alternatives | Quote |
Honey.
We use honey on our wounds and scrapes. I learned to use it from reading threads here at GLP, and it's been a marvel. I store honey...enough to maintain our needs for a year...but I've recently added more to use as "medicine."
Does it matter what kind of honey? Raw honey, etc... ?? Quoting: Hillcrest
I have heard that one should use honey that has been produced in the area where you live ... that will help to immunize you from the local "bugs".
If you use honey that is grown in a different area, you are being protected from the germs that are in that area, not your own! |
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Redheaded Stepchild
User ID: 493346
9/7/2008 10:18 PM
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Does it matter what kind of honey? Raw honey, etc... ?? Quoting: Hillcrest
Well, I use pure clover honey, but I haven't a clue as to where it's from; it is filtered and cleaned. But ya know, the ancients used it on wounds, too, and I'm pretty certain they had mostly raw honey.
Here's a few links...
[link to www.worldwidewounds.com]
Abstract
Honey is an ancient remedy for the treatment of infected wounds, which has recently been 'rediscovered' by the medical profession, particularly where conventional modern therapeutic agents are failing. There are now many published reports describing the effectiveness of honey in rapidly clearing infection from wounds, with no adverse effects to slow the healing process; there is also some evidence to suggest that honey may actively promote healing. In laboratory studies, it has been shown to have an antimicrobial action against a broad spectrum of bacteria and fungi. However, further research is needed to optimise the effective use of this agent in clinical practice.
[link to dermnetnz.org]
All difficult to heal wounds should be seen by your doctor. The following are general tips on how honey may be used for wound care.
The amount of honey used depends on the amount of fluid exuding from the wound. Large amounts of exudate require substantial amounts of honey to be applied.
The frequency of dressing changes depends on how rapidly the honey is being diluted by the exudate. This should become less frequent as the honey starts to work on healing the wound.
Occlusive dressings help to prevent honey oozing out from the wound.
It is best to spread the honey on a dressing and apply this to the wound than apply the honey directly onto the wound. Dressing pads pre-impregnated with honey are commercially available and provide an effective and less messy alternative.
Abscesses, cavity or deep wounds need more honey to adequately penetrate deep into the wound tissues. The wound bed should be filled with honey before applying the honey dressing pad.
[link to archives.cnn.com]
Doctors turning sweet on healing with honey
March 8, 2000
Web posted at: 5:47 PM EST (2247 GMT)
By Charles Downey
(WebMD) -- Peter Molan, Ph.D., likes to tell the story of the 20-year-old wound. Infected with antibiotic-resistant bacteria, an abscess oozed in an English woman's armpit long after it had been drained. Nothing seemed to help, and the pain prevented her from working.
Then in August of 1999, she read about the remarkable wound-healing properties of honey. She convinced doctors to apply some to the dressing to her arm, and a month later the wound healed. Now she's back at work.
Novel as this treatment sounds, it would have inspired yawns among doctors in ancient Egypt, according to May Berenbaum, Ph.D., a University of Illinois entomologist.
"Honey has been used for centuries to treat a wide range of medical problems like wounds, burns, cataracts, skin ulcers and scrapes," she says. "And now various researchers worldwide are also studying -- and finding -- strong antimicrobial properties in some honeys."
Honey fell from favor as a wound dressing when antibiotic dressings were developed during World War II. But the new research -- and the rise of antibiotic-resistant bacteria -- are putting this old-time folk remedy into the contemporary medicine chest.
Last year, the Australian Therapeutic Goods Administration -- the equivalent of the U.S. Food and Drug Administration -- approved honey as a medicine. A company in Australia this year began marketing medical honey as a wound dressing in pharmacies there. It's available in the United States through the Internet.
Honey helps wounds in several ways, says Molan. Its thickness provides a protective barrier. The hydrogen peroxide it contains is released slowly, killing germs in the wound. Some as-yet-unknown ingredients reduce inflammation, while others, perhaps amino acids and vitamin C, speed the growth of healthy tissue. Honey even makes wounds smell better, possibly because when bacteria in wounds eat honey's sugars, they give off sweeter-smelling gases.
Dozens of studies, in animals and humans, have documented such benefits. One of the most convincing reports, published in the 1998 issue of the journal Burns, tells how researchers from the Dr. V. M. Medical College in Maharashtra, India, compared honey with silver sulfadiazine, the standard treatment for superficial burns.
The researchers first smeared honey on gauze and used it to dress the burns of 52 patients. Another 52 patients got the same treatment but with silver sulfadiazine in place of the honey.
In the 52 patients treated with honey, 87 percent healed within 15 days, compared with 10 percent of those treated with silver sulfadiazine. The honey-treated patients also experienced less pain, leaking of wound fluid, and scarring.
Molan, a biochemist at the University of Waikato in New Zealand, and other researchers have found special bacteria-killing properties in honey made from the nectar of the tea tree (Leptospermum). In laboratory experiments, reported in the November 1992 Journal of Applied Bacteriology, Molan and his colleagues found that it was particularly effective in slaying staphylococcus aureus.
This so-called "Golden Staph" -- which infested the English woman's 20-year-old wound -- sometimes survives the most potent antibiotics, killing its victims. "Manuka honey has worked in very desperate cases where nothing else has worked," says Molan.
Based on the research of Molan and others, an Australian company is now marketing Manuka honey under the name Medihoney. To make it, beekeepers set their hives close to tea trees so the bees will gather their nectar.
Studies so far have found no side effects other than an occasional slight burning sensation when the honey is applied. Though honey sometimes contains the spores of bacteria that cause botulism, Molan says there have been no reported cases of this bacteria or anything else in honey infecting a wound.
Experts do caution that infants should not eat honey because of the botulism risk. "But it's still OK to use honey on children's (and infants') burns or scrapes," says Molan.
Molan also believes it is safe to use ordinary supermarket honey on such minor wounds. And it's a lot cheaper than antibiotic ointments. But since ingredients vary depending on the nectar from which the honey is made, Medihoney offers the advantage of laboratory testing.
It's one medicine that doesn't need a spoonful of sugar to help it go down.
"I want you to go to the window, open it, stick your head out and yell: 'I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore.'"
-Howard Beale (Peter Finch), Network
“Until you are willing to organize your friends and neighbors and literally shut down cities - drive at 5mph through the streets of major cities on the freeway and stop commerce, refuse to show up for work, refuse to borrow and spend more than you make, show up in Washington DC with a million of your neighbors and literally shut down The Capitol you WILL be bent over the table on a daily basis. “Karl Denninger
Don't blame me; I voted for Ron Paul.
Silence is consent. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 499093
9/7/2008 10:19 PM | | Re: Recession Proof GLP...Antibiotic Alternatives | Quote |
Colloidal Silver is da shit baby! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 333742
9/7/2008 10:55 PM | | Re: Recession Proof GLP...Antibiotic Alternatives | Quote |
Lauric Acid.. the most under appreciated beneficial fatty acid out there.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
make the switch from canola and other unsaturated oils in your cooking to coconut oil, either refined or virgin (virgin if you like the taste of coconuts and want a long shelf life, refined if you want it cheap and want it tasteless) |
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Hillcrest
Not For You*
User ID: 392015
9/7/2008 11:05 PM
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Thank you Redheaded Stepchild and AQ 7... very interesting...
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 427957
9/7/2008 11:06 PM | | Re: Recession Proof GLP...Antibiotic Alternatives | Quote |
Honey.
We use honey on our wounds and scrapes. I learned to use it from reading threads here at GLP, and it's been a marvel. I store honey...enough to maintain our needs for a year...but I've recently added more to use as "medicine."
Does it matter what kind of honey? Raw honey, etc... ?? Quoting: Hillcrest
Raw honey has never been heated or filtered. The stuff you buy in the store (unless it says raw) has.
I buy organic, raw unfiltered honey from a local bee keeper. For wounds the darker the honey the better such as sage but right now the darkest I can get locally is blackberry. |
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Sherry
User ID: 431562
9/7/2008 11:13 PM | | Re: Recession Proof GLP...Antibiotic Alternatives | Quote |
A neti pot with a little salt and lukewarm water is a gladiator against sinus infections. Hard to believe such a humble and silly looking treatment could be so effective for both prevention and treatment. |
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Sherry
User ID: 431562
9/7/2008 11:13 PM | | Re: Recession Proof GLP...Antibiotic Alternatives | Quote |
A neti pot with a little salt and lukewarm water is a gladiator against sinus infections. Hard to believe such a humble and silly looking treatment could be so effective for both prevention and treatment. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 427957
9/7/2008 11:25 PM | | Re: Recession Proof GLP...Antibiotic Alternatives | Quote |
Honey fell from favor as a wound dressing when antibiotic dressings were developed during World War II. But the new research -- and the rise of antibiotic-resistant bacteria -- are putting this old-time folk remedy into the contemporary medicine chest.
I knew about honey from listening to older people in family long before the medical field "rediscovered" it. I learned much from older family members and an old Greek neighbor who lived to be 105 yo.
I'm just mentioning this because I have seen a lot of threads and posts that are anti-elderly that think the old should be exterminated at 40. I had a different outlook. They were always a treasure trove of knowledge for me.
Many of our grandparents, etc. already knew all this that we have to learn on the internet. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 427957
9/7/2008 11:27 PM | | Re: Recession Proof GLP...Antibiotic Alternatives | Quote |
First paragraph was a RedHeaded Stepchild quote. Quote thingy didn't work. Sorry, RedHeaded. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 412927
9/7/2008 11:36 PM | | Re: Recession Proof GLP...Antibiotic Alternatives | Quote |
I made a thread awhile back about the apple cider vinegar based "Plague Tonic" which I have gone through a few batches of. It's vinegar steeped with chopped or grated onions, garlic, hot peppers, ginger, and horseradish. I really like it especially the more it ages.
Here's the thread with the recipe:
[ link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
Do you remember the plant that Native Americans smoked for asthma? These threads were around the same time. -- thanks if you have the info or a link.
I think you may be thinking of jimson weed:
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
Just watch out for hallucinations and possible tropane poisoning from overdosing. |
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Heck
Were there no potential for misunderstanding,
User ID: 470020
9/7/2008 11:58 PM
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human breast milk |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 474758
9/8/2008 12:04 AM | | Re: Recession Proof GLP...Antibiotic Alternatives | Quote |
Can't believe no one has Cayenne on here. I've begun using it every day - started after getting a strange bug that left me hurting literally ALL OVER - from head to toe - which was really weird because I NEVER, EVER get sick.....
So, when I did succumb to some weird bug, I started Cayenne Pepper each morning and evening. I am now down to just morning.
But let me tell you - Cayenne will make a sore throat (and I'm talking about the worst sore throat I've ever had) IMMEDIATELY feel better!!!
And then, about 20-30 minutes later, your whole BODY feels better.
I swear I feel about 5 years younger. Been using it about 4 weeks.
I just take about teaspoon or so (well rounded) each morning when I wake up - chase it with water. I found that it's easy if I put the teaspoon of pepper on a cracker, eat the whole cracker and chase with a big glass of water.
I googled it and found that it has a LOT of health benefits....not just the known cardio benefits, but healing properties as well - including fast healing on open wounds - pretty handy stuff! Quoting: jlazarus
What kind of cayenne pepper? Just the regular powder form in the spice section of the grocery mart?
To all: it would be helpful if you could be a little more descriptive of the protocol. For instance, honey for wounds...how exactly do you apply the honey? Just squirt a little from the bottle into the wound?
etc., etc...
At any rate, fantastic thread! |
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Joy
User ID: 489027
9/8/2008 12:13 AM | | Re: Recession Proof GLP...Antibiotic Alternatives | Quote |
Cloves are great for teeth...
Crushed, powdered or in a poultice, spread liberally on abscess, will sooth pain and fight infection.
Oragel is crap compared to crushed cloves. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 490527
This is a great thread, nothing is worse than a toothache and if one is confined to the house, only the Lord can help you if you dont have some type of home remedy, is there anything else other than clove to help for this, I just got my last wisdom tooth pulled and man the pain, THE PAIN!! |
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kalamity kool
User ID: 497383
9/8/2008 12:16 AM
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Raw honey has propolis in it, which is an active ingredient for healing. Heat treating honey destroys the propolis.
[link to www.bee-pollen-health.com] |
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anonymous
User ID: 499327
9/8/2008 12:24 AM | | Re: Recession Proof GLP...Antibiotic Alternatives | Quote |
op these are good tips..applecider venigar half water half applecider venigar gargle with it.kills strep throat..use it full strenght on staph infection on skin..wash area with it and then reapply full stregnth then cover wound..2 or 3 times a day..crannberry juice 12 ounch bottle add 1 tablespoon applecider venigar to it and drink it down...do this 2 or 3 times a day for bladder infections and also during colds or flu...it makes germs pass out of the body they cannot stick to to blladder walls and continue to infect you....the venigar kills fungus in blood stream that keep you infected...nature makes the best cures. your body cannot build up immunity to natural cures..yea... |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 106290
9/8/2008 12:36 AM | | Re: Recession Proof GLP...Antibiotic Alternatives | Quote |
I made a thread awhile back about the apple cider vinegar based "Plague Tonic" which I have gone through a few batches of. It's vinegar steeped with chopped or grated onions, garlic, hot peppers, ginger, and horseradish. I really like it especially the more it ages.
Here's the thread with the recipe:
[ link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
Do you remember the plant that Native Americans smoked for asthma? These threads were around the same time. -- thanks if you have the info or a link.
Didn't read the thread, but it might have been mullein. It's good for asthma. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 106290
9/8/2008 12:51 AM | | Re: Recession Proof GLP...Antibiotic Alternatives | Quote |
If you are too sick to feel like preparing herbs, it might be good to have some antibiotics around.
Cephelaxin is used for wounds, urinary infections, ear infections, etc.
Amoxycillin is an "all around" antibiotic, used quite a bit.
Cephelaxin can be bought without a prescription for your fish. It's called Fish Flex.
Amoxycillin can also be bought without a prescription for your pets. It's called Fish Mox.
I've heard of many people taking these drugs, and saying they're the same as the human drugs, but it might be illegal,so I wouldn't advise it. |
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Annonymous Coward
User ID: 499345
9/8/2008 1:05 AM | | Re: Recession Proof GLP...Antibiotic Alternatives | Quote |
Feverfew for colds/flu and some people claim that it stops migraines if taken at first signs. Can be taken as tea. They grow like weeds. Funny how all stuff good for us is so prolific.
Also cinnamon for high b.p. I think there was a thread on cinnamon for this. Can just be put in any tea. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 358392
9/8/2008 1:20 AM | | Re: Recession Proof GLP...Antibiotic Alternatives | Quote |
Honey fell from favor as a wound dressing when antibiotic dressings were developed during World War II. But the new research -- and the rise of antibiotic-resistant bacteria -- are putting this old-time folk remedy into the contemporary medicine chest.
I knew about honey from listening to older people in family long before the medical field "rediscovered" it. I learned much from older family members and an old Greek neighbor who lived to be 105 yo.
I'm just mentioning this because I have seen a lot of threads and posts that are anti-elderly that think the old should be exterminated at 40. I had a different outlook. They were always a treasure trove of knowledge for me.
Many of our grandparents, etc. already knew all this that we have to learn on the internet. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 427957
On the same note of old time remedies...My dad once told me how his mom gave him a spoon full of sugar with some kerosene mixed in to fight off a throat infection he had as a child (around the late 1930s). He said it did the trick but tasted awful. I asked him if any kids were poisoned this way, he said no, since such a small amount was used. Apparently it wasn't unheard of using kerosene this way during that time.
I have often wondered what was in that could allow it to be used as a health treatment.(?) |
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Cryin Wont Help Ya
User ID: 497792
9/8/2008 1:26 AM
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Cloves are great for teeth...
Crushed, powdered or in a poultice, spread liberally on abscess, will sooth pain and fight infection.
Oragel is crap compared to crushed cloves.
This is a great thread, nothing is worse than a toothache and if one is confined to the house, only the Lord can help you if you dont have some type of home remedy, is there anything else other than clove to help for this, I just got my last wisdom tooth pulled and man the pain, THE PAIN!! Quoting: Joy 489027
Get a pencil or pen and squeeze it real hard with your upper fingers--as close to the tip as possible. This will numb the teeth and jaw. You will need to work those reflexes for some time to be effective.
Rinsing with warm salt water, the saltier the better, works a lot of the time. So does rinsing with H2O2 (the standard drugstore kind) with an equal amount of H2O.
Since this is a pulled tooth and therefore a temporary problem, just take some tylenol or ibuprophen or naproxen.
Those of you with cavities or abcess pain might get relief from raw garlic applied to the tooth (ouch! It'll hurt!!) for as long as you can stand so as to kill any bacteria, then dissolve some citric acid in water (at least 2000 mg) and consume it throughout the day, say 1/2 cup every two hours. This will give you a continuous dose of vitamin C. Be sure to rinse your mouth with water into which you've dissolved a bit of baking soda. This will neutralize the ph.
A tea made from goldenseal powder, myrrh gum, horsetail, sage,cayenne and valerian or hops will give you antiseptic, pain relieving, and sedative properties.
If you must take commercial pain relievers, take the smallest possible dose--break tablets in half.
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