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| @#*^%! Who's behind the CAGING in Ohio? The @#$% Republicans! CHECK YOUR REGISTRATIONS, NOW!!
| Pollyannuh
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9/7/2008 4:59 PM
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Sum of a beechtree!!
The Republicans are doing it, again!!
Watch out Ohio, Chicago, the entire state of Florida!
Here it starts!
bushchit with the elections!!
I'm all for purging dead people who keep voting 8 years after death, and those who truly have moved to another district, but this just gives yet another opportunity to pluck up the election!
Dayum them.
They've got their fingers in everything!
Nearly 600,000 Subject to Possible Caging in Ohio
Friday 05 September 2008
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by: David Rosenfeld, Miller-McCune
Vote caging suspected in Ohio. (Photo: Matt Mahurin / Rolling Stone)
Friday 05 September 2008
How many voter-registration mass mailers are "returned to sender" in the run-up to Election Day may determine how many Ohio residents are eligible to vote.
Ohio election officials are sending out a mass mailer stamped "do not forward" to all registered voters today (Sept. 5) with an absentee ballot application and other important notices for Nov. 4.
What's important here is not so much what's going out as what's being returned to sender.
Unbeknownst to the would-be recipients, the same mailer - just 60 days before the election - has the potential to determine their eligibility to vote, challenged not by election officials but by partisan opposition.
A similar mailer in March netted nondeliverable mail from almost 600,000 registered voters in just five Ohio counties who could now have their ballots thrown out for voting under the wrong address.
The National Voter Registration Act prohibits any state from purging names from the voting rolls within 90 days of an election.
The law doesn't, however, preclude mass partisan challenges on or shortly before Election Day - known as voter caging - based on the same returned envelopes from state-sponsored mailers like the ones in Ohio and others going out across the country.
In 2004, the year the national election hinged on results from Ohio, the Ohio Republican Party challenged 35,000 voters based on returned mail from the GOP's own friendly reminder notices. From 2004 to 2006, Republicans challenged 77,000 voters this way nationwide. A consent decree issued in 1982 and amended in 1987 enjoins the GOP from instituting "ballot security programs" that focus on minority voters.
No evidence so far suggests Republicans - vote caging is essentially a GOP sport - have mounted a caging campaign this year. Yet, in July, Franklin County Election Director and County GOP Chairman Doug Preisse told reporters he didn't rule out challenges before November, particularly because of increased home foreclosures, which would make failures to change address on voter registration records more common.
A challenged voter will likely cast a provisional ballot, which often requires voters to return to election divisions to prove their identity and address. Nearly a third of all 1.6 million provisional ballots cast in 2004 were thrown out.
Voting-rights groups don't oppose voter-roll housekeeping, but they cite the federal law as evidence that executing it so close to the actual election isn't fair.
The fraud that voter caging purportedly roots out is relatively rare, although vote solicitors working for the liberal group ACORN, the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, in 2004 and again this year were accused of submitting false registration forms. Ohio is one of five states where ACORN employees have been investigated and, in some instances, jailed over submitting false voter registration forms.
Unrelated to ACORN, the Web site GOP.com cites two voting-fraud court cases in Ohio, both focused on individuals casting a second ballot intentionally.
On Nov. 1, 2004, voter-rights groups reacted and challenged the partisan caging in Ohio all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court in just two days but lost in a final-hour appeal. This year, they want to be as proactive as possible, said Donita Judge, Ohio staff attorney for the nonprofit Advancement Project.
"A single returned piece of mail is not a reliable basis for challenging the right to vote," Judge said. "Mail may be returned for many reasons, including errors in the database from which the mailing is derived, errors in the mailing labels, failure to include an apartment number or poor matching criteria."
Since 2005, Ohio state law has required a non-forwarded mailer 60 days before each federal election. The suspicious part about the law, Judge said, is that it's set to expire after the November election.
But it's not all about throwing votes out. Another aspect of Ohio's reformed election law is that it opens a window between Sept. 30 and Oct. 6 when voters can register one minute and cast a ballot the next.
That's generally seen as a benefit for Democrats this year since the new registrations refer mainly to 400,000 or so resident college students in Ohio. Obama holds a 2-to-1 lead over McCain among 18- to 34-year-olds, according to a Washington Post-ABC News poll released last month.
Following a statewide mailer similar to the one going out today, before the Ohio primary in March, the Advancement Project obtained the lists of returned notices through simple public records requests. The organization requested records from five urban Ohio counties - Cuyahoga, Franklin, Hamilton, Lucas and Summit.
The total came to 600,000 names out of 3 million voters, amounting to 19.7 percent of all registered voters.
Sally Krisel, director of the Hamilton County Board of Elections, said the high percentage was misleading because the mailer in her county included those on the inactive voter roll. Considering only active registered voters, the county received about 5 percent returned in March, she said.
Inactive voters, tagged for possible removal, are given two years to cast a ballot before they can be removed from the rolls. None of the returned, 60-day notices are used for that purpose, Krisel said.
"We have not purged anybody this year," she said. "In big counties, we're often carrying a lot of inactive voters."
In Franklin County, the March mailer went to all registered voters as well. Out of 780,000, more than 150,000 notices were returned. Those voters are now excluded from receiving another notice this week, said Ben Piscitelli, spokesman for the Franklin County Board of Elections. The only public records request for the list so far came from the Obama campaign, Piscitelli said.
Meanwhile, the sweeping Ohio election law loosens the rules around challenging voters. It also strips much of the ability of voters to know they are being challenged and defend their right to vote before an election judge.
[link to www.truthout.org] |
| Pollyannuh
User ID: 46877
9/7/2008 5:00 PM
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The Democrats MUST focus on registration!
NOW. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 440235
9/7/2008 5:07 PM | | Re: @#*^%! Who's behind the CAGING in Ohio? The @#$% Republicans! CHECK YOUR REGISTRATIONS, NOW!! | Quote |
The Democrats MUST focus on registration!
NOW. Quoting: Pollyannuh
Polly don't worry too much about registrations. For the first time in many areas of this country there are more Dems registered than republicans. This is because the primary ran fully up until the last state and because the media put a lot of attention on the dem race. There are tons of registered democrats now. They are still being registered too.
But in late Sept, early Oct is usually when Republican groups start filing their lawsuits over election registrations specifically targeting groups that don't vote for them. It happens every cycle. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 379467
9/7/2008 5:13 PM | | Re: @#*^%! Who's behind the CAGING in Ohio? The @#$% Republicans! CHECK YOUR REGISTRATIONS, NOW!! | Quote |
The Democrats MUST focus on registration!
NOW. Quoting: Pollyannuh
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, each time expecting a different result. Pity you think that your "candidate of change" will be any different than would McCain, or that McCain is any different than Obama. Democrat or Republican, you are going to get the same thing in a different package. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 477306
9/7/2008 5:13 PM | | Re: @#*^%! Who's behind the CAGING in Ohio? The @#$% Republicans! CHECK YOUR REGISTRATIONS, NOW!! | Quote |
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| Pollyannuh
User ID: 46877
9/7/2008 5:29 PM
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Yes, but, when I read that article, I had an instant flashback to the hanging chads, pregnant chad days.
I know they're canvassing my area, but Ohioans (and probably other states, too) need to make CERTAIN their registrations are accurate, or they'll be caught unawares.
My county used to be notorious for having dead people vote.
Grrrrrrrr.....
The Democrats MUST focus on registration!
NOW.
Polly don't worry too much about registrations. For the first time in many areas of this country there are more Dems registered than republicans. This is because the primary ran fully up until the last state and because the media put a lot of attention on the dem race. There are tons of registered democrats now. They are still being registered too.
But in late Sept, early Oct is usually when Republican groups start filing their lawsuits over election registrations specifically targeting groups that don't vote for them. It happens every cycle. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 440235 |
| Pollyannuh
User ID: 46877
9/7/2008 5:31 PM
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A.C., I've said this over and over and over.
Yes. I agree.
However, we've had enough.
Enough of bush and his minions.
Enough of lies, deceit, and everything else that has taken place in the last 8 years.
I want change.
Mcbush just isn't it.
The Democrats MUST focus on registration!
NOW.
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, each time expecting a different result. Pity you think that your "candidate of change" will be any different than would McCain, or that McCain is any different than Obama. Democrat or Republican, you are going to get the same thing in a different package. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 379467 |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 498814
9/7/2008 5:34 PM | | Re: @#*^%! Who's behind the CAGING in Ohio? The @#$% Republicans! CHECK YOUR REGISTRATIONS, NOW!! | Quote |
The Democrats MUST focus on registration!
NOW.
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, each time expecting a different result. Pity you think that your "candidate of change" will be any different than would McCain, or that McCain is any different than Obama. Democrat or Republican, you are going to get the same thing in a different package. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 379467
op is insane...this like thread number 500 on this subject...what a forum ho 
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| Live and Well
User ID: 429261
9/7/2008 5:42 PM | | Re: @#*^%! Who's behind the CAGING in Ohio? The @#$% Republicans! CHECK YOUR REGISTRATIONS, NOW!! | Quote |
Sounds like CAGING is a good thing because it makes sure that the voters actually exist.
Dead people voting is a HUGE problem and by definition liberals are brain dead so they are probably the majority in this category. Journalism professor Marcel Dufresne of the University of Connecticut led a class investigation into dead voters and said his group of 11 students discovered 8,558 deceased people who were still registered on Connecticut’s voter rolls. They said more than 300 of them appeared somehow to have cast ballots after they died.
[link to elections.foxnews.com]
Democrats coming to vote-->  |
| Pollyannuh
User ID: 46877
9/7/2008 5:47 PM
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Annnnnnnnnnd, this is like your number 500 response on the same thing.
Do you have any original thoughts, emotions, ideas?
The Democrats MUST focus on registration!
NOW.
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, each time expecting a different result. Pity you think that your "candidate of change" will be any different than would McCain, or that McCain is any different than Obama. Democrat or Republican, you are going to get the same thing in a different package.
op is insane...this like thread number 500 on this subject...what a forum ho
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 379467
9/7/2008 5:52 PM | | Re: @#*^%! Who's behind the CAGING in Ohio? The @#$% Republicans! CHECK YOUR REGISTRATIONS, NOW!! | Quote |
I want change.
Mcbush just isn't it. Quoting: Pollyannuh
You are correct, Obama will change things in this country--but he may make Bush seem like a fond memory before he's through:
[link to www.barackobama.com]
What pot does he intend to raid to offset the revenues he will lose by implementing his tax plan? You have to keep the scales balanced, and history has proven the American taxpayer always shoulders the burden of political mistakes (democrat or republican). |
| GraftedPromise U$ofA
User ID: 498917
9/7/2008 6:16 PM | | Re: @#*^%! Who's behind the CAGING in Ohio? The @#$% Republicans! CHECK YOUR REGISTRATIONS, NOW!! | Quote |
Yep ... be very careful what you THINK you are wanting to get ... it will be a big surprise! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 499157
9/7/2008 6:17 PM | | Re: @#*^%! Who's behind the CAGING in Ohio? The @#$% Republicans! CHECK YOUR REGISTRATIONS, NOW!! | Quote |
They did it 2000, 2004, challenging almost all democratic registered voters.
They use every dirty trick in the book, some of them illegal, but hey, after seeing what has happened to so far they think they are above the law. |
| Pollyannuh
User ID: 46877
9/7/2008 6:49 PM
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A.C., if we stop POURING tax dollars out on sham wars we will have BILLIONS of dollars in no time.
Have we forgotten the TRILLIONS of dollars that went missing?
How about those PALLETS of US dollars that took a hike?
Chit.
This government has more money than they know what to do with if they use it wisely.
We left Clinton's era with a surplus.
Look at the debt we have after a measly 8 years.
I want change.
Mcbush just isn't it.
You are correct, Obama will change things in this country--but he may make Bush seem like a fond memory before he's through:
[ link to www.barackobama.com]
What pot does he intend to raid to offset the revenues he will lose by implementing his tax plan? You have to keep the scales balanced, and history has proven the American taxpayer always shoulders the burden of political mistakes (democrat or republican). |
| Pollyannuh
User ID: 46877
9/7/2008 6:50 PM
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Correct.
Shades of bush being appointed.
They did it 2000, 2004, challenging almost all democratic registered voters.
They use every dirty trick in the book, some of them illegal, but hey, after seeing what has happened to so far they think they are above the law. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 499157 |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 477306
9/7/2008 8:25 PM | | Re: @#*^%! Who's behind the CAGING in Ohio? The @#$% Republicans! CHECK YOUR REGISTRATIONS, NOW!! | Quote |
Annnnnnnnnnd, this is like your number 500 response on the same thing.
Do you have any original thoughts, emotions, ideas? Quoting: Pollyannuh
By that 'logic' (and I use that term very loosely), you have no "original thoughts, emotions, ideas" either.
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 499130
9/7/2008 8:28 PM | | Re: @#*^%! Who's behind the CAGING in Ohio? The @#$% Republicans! CHECK YOUR REGISTRATIONS, NOW!! | Quote |
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 467683
9/7/2008 8:40 PM | | Re: @#*^%! Who's behind the CAGING in Ohio? The @#$% Republicans! CHECK YOUR REGISTRATIONS, NOW!! | Quote |
In Franklin County, the March mailer went to all registered voters as well. Out of 780,000, more than 150,000 notices were returned. Those voters are now excluded from receiving another notice this week, said Ben Piscitelli, spokesman for the Franklin County Board of Elections. The only public records request for the list so far came from the Obama campaign, Piscitelli said. |
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