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Galveston Coverup? You Decide.
News Type: Event — Wed Sep 17, 2008 3:04 AM EDT
GALVESTON, TX - President Bush "toured" the Galveston beach front earlier today, although all media outlets I checked did NOT show anything from the Bolivar peninsula down to Crystal Beach, and on towards the West End. And no mention was made in any report of the "no fly" order given by this same President, an order that has effectively rendered a media blackout after a major hurricane for the first time in American history. That's another in a long string of "first's" for President Bush, starting with the December, 2007 suspension of Habeus Corpus (the very foundation of civilized law for the last 800 years) through the most Executive Orders of any sitting President (more actually, than were signed from ALL of the previous U.S. Presidents COMBINED.....) that all but whittled away what was left of the Constitution as envisioned by the American Founding Fathers.
But the real story is what is unspoken by any news bureau.
Where are all the people?
No word or footage was released for the people WHO HAD DONE WHAT THEY WERE TOLD TO DO and evacuated and were waiting for word of property, neighbors and families. According to Mayor Thomas, 57,000 people called Galveston home, and over 20,000 either choose to stay or were unable to evacuate when the bridges were closed earlier than announced. 40% of the island's population inhabited the West End of the island. It is that same West End that is under media blackout. No photos, no video, no comment.
Do the math. 22,800 people called the West End home. Where are they?
True, some did heed the evacuation order. But even City Manager LeBlanc bemoaned the fact that over 20,000 residents were not able to leave when the bridges were closed, or they actually choose to stay and ride out the storm. What little reports are on major news feeds mention very low "confirmed" deaths (The Chicago Tribune says the death count for Hurricane Ike is 65, with "...most outside of Texas".) Is this like the situation in Afghanistan and Iraq whereby U.S. soldiers are airlifted as quickly as possible to hospitals in Germany with large percentages dying en route and shortly after arrival, thereby "lowering" the official U.S. death toll in the Middle East? Perhaps the absence of a body means no "confirmation" due to Ike will ever be forthcoming?
And the "no-fly" order? Nary a word on major news outlets: I found it first mentioned on Dr. Jeff Master's weather blog and site in comments by an air traffic controller 11:49 A.M. GMT, September 13, 2008: "Update. All Houston area airports are either closed and/or not providing ATC service. There is an airspace (surface to 5,000 feet) restriction spanning most of Southeast Texas that only allows SAR (Search-and-Rescue) aircraft." This is unprecedented in what used to be a "free" country, but modus operandi in totalitarian regimes. Some reporters have complained, and locally in Texas television station KHOU has been brave enough to broadcast their angst, but for the rest of America and the world, very little comment. (Also, Houston ABC affiliate KTRK reported that "police had banned media coverage of the west end of the island".)
Add to this the commandeering of the last and only available means of communication - cell phones - left to a hurting and stranded populace by FEMA (The U.S. "Federal Emergency Management Agency" that has quickly taken charge, but has slowly allowed relief supplies and workers access.). No justification has been given as to why this would be blocked from those left alive, and yet no one seems to question this bizarre move on the part of FEMA.
Amidst the tragedy arises a new concern.
We now know of a facility euphemistically called the "University of Texas Medical Branch at Galveston" (UTMB), whose website proclaims, "An academic health center dedicated to educating science professionals and researchers....solving biomedical puzzles through research...", that contains a Level-IV Bio Lab, one of only five in the United States. Level 4 is the highest bio-hazard level, and the most dangerous. Even the prestigious National Research Council criticized a federal government analysis that concluded that these labs pose no health threat to heavily populated communities, like Boston's South End and Galveston. One cannot but wonder what sort of demented individual or group would advocate such a facility anywhere near a heavily populated area, much less one on a barrier island in a flood plane and hurricane-prone region.
A Level 4 Bio-hazard Lab routinely handles agents comprising biological weapons of mass destruction. The NRC report states the U.S. government "... failed to adequately consider the dangers of working with the world's deadliest germs, including Ebola and plague, in the middle of a congested urban neighborhood." Such a facility is in an area of residential structures that suffered water seven feet deep in the first floor, not to mention the high winds and towering waves. The official response to inquiry is that only "minor" damage was sustained, but the entire complex has been taken over by the military, and no reporters have been allowed near the labs.
To put this in perspective, consider the lab announcement from the University website:
"The University of Texas Medical Branch at Galveston is the site of the $167 million facility. Of the total 83,000-square-foot building, 12,362 square feet will be devoted to biosafety level 4 (BSL-4) research.
BSL-4 space is secure for work with "dangerous and exotic agents that pose a high individual risk of aerosol-transmitted laboratory infections and life-threatening disease," according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). Among BSL-4 safeguards are special air seals and air ducts to and from the lab, individual air supplies for researchers, required personal protection suits for workers, and numerous levels of security for entry. Such labs study diseases including anthrax, Ebola, SARS, and others."
Also at the UTMB website:
"The Keiller Building did experience some flooding in the basement but the rest of the facility is fine. There has been no loss of biocontainment or biosecurity. All labs were decontaminated and secured prior to the arrival of the storm. All agents have been stored in proper containers. The Shope Lab within the Keiller Building also remains secure."
Mayor Thomas was observed crying over the situation, and was so overcome with emotion that she could not speak further at a news conference. City employees have been banned from not only answering questions, but from even "conversing" with the media.
In another unusual move, presiding Judge James Yarbrough has authorized the forceful removal of lawful property owners and survivors. To quote the order:
...Now Therefore, it is hereby ORDERED by the County Judge of Galveston County, Texas, that:
all survivors located on Bolivar Peninsula shall be and are hereby ORDERED to vacate Bolivar Peninsula; and
this Order shall take effect immediately from and after its issuance.
IT IS HEREBY ORDERED, on this, the 14th day of September, 2008.
Signed James D. Yarbrough, County Judge of Galveston County, Texas
According to Mayor Thomas of Galveston on Friday 9/12/2008, there are @57,000 permanent residents on the island. They estimated that about one-half evacuated. News reports repeatedly state that @ 2000 were rescued after landfall.
What about the remaining 26,500?
There are more questions than answers at this point. Unfortunately, no one seems to be asking any questions, and no one is risking their job volunteering any answers.
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Quoting: AQ 7 502738
Excellent article. To post a link, just copy it from your browser, using right-click, and then paste it into the text box. No special function is required.
For instance, if you wanted to post the CNN frontpage, you would just put http : // cnn . com (spaces ommitted).
Thanks for the article AQ.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 491637 9/17/2008 6:35 PM
"Authorities may never know if, or how many, people who tried to weather the storm were washed out to sea."
This is their out and has been repeated in many articles, as seen in this thread.
They will be dumping bodies at sea rather than doing the necessary work of identifying and returning them to their loved ones.
Several sources have put the death toll in New Orleans after Katrina at 20,000.
I don't know what it actually is going to be for the areas most affected by Ike - from the southwest gulf coast of Louisiana, which no one is talking about but has been totally devastated, all the way west to Surfside, Texas. But I will bet we are talking about thousands dead, and never accounted for. Washed out to sea...
I found the above article when I searched for information on the Level 4 biolab in galveston. I have highlighted parts of that article, that to me are alarming.
Amidst the tragedy arises a new concern.
We now know of a facility euphemistically called the "University of Texas Medical Branch at Galveston" (UTMB), whose website proclaims, "An academic health center dedicated to educating science professionals and researchers....solving biomedical puzzles through research...", that contains a Level-IV Bio Lab, one of only five in the United States. Level 4 is the highest bio-hazard level, and the most dangerous. Even the prestigious National Research Council criticized a federal government analysis that concluded that these labs pose no health threat to heavily populated communities, like Boston's South End and Galveston. One cannot but wonder what sort of demented individual or group would advocate such a facility anywhere near a heavily populated area, much less one on a barrier island in a flood plane and hurricane-prone region.
A Level 4 Bio-hazard Lab routinely handles agents comprising biological weapons of mass destruction. The NRC report states the U.S. government "... failed to adequately consider the dangers of working with the world's deadliest germs, including Ebola and plague, in the middle of a congested urban neighborhood." Such a facility is in an area of residential structures that suffered water seven feet deep in the first floor, not to mention the high winds and towering waves. The official response to inquiry is that only "minor" damage was sustained, but the entire complex has been taken over by the military, and no reporters have been allowed near the labs.
To put this in perspective, consider the lab announcement from the University website:
"The University of Texas Medical Branch at Galveston is the site of the $167 million facility. Of the total 83,000-square-foot building, 12,362 square feet will be devoted to biosafety level 4 (BSL-4) research.
BSL-4 space is secure for work with "dangerous and exotic agents that pose a high individual risk of aerosol-transmitted laboratory infections and life-threatening disease," according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). Among BSL-4 safeguards are special air seals and air ducts to and from the lab, individual air supplies for researchers, required personal protection suits for workers, and numerous levels of security for entry. Such labs study diseases including anthrax, Ebola, SARS, and others."
Also at the UTMB website:
"The Keiller Building did experience some flooding in the basement but the rest of the facility is fine. There has been no loss of biocontainment or biosecurity. All labs were decontaminated and secured prior to the arrival of the storm. All agents have been stored in proper containers. The Shope Lab within the Keiller Building also remains secure."
Mayor Thomas was observed crying over the situation, and was so overcome with emotion that she could not speak further at a news conference. City employees have been banned from not only answering questions, but from even "conversing" with the media.
In another unusual move, presiding Judge James Yarbrough has authorized the forceful removal of lawful property owners and survivors. ...
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Quoting: AQ 7 502738
The_Venerable User ID: 412220 (OP) 9/17/2008 6:51 PM
It is not confirmed. While I obviously support the conspiracy theory here, I will not be sensational and truth and reason still remain. The number cited does not seem accurate because nobody could count a specific number like that during a flyover, but IF true, would indicate a lot of deceased in the area, whatever the true number is.
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Reports of tragedy filtering out of Galveston and Bolivar
by: Robert Ryland
Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 03:44 PM CDT
The following is from an email sent to me by a good friend in Nacogdoches whose buddy has been over Galveston - names have been edited out to protect the folks those who relayed the report. Also relayed from this guy and others: persons going into the restricted area are apparently being patted down and cameras are being confiscated, by Army and Coast Guard personnel.
Okay...I've got some news on this front. Take it for what it's worth, but the guy I got it from is someone I trust to raise my children... He's never once lied to me...ever. And we're close.
He's in a pretty high-up supervisory position for a refinery down on the coast.
His refinery has some equipment and lines in and around Galveston county, and before they were to bring them back on line he and his crew had to inspect the place for damage and potential hazards. So they were given permission....after a background check....to helicopter in and inspect, which meant coming in over Galveston.
I kid you not when I say that he told me they saw AT LEAST 1500 bodies in trees scattered about Galveston. They also saw a lot in various ditches and marshes, esp. on the north side of East Galv. Bay, east side of Trinity Bay, and in the marshes between I-45 and Seabrook/Clear Lake/Deer Park.
It explains why they're not letting the media anywhere close to the Island except in limited sectors nd we're not hearing anything from or about the people who survived and those who stayed behind. It's like 20,000 people never
existed....where are they? Where'd they go? What are their names? Nothing....
Same thing in Orange county.
Take it for what it's worth....I believe him, though his count may be wrong given the shock of the sight. But like I said, I'd trust him to raise my kids.
I'd be more surprised if he were wrong than if he were right.
And from Rhiannon Myers of the Galveston Daily News comes this dispatch:
GALVESTON - Mayor Lyda Ann Thomas on Monday ordered all city employees not to talk to news reporters. She did not say when that order would be lifted.
Thomas and City Manager Steve LeBlanc will be the only officials allowed to talk to reporters. City spokeswoman Mary Jo Naschke vehemently denied the city was trying to clamp down on coverage.
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Reporters would be allowed on the island only if they had proper identification, Thomas said. She didn't clarify what that meant.
Reporters were also forbidden from visiting areas on the far West End, Thomas said. She did not explain why.
I'm not normally one to be alarmist and I don't want to upset people, but this has me very worried. I know some folks who stayed down there to ride it out, as does the guy who sent me the email above - he has yet to hear from one of his friends and fears the worst. His report of the damage in Nacogdoches was not pretty either, and if this storm tore apart towns that far inland it's certainly not unreasonable to think that Galveston and the Triangle have experienced unprecedented devastation.
There could be arguably sound reasons for media blackouts, and the specter of hundreds of bodies among the wreckage may be one of them. It's not always easy in situations like this to know where to draw the line between respect for the deceased and their families, and the public's right to know about what has happened."
The_Venerable User ID: 412220 (OP) 9/17/2008 6:55 PM
They've listed one of the "more news" stories twice...
[link to news.yahoo.com] IKE VICTIMS ATTEMPT TO RETURN, BUT GET TURNED AWAY
This article was posted in 'more stories," and again in "U.S. News."
The second was in 'technology'... Ike causes widest US Internet outage since 2003
It's as if nothing much is going on. No biggie. Nada.
The_Venerable User ID: 412220 (OP) 9/17/2008 7:22 PM
Here is a link to a website dedicated to gathering photos and videos from all over the net that document what is happening in the Galveston area. Both media and private photos and vids are being collected. It has some good stuff on it.
so they are not getting their expected hand out from the gov? expect more of this to come.
we really need to realize our reliance on the gov to rescue us from our own life style choices and their inherited risks (like living in an area prone to natural disasters) does not come with a hand out from uncle sam every time something happens. communities do need to band together locally and rebuild. stop calling out to the four corners of the globe for help in distress, look around in your local areas for assistance. Truth is a Stranger to Fiction
Learn to Swim
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 505411 9/17/2008 8:17 PM
I am copying the reports that we get here on glp, and e-mailing them to everyone on my list. I know that's not much, but I can't think of any other way to get the word out. However, if everyone here on glp sends these stories to 20 or 30 people ...
Just remember, every little bit helps.
Thanks AQ, you rock.
Here's a reminder of the coverup:
Quoting: The_Venerable 412220
OMFG, that damage is not just hurricane, it's unbelievable wind damage--those houses are splintered and scattered. there's no water around, just blown apart houses. what the fuck happened???? no ordinary hurricane, that's for fuckin' certain
Anonymous Coward User ID: 491637 9/17/2008 8:18 PM
so they are not getting their expected hand out from the gov? expect more of this to come.
we really need to realize our reliance on the gov to rescue us from our own life style choices and their inherited risks (like living in an area prone to natural disasters) does not come with a hand out from uncle sam every time something happens. communities do need to band together locally and rebuild. stop calling out to the four corners of the globe for help in distress, look around in your local areas for assistance.
did you have to practice for it,
or does your cluelessness come naturally ?
If you don't have anything helpful to say,
it would be nice if you STFU.
The LOCAL area is DEVESTATED,
the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT has gazillions of OUR Tax dollars,
and it is THEIR JOB to assist in a crisis of this magnitude...
or maybe you're concerned that will cut into THE BILLIONS
that Israel gets from US, ha, speaking of handouts.
put that in your pipe and smoke it,
attention whore.
so they are not getting their expected hand out from the gov? expect more of this to come.
we really need to realize our reliance on the gov to rescue us from our own life style choices and their inherited risks (like living in an area prone to natural disasters) does not come with a hand out from uncle sam every time something happens. communities do need to band together locally and rebuild. stop calling out to the four corners of the globe for help in distress, look around in your local areas for assistance.
did you have to practice for it,
or does your cluelessness come naturally ?
If you don't have anything helpful to say,
it would be nice if you STFU.
The LOCAL area is DEVESTATED,
the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT has gazillions of OUR Tax dollars,
and it is THEIR JOB to assist in a crisis of this magnitude...
or maybe you're concerned that will cut into THE BILLIONS
that Israel gets from US, ha, speaking of handouts.
put that in your pipe and smoke it,
attention whore.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 477574
I knew you wouldn't like it. Nevertheless the Government dole is broke and you will not be getting your hand out from them. That is my point. They are broke. Maybe that's why they are working so hard to play it down. So, you can't count on the Government
WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU GOING TO DO? Truth is a Stranger to Fiction
Learn to Swim
In the Instancy of Atomic Love, the Footloose are Dead
I don't believe some of you on here.....these people WERE TOLD TO LEAVE ALL COSTAL AREAS THAT WERE IN THE PATH OF THIS DANGEROUS STORM. THEY WERE ALSO TOLD IF THEY STAYED THEY WOULD FACE CERTAIN DEATH....LET ME REPEAT CERTAIN DEATH.....HOW MUCH PLAINER DOES IT HAVE TO BE FOLKS. They stayed, they died....simple as that.....they were given a chance to save themselves but they did not.......I feel sorry for their loved ones, but they did not heed the REPEATED WARNINGS......the gene pool down that way is rather slim.....kind of a you don't tell me what to do attitude when certain death is staring you in the face....not real intellgence down there....
I don't believe some of you on here.....these people WERE TOLD TO LEAVE ALL COSTAL AREAS THAT WERE IN THE PATH OF THIS DANGEROUS STORM. THEY WERE ALSO TOLD IF THEY STAYED THEY WOULD FACE CERTAIN DEATH....LET ME REPEAT CERTAIN DEATH.....HOW MUCH PLAINER DOES IT HAVE TO BE FOLKS. They stayed, they died....simple as that.....they were given a chance to save themselves but they did not.......I feel sorry for their loved ones, but they did not heed the REPEATED WARNINGS......the gene pool down that way is rather slim.....kind of a you don't tell me what to do attitude when certain death is staring you in the face....not real intellgence down there....
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 273826
You obviously haven't been paying attention. Please inform yourself next time.
Many people planned to leave Friday, a full day before the storm hit. This makes sense to a lot of people. For one, the evacuation orders weren't given until the day before, so they likely packed on Thursday and planned to leave Friday. Second, staying until Friday allowed them one less night to have to pay for a hotel room, etc.
They were told that it wouldn't get bad until Friday night. Many of them woke up Friday morning planning to leave, and guess what? It was a FREAK hurricane where the waters had risen and flooded out areas in the middle of the night, a whole 24 hours before the storm even got there. They woke up planning to leave and couldn't go anywhere, the escapes were blocked by floodwaters. That's why you had a lot of people calling for rescues during the day on Friday.
Were there knuckleheads who stayed willingly? Sure, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't have compassion. And your response completely discounts so many people who planned on leaving and got stuck by a freak occurrence. Please inform yourself next time.
As for Sara, this thread has to do with a cover-up, not whether you like someone or not. If you are advocating that the government dispose of and cover-up the death and destruction to people who are not of your ilk, then I feel sorry for you.
Also, your responses completely discount the concerns of the people who DID evacuate. They can't return to their homes, and many of them are livid right now because they are being denied information about what happened to their loved ones and their property.
The fact that media is not paying attention...means no telethons, no concerts, no fundraising, no attention like Katrina got. How are those responsible people going to re-build their community without outside help?
Your opinions also lack an informative perspective and therefore contributed nothing to this thread.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 505345 9/17/2008 9:07 PM
The OP will have to start with a LARGE list of names of
the missing. Other than that it's just more hot air going
nowhere.
Quoting: DrPostman
This is not hot air.
The federal government has restricted airspace over devastated areas to local news teams.
This is censorship.
This is a cover up. Shame on you, Sir or Madam Shill
The_Venerable User ID: 412220 (OP) 9/17/2008 9:09 PM
The OP will have to start with a LARGE list of names of
the missing. Other than that it's just more hot air going
nowhere.
This is not hot air.
The federal government has restricted airspace over devastated areas to local news teams.
This is censorship.
This is a cover up. Shame on you, Sir or Madam Shill
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 505345
Anon...thank you for your attention, and I hope you get the word out. Please refrain from attacking the mods though, as they have been nice enough to sticky our thread. I hope it stays there until the media finally gets on top of this story.
But I agree with you, this is definitely a cover-up and definitely censorship.
I wonder if Omega would be into some investigation?
Quoting: RememberThis
I don't know about that, but it's a virtual certainty he's either the subject of one or a Federal Stooge instigator.
The man has made it known repeatedly that he is a violence minded hot head eager to kill anyone who doesn't agree with or opposes his twisted politics. Just a word to the wise, be careful what you say in response to his fake raves, his intention is to incite you to say something incrimidating.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 140992 9/17/2008 9:19 PM
[link to www.click2houston.com]
in the upper right hand corner of this local website you will see a Walking Tour of the Galveston after the storm by Houston weather man and local resident of Galveston, Frank Billingsley.
I'm in Houston. We just got power back in my neighborhood a few hours ago. Things here are dicey here, but still good. 4+ days without power sucks! What a reality check. I appreciate and am thankful for the small things now, like a cool breeze.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 505415 9/17/2008 9:22 PM
[link to www.click2houston.com]
in the upper right hand corner of this local website you will see a Walking Tour of the Galveston after the storm by Houston weather man and local resident of Galveston, Frank Billingsley.
I'm in Houston. We just got power back in my neighborhood a few hours ago. Things here are dicey here, but still good. 4+ days without power sucks! What a reality check. I appreciate and am thankful for the small things now, like a cool breeze.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 140992
Glad you are safe and things are improving for you! Most of the country thinks very little happened down there.
RememberThis Zilla User ID: 501707 9/17/2008 9:23 PM
I wonder if Omega would be into some investigation?
I don't know about that, but it's a virtual certainty he's either the subject of one or a Federal Stooge instigator.
The man has made it known repeatedly that he is a violence minded hot head eager to kill anyone who doesn't agree with or opposes his twisted politics. Just a word to the wise, be careful what you say in response to his fake raves, his intention is to incite you to say something incrimidating.
Quoting: IDW 505421
Thats.....incriminating .........And I do that every day!
I bet when the fecal material hits the rotary oscillator you will wish you had a friend like Omega. My signature is whatever name is on that check.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 113248 9/17/2008 9:26 PM
UNLESS THE OP HAS A REASON WHY THE GOV. WOULD THE HIDE THE NUMBERS-DOES NOT MAKE ANY SENSE.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 505415
Financial crisis and insurance market at risk. In general terms, that is absolutely true. Someone else on here speculated that AIG had made bad investments on Ike not doing too much damage. I can't speak to that, although I wouldn't rule it out.
And either way, the risk to the financial market is there. In the short-term, a panic factor could be there. In the long term, huge $$ losses and casualties could put a squeeze on liquidity.
Of course, others would believe they just don't want to look like f'ups a la Katrina. That's what I thought at first, but I am convinced it has to do with the financial markets now.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 505425 9/17/2008 9:27 PM
To the idiots that fault people for living in the wrong "zone", saying they deserve it and the government should not help them WTF???
What about when your bank goes down and you apply for that $100,000 FDIC insurance? Same can be said for everyone with money in the bank. They were warned, guess they just deserve it. Is all your money in your mattress yet?
Oh yes, the government is forthcoming with lots and lots of money for the greedy bankers. $85 billion overnight!!! Who the hell cares about a bunch of poor useless eaters.
Gotta wait for the bake sales from the churches and the neighbors who just lost their pensions and 401Ks, or fleece other nations, like we've fleeced their banks and citizens.
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