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BREAKING: CHICAGO TRIBUNE: BEWARE - OUR SENATOR OBAMA IS A PHONEY AND A FRAUD

 
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Thanks. Now, was that so hard?


What purpose does it serve for me to try to say nice things about people that I think are destroying the county I have fought and shed blood for?

Couldn't just let it be, could ya?



nope...

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lol
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Op-Ed from Obama's from the largest paper in Illinois.
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Obama Sidesteps Reform in Illinois
By Dennis Byrne

For those of you who still cling to the fantasy that Barack Obama is "about change," you should note how he, or his minions, want nothing to do with reforming politics in Illinois, perhaps the most corrupt state in the Union.

"Throughout his political career, Barack Obama has fought for open and honest government," proclaims his campaign Web site. Apparently, no longer. When the Democratic presidential candidate--now his party's industrial-strength voice for our deliverance from political corruption everywhere--was asked by a reformer if he would help get his political mentor back home to get off the dime and move the most minimal of state ethics legislation toward passage, the Obama campaign sent word back that amounted to a "no."

State Sen. Emil Jones (D-Chicago) is the Chicago machine politician who might have been most instrumental in jump-starting Obama's political career. Now, as Illinois Senate president, Jones is the one sitting on the reform legislation, refusing to call it for an expected favorable vote before it officially dies of neglect.

Jones is the pal of Gov. Rod Blagojevich, no friend of reform, who used his amendatory veto power to change the legislation after it passed both houses so that Jones would get another chance to kill it.

If all that's confusing, welcome to Illinois politics, where intricacy is the best camouflage for chicanery. Suffice to say, neither Blagojevich nor Jones is working for reform.

So, along comes Cindi Canary, director of the Illinois Campaign for Political Reform, thinking that now might be a good time for Obama to parlay his friendship with Jones to do a good deed: Won't you intervene with Jones and try to get him to call the Senate back into session to get this law passed? "[T]his is a place [Obama] could come in and quickly clean up some of the damage and serve his state," she told the Chicago Sun-Times. After all, her group and Obama worked together during those halcyon days when he actually supported reform in Illinois, so maybe he'll be receptive to a plea to intervene on behalf of Illinois folks who have been getting gouged for years by the likes of Jones. "A 30-second phone call to the Illinois Senate president could yield huge dividends to this state," she said.

In response, Obama's campaign issued an oozy statement reaffirming Obama's alleged commitment to reform, while getting no more specific than urging everyone to get together and love one another right now. What Canary was asking Obama for wasn't all that much. Maybe a 30-second phone call to back up his usual pap of, "Look, ah, I've, ah, always been for, ah, reform." For most people, the reform that we're talking about is so basic that they might ask, "You mean it's not illegal already?"

The legislation would make illegal the widespread abuse called pay-to-play politics, by which companies doing business with the state contribute to the state official in charge of ladling out contracts. The new law wouldn't let you do it if you have more than $50,000 in state contracts, which, even at that, leaves open a nice loophole. In Illinois, this is a huge leap forward from how things are done. Blagojevich, who has reaped bundles of cash from state contractors, could be one of the pols most jolted by the prohibition. That explains why he rewrote the legislation in a way that would make it ineffective and why the House overwhelmingly rejected his changes.

Jones now is the only one standing in the way of the reform, with Obama abetting.

Here's another example of how Obama has revealed himself to be a creature of the Chicago machine. Who can forget his silence when he could have affirmed his reformer credentials by endorsing Democrat Forrest Claypool over machine creature Todd Stroger as Cook County Board president? When things got too hot, Obama severed his ties from his racially inflammatory pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr. That's not too hard; you can always find another pastor.

But betraying your political godfather(s) in Chicago and Illinois is an entirely different matter. Especially if you lose the presidential election and return to being just another senator from Illinois. Cutting his ties with the corrupt Chicago machine is one bridge you will not see Obama burn. Not now, not ever.

Agent of change, my foot.

[link to www.realclearpolitics.com]


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 Quoting: PACNWguy


Both candidates/Obama and McCain are FRAUDS!!! But it seems the people STUCK on their FALSE left/right political group think do not have the intelligence or moral character to figure that simple question out!

PACWAY, the simple truth is that BOTH democracts and so-called republicans are BOTH equally guilty of FUCKING America up to the point of no return!!!

PACWAY, You just like your left-wing counter parts are whats really wrong with America because you and your left-wing counter parts undying belief that your particular political party leadership are guiltless!!!!

So in ending PACWAY, the fact is you're just another FAKE patriot, waving your plastic american flag made in COMMUNIST China acting as if you support what is right although you're soooo blinded by your politics you can't see what is Right & Wrong in the world.
Pretty much you have FAKE moral beliefs also just like your left-wing counter parts!!!!



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"If Obama was not an American citizen, don't you think Republicans would have already played that card and ended this race?"

>>Can you say October surprise?

I can.
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I have hailed Sam Nunn as one of the greatest of all Democrats and said that he would have already won the election had he been the nominee in 2004.

There are some really good democrats. However if you go back five years you will see my posts explaining how the Dems have been hijacked by the far left moveon.org and ANSWER wackos which have all but killed the party.

They are pure socialists and Marxist from every respect.

They do not represent the majority of Democrats., Sam Nunn does.

That is why Obama wont win. He is a far left liberal who does not represent the majority of Americans. Only the fringe groups of the left and the MSM who want to see a black man in the white house.
 Quoting: PACNWguy

I agree, but I also think the Republican Party has been hijacked by the Extreme Christian Right.

I read an email from a friend yesterday who was trying to suggest that the Democrats aren't our friend because they are so "controlling" - I am not a Democrat, but couldn't help laughing about the irony of that statement...The Republicans seem quite a bit 'controlling' to me, lol!

And last but not least, your comment "the MSM who want to see a black man in the white house." - I agree that might be true, but strange how McCain supporters are all over the map on this one...I've had two separate debates with close friends in the last 24 hours - both of whom are die hard neo-cons - who were trying to convince me that Obama ISN'T black and should never be referred to as a 'black' man.
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That your best shot? Just another piece of bile-spewing? I thought you might have some REAL evidence that Obama is a fraud. Like telling us whether the notice hanging on a wall inside the hospital in Nairobi really DOES say that Obama was born there.

But no. Just your usual, vacuous polemics.



Not me, the largest newspaper in Obama's home state.
 Quoting: PACNWguy


It's an op-ed, from an obvious right-winged fanatic.

There are FAR more anti-McCain op-eds floating around, but those are just opinions, not facts......right?
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Both candidates/Obama and McCain are FRAUDS!!! But it seems the people STUCK on their FALSE left/right political group think do not have the intelligence or moral character to figure that simple question out!

PACWAY, the simple truth is that BOTH democracts and so-called republicans are BOTH equally guilty of FUCKING America up to the point of no return!!!

PACWAY, You just like your left-wing counter parts are whats really wrong with America because you and your left-wing counter parts undying belief that your particular political party leadership are guiltless!!!!

So in ending PACWAY, the fact is you're just another FAKE patriot, waving your plastic american flag made in COMMUNIST China acting as if you support what is right although you're soooo blinded by your politics you can't see what is Right & Wrong in the world.
Pretty much you have FAKE moral beliefs also just like your left-wing counter parts!!!!


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I will accept any rules that you feel necessary to your freedom. I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do. ~ Robert Heinlein
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The biggest thing I hate about politics today is that if you say something critical about a Democrat, everyone automatically assumes you are a dyed in the wool Republican Bush supporter!

Where did that come from? It's so idiotic!

It's like Catholic vs. Protestant, only much much more fervent and zealous. All this leaping to conclusions, it's so childish and emotional.

The Democrats I talk to all sound like they only care about personality, they talk about Bush and McCain saying the just don't like them, as people, "I can't stand that man".

Policies don't enter into it except to get hysterical about the war, and to accuse you of not wanting poor people to be able to go to the doctor.

None of it makes any sense, plus it's a boring way to have a conversation and no fun at all. Just attack, attack, and assume.

I voted the straight Democratic ticket my whole life and only questioned it when I voted for Al Gore (?!?!) and felt like an idiot doing so, then I couldn't bring myself to vote for John Kerry, just could not do it, he made me so sick, so I voted third party, which apparently is some kind of SIN, but I did it anyway, and I will this time too. I was a big Ron Paul fan. I will vote third party again, and MYSTIFY the frothing at the mouth Democrats I know.

I cannot believe the 2 parties could not come up with better candidates than these two. It's just awful. I can't wait til it's over.
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I agree, but I also think the Republican Party has been hijacked by the Extreme Christian Right.

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Be serious. If that was true, Pat Robertson would have done better.

Name someone in the Bush Administration that is part of the extreme Christian right?

Huckabee would be the nominee instead of McCain.
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I agree, but I also think the Republican Party has been hijacked by the Extreme Christian Right.




Be serious. If that was true, Pat Robertson would have done better.

Name someone in the Bush Administration that is part of the extreme Christian right?

Huckabee would be the nominee instead of McCain.
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Stop with the logic and facts PAC it upsets the bots.
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The OP, a known zionist sympathizer, is Projecting, again!
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The OP, a known zionist sympathizer, is Projecting, again!
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zionist sympathizer?

rofl
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PACNWGUY: You're a frickin' moron.
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And the Chicago Tribune is owned by whom?

[link to www.ketupa.net]
and their affiliate media outlets are......

The Tribune corporate site is [link to www.tribune.com]

The group centers on the Chicago Tribune, given a kick-start by funds from Cyrus McCormick - the robber baron who built International Harvester. His family - devoutly right wing (and notoriously isolationist in the 1930s and 40's) - ran the company until late last century.

It reportedly received soundings from Eli Broad and David Geffen and from the Chandler family. Private equity giant Carlyle Group made an offer to buy Tribune's tv stations for US$4 billion but talks between Tribune and Carlyle stalled when they could not agree on price. Zell topped a bid by Broad and Ronald Burkle.

Zell indicated that he would contribute US$315 million towards the takeover, centred on an employee stock ownership plan (ESOP) that is largely funded by debt. Private equity group Blackstone had paid US$36 billion for Zell-controlled Equity Office property group earlier in 2007.

gosh

this was tough to figure out, you tool!
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So all the liberal media is honest in there bashing of palin/mccain? So we cant listen to any media not one thing because its all lies?
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That your best shot? Just another piece of bile-spewing? I thought you might have some REAL evidence that Obama is a fraud. Like telling us whether the notice hanging on a wall inside the hospital in Nairobi really DOES say that Obama was born there.

But no. Just your usual, vacuous polemics.



Not me, the largest newspaper in Obama's home state.
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chorus
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I cannot believe the 2 parties could not come up with better candidates than these two. It's just awful. I can't wait til it's over.
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All in All,,Im pretty happy with these two.

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STOP SPAMMING THIS SITE!
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STOP SPAMMING THIS SITE!
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stay off my threads
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Thanks. Now, was that so hard?


What purpose does it serve for me to try to say nice things about people that I think are destroying the county I have fought and shed blood for?
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Get off the cross, someone else needs the wood

You think you're only person who fought and shed blood for this country? You think because you got a paper cut or a splinter, (probably stateside)thus "shedding blood for our country" you have some higher moral ground than anyone else who served and was legitimately wounded?

You think you're empowered to speak for ALL of us?

Sorry, bucko, not the case.
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Be serious. If that was true, Pat Robertson would have done better.

Name someone in the Bush Administration that is part of the extreme Christian right?

Huckabee would be the nominee instead of McCain.
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Oh my gosh. What the heck is Palin?!!! I was leaning toward McCain until he picked her. Now I don't feel like I can vote for him because of her - and mainly because of her extreme Christian Right ideologies, which worry me.

Can't vote for Obama either, so.....Blah.

ETA - That's not correct. I couldn't have voted for McCain based on the Iraq issue - lost my mind there for a moment (shows how frustrated I am!). But I do think he offers a more central approach on many other issues, which is appealing. But his choice of Palin pushed that centrist appeal back over to the far right.
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I cannot believe the 2 parties could not come up with better candidates than these two. It's just awful. I can't wait til it's over.
 Quoting: mercury2

There are so many of us that feel that way - this was a topic this past weekend at a get-together my husband and I attended. The main thing everyone was commenting on was....How are these the best that this country can offer?!!
I will accept any rules that you feel necessary to your freedom. I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do. ~ Robert Heinlein
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Stop with the logic and facts PAC it upsets the bots.
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You know, sometimes people on this forum actually engage in somewhat intelligent debate - so try not to paint with such a large brush....you know?
I will accept any rules that you feel necessary to your freedom. I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do. ~ Robert Heinlein
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great vid , thanks
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For Palin, this was called fighting the good ol' boys.

Can't have it both ways PAC.
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On Monday morning, as Wall Street was absorbing one of the biggest shocks to the financial system in generations, Senator John McCain said he believed the fundamentals of the U.S. economy were "strong."

Hours later he backpedaled, explaining that he meant that American workers, the backbone of the economy, were productive and resilient. By Tuesday he was calling the economic situation "a total crisis" and decrying "greed" in Wall Street and Washington.

[link to www.iht.com]

flip flop flip flop
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Not me, the largest newspaper in Obama's home state.
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Op-Ed from Obama's from the largest paper in Illinois.
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Obama Sidesteps Reform in Illinois
By Dennis Byrne

Dennis Byrne
Dennis Byrne is a Chicago newspaper columnist and freelance writer. He can be reached at dennis@dennisbyrne.net. To post a comment about his writing go to [link to dennisbyrne.blogspot.com.]

[link to www.humanevents.com]

LMAO, might as well post a commentary by a tool like Hannity.
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FudgePac-N-Wacked, your tactics are getting old and lame. Certainly they pay you to come up with better propoganda than this tripe. Sigh. The quality of the shills is getting more and more poor.
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All in All,,Im pretty happy with these two.
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You'd probably be happy with a boil on your ass!
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