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There's No Arguing With Conservatives ... No, Seriously, Scientific Studies Prove It
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markusmaximus 
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9/17/2008 3:04 PM
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There's No Arguing With Conservatives ... No, Seriously, Scientific Studies Prove It
[link to www.huffingtonpost.com]
A new study out of Yale University confirms what argumentative liberals have long-known: Offering reality-based rebuttals to conservative lies only makes conservatives cling to those lies even harder. In essence, schooling conservatives makes them more stupid. From the Washington Post article on the study, which came out yesterday:
Political scientists Brendan Nyhan and Jason Reifler provided two groups of volunteers with the Bush administration's prewar claims that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. One group was given a refutation -- the comprehensive 2004 Duelfer report that concluded that Iraq did not have weapons of mass destruction before the United States invaded in 2003. Thirty-four percent of conservatives told only about the Bush administration's claims thought Iraq had hidden or destroyed its weapons before the U.S. invasion, but 64 percent of conservatives who heard both claim and refutation thought that Iraq really did have the weapons. The refutation, in other words, made the misinformation worse.
A similar "backfire effect" also influenced conservatives told about Bush administration assertions that tax cuts increase federal revenue. One group was offered a refutation by prominent economists that included current and former Bush administration officials. About 35 percent of conservatives told about the Bush claim believed it; 67 percent of those provided with both assertion and refutation believed that tax cuts increase revenue.
In a paper approaching publication, Nyhan, a PhD student at Duke University, and Reifler, at Georgia State University, suggest that Republicans might be especially prone to the backfire effect because conservatives may have more rigid views than liberals: Upon hearing a refutation, conservatives might "argue back" against the refutation in their minds, thereby strengthening their belief in the misinformation. Nyhan and Reifler did not see the same "backfire effect" when liberals were given misinformation and a refutation about the Bush administration's stance on stem cell research.
If you've ever gotten in an argument with your conservative friends (assuming you haven't offered each other a mutual Carville-Matalin-style political ceasefire to preserve the friendship), you've probably seen this "backfire effect" in action. The more you try to tell people that Sarah Palin is lying when she says she was against the Bridge to Nowhere, the more they believe she was telling the truth. The more you try to explain how similar McCain's policies are to Bush's, the more they maintain he's "the original maverick."
The typical mantra of the left is that we don't need to sink to the Republicans' level because we have the truth on our side. But if the other side is utterly immune to the truth -- and indeed, the truth only makes them dig deeper into their fantasy world in which the economy is fundamentally strong and the War in Iraq is a staggering success -- what's a leftie to do?
I ain't got the answers, ace, except to say this: When arguing with conservatives in front of on-the-fence independents, remember that you're not trying to convince the conservative to actually buy into silly notions like facts and reason. You're highlighting the differences between left and right for the outside observer. If the other guy insists on political views that belong only in Disney World's Fantasyland, other folks will realize what's happening.
But if there is no third party, do yourself a favor and save your breath. As the study demonstrates, you're only making matters worse. Consider that aforementioned ceasefire. It is football season, after all. There's plenty of other things to argue about. Go Mizzou!
What? You think you're the only person that gets sick when he doesn't get his jellybeans? |
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Anonymous Coward
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9/17/2008 3:08 PM | | Re: There's No Arguing With Conservatives ... No, Seriously, Scientific Studies Prove It | Quote |
WOW. |
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Anonymous Coward
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9/17/2008 3:12 PM | | Re: There's No Arguing With Conservatives ... No, Seriously, Scientific Studies Prove It | Quote |
I knew this, but it's great to have an actual study done.
Mind-boggling as it is! |
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Evil Twin 
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9/17/2008 3:15 PM
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"Progressives" still haven't figured out that insulting conservatives won't sway their votes.
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I am the highway |
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Mr. Predictor
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9/17/2008 3:16 PM
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no it isn't
:addresfdf:
The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is MOD when I lay my vengeance upon thee. |
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Okie
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9/17/2008 3:17 PM | | Re: There's No Arguing With Conservatives ... No, Seriously, Scientific Studies Prove It | Quote |
Go Mizzou!
At least until the Big XII Championship, then it's Tiger Dooooom!!!
Some vision of the end, bathed in Crimson, and the letters O U
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Anonymous Coward
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9/17/2008 3:19 PM | | Re: There's No Arguing With Conservatives ... No, Seriously, Scientific Studies Prove It | Quote |
conservatives are motivated by faith, not reason. |
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Sinanju
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9/17/2008 3:20 PM | | Re: There's No Arguing With Conservatives ... No, Seriously, Scientific Studies Prove It | Quote |
conservatives are motivated by faith, not reason. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 503945
>>I am faithless and a conservative. |
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Evil Twin
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9/17/2008 3:23 PM
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conservatives are motivated by faith, not reason.
>>I am faithless and a conservative. Quoting: Sinanju 505072
As am I. I only have faith in myself.
This is my helmet. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
I am not your rolling wheels
I am the highway |
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Mr. Predictor
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9/17/2008 3:23 PM
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The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is MOD when I lay my vengeance upon thee. |
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rsharpe03
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9/17/2008 3:35 PM
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conservatives are motivated by faith, not reason. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 503945
If you aren't a conservative..then how would you know what motives me....I am conservative...as in...conservative in my government....belief in the constitution and my inalienable rights....you know the rights we have as human beings...not rights given to us by the damn government or taken away I guess you could say....notice I said conservative...not republican or democrat..."motivated by faith" well I guess thats better than motivated by "hope" as some religious folks might say...you know the folks that stand in front of so called greek temples to during the dnc...
"In the 60's, people took acid to make the world weird. Now the world is weird and people take Prozac to make it normal."
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Anonymous Coward
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9/17/2008 3:39 PM | | Re: There's No Arguing With Conservatives ... No, Seriously, Scientific Studies Prove It | Quote |
So this explains why FudgePackrGuy is so retarded!
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Grizzled Old Goat
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9/17/2008 3:41 PM
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conservatives are motivated by faith, not reason.
>>I am faithless and a conservative.
As am I. I only have faith in myself. Quoting: Evil Twin
Same here.
Liberals just dont get conservatives at all - each scream of senseless invective just proves to me that liberals feel that they are the only ones "enlightened" enough to govern. Every time a conservative disagrees with a liberal it's because of conservative "ignorance". When they can't win an argument it begets a stream of insults - etc, etc, etc..
I've noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born.
Ronald Reagan |
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Anonymous Coward
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9/17/2008 3:46 PM | | Re: There's No Arguing With Conservatives ... No, Seriously, Scientific Studies Prove It | Quote |
I've just recently discovered the KRYPTONITE for any conservative republican who considers himself a Christian...
I simply retort that JESUS IS THE ULTIMATE LIBERAL!
...and magically, they all seem to shut up. It forces some type of short circuit in their thinking processes.
...So, the next time anyone is enguaged in a heated discussion with a greedy, self-serving, conservative (if they are a neo-con it's even better)...just remind them that Jesus would not build a fence to keep immigrants out (or what ever the topic is).
Try it! It's fun! And above all YOU win the argument!
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Sinanju
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9/17/2008 3:47 PM | | Re: There's No Arguing With Conservatives ... No, Seriously, Scientific Studies Prove It | Quote |
"Try it! It's fun! And above all YOU win the argument!"
>>Try that tactic with me. Please. |
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rsharpe03
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9/17/2008 3:54 PM
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"Try it! It's fun! And above all YOU win the argument!"
>>Try that tactic with me. Please. Quoting: Sinanju 505072
LOL I agree...and Jesus would feel how on abortion
"In the 60's, people took acid to make the world weird. Now the world is weird and people take Prozac to make it normal."
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Archie Bunker
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9/17/2008 3:54 PM | | Re: There's No Arguing With Conservatives ... No, Seriously, Scientific Studies Prove It | Quote |
PACNWguy and SHR are always right and this study is bullshit! |
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Anonymous Coward
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9/17/2008 3:54 PM | | Re: There's No Arguing With Conservatives ... No, Seriously, Scientific Studies Prove It | Quote |
conservatives are motivated by faith, not reason.
If you aren't a conservative..then how would you know what motives me....I am conservative...as in...conservative in my government....belief in the constitution and my inalienable rights....you know the rights we have as human beings...not rights given to us by the damn government or taken away I guess you could say....notice I said conservative...not republican or democrat..."motivated by faith" well I guess thats better than motivated by "hope" as some religious folks might say...you know the folks that stand in front of so called greek temples to during the dnc... Quoting: rsharpe03
Sounds like you are a 'traditional conservative' from the Berry Goldwater era of thinking. The problem today is that most conservatives do not realize that in the late 80's/early 90's that the Republican party got hijacked by neo-conservative religious right-wingers. Thus, the Republican party no longer represents traditional conservatives and therefore you have a "Republican" party that has jacked the National deficit up to $9.7 Trillion dollars.
As a result, the Republican party no longer believes in limited government-they only talk about it; they no longer believe in the constitution-they create false wars to trounce on people's rights; they no longer act in a capacity to do what is best for the PEOPLE of this nation-they promote the interests of big business and corporations.
I understand traditional conservatives...I was one, once, until I saw through the thinly veiled disguise of those trying to suck the life out of this great nation and it's wonderful people to hand it over to a limited number of greedy, evil, power hungry, over-lords!
I respect traditional conservatives, but have complete and utter disdain for neo-conns. They can rot in Hell! |
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Mercurius
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9/17/2008 3:55 PM | | Re: There's No Arguing With Conservatives ... No, Seriously, Scientific Studies Prove It | Quote |
Conservatives might be a too broad definition, but when it comes to conservative christians it sure might be the case...lol
I remember a conversation i had with an evangelical colleague in the past.
I asked her if she really thought the world was only 4000 or 6000 years old?
She answered: yes
Then i asked: why do you think that?
Her reaction: it just is, thats what i learned.
I will never forget the numb, empty look on her face when she said that.
It telled me that some people probably have the tendency to act like some robot, just because that gives them the 'benefit' of belonging to some group, and to feel kinda 'safe'.
It seems like when certain people reach that kind of point, arguing isnt possible any more, even in a more indirect, playfull way (making a ticklish joke, suddenly confronting themselves with the absurdities in some of their views).
It turns into: your word against their word, at least in their opinion...
It seems like they can't or aren't willing to grasp the joy and intelligence of an open discussion.
In the end its rather depressing. Those people might think they are doing the 'good things' and 'living with god' when in essence their whole behaviour and attitude is restrained, dogmatic and non-communicative.
They might be 'nice' to you when youre automatically agreeing with them, but ultimately those people make me think: gee, fuck off, get a life.. you bore me to dead. |
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Anonymous Coward
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9/17/2008 3:58 PM | | Re: There's No Arguing With Conservatives ... No, Seriously, Scientific Studies Prove It | Quote |
"Try it! It's fun! And above all YOU win the argument!"
>>Try that tactic with me. Please.
LOL I agree...and Jesus would feel how on abortion Quoting: rsharpe03
Jesus tought that life does not end and that death is an illusion...thus he was "resurrected after three days..."
The abortion debate is simply put forward by little minded people who need to exert their power over others by limiting their choice.
Why is it that people can rant and scream and jump up and down over abortion and then support wars? ...the result: A total walking contradition of self! |
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Anonymous Coward
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9/17/2008 4:07 PM | | Re: There's No Arguing With Conservatives ... No, Seriously, Scientific Studies Prove It | Quote |
"Try it! It's fun! And above all YOU win the argument!"
>>Try that tactic with me. Please.
LOL I agree...and Jesus would feel how on abortion Quoting: rsharpe03
And BTW, there is no judgement day with some dude in a white robe judging you and permitting you on the "up escalator" or down "elevator" (HEAVEN OR HELL).... it doesn't exist!
You will go thorough a process of review and based on you journey your next task will be give.
Don't read too hard into a 2000 year old allegory that was written by men who thought to enslave you by thought! (AND RE-WRITTEN BY MEN ALONG THE WAY WHO NEEDED TO ADAPT THE FABEL TO THEIR OWN NEEDS....IE KING JAMES' EDITION).
You can if you wish, but to that I only say....SUCKER! |
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Anonymous Coward
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9/17/2008 4:10 PM | | Re: There's No Arguing With Conservatives ... No, Seriously, Scientific Studies Prove It | Quote |
conservatives are motivated by faith, not reason.
>>I am faithless and a conservative.
As am I. I only have faith in myself.
Same here.
Liberals just dont get conservatives at all - each scream of senseless invective just proves to me that liberals feel that they are the only ones "enlightened" enough to govern. Every time a conservative disagrees with a liberal it's because of conservative "ignorance". When they can't win an argument it begets a stream of insults - etc, etc, etc.. Quoting: Grizzled Old Goat
It's as simple as this: Liberals feel the need to help others; Conservatives feel the need to horde for themselves and tell others to get their act together. One is Service to Other, the other is Service to Self. There are plenty to ride the fence and only think of others when it is convenient.
Of course it is close to impossible to understand the other side. They are diametrically opposed to one another! |
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Anonymous Coward
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9/17/2008 4:11 PM | | Re: There's No Arguing With Conservatives ... No, Seriously, Scientific Studies Prove It | Quote |
I've just recently discovered the KRYPTONITE for any conservative republican who considers himself a Christian...
I simply retort that JESUS IS THE ULTIMATE LIBERAL! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 332451
There is a good book called "Jesus is not a Republican". It was interesting. Changed my views on a couple things, not so much on others but it definitely exposed the blind hypocrisy that religious folks have in being part of the Republican party for what they think are religious reasons. |
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Grizzled Old Goat
Get off my land..
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9/17/2008 7:10 PM
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conservatives are motivated by faith, not reason.
>>I am faithless and a conservative.
As am I. I only have faith in myself.
Same here.
Liberals just dont get conservatives at all - each scream of senseless invective just proves to me that liberals feel that they are the only ones "enlightened" enough to govern. Every time a conservative disagrees with a liberal it's because of conservative "ignorance". When they can't win an argument it begets a stream of insults - etc, etc, etc..
It's as simple as this: Liberals feel the need to help others; Conservatives feel the need to horde for themselves and tell others to get their act together. One is Service to Other, the other is Service to Self. There are plenty to ride the fence and only think of others when it is convenient.
Of course it is close to impossible to understand the other side. They are diametrically opposed to one another! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 332451
Oh, puhleeeeeze! Do you really think liberals have a monopoly on compassion? Typically, liberals like to "help others" by having them become more and more reliant on government. This has been the main factor behind the rise of big government over the past 50-60 years, and big welfare and the ghettos it helped create. Your notion of conservatives as "hoarders" is preposterous - you liberals simply want your hands on our money through high taxes because you don't feel we are capable of spending our money in ways that you would approve of..
And of course, liberals go MAD when they are not in control of everything. Just look at the rabid snarling over Sarah Palin - it's simply due to the fact that your saviour won't be elected now - no coherent or relevant arguments - just ridiculous attacks that are driving women into the arms of the Republicans..
I've noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born.
Ronald Reagan |
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The Professor
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9/17/2008 7:12 PM | | Re: There's No Arguing With Conservatives ... No, Seriously, Scientific Studies Prove It | Quote |
You say that the Yale study shows that "Offering reality-based rebuttals to conservative lies only makes conservatives cling to those lies even harder." As they politely say on GLP, WTF????
How could anyone possibly know that, considering the fact that liberals never offer reality-based rebuttals to conservative positions, and we conservatives never argue among ourselves because we‘re always right!!
Note to those untrained in logic: The authors of this Yale study are obviously biased because they speak of conservative “lies” rather than conservative “positions.”
One question: Is there even one single person out there who believes that liberals do not lie and defend their positions at all costs, the same way that conservatives do?
Personally, I have found that no one defends their own viewpoints more strongly than politicians and religious fundamentalist. There is simply no amount of information, however credible, that will cause them to withdraw from their entrenched positions. This applies to both conservatives and liberals, Christians (all varieties) and Muslims.
That's just my own humble conservative opinion, and I'm sticking to it no matter what you say!!!! |
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Anonymous Coward
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9/26/2008 7:32 AM | | Re: There's No Arguing With Conservatives ... No, Seriously, Scientific Studies Prove It | Quote |
Great |
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Anonymous Coward
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9/26/2008 7:39 AM | | Re: There's No Arguing With Conservatives ... No, Seriously, Scientific Studies Prove It | Quote |
And of course, liberals go MAD when they are not in control of everything. Just look at the rabid snarling over Sarah Palin - it's simply due to the fact that your saviour won't be elected now - no coherent or relevant arguments - just ridiculous attacks that are driving women into the arms of the Republicans..
Hrhr.
See ?!
That´s what the study says..... |
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Anonymous Coward
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9/26/2008 8:04 AM | | Re: There's No Arguing With Conservatives ... No, Seriously, Scientific Studies Prove It | Quote |
And if OP had actually done a little research, or hell, even used common sense, he would have mentioned this effect obviously goes both ways.
[link to arstechnica.com]
"For example, a study by John Bullock of Yale showed volunteers a political ad created by NARAL that linked Justice John Roberts to a violent anti-abortion group, followed by news that the ad had been withdrawn. Interestingly, Democratic participants had a worse opinion of Roberts after being shown the ad, even after they were told it was false.
Over half (56 percent) of Democratic subjects disapproved of Roberts before the misinformation. That rose to 80 percent afterward, but even after correcting the misinformation, 72 percent of Democratic subjects still had a negative opinion." |
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KindaGamey
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9/26/2008 8:18 AM
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Read the article then look at the republican responses here on this thread.
I mean, could we get a better real-world example?
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Anonymous Coward
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9/26/2008 8:19 AM | | Re: There's No Arguing With Conservatives ... No, Seriously, Scientific Studies Prove It | Quote |
a 'study' with rpeconceived notions is not a study |
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Just a messenger
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9/26/2008 8:23 AM | | Re: There's No Arguing With Conservatives ... No, Seriously, Scientific Studies Prove It | Quote |
Conservatives think I am a criminal for USING MY FREE CHOICE AND SMOKING POT
Conservatives printed "In God We Trust" on MY MONEY
Conservatives DONT WANT TO GIVE ME A CHOICE IN DYING BY MY OWN HAND WITH EUTHANASIA AND WANT THE GOVERNMENT TO TELL ME WHAT I CAN AND CANT DO WITH MY OWN BODY
Conservatives SAY I CANT HEAR "SHIT" ON THE RADIO
CONSERVATIVES CAN GOT TO HELL, UNAMERICAN, ANTI-FREEDOM CUNTS |
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